So this is terrorism but they refuse to give terrorism charges to local militias?
Well, I guess that settles it
Submitted 5 months ago by MacNCheezus@lemmy.today to [deleted]
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lepinkainen@lemmy.world 5 months ago
JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 5 months ago
They also don’t charge people who blow up abortion clinics with terrorism either. They haven’t since the 60s - 70s.
If you look it up the courts have been petitioned several times to associate abortion clinic bombings with Christian terrorism but they keep refusing to call it what it is.
After reading about that fiasco I have very little faith our government actually has a working definition of terrorism that doesn’t shift at their convenience.
mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
Hardly shocking that the christofascist courts of America refuse to classify abortion clinic bombings as domestic terrorism.
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 5 months ago
Local militias are perfectly acceptable as per the second amendment, as long as they’re “well regulated”, whatever that means…
realitista@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Hence the joke
UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Whatever helps the ruling class protect their money
eran_morad@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The dead guy was the terrorist.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 5 months ago
But he was white…?
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 5 months ago
fine “Domestic” terrorist
T00l_shed@lemmy.world 5 months ago
So he was a “lone wolf” then
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
So was Timothy McVeigh.
python@programming.dev 5 months ago
Was he actually Italian though? As in, speaking Italian, having an Italian passport etc.? Y’all Americans have weird definitions of nationality, just having a foreign sounding last name isn’t really enough…
Enoblk@lemmy.world 5 months ago
When someone from America says they Italian or whatever they aren’t talking about nationality, it’s about ancestry, where your family came from not what county you were born in
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 months ago
No no no no…it’s about what kind of food your mom cooked when you were a kid.
Which makes me…uhhhhhh…clown? I don’t know. She bought a lot of McDonalds.
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 5 months ago
Dude’s name is Luigi FFS and his last name sounds like a pizza restaurant. That settles it for me, thank you very much.
python@programming.dev 5 months ago
You joke, but that kind of prejudice is pretty hurtful in day to day life
bdonvr@thelemmy.club 5 months ago
According to Italian law if you have Italian ancestry, you’re Italian. There’s a whole process (with many asterisks and exceptions) in which you can apply to get your Italian passport
medgremlin@midwest.social 5 months ago
My great grandfather was an Italian immigrant. My father is looking into getting an Italian passport. Maybe being a soon-to-be physician will improve my chances of getting one too. (Maybe I’ll switch from learning French to learning Italian too)
int_not_found@feddit.org 5 months ago
The word you are looking for is enthnicity. Enthnicity describes the (self-)perceived belonging to a population group. This is of course highly subjective.
There is undeniably perception of grouping in the US based on heritage, where it doesn’t really matter when your ancestors arrived, just from where. So from an American POV it makes sense to call him Italian, because he is in the same perceived group as all the people from Italy.
On the other hand from a European POV it doesn’t really matter, where your great grandparents come from. You are part of the US-Group, so you are American.
This is not an exclusive US Problem, but a general migration problem & it happens everywhere. Comments like yours are the reason, why people from migrated families feel like they are in-between cultures. Instead of writing snarky comments on the internet, just accept that your perception of ethnicity is part of your ethnicity and other people can have other perceptions.
MutilationWave@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Ever heard a white American try to have the tired-ass what’s your ancestry conversation with a black American descended from slaves? It’s pretty awkward. I hate these conversations and they need to stop.
I get it all the time because my last name is pretty distinctively German, even though it’s been anglicized.
sirico@feddit.uk 5 months ago
White Africans and Black Germans must have a great old time over there
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 5 months ago
White Africans
Charlize Theron is doing fantastic!
_LordMcNuggets_@feddit.org 5 months ago
More of a
visits Italy for the first time over summer continues to tell every living soul that their father’s father’s neighbour’s goldfish, was italian to everyone … scenario
DankOfAmerica@reddthat.com 5 months ago
TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 5 months ago
“I learned it from watching you, ok?!?!?”
CriticalMiss@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Let’s hope the jury disagrees
AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world 5 months ago
They charged him with terrorism so a regular jury won’t get to make that decision. It will be a federal grand jury of selected stooges, and maybe even a secret court.
EpeeGnome@lemm.ee 5 months ago
A federal grand jury isn’t a replacement for a regular federal trial jury. They’re completely different things. A grand jury decides if there is a strong enough case to take the charges to trial, or if they should just be dismissed. When a grand jury isn’t used, the trial judge makes that determination themselves. I agree that the terrorism charge will affect how the trial is conducted, but I don’t know enough on that topic to comment further.
secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 5 months ago
Uhuh… And the school shooters? No terrorist charges?..
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 5 months ago
I’m pretty sure it’s up to the state attorney to decide what charges to bring is all I’ll say.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Those tend to be a personal grudge, not a political statement.
HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Pretty sure you could agree he had a personal grudge as well
uis@lemm.ee 5 months ago
“Unlimited scope of people” does not require political statement.
FanBlade@lemmynsfw.com 5 months ago
Have you done actual research or are you assuming because it feels right, it must be?
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 5 months ago
Lemmy is filled with domestic terrorists!
Me included!
Don’t let the jandarma take me
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Probably some international ones too.
Baguette@lemm.ee 5 months ago
I didn’t know Miku was a textbook definition of a terrorist /s
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 5 months ago
The problem with the latter is that it only applies to the government, not private corporations.
DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 5 months ago
”We are all domestic terrorists…”
-CPAC 2022
PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
See, his mistake was not killing him during a Career Day at an elementary school. If he took out kids as well, he wouldn’t get a terrorism charge.
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 5 months ago
Dark humor is like food, not everyone gets it.
leadore@lemmy.world 5 months ago
CEO’s: Second degree murder is the highest you can charge him with? But we want to torture him and make an example of him so the proles don’t get uppity!
Cops: No problem sirs, we can make that happen.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It’s been curious to see the number of major media pundits doing the “Wonder how long his pretty little face will last in prison?” jokes while his fellow inmates are vocally supporting him
Really lets you know which side everyone is lining up on.
Dasus@lemmy.world 5 months ago
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 5 months ago
Honestly, this applies to all of us (replace pheasant and wine with whatever you can afford)
GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Eat your nuggies, drink your honey mussy…
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 5 months ago
From what the manifesto found on him allegedly said, it sounds like his actions were politically motivated. And violence in pursuit of a political goal is kinda the definition of terrorism.
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 5 months ago
George Washington used violence to advance his political agenda of a sovereign USA. Was George a terrorist?
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
Yes, why would you think he wasn’t?
imposedsensation@lemmynsfw.com 5 months ago
Yes, he was a good terrorist. He wasn’t captured by the enemy.
Luigi was pretty dumb wearing that creepy outfit at a McD. He was captured. Regardless of how you feel about him, being captured was a major failure.
HK65@sopuli.xyz 5 months ago
If he used violence against noncombatants.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were terror attacks though.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 5 months ago
4th of July is a national celebration of terrorism.
Fleur_@lemm.ee 5 months ago
No?
It’s very obviously an action made with intent to cause terror. It doesn’t have to be political or violent. There is often an aspect of violence and political motivation but it isn’t a requirement
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 5 months ago
It’s pretty much always meant violence for an ideology or cause. And the political motivation is very much what makes the difference.
Words do have definitions.
Gladaed@feddit.org 5 months ago
He likely intended to cause terror for the victims minority.
OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It’s more of an assassination in my opinion.
Donkter@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Is there any chance that the terrorism charge is so ridiculous that it actually strengthens Luigi’s case and makes his defense better?
Allonzee@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Freedom fighter
Ftfy
EfreetSK@lemmy.world 5 months ago
So “terrorism” equals “middle eastern”?
quixotic120@lemmy.world 5 months ago
uh, dunno if people have noticed but the Mediterranean is kind of goin through some shit right now. Also Italy has a pretty notable history of bombings and assassinations
But also what the other person said, dude is american. I’m so sick of my family members talking like sopranos characters because our grandparents were actual Italians. Plus they 100% definitely didn’t say gabbagool and proshoot before like 2003
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
All Americans are equals. But some are more equals than others.
Jamablaya@lemmy.today 5 months ago
I just hope there’s people around smart enough and willing to lie, when asked in jury selection interviews, that they’ve never heard of jury nullification. I doubt they ask that in those words, because people would go look it up, but I’m sure they have a roundabout way of getting to that answer.
brlemworld@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It isn’t settled though. Innocent until proven guilty.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
More Sicily than Milan
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Thanks to fucking Patriot Act. The SS and NKVD bullshit should be repealed.
Juice@midwest.social 5 months ago
Publish this everywhere to get musk dumped on day 1
feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Reasonable take.
Tgo_up@lemm.ee 5 months ago
How tf can killing a single person with a handgun be classified as terrorism?
codexarcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Because the ruling class is terrified
Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Because they don’t like him.
I mean Dylan fucking Roof shot dead 9 black people and they didn’t consider it terrorism.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Dylan Roof did get charged with hate crimes and was convicted on all 33 counts, leading to a death sentence. Stacking terrorism charges on top of that would have been pointless.
Mangione, by contrast, is getting charged in a state without capital punishment. You need the terror charge to make this a First Degree Murder case. Otherwise he’s looking at parole after 15 years.
Dasus@lemmy.world 5 months ago
“They’re making us CEO’s afraid, terrified even, so he’s clearly a terrorist. The implication that the working class could actually fight back against the systemic oppression we inflict on them? That’s horrifying. We can’t allow them to believe they could ever fight back. Make an example of this person.”
The rich assholes or something
mrslt@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Crimes against the ruling class are more harshly punished than crimes against the plebs.
AWittyUsername@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Because it’s making the CEOs and politicians Terrified.
TheFriar@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Our most sacred 21st century nobility. Guess we’ll have to cut their taxes to show our deference
GladiusB@lemmy.world 5 months ago
They used to be terrified a lot more often when history was closer to JFK, Mussolini, Lincoln, and the French Revolution. When the leaders really thought the punishment for bad leadership was their ass, they gave a shit more.
dumbass@leminal.space 5 months ago
As long as the action terrorised a large enough group of people it’s terrorism, it’s just this time, the terrorised people are the rich cunts hiding in their mansions like the traitorous cowards they are.