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Well, I guess that settles it

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨MacNCheezus@lemmy.today⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

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  • Tgo_up@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    How tf can killing a single person with a handgun be classified as terrorism?

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    • codexarcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Because the ruling class is terrified

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    • Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Because they don’t like him.

      I mean Dylan fucking Roof shot dead 9 black people and they didn’t consider it terrorism.

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      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Dylan Roof did get charged with hate crimes and was convicted on all 33 counts, leading to a death sentence. Stacking terrorism charges on top of that would have been pointless.

        Mangione, by contrast, is getting charged in a state without capital punishment. You need the terror charge to make this a First Degree Murder case. Otherwise he’s looking at parole after 15 years.

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    • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      “They’re making us CEO’s afraid, terrified even, so he’s clearly a terrorist. The implication that the working class could actually fight back against the systemic oppression we inflict on them? That’s horrifying. We can’t allow them to believe they could ever fight back. Make an example of this person.”

      The rich assholes or something

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    • mrslt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Crimes against the ruling class are more harshly punished than crimes against the plebs.

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    • AWittyUsername@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Because it’s making the CEOs and politicians Terrified.

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      • TheFriar@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Our most sacred 21st century nobility. Guess we’ll have to cut their taxes to show our deference

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      • GladiusB@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        They used to be terrified a lot more often when history was closer to JFK, Mussolini, Lincoln, and the French Revolution. When the leaders really thought the punishment for bad leadership was their ass, they gave a shit more.

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    • dumbass@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      As long as the action terrorised a large enough group of people it’s terrorism, it’s just this time, the terrorised people are the rich cunts hiding in their mansions like the traitorous cowards they are.

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  • lepinkainen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So this is terrorism but they refuse to give terrorism charges to local militias?

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    • JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They also don’t charge people who blow up abortion clinics with terrorism either. They haven’t since the 60s - 70s.

      If you look it up the courts have been petitioned several times to associate abortion clinic bombings with Christian terrorism but they keep refusing to call it what it is.

      After reading about that fiasco I have very little faith our government actually has a working definition of terrorism that doesn’t shift at their convenience.

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      • mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Hardly shocking that the christofascist courts of America refuse to classify abortion clinic bombings as domestic terrorism.

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    • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Local militias are perfectly acceptable as per the second amendment, as long as they’re “well regulated”, whatever that means…

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    • realitista@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Hence the joke

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    • UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Whatever helps the ruling class protect their money

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  • eran_morad@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The dead guy was the terrorist.

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    • ivanafterall@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      But he was white…?

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      • Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        fine “Domestic” terrorist

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      • T00l_shed@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        So he was a “lone wolf” then

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      • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        So was Timothy McVeigh.

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  • python@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Was he actually Italian though? As in, speaking Italian, having an Italian passport etc.? Y’all Americans have weird definitions of nationality, just having a foreign sounding last name isn’t really enough…

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    • Enoblk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      When someone from America says they Italian or whatever they aren’t talking about nationality, it’s about ancestry, where your family came from not what county you were born in

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      • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        No no no no…it’s about what kind of food your mom cooked when you were a kid.

        Which makes me…uhhhhhh…clown? I don’t know. She bought a lot of McDonalds.

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    • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Dude’s name is Luigi FFS and his last name sounds like a pizza restaurant. That settles it for me, thank you very much.

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      • python@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You joke, but that kind of prejudice is pretty hurtful in day to day life

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    • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      According to Italian law if you have Italian ancestry, you’re Italian. There’s a whole process (with many asterisks and exceptions) in which you can apply to get your Italian passport

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      • medgremlin@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        My great grandfather was an Italian immigrant. My father is looking into getting an Italian passport. Maybe being a soon-to-be physician will improve my chances of getting one too. (Maybe I’ll switch from learning French to learning Italian too)

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    • int_not_found@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The word you are looking for is enthnicity. Enthnicity describes the (self-)perceived belonging to a population group. This is of course highly subjective.

      There is undeniably perception of grouping in the US based on heritage, where it doesn’t really matter when your ancestors arrived, just from where. So from an American POV it makes sense to call him Italian, because he is in the same perceived group as all the people from Italy.

      On the other hand from a European POV it doesn’t really matter, where your great grandparents come from. You are part of the US-Group, so you are American.

      This is not an exclusive US Problem, but a general migration problem & it happens everywhere. Comments like yours are the reason, why people from migrated families feel like they are in-between cultures. Instead of writing snarky comments on the internet, just accept that your perception of ethnicity is part of your ethnicity and other people can have other perceptions.

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      • MutilationWave@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Ever heard a white American try to have the tired-ass what’s your ancestry conversation with a black American descended from slaves? It’s pretty awkward. I hate these conversations and they need to stop.

        I get it all the time because my last name is pretty distinctively German, even though it’s been anglicized.

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    • sirico@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      White Africans and Black Germans must have a great old time over there

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      • spankmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        White Africans

        Charlize Theron is doing fantastic!

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    • _LordMcNuggets_@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      More of a

      visits Italy for the first time over summer continues to tell every living soul that their father’s father’s neighbour’s goldfish, was italian to everyone … scenario

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  • DankOfAmerica@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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    • TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      “I learned it from watching you, ok?!?!?”

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  • CriticalMiss@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Let’s hope the jury disagrees

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    • AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They charged him with terrorism so a regular jury won’t get to make that decision. It will be a federal grand jury of selected stooges, and maybe even a secret court.

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      • EpeeGnome@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        A federal grand jury isn’t a replacement for a regular federal trial jury. They’re completely different things. A grand jury decides if there is a strong enough case to take the charges to trial, or if they should just be dismissed. When a grand jury isn’t used, the trial judge makes that determination themselves. I agree that the terrorism charge will affect how the trial is conducted, but I don’t know enough on that topic to comment further.

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      • Faresh@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Oh. So that was their play.

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  • secret300@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Uhuh… And the school shooters? No terrorist charges?..

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    • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m pretty sure it’s up to the state attorney to decide what charges to bring is all I’ll say.

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    • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Those tend to be a personal grudge, not a political statement.

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      • HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Pretty sure you could agree he had a personal grudge as well

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      • uis@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        “Unlimited scope of people” does not require political statement.

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    • FanBlade@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Have you done actual research or are you assuming because it feels right, it must be?

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      • frostysauce@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Research on what?

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  • TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    the definition of terrorism from the FBI is very… vague

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    Here’s an exerpt from the declaration of Independence :3

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    • OmegaLemmy@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Lemmy is filled with domestic terrorists!

      Me included!

      Don’t let the jandarma take me

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      • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Probably some international ones too.

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      • pseudo@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        jandarma

        Is that a real english word?

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    • Baguette@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I didn’t know Miku was a textbook definition of a terrorist /s

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    • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The problem with the latter is that it only applies to the government, not private corporations.

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  • DogPeePoo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    ”We are all domestic terrorists…”

    -CPAC 2022

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  • PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    See, his mistake was not killing him during a Career Day at an elementary school. If he took out kids as well, he wouldn’t get a terrorism charge.

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    • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Dark humor is like food, not everyone gets it.

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  • leadore@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    CEO’s: Second degree murder is the highest you can charge him with? But we want to torture him and make an example of him so the proles don’t get uppity!

    Cops: No problem sirs, we can make that happen.

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s been curious to see the number of major media pundits doing the “Wonder how long his pretty little face will last in prison?” jokes while his fellow inmates are vocally supporting him

      Really lets you know which side everyone is lining up on.

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  • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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    • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Honestly, this applies to all of us (replace pheasant and wine with whatever you can afford)

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      • GhiLA@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Eat your nuggies, drink your honey mussy…

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  • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    From what the manifesto found on him allegedly said, it sounds like his actions were politically motivated. And violence in pursuit of a political goal is kinda the definition of terrorism.

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    • dragonfucker@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      George Washington used violence to advance his political agenda of a sovereign USA. Was George a terrorist?

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      • SomethingBurger@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It’s not terrorism if you win.

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      • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yes, why would you think he wasn’t?

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      • imposedsensation@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yes, he was a good terrorist. He wasn’t captured by the enemy.

        Luigi was pretty dumb wearing that creepy outfit at a McD. He was captured. Regardless of how you feel about him, being captured was a major failure.

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      • HK65@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        If he used violence against noncombatants.

        Hiroshima and Nagasaki were terror attacks though.

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      • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        4th of July is a national celebration of terrorism.

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    • Fleur_@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No?

      It’s very obviously an action made with intent to cause terror. It doesn’t have to be political or violent. There is often an aspect of violence and political motivation but it isn’t a requirement

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      • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims.

        It’s pretty much always meant violence for an ideology or cause. And the political motivation is very much what makes the difference.

        Words do have definitions.

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      • Gladaed@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        He likely intended to cause terror for the victims minority.

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  • OccamsRazer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s more of an assassination in my opinion.

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  • Donkter@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Is there any chance that the terrorism charge is so ridiculous that it actually strengthens Luigi’s case and makes his defense better?

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  • Allonzee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Freedom fighter

    Ftfy

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  • EfreetSK@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So “terrorism” equals “middle eastern”?

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  • quixotic120@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    uh, dunno if people have noticed but the Mediterranean is kind of goin through some shit right now. Also Italy has a pretty notable history of bombings and assassinations

    But also what the other person said, dude is american. I’m so sick of my family members talking like sopranos characters because our grandparents were actual Italians. Plus they 100% definitely didn’t say gabbagool and proshoot before like 2003

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  • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    All Americans are equals. But some are more equals than others.

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  • Jamablaya@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I just hope there’s people around smart enough and willing to lie, when asked in jury selection interviews, that they’ve never heard of jury nullification. I doubt they ask that in those words, because people would go look it up, but I’m sure they have a roundabout way of getting to that answer.

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  • brlemworld@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It isn’t settled though. Innocent until proven guilty.

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  • geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    More Sicily than Milan

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  • Gammelfisch@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Thanks to fucking Patriot Act. The SS and NKVD bullshit should be repealed.

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  • Juice@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Publish this everywhere to get musk dumped on day 1

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  • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Reasonable take.

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