Water mountains are my new favorite concept
There are “hills” on the sea. I doesn’t prove that Earth is not also round.
Can't argue with that logic
Submitted 4 months ago by hydroptic@sopuli.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz
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bstix@feddit.dk 4 months ago
rockyTron@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Yep. This is due to variations in the gravitational magnitude at any point from the earth, moon, sun, and other bodies, as well as the periodicity of the earth/moon/sun rotations interacting with friction (between the sea and the sea, the sea and the atmosphere, and the sea and the lithosphere), and creating a giant standing wave (which is constantly changing, like an instrument or a musical composition) of ocean water all over the earth. This doesn’t even take into account atmospheric pressure and water temperature/viscosity variations. The earth is a complex system with waves upon waves upon waves of interacting coupled oscillations all interfering with each other. Whoa 😳
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
Always amazed me how such insignificant creatures, bacterium on the scale of the earth, can have such a big impact on the environment.
sinkingship@mander.xyz 4 months ago
And more. Major river discharge can raise the sea level in the area. Then big circular currents similar like when you stirr your cup of coffee or tea. Or chocolate milk 🤤
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 4 months ago
like an instrument or a musical composition) of ocean water all over the earth.
Somebody way better at music should find a way to turn that into music.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Shhh.
You’re gonna make their brains hurt.
nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 4 months ago
TIL, thank you
vaionko@sopuli.xyz 4 months ago
Isn’t that how tides work? The hills move? I’m probably all wrong
bstix@feddit.dk 4 months ago
It’s all about gravity and then some.
The tides and ordinary waves caused by wind will appear as moving hills.
The daily tides happen from the moon pulling the water towards the line between the moon and earth. This forms the tides that go around the globe everyday. It happens on both sides of the globe, like this:
The topological map shows something else than tides and moving waves though.
The globe isn’t perfectly round. It’s shaped like an irregular geoid, almost shaped like an ellipsoid, but not exactly. The ocean surface topological map takes the usual tides in account and maps the surface in relation to the geoid, so it shows where the water level is higher or lower than it would be if it was perfectly distributed.
The earth’s gravitational field is not perfectly regular, so it will pull more water towards certain areas, and there are things like ocean currents and the regular trade winds happening from Earth’s rotation, all shaping the sea in hills and valleys that are not just waves. These variations span large areas and doesn’t appear as much in relation to the tides. It basically just goes to show that sea level is not at all level. For instance, the east coast of USA has a higher sea level than the west coast. If sea levels should rise from melting ice, it is therefore more likely to spill over the east coast than the west coast.
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 4 months ago
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Yeah, Mount Horizon covers the entire planet
douglasg14b@programming.dev 4 months ago
This is what fundamental scientific illiteracy gets you.
When you have no reference point for how the world around you works anything makes sense.
courval@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Nah it’s just trolling and people like you overreacting and feeding the social media machine, Zuck et al. love it
yamanii@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It’s been 10 years, it’s not trolling.
Zink@programming.dev 4 months ago
I only feed the Lemmy social media machine. I bet I have cost instance admins entire pennies!
Zink@programming.dev 4 months ago
Flat earthers 10 years ago in school: “when am I ever going to need to know the difference between a plane and a sphere in the real world?!”
Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 months ago
They have to be trolling, right? There’s no way a flat earther thinks water can bend like that.
ignotum@lemmy.world 4 months ago
“the earth is flat since water is always level, oh except water mountains”
Actually, i could imagine a flat earther would say that now that i think about it
Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Yeah, you’re right. Why am I expecting any soft of consistency in their train of thought. lol
davidagain@lemmy.world 4 months ago
What is a tide if not a wide water hill?
Dasus@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Also nowadays we have such accurate satellites that we can actually see the tiny increases in elevation of the sea level that reflect the topology of the sea floor.
Satellites notice the tiny “water mountains” which indicate the topology of the sea floor, and then they scan the place better with equipment on boats.
theguardian.com/…/more-than-5000-new-species-disc…
But yeah, I really think “water mountains” is a bit on a exaggeration to that phenomena.
marcos@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Now that you asked, I wonder how flat earthers explain tides.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 months ago
water mountains
…water mountains…
like… gotta be a troll. please.
I want to know there isn’t a single person on this planet that is that fucking dumb.
davidagain@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Is a tide not a kind of water hill?
Deceptichum@quokk.au 4 months ago
There no way an earther could water bend either, unless they’re the avatar or something.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Goddamn weebs gonna weeb. (Avatar <3 )
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
Oh you sweet summer child. If they understood basic physics they wouldn’t be a flat earther.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
There’s no way a flat earther thinks
That’s all you need to remember.
brown567@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
samus12345@lemmy.world 4 months ago
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Welp I’ll never see that atrwork the same ever again.
Abnorc@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Temporary water mountains don’t count.
brown567@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
All mountains are temporary, it’s just a matter of timescale
MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
I believe in water mountain. Just one of it. And it’s round. That’s why ships always disappear the same distance away if your height is the same, and why they disappear further away if you’re higher up, again with a predictable relationship. The water mountain surrounds two thirds of the earth, and goes all the way around the round earth.
IndiBrony@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I don’t think this guy got the memo: the flat earth argument is that water finds its own level. “Large bodies of water don’t curve” as they say.
They believe that the ships don’t actually disappear and that the strong zoom of a Nikon P1000 can actually bring ships back from behind the “curve”.
They’re a very special set of people 👍
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 months ago
strong zoom of a Nikon P1000 can actually bring ships back from behind the “curve”.
wow, observation effects, these people are quantum idiots.
Zwiebel@feddit.org 4 months ago
I thought they only believe their own eyes
IndiBrony@lemmy.world 4 months ago
dO yOuR oWn ReSeArCh!
Glemek@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Yo I think I gotta add this to my D&D campaign setting
Zink@programming.dev 4 months ago
I’m imagining you ruining your players’ suspension of disbelief by including something that real people in the real world really believe.
Glemek@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I hope it doesn’t! I hope they see it or hear of it and are intrigued. Maybe they wonder if something exciting is going on there, and want to check it out.
Idk yet, but they’re probably resulting from a leak from the elemental plane of water, or a leyline nexus or something there and water magic is stronger there and so there is a flotilla of wizards trying to study it under the harsh conditions. Or it could be a hole in the world and somewhere else there is a big whirlpool, and the wrecks get spit out at the top of the water mountain and there is a whole culture of salvagers who explore the turbulence and dive for treasures. Maybe an empire of sea elves has been magically growing it for decades with the intention of using it as a weaponized tsunami so they can raid and conquer farther inland. I love irl conspiracy shit like this that asks more questions than it answers, because in a fantasy setting the answers get to be cool.
JordanZ@lemmy.world 4 months ago
[deleted]MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
Don’t try to apply logic to their argument.
They don’t understand it, and it’s mean to talk over their head. /s
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Also, no matter where you are on Earth, that water mountain is always juuuust over there.
roguetrick@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Well, under certain conditions, it does.
m0darn@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
Maybe it’s that the land is on top of the water mountain/ plateau? And as the ships sail away they descend from the plateau? Maybe it’s the gravity of the land that causes the water to bunch up near the land? Maybe the earth is actually spherical? Wait no not that last one…
Batman@lemmy.world 4 months ago
From shore it looks like the ship goes up doesn’t it? But what is happening when you’re on a boat and go on the ocean.? Maybe the water mountains are like silicon breasts as you ride along them they depress under the weight?
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 4 months ago
Mother Earth’s fake boobs
timewarp@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I have never met a flat earther, but if I did and she was hot I’d see what else I could convince her to believe.
Etterra@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It’s fantastic for the skin, I swear, I saw it in Oprah.
bloubz@lemmygrad.ml 4 months ago
I hope that’s a reference I don’t get
bloubz@lemmygrad.ml 4 months ago
So, no reference? You’re just a rapist? The post didn’t even mention women
braxy29@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Ken M, is that you? (i hope so!)
alteredracoon@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Awh man I miss Ken M
Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 4 months ago
There’s a simple reason why you have to make up water mountains to picture the horizon:
Scale issue.
sunoc@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
More like skill issues
fckreddit@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
I refuse to accept ships disappear behind something because I have never seen a ship disappear behind anything.
davidagain@lemmy.world 4 months ago
In my extensive experience (I live near the coast) of watching ships, I find that by the time they’re far enough away to be disappearing, they’re also small, indistinct and hazy. I can’t honestly tell you that in decades of looking, I’ve ever seen a clear cut case of the bottom of the ship disappearing before the top. It’s all very indistinct indeed.
If you want to convince flat earthers, the ship past the horizon thing isn’t going to do it.
Wolf314159@startrek.website 4 months ago
There is no convincing them through any kind of logic or observation. The logical proof of the shape and size of the earth is remarkably simple and straightforward, with math any trigonometry or geometry student could prove on their own. Eratosthenes did it a few thousand years ago with observations from a deep well and the shadow of a vertical rod a significant and measureable distance apart on the same day at the same time. These are simple and direct observations that anyone could make and repeat themselves. If Eratosthenes proof isn’t clear enough to them, nothing will be.
There was even a documentary in which self professed flat-earthers performed a variation of this experiment with some careful arrangement of a laser over a large lake. Unsurprisingly, they did measure the curvature of the earth (with much less precision than Eratosthenes), but they still couldn’t accept the results.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Really? I’ve seen it firsthand quite often. It’s very obvious when you’re in a kayak, because you’re so low to the water.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Imagine if we had some kind of tool we could use to see far away…
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Just a quick question.
How does one go about hiding a ship in a glacier?
Okay. Make that two questions.
Why does one hide a ship in a glacier?!
nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 4 months ago
So that one day, the shape-shifting alien can thaw and gobble up the entire crew of a research station?
hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 4 months ago
Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 months ago
They probably saw it on Interstellar.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 months ago
This is such a fascinating concept, because it misses the truth by millimeters. Complete lack of self awareness.
BilboBargains@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Water mountain, aka an iceberg. Checkmate, atheists.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Hmmm. That would finally explain water skiing.
Snapz@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Grandpa was a ball earthist… It’s a shame we all carry in my family.
On another note, THE GOP JUST FUCKING DECIMATED ACCESS TO MENTAL HEALTH CARE IN THE US, DIDN’T THEY? These folks just get to walk around, mid manic episode, pointing rifles at poll workers, licking doorknobs during COVID, injecting bleach and horse paste into their eyeballs, committing January 6th while stabbing cops with sharpened flagpoles and worshipping a compulsive liar and convicted felon who doesn’t know where he is half the time…
We used to have places these folks could go to get help.
Dkarma@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Show me in the bowl of water how it’s done
TheBat@lemmy.world 4 months ago
lorty@lemmygrad.ml 4 months ago
A water mountain would be a cool set piece in a fantasy setting.
saltesc@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I’mm clearly having trouble seeing the mountain for all these ships.
pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 4 months ago
I think they’re onto something. In fact, these water mountains seem to be so common, it might just be one big water mountain that covers the whole planet, and is so big it eventually wraps around and meets itself at the bottom.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 months ago
No no no. That would NEVER work! See, what’s actually happening is the lizardmen are driving these ships, and taking them to the pirate ports where they sell everything. Thats when they buy evrn MORE drugs, and Steve said I can have some of the drugs. So I started eating these gummies, but it turns out they’re just regular gummy bears. They’re still good though. I would trade you some of my gummy bears for some actual gummies, but I have misplaced my pants…