We’ve seen Obama drone kill kids at weddings in Pakistan. We have seen this circus before.
Lemmy users logging on to level set the Blue Wave enjoyers
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Saarth@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
redballooon@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Yes! Found one!
3laws@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
NO PWEASE DON’T BRING UP THE WAR CRIMES I HAVE NO TRUE MORAL GROUND TO ARGUE AGAINST IT PWEASE.
beanburger@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
I’ll believe in blue wave when the American empire contracts, it recalls its military, closes the global bases and releases everyone from their gulag supermaxxes
skisnow@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
or even enforces its own laws consistently
Avicenna@programming.dev 1 hour ago
Maybe find the middle ground? It is certainly a good reason to celebrate that republicans lost and Trump shuts up for once. It is also true that there are democrats that would just as well fit the republican party. But it is also sure as hell true that true progressives can only come out of democrats not republicans. So US should make it count, hold anti progressive, status quo democrats to account and root them out. Then it will become a flawless victory.
MrSulu@lemmy.ml 4 hours ago
Policies are a spectrum. We do need to remain mindful of the similarities and the differences between red and blue. If there are overlapping similarities that we don’t like, we speak out, or not.
Allero@lemmy.today 2 hours ago
That’s what we said all the way. Vote blue, but don’t expect it to be magic pill. A truly democratic government is the one accountable to its people.
The election results should be a wake up call. People are ready for the change, and are pissed with the government in a very bad way.
It is a victory right here nonetheless. One of many coming forward, I hope.
wpb@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
That’s what we said all the way.
Yes, to your credit you probably said this, and a whole bunch of folks with you. But I’ve been in plenty of conversations with folks who outright deny that Biden is fully complicit in the Gaza genocide, or even worse, acknowledge this but then go “no biggie!”
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 hours ago
Dems won, that’s good. They have control of the senate which they haven’t had for a while.
So here’s my damper, there was anti-trans legislation passed in blue states and there was an increasing rise of anti-trans rhetoric within the Democrat candidates. I do not want the establishment Dems and their think tanks to get the take away that they won by throwing trans people under the bus.
I’m still going to be critical of Dems, they have a lot to prove and should be spending these next couple months in meetings on how they deal with the fact Trump will veto everything they do. They will have to find a way to circumvent that veto pen or persecute Trump to the fullest extent possible as well as his regime.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
So here’s my damper, there was anti-trans legislation passed in blue states and there was an increasing rise of anti-trans rhetoric within the Democrat candidates.
WA state’s bullshit is going to die in the courts. I’m sickened that it passed; looking at the districts - king and two other counties rejected it… but the boondocks voted for it overwhelmingly. you can’t put that on the left, on establishment dems, when it’s the people in the sticks making it happen.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 hours ago
Here’s an article linked from an LGBT+ focused and friendly online publication. It’s not all relegated to just the reactionaries.
Pacattack57@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
I hate saying this but imma be honest with you. They absolutely won because they abandoned trans rights as a talking point. You have no idea how many peoples single issue with not voting democrats was gender affirming care. They hate it and will tell you in the same breath that circumcision is ok. The only reason so many republicans flipped was because of how bad the economy is performing.
I’m not saying to abandon trans rights but I think I speak for the majority when I say that running on policy that affects 1% of the population and angers 50% of the population is stupid. Instead of phrasing it to help trans people, we should focus on expanding healthcare access to ALL citizens. Not just trans people.
zbyte64@awful.systems 7 hours ago
If the candidate can’t explain how trans Healthcare is part of Healthcare for all, especially women, then that is a skill issue.
ChunderBustickles@piefed.nz 7 hours ago
Now is the time for them to start laying the groundwork for actual changes…
- things like barring lobbying funds from politics (I know, it’s the Dems, they’d never do that)
- anything that claws back the government’s power and brings mega corps to heel (naïve, I know!)
The trump terms have demonstrated that there aren’t enough checks and balances because the GOP have demonstrated following the rulebook is optional. If we can’t rebuild democracy, we must harden it.
(I’m a kiwi with no skin in the game here, but now is the time to really start pushing, not celebrating)
Freefall@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
So a lot of anti trans would-be-red voters voted blue but still supported their gross views in supporting anti-trans stuff. That tracks.
missingno@fedia.io 14 hours ago
Fuck the Democratic establishment, especially Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries. I don't trust them any further than I can throw them.
But the voters are what's giving me a little bit of hope for the future. The fact that so many solidly red states and districts could flip is seriously huge. It's a sign that the winds of change are blowing in the right direction.
EntheoNaut@lemmy.ml 14 hours ago
Agreed both counts.
Fuck every Zionist supporter of Israel regardless of the divide they stand.
The only war worth fighting is the class war.
The populace standing up is refreshing. The DSA and Dems who are pressuring MFA and abolishing Citizens United have my support.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
miked@piefed.social 8 hours ago
Just emailed my rep saying I don’t want her to support Jeffries.
My rep (Oakland, CA) is very active in the House and has many community events.
She is liberal.
pumpupthejam@piefed.social 15 hours ago
My chickens laid 12 eggs, doesn’t mean I’m getting 12 chicks.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
it means you need to check what’s going on with your superchicken.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 9 hours ago
Cloaca gigantism
SethTaylor@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Ok… I’m removing chicken farmer from my Tinder bio ☹️
wjrii@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
::reads thread::
::awards OP the “most accurate shitpost” award::
BigDiction@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Hate hate hate hate!
NihilSineNefas@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
I read this in Chris Ray Gun’s voice
Calfpupa@lemmy.ml 17 hours ago
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 hours ago
the ant-trans propaganda worked unfortunately, likewise cali is likely to fail the billionaire tax too.
Blibittyblah@futurology.today 17 hours ago
I fucking hate when I agree with an ML lmfao. I guess we aren’t talking about China so we can chill together ;)
Calfpupa@lemmy.ml 16 hours ago
MLs have a whole spectrum of opinions about China!
Doomsider@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
I see you have choosen Genocide Lite©
Would you like a strongly worded letter to Israel, a passionate lip-service speech about protecting human rights, or sanctions that will be vetoed by the President?
OwOarchist@pawb.social 16 hours ago
A) This may shock you to find out, but there’s a whole rest of the world outside of Gaza, and things that benefit the rest of the world are still good, even if they don’t benefit Gaza.
B) Genocide Lite© is still better than Double Genocide Ultra-Extreme+ Turbo-Mode©
Doomsider@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
A) It may shock you but there are more genocides than just Gaza.
B) Agreed
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 hours ago
But but harm reduction! It works! Until you’re the one they let be in the sights.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
I’m surprised it took so long, still can’t believe he got reelected after his first shit term.
He was already the worst President. “No war” my ass
joeschmoe@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
I probably don’t understand the results fully, but it’s only 54 vs 44. 44. After all the literal Guardians Of Pedophiles did. I mean, it’s a victory alright, but idk, “blue wave” seems insanely exaggerated.
Objection@lemmy.ml 8 hours ago
Once Mississippi and Alaska are confirmed it’ll likely be 56-44. If you’re not familiar with how the US Senate works, only a third of representatives are up for election each time. A lot of states have been considered solidly red or blue for a long time (with little change even with all the shit Trump has done up to this point), with only a handful of states being seen as competitive, but Democrats broke that gridlock in many states that people would’ve thought impossible. Kansas hasn’t had a Democratic senator in nearly a century.
The senate was designed to limit popular momentum, but conversely, it also means that the senators that were elected yesterday won’t be up for reelection for another 6 years. It’ll be difficult if not impossible for the Republicans to regain control before then. If Democrats win the presidency in 2028 (which seems likely with Trump being unpopular), then we’ll be looking at a Democratic trifecta, which hasn’t happened since the first two years of Obama.
Also, Texas going blue is monumental. It has
a bajillion40 electoral votes in our stupid system so it fundamentally reshapes the path to a presidential win.BigDiction@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Blue undulation, blue kicker ramp? I’m open to suggestions
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
should I wade into 4chan/pol/ to drink in the salt, or is it not worth it to give them the attention and have them scrape me for whatever data might leak out?
Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
“I’m very upset about what you said about my coat. I made it outta your mother’s pubic hair.” - Silky Johnston
SethTaylor@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Here I come to snap your surfboard in half. There will be no happiness on my watch.
dog@reddthat.com 17 hours ago
Next step is to get Trump and Trumpism out of the White House for good. Trump is the worst President in living memory, maybe the worst ever, and his administration has done generational damage. For the Democrats, it can’t go back to business as usual after Trump, because that’s setting things up for another Trump in the future. It’s time to stick two fingers up to the billionaire class and start making radical changes for ordinary Americans.
They entire party needs to be taken over top to bottom, because realistically the current crop in the higher echelons aren’t going to do shit as they’re spineless and they’re bought. It’s time they started actually getting punished for their inaction.
I’m not confident of seeing any meaningful positive change, but I am very pleased to see Republicans lose. That’s my main take away from this. I do hope that Americans hold their lesser evils to account.
BigDiction@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Alright we’ve had numerous impassioned contributions from the community!
Which commenter would you nominate as the most deserving for the Hater of the Thread?
wowwoweowza@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Don’t go hatin’ To try and please me You never let me down before
CrimeIsLegalNow@ani.social 8 hours ago
It really pisses off my younger self that Dave is the perfect fit here
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 hours ago
With the way they’re acting, you’d think that these dudes wanted Republicans to maintain control. Like, I don’t have a lot of faith in democrats to actually get the shit done that they need to, but the defeatism is absolutely absurd.
kreskin@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
> they have a lot to prove and should be spending these next couple months in meetings on how they deal with the fact Trump will veto everything they do.
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 hours ago
I swear to god the double trauma of COVID and Trump during formative periods of some peoples’ lives made it pathologically impossible for them to take a win for even a day or two. That’s how you burn the fuck out. Don’t rest on your laurels, but making people feel like nothing is ever enough is how you get them to stop showing up.
silentjohn@lemmy.ml 16 hours ago
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We have plenty of wins, built on the hard work of working class Americans door knocking, phone banking, canvassing, signature gathering, etc.
zoltanshields@lemmy.zip 14 hours ago
I see it a lot in organizing, like taking even a second to breathe is going to accidentally infect you with an airborne centrist virus.
And then the going gets rough and all the “We can rest after the revolution” types are burnt out so they start publicly infighting at the first disagreement because they’re tired and hopeless and miserable.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 8 hours ago
IMO, you should have higher standards.
Avicenna@programming.dev 1 hour ago
They probably wanted progressive wing to collapse before getting back in the seat. Now people have a reference point to compare them to and hopefully democrats that can’t live up to that will get rooted out instead.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
The tankies want Trump to win because they think that after he’s destroyed the US, a socialist utopia will rise from the ashes.
zarathustrad@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
A theocratic autocracy will rise from the ashes. Unless you kids have done more prep work that you let on, your not winning the war if it goes hot, and the crazies with stockpiles and organization in place have the advantage over unprepared forum users.
Calfpupa@lemmy.ml 16 hours ago
Not a single tankie believes in utopic socialism
silentjohn@lemmy.ml 17 hours ago
This is very incorrect.
OwOarchist@pawb.social 16 hours ago
Not even that – they just want to clear the way for Russia/China to gain more power.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 hours ago
No, nobody has said this, lmao.
TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 12 hours ago
Tankies don’t want a socialist anything though
silentjohn@lemmy.ml 17 hours ago
As “one of those people” you are talking about, we’ve been here before. Yes, it feels awesome to get such a decisive victory over the republicans. I’ve seen this before. Over and over again. The pendulum has swung back to the left. But, just because we voted in a bunch of Dems, hell even a bunch of Socialists, that doesn’t mean they will, or even can, fix the most broken parts of this system. Democrats have enabled and even facilitated some of the worst aspects of what we’re seeing right now from Trump and Republicans. I mean, you yourself even admit it: “I don’t have a lot of faith in democrats to actually get the shit done that they need to”.
The difference is, we know what needs to be done. A really famous guy wrote about it over a 100 years ago. Having Blue majority didn’t improve anybody’s material conditions in the past. Why would it now? Yes, they’re “less bad”, but Dems are still pretty bad. What makes this time different?
I love the outcome of the election. It was a bloodbath. But I’m not deluding myself that wholesale change will ever come from national electeds. Defeatist? Maybe. I’m just tempering my expectations, even from DSA endorsed winners.
this post sums it up best imo. Prove me wrong. Prove all of us MLs and “tAnKiEs” wrong. Prove to us that voting can and does work, that we can materially improve people’s situations without protest.
WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 hours ago
Don’t get me wrong, I see what you’re saying and I generally agree with your leftist sentiments.
That said, you are incorrect that the Democrats have been totally unsuccessful in improving material conditions for people. I’m with you that it hasn’t nearly been far enough, but they did accomplish significant things for women and black people.
JFK passed the equal pay act. LBJ passed the civil rights act. Clinton passed the violence against women act. These things had an effect that was tangible, even if we need more.
In Texas, my grandmother wasn’t able to have her own bank account without my grandfather signing a permission note until John Connally, a Democrat, passed the Marital Property Act of 1967. My mother never had that problem because a Democrat changed the conditions for women in this country.
Do I want a true left to rise in the United States? Yes. Do I think the Democrats have any hope of fixing capitalism? No. BUT, this victory is sweet, and I’ll be raising a glass to the Democrats today anyway.
aaa999@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
roosevelt
Maeve@kbin.earth 15 hours ago
🧐
OwOarchist@pawb.social 16 hours ago
Who said anything about without protest?
As always, voting is one of several strategies we must pursue at once … and it’s not even the most important one.
OwOarchist@pawb.social 16 hours ago
All the tankies I’ve talked to seem to be fully in favor of accelerationism – just wanting whatever will cause the most damage to the US the fastest. So, yeah – they were absolutely rooting for the Republicans.
Maeve@kbin.earth 15 hours ago
No because we know fascists would take control. We want you to read theory, join PSL, do mutual aid and help build a vanguard.
Objection@lemmy.ml 15 hours ago
Yeah? Can you show us one?
Zink@programming.dev 12 hours ago
I am hoping that the accelerationism this country needed was a cultural one rather than a violent one – that the conservatives showed so much ugly to the world that the American people pushed the Overton window a bit away from conservatism and will continue to reject that whole world of bullshit in the future.
It can’t just be the gas prices, right?
Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 hours ago
Oh believe me, they do. I’ve literally been told how much more awful Democrats are than Republicans. IIRC, the reasoning behind that was some vague shit about liberals watering down true leftism or something. Like, yeah, one side wants to establish a fascist totalitarian government and has literally set out to murdering foreigners and dissenters with ICE, but hey, your identity politics are more important.
Maeve@kbin.earth 4 hours ago
Immigrants and dissenters have always been murdered. And children and women.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 12 hours ago
I mean Schumer and Jeffries are out there taking the "high" road again, so the first indication that positive change is coming would be those two fucking off to the other side of the sun.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
I’m old enough to remember Blue Waves hitting the rocks of Decorum and Civility and doing fuck all. I’m not getting my hopes up ever again.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
And you’re gonna try your best to pass that feeling on
tacosanonymous@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 hours ago
They’ll tell you that they do. I’ve had some tell me that electoralism won’t bring about socialism and things have to get way worse before the people revolt.
tutter@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 hours ago
Accelerationism is imo the left wing equivalent of the american conservative-christian death cult.
Calfpupa@lemmy.ml 17 hours ago
Prove this wrong then. It’s never happened.
Maeve@kbin.earth 15 hours ago
I mean, it's true.
Maeve@kbin.earth 10 hours ago
That's true.