The problem isn’t with digital. The problem is with digital licenses and rights.
Former Valve writer says PlayStation killing physical discs is no conspiracy: "You, the consumer, have made your choice, and the choice is for digital"
Submitted 2 weeks ago by inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
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W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
wizzim@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Exactly. And geo restrictions.
stoy@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Which stems from licensing and rights
blackbeans@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Discs are just as digital as internet data piped through fiber optics. It’s a deceitful term which doesn’t cover the true change: perpetual license vs time limited license.
GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This intentionally misses the point.
It’s physical and digital distribution.
DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
You can resell or trade a disc though. Or at least have been able to up until now I bet they start tying those to specific accounts now while they still make them until 2028.
steelplatedmech@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
I like that discs aren’t tied to an online account, so anyone in possession of it can use it to play the game. The company can’t take away access like they can banning your online account.
bampop@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What nonsense. What matters isn’t whether we use physical disks or not. And it’s all digital anyway, you don’t get many games on vinyl these days. The real issue is whether you own the games you buy. As GOG is proving, game ownership is something that publishers can easily offer, regardless of the delivery mechanism.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
GOG doesn’t give you ownership of the game the way physical media does though. Unless they’ve added a feature to sell your used games?
sirico@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Hard drives are physical you can even put it on tape or break out the floppies. No drm is the real winner and true ownership
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Download the offline installer and now you have possession.
Further, because GOG enforces no DRM or mandatory sign-ins, so that means that you also have control over that copy of the game - you can install it and play it however and whenever you see fit.
For GOG games were you downloaded and kept the offline installer, the only way that the righsholder has of stopping you from installing and playing that game is to sue you, which is:
- Almost certainly not worth it for then due to the cost of taking somebody to court for it versus what they would gain if they won.
- They actually have to have an actual legal basis for unilateraly changing the licensing agreement with you and hence be allowed to block you from continuing with the activity you have a license for (installing and running that game), which they almost certainly do not have in pretty much the whole World since EULAs aren’t valid there (they’re considered an attempt at, after a sale is completed, forcing unilateral changes to the implicit contract which is the sale, so have no legal validity)
With other stores they can just force the store to take down the game and now it’s up to YOU to sue THEM to get restitution and the “not worth it” is now something that goes against you (unless you have access to a Small Claims Court in the jurisdiction you’re in, are you really going to sue them for a 50 bucks game?)
In fact, physical media is worse than digital GOG games, because the former can have phone-home DRM or mandatory sign-ins so you have possession but not control.
bampop@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Good point, I’m guessing it probably falls short of physical media in that way. As I understand it, they let you download an install file for the games you purchase, which you can save and use offline. I doubt that publishers would put effort into enabling a second hand games market
Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Can we stop spreading the propaganda for them? Sony lied about digital sales by including digital-only games in their figures.
Every game with a physical release, according to their developers, makes most of their sales on disc (60%-80%) every single time.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Where can I learn more about this. Frankly, I will not just take your word for it.
Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Search Twitter and Bluesky for official game studio and personal developer accounts. They almost always post about their sales soon after a launch. I don’t have any on hand, sorry. I do remember suckerpunch and insomniac doing so all the time
lemmelemmy@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
The guy who’s saying this is a controversian, he’s trying to get clicks to his TikTok. He was also opposing stop killing games. He’s not even working in valve more than a decade. So he’s irrelevant but he does make sure to say ex-valve before his title.
Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I do not even have a tiktok. Who are you talking about?
DupaCycki@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
releases digital-only game
“hmm, 0 physical copies sold… looks like people prefer digital”
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I believe you, and im sure it’s because I’ve lost passion for just about everything at this point, but if the disk doesnt hold the game what really is the point anymore. If we bought the entire game on hard drive and the console had a hot swappable port so we used them like cartridges that would be great. I shouldn’t need internet access to play a game by myself. But with the current fuckery, the disc just holds part of the game right, and you have to download the rest of the game when you put it in the console.
DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
You can also use that license thatvomes on that disc and transfer it and sell it or trade it to someone else if you choose.
That choice is being taken away.
mesamunefire@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
If you vote with your wallet, it just means those richer than you have a bigger vote.
Teilzeitlaurer@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
Sorry, I’m not sure what your comment is supposed to point out exactly. Are you saying boycotting is pointless because there are other people giving them a lot more money than you anyway? I mean it would still cut into their profit
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Are richer people buying 12 copies of a game?
Katana314@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Kinda; that’s often the reason you see $120 SuperDeluxe editions of games, where the protagonist’s pants have a bit of purple trim. Or $20 “boosts” that skip the first 3 levels (which you’d get by playing two matches)
It’s very much an artifact of wealth consolidation.
DaleGribble88@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
In some sense yeah, I’ve heard from some of my more affluent friends buying multiple copies for different platforms. For example, I know someone with at least 4 different copies of GTA-V
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
the “choice” was shoved down your throats
Phoenix3875@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“You chose digital.”
Chooses DRM-free, piracy otherwise
“Not like that!”
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Exactly. DRM is a far bigger problem than physical/digital. Fortunately GOG is a solution to it. Stop buying games with DRM.
Katana314@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That can be another problem: Just like digital, people choose DRM.
There’s only a small crowd that actually makes things like Denuvo single issue; the huge majority of the PC crowd sees they can still play DRM locked games at decent performance, as soon as they buy them, and even play them offline on their Steam Decks. So it’s hard to demonstrate a salient point to them that DRM is bad.
“Means you can play the game anywhere” - They already can, though!
KaChilde@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Companies offer games as a digital download or physical disc.
Consumers buy physical disc out of a desire to preserve media.
Game is unplayable off the disc without a 98GB download that installs a digital copy of the game onto the hardware. Disc is essentially a physical license to play the game and is useless otherwise.
“You chose this”
Fuck right off. At this point, if a game isn’t either available on GoG or as a FitGirl RePack, it does not register as an option for me anymore. That is my choice.
flandish@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
and seems like ppl don’t realize the disc being the license means when the dig store removes the dig licenses it’ll also remove the versions that apply to that 98gb update for a disc license.
mEEGal@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What we want is DRM-free games, not your bullshit
Fucking morons
danielfm123@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I had a PS4, witch was sold and didn’t have coonsole for years. Then I got a PS5 and my account was deleted with all my purchases.
That didn’t happen to my steam games.
Noite_Etion@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Agree with your point, but why did you own a witch, and why did you sell her?
/s
musubibreakfast@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Because of the coonsole. (that’s necromancer slang for raccoon soul)
MrNesser@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
He isn’t wrong how many people here buy from steam - it’s rare if ever you get a physical release of a game on steam.
Now physical rights vs digital are the issue;
Buying a physical item means you own it and can use it whenever you want.
Buying a digital item means you buy the license to use that item. That’s a concept that’s been around for software purchasing for a very long time.
People want to own the digital item the same as the physical and not have the license pulled when a publisher decides to. Sony just doesn’t have the trust of the gaming community for this.
FatVegan@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
To be fair, physical media has been dead before the whole sony debacle. What’s the pint of ownjng something like cyberpunk when you own the release version?
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
GOG, you buy it and can use it whenever you like and its digital. Best of both.
dunyol@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Yeah, even physical pc games often just have a download key inside and no disk, and computers haven’t had disk drives for a while.
(I know you can get external ones, but even cases nowadays don’t account for the ability to have them as an internal component)
I did manage to snag a copy of House Flipper 2 for 6€ a few months ago when the lowest historical price at the time (according to IsThereAnyDeal) was in the 20s or 30s, so I’m very much in the camp of physical releases in any platform. There is much more choice for consumers, game preservation arguments notwithstanding.
bingrazer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Also a ton of games have day 1 patches that you’d need to download anyway from their servers. I don’t recall seeing standalone installers for patches like we used to have. So buying a physical copy just makes you feel good rather than actually avoiding the problem with digital copies
reksas@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
well, having a physical disk doesnt guarantee ownership. companies can still leave critical things off the disk and require you to download them when you install, or there can be some verification system. And if corporation servers go down, you still cant use it.
What we need is all the files and data we buy to be fully functional and not behind any encryption or other gate, be it digital or physical. Then make your own physical media of it or back it up whereever you want.
Katana314@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’d argue the right fight here is to reliably obtain “permanent ownership” for either kind of purchase. Anyone who bought their games digitally for the past generation and doesn’t follow gaming news (basically a silent majority of gamers) probably doesn’t even care about this ongoing disc backlash/boycott.
But highlighting things like the sudden pull of people’s owned movies, that may matter to them when applied to games.
MrNesser@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I see no reason not to pirate a game I bought digitally if it is then removed as a playable game.
I bought it spent time in it the achievements and memories tied to that game are mine and mine alone.
Auli@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Sorry your wrong physical media has always still been a license to use it.
DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
A license that can be resold or given away. Not so with digital only licenses.
BrightCandle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I bought physical disks until they were basically phased out. A large chunk of them just registered on Steam and downloaded the latest patch before they would run anyway. I have been against Steam and its DRM for a while, but everyone else chose to have no rights to their games, no ability to sell or loan them or give them to others. You will own nothing and love it.
drmoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I have no love for disks. It’s a dead technology. We should work on software ownership instead.
LilyVess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Funny. The consumer didn’t make physical media worse for the last 15 years.
Manual or at least something besides the disk: Gone Price: Same as digital despite they getting more profit from digital. Disc: half the game, other half downloads. (Not always, mind you) Game: Half baked without at least two patches.
They’ve been giving less and less with physical editions to push the more profitable digital store, and then they act shocked when no one buys physical.
Shockingly, if the only difference between physical and digital is that you need to go out of your way to pick the physical, most people will just get the digital.
Still I got my Switch games in physical so I can trade with friends.
TimothyOilypants@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
The current outrage over the shift from physical media to streaming and digital licenses is based on a massive historical misunderstanding. People treat the twentieth century as the absolute baseline for how media should work, but the era of the DVD and the cartridge was actually a historical fluke.
For thousands of years, you could not buy or own a performance. You bought a ticket to experience a play or a symphony, and the creator maintained total control over their work. John Locke argued that individuals own themselves and therefore own the labor of their bodies and minds. When a creator invests their intellect into developing software or art, it is an extension of that labor, and they possess the highest moral claim to it.
Capturing art on physical media was a technological anomaly that broke this rule and created a false sense of consumer entitlement. It birthed legal loopholes that allowed massive secondary markets to profit endlessly off a creator’s intellectual labor without compensating them beyond the very first sale. It tricked the public into confusing the ownership of a piece of plastic with the ownership of the art itself.
You do not own a creator’s code, film, or digital ecosystem, and you never did. Furthermore, modern software and digital media are not static objects like a wooden chair. They are living ecosystems that require ongoing server maintenance, security patches, and active development. Demanding perpetual, lifetime ownership of a digital service for a single upfront fee is essentially demanding forced, uncompensated ongoing labor from the development team.
The transition away from physical media is not a corporate theft of consumer rights. It is a necessary course correction back to the historical norm of the amphitheater. A digital subscription or end user license is simply a modern theater ticket. You are paying for the right to occupy the creator’s digital venue for a set period of time. The architect of the work is just finally reclaiming the moral authority to decide exactly how and when their intellectual labor is consumed.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t think the Lockean argument actually gets you where you want it to go.
Locke’s labor theory of property doesn’t just say creators own the fruits of their labor. It also says they have the right to alienate that property, to sell it, transfer it, or give it away. Once that transfer occurs, ownership changes hands. That’s the entire point of property rights.
This is where your comparison to theater performances breaks down.
A performance is inherently ephemeral. Of course you only buy admission. But books, paintings, sculptures, and other tangible works have been bought and sold for centuries. When Rembrandt sold a painting, he didn’t retain the right to dictate who displayed it, resold it, or inherited it. When someone bought a book, the author retained the copyright, but they didn’t retain ownership of that physical copy.
That’s the distinction your argument glosses over.
Physical media didn’t create some bizarre loophole that tricked consumers into believing they owned art. Copyright law has always separated ownership of a copy from ownership of the intellectual property. Buying a novel never meant you owned the copyright. It meant you owned that particular copy.
The “historical anomaly” argument doesn’t really hold either. Technology creating new forms of property isn’t evidence that those forms are somehow illegitimate. Printing presses, photography, automobiles, patents, and even digital storage all changed what could be owned. Calling something a historical anomaly doesn’t make it philosophically suspect.
Where your argument has merit is with services. An MMO, cloud software, or any product that depends on ongoing servers and continuous development is fundamentally different from a finished single-player game or a movie sitting on a disc. Those genuinely require ongoing labor.
But once you start arguing that creators retain moral authority over every copy they’ve sold forever, you’ve left Locke behind. You’re no longer defending property rights, you’re defending perpetual control after the sale. That’s a very different philosophical position, and I don’t think your conclusion follows from your premise.
PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No, I made the choice for physical. I don’t own a single digital game on a Sony console. Don’t put this on me.
Auli@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
He’s right though. The consumer has chosen sure a small minority might buy physical but the majority don’t.
Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
Friendly reminder that GOG exists and has a backlog of great games that can keep you entertained for ages. If you want to put your money where your mouth us, I suggest putting it there.
Buying the hot new thing no questions asked is how we get more of the Sonys of the world.
I agree physical games are dead, but I’m sure as shit not buying digital from anyone with a history of plucking purchased shit out of people’s libraries.
llii@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
This is what I will do. I’ll play my backlog, buy used games on disc and newer releases on gog.
missingno@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
I hate it as much as the next person here, but it was always inevitable. It was never a question of if, but when.
I know a lot of people look at physical media from a preservation angle, but in an era where games have a long tail of post-release updates and DLC, I'm not so sure they even serve that purpose anymore. If I want to replay my old games in 50 years, in many cases I probably don't just want to play the 1.0 that's on the disc. If I'm still dependent on the availability of a third-party download server to get the remaining data, do discs even still matter all that much?
Korkki@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
physical media from a preservation angle… If I want to replay my old games in 50 years
And don’t forget bitrot. The modern bluerays are scarecrow and wind chime material in like 2-3 decades after manufacturing.
Leviathan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So consumers were given the choice between physical media that you made artificially expensive and overly inconvenient or digital media that you made practically free and ultra convenient. That’s called the illusion of choice. But now you can blame your victims when you abuse them because they brought this on themselves.
nanometer1625@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
Physical media is no more expensive or inconvenient than it ever was. It’s just that you’re now comparing it to downloads, which bear no manufacturing cost and don’t require you to physically go to a store or have the media shipped to you.
sportsjorts@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Ah yes the intelligent consumer who always has a choice and is never beholden to the whims of a completely dominant supply side economy.
blartcap_@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Chet Falisek has been on a crusade to have bad contrarian takes since he left Valve. His stance on Stop Killing Games was downright stupid.
HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth 2 weeks ago
In this sense, Chet is right, the 'democracy' of consumers has prevailed, and the people have spoken. They said 'digital.' I myself have been a PC gamer for over a decade now and I can't remember the last time I bought physical media.
"You as the consumer have forced the large corporations hand, and you've told them 'Stop with retail.'"
But then Chet shows his entire rancid asshole by actively ignoring the power dynamics between corporation and customer. The corporation always has the upper hand because the customer CAN ONLY buy what the corporation is OFFERING to sell. The corporation is always, at all times, presenting the customer with a false choice. A customer who has shitty internet and has to purchase all physical media, they may be in the democratic minority but that doesn't mean we feed them to the wolves. But an ex-Valve writer wouldn't know shit about that, they haven't shipped a physical game since Portal 2. What choice did you give consumers for Counterstrike, 2023? Half Life Alyx, 2020? **Dota, 2013? **
Once you, apparently, regretted your decision to invest almost entirely in digital, you didn't start buying Crimson Desert discs while you could, nor did you abstain from making digital purchases altogether. Now it's too late, says Faliszek.
Suck my dick, clown.
greenbit@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
When all options are rigged, it’s pretty rude to blame “the consumer”
87Six@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I feel like everyone in this thread is ignoring the literal headline.
The point being made is that the consumer chose these rights-infringing, privacy-corrupting, ownership-destroying choices.
Then OF COURSE companies weaponised it.
The issue is that your average Joe doesn’t think for a damn second in his life, and picks up whatever is put down.
northendtrooper@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
People have been buying more and more physical media recently due to the enshittification of streaming. I’ve been buying blu-rays for movies I really want to ‘own’.
It just clearly not up to some people’s standards. Imagine how much more $$$ valve would make if they published physical copies for their steam machine.
graynk@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Of course the “former Valve writer” is Chet Faliszek. The dude never shuts up.
Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Bullllllshit. I have bought multiple games in the last decade that didn’t include a physical disc but a code for me to go download the digital copy.
Kekzkrieger@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
People keep pre-ordering absolutely everthing no matter the price because they need to have it the moment it comes out. THIS means companies can do whatever the fuck they want because people will let them do it.
The solution is so easy stop buying their shit. Yes you won’t play on the second it comes out 6 months later its like 50% at least.
Nothing will change because people value convenience over change.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
LOL what? This is some „your carbon footprint“ level horseshit. It‘s like saying you the consumer chose global warming or to lose your job to automation. I mean, did you choose to live near a data center that was build last month? I didn‘t think so either.
We‘re not one tightly organized mass making decisions with far reaching consequences together as consumers. Providers on the other hand practice price-fixing and lobbying in an organized manner. That‘s where I would start pointing my finger at to explain this mess.
I, the consumer are terribly powerless. Only we, the people can change these things for the better by gutting these corporations.
Jumi@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Last time I bought a disc it had just a downloader on it
billwashere@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yes it is a conspiracy. Sony doesn’t want physical games for a whole bunch of reasons not least of which is control and greed. And if you think this is a new thing you would be wrong. They have been pushing this quietly for years. Second hand sales, game rentals, trading… these are all things that cut into Sony’s profits. If you ever want a reason follow the money.
Don_alForno@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
That’s not an argument to take the same choice away from future customers.
We made the choice for mostly digital in a world where physical was still available as a fallback. That’s not the same situation as if it wasn’t. The existence of physical media and a resale market does prevent some of the worst fuckeries of an otherwise monopoly, regardless if you ever bought or sold used games.
Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I just wanna say this is my opinion.
98% of the shit we deal with. Not just game shit, but everything…all boils down to these folks with power being utter rotten puss filled cunts.
Like honestly. Fuck disc. I hate em. I love digital. But fuck me. Let it be mine. Let me mod it (without cheating in it) let me play it on any console I want. Let it be my $80 of the game to do with as I want.
Like stop being such assholes. Why do these folks gotta turn into hateful cunts cause they got money or they made a game or media or whatever the fuck.
Consumers wouldn’t be as pissed if they weren’t being fisted constantly.
bloogoose@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Baby, you keep giving them the money they use to fist you.
Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
True, but ain’t that a bit unfair for you to say? Do you not play games? Or watch stuff?
Isn’t this a “you complain yet you live in a society.” Or whatever.
I also grew up playing games. I won’t stop. And yes, while getting fisted, I’ll complain. You wouldn’t tell someone not to scream when getting attacked.
Janx@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Isn’t this literally victim-shaming? It’s not just game companies doing it, after all. What’s the alternative, to go live in the wilderness and not participate in society at all??
leave_it_blank@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s why I love gog, and it’s the only store that gets my gaming money. The games are mine, as long as I keep a backup of the installer. I can do with them what I want.
I see why the newest AAA games are a must have for younger gamers, but as an older one I now have the patience to simply wait until it releases on gog if I actually have the urge to play it.
Digital is fantastic, I miss the boxes and handbooks and feelies, but I don’t miss the discs.
MagnificentSteiner@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Other stores have DRM free games too. For example Cyberpunk 2077 is DRM free on Steam. DRM, for the most part, is forced by publishers rather than stores.
www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
You can do that with Steam games too. The ones without DRM.
And it’s the developer that chooses if they want DRM.
BruisedMoose@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
You are sufficiently old. Good job.
I always wanted Wishbringer SO BAD because it came with that damn rock.
GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
99% of games will never release on GoG no matter how old they get though, because once they’re on GoG they’re essentially free.
Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Hell yeah. Love GOG.
But for me, while I love old games, I need my new shit lol.
Like bf6 has been a gem for me. Some bugs and bullshit, but I do like it. Which, call me stupid for this but bf6 and modern battle/war games are a bit of therapy for me. I joined the Marines, got to last week of basic training, came back from team(?) Week and was told to get my shit on the front deck or whatever. Ended up I had hep c. Paperwork fell through and it wasn’t caught till I was almost done
And grant you, I wanted to “fight for America and the people in it” since I was like 7. I was 20 just outta h.s. It tore my world apart. Had to do meds and all that. Pills and injection.
Anyways. Games like battlefield or even the more serious ones like Insurgency helped me use some of the stuff I learned on my own over the years and stuff in basic to not feel like it was all a huge waste of my life.
Tl"dr I enjoy modern fps games because they help me deal with my trauma in life.
Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org 2 weeks ago
Never forget, never forgive.
charokol@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nintendo 64 games cost like $60-$80 back in the late 90s.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It was $50 before that and as high as $90 before that. $60 is kind of arbitrary, honestly.
Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If the game is honestly updated with effort and hard work I will pay $80.
I clean air bnbs, houses, condos, and all that for a living. I don’t do shit for less than $100.
I get folks gotta eat. But if you want my money for your product, it better be that good dick shit. It better be high quality and ducking finished. Not this “oh here’s we got updates coming, the game is has a roadmap.”
Like motherfucker the game can’t drive it doesn’t need a road map, it’s need to be finished.
Wanna release the unfinished version? $20. But give me user support, working graphics, good multi if it’s that game, all the bells and whistles and I’ll pay $80 if you show me you goddamn actually care for the thing you are making.
Show me the love for your product/art/work and I will gladly give you money to support you for doing something you care about. And I mean even the ceos. Have some goddamn integrity and humility for fucking once.
Sorry to rant.
TheRealKuni@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
$60 in 2007 is a bit under $100 now in terms of purchasing power. Games have essentially gone down in price.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
On console, digital only means the only market is them. That’s why this is happening, and it’s the real issue. The ownership thing is an issue too, but that’s been dead for a while, even with physical disks. Very few games worked with only the disk install and no internet, so the disk doesn’t let you play without their support anyway.
I’ve been PC only for a long time now, so I’m fine with digital only. On PC we have some choice of marketplace. Sure, (I’m probably going to get flammed for pointing this out) Valve has used their market dominance to force price parity, but it’s still better than consoles. Console players are about to get fucked, and they’re probably going to turn around and thank them for it.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
There’s nothing wrong with getting fisted.
Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No, I love fisting. But with consent.
Strider@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yep, that’s absolutely it and it doesn’t matter how it’s handled the will always be assholes. So we should go back to public measures.
Katana314@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Because people with money have the time and patience to arrange an eloquent argument to legislators.
Easy, and correct, to say “But a lot of those guys are bought and paid for.” They are, but they also need to convince the gullible representatives; the ones that want to think they’re doing the right thing, and will vote yes anytime a bill has “For Children” in the name.
But senators aren’t convinced by “Like stop being such assholes.” They need a mature, well-arranged argument that demonstrates unfairness and harm. SKG showed when it’s well-described, it can have effects.