The oil doesn’t necessarily just make a problem for your landlord. Fat/oil can clog sewers way down the line, causing problems for entire neighborhoods over time and requiring costly maintenance, which increases the costs of sewer service for everyone
Heh heh
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protist@retrofed.com 2 weeks ago
kolmaskommentoija@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
And even if it creates a problem for your landlord only, it is you, who is going to pay for it, anyway. They will not just eat the loss - why would they? - they will increase the rent even more, than they would otherwise, to cover the costs.
kevinsky@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
The whole idea of willingly causing damage somewhere and somehow not being held accountable for it because it’s not your property is wild.
If you have your landlord send a plumber do declog a drain clogged by a bunch of grease or wet wipes or some other garbage that shouldn’t go down the drain there’s no way you won’t get the bill for that where I live.
There’s renters protection but not against your own acts of misuse.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
it is you, who is going to pay for it, anyway.
Common misconception. If they could raise prices more over time, they already would. Costs are irrelevant.
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So it will affect multiple landlords? 😈
/s
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
that’s what my tax dollars pay for, damnit!
protist@retrofed.com 2 weeks ago
I can’t speak for every municipality, but where I live sewer service is definitely a portion of our water bill and is (at least mostly) not tax-funded
HollowNaught@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I got an email like two weeks ago that there had been an increase on car break-ins recently
Then when it came time to re-sign they decided to increase rent
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Nothing from stopping everyone from coming together to leave the property in mass if they increase rent.
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
except having to find a new place to move all your stuff to.
AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I just moved. it was hella expensive.
security deposit + first + last month: ~5k movers: ~850 (and don’t tell me movers are optional - my wife is disabled and I have a lot of chronic pain). uhaul rental + moving supplies: ~300
so total that’s over 6 thousand dollars. that’s the same amount as if they increased the old rent by 500$ and we lived there another year.
CannedYeet@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Don’t forget “flushable” wipes
vaionko@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Everything is flushable as long as it’s small enough to fit in the hole
Alfredo_DisguidoAlCazzo@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Very very bad for the water cleaning system (depurator?)
Atomic@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I’m just gonna say that where I live, it’s a criminal offense to pour oil down the drain.
You’re not just affecting your landlord. You’re affecting your entire neighbourhood.
Frenchgeek@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Add enough lye and it’s non longer oil. Pouring soap down the drain isn’t illegal, is it?
Atomic@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I didn’t say pouring soap down is illegal, did I?
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Got 'em.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Depends if it’s an OSSF system or municipal wastewater.
If it’s septic, it just fucks the landlord.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
If the housing market goes into the shitter…
… the renter pays less rent.
… the home “owner” still has to pay the same mortgage, and will continue to pay so they can eventually own the house (actually own it) worth a fraction of what they paid for it.
Unless you have cash on-hand to buy a house, you have to get a mortgage. So it’s actually the bank that owns the house, they just let you live there while you pay back a large debt.
The reason why houses are so expensive is because they are considered investments, not just places to live. That creates a politcal incentive to keep housing prices high because a lot of people will lose that “equity” if the price of housing decreased. Most of the benefits listed under home “ownership” centers around a house being an investment.
The boomers aren’t getting any younger, as more of them die, more houses go onto the market while the incentive for maintaining that equity for people that already own a house decreases. That “stability” thing listed as a benefit of “owning” a house may not hold true forever.
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If the housing market goes into the shitter…
… the renter pays less rent.
In nearly 30 years of renting, the rent has never gone down, regardless of what the market is doing.
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Depends on location. I had a rent drop in Knoxville once. Excess units in a bad local economy will do it.
13igTyme@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Making large principle payments significantly reduces the paid interest.
meco03211@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And the principle and interest can’t change (unless you did something like an ARM). Escrow and insurance might go up, but that won’t remotely pace inflation.
deranger@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Making small principal payments significantly reduces paid interest, nevermind large.
jj4211@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I will say that at least right now in my area, renting is actually a bit lower than the expected mortgage payment for comparable housing. However, that advantage would shift after 2-3 years as rent goes up but the mortgage would have stayed the same.
oyo@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Having an interest rate significantly lower than high yield saving account returns significantly reduces my interest in making any extra payments.
bluefootedbooby@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
But on the other hand, if market does not go to shit, the rent increases, while your mortgage stays the same, on as asset that increases in value.
Houses may be considered an investment, but at the same time they are a place to live.
And when boomers die, their house gets inherited by a family member, not just going to a ‘pool of houses’. I think the inheritor either moves in, or sells because they already have a house
FishFace@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
So it’s actually the bank that owns the house, they just let you live there while you pay back a large debt.
Ackshually you own the house, the bank just has the right to take it if you don’t keep up payments.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
You don’t really own something if someone has the right to take it away from you.
slaacaa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Exactly. I roll my eyes at the idiot home owners who are happy when real estate prices are going up. If the only real estate you own is the one your are living in, a price increase has zero benefits for you. You can sell it for a higher price, but unless you want to live on the streets, that means you buy another, which has also gone up in price. Congrats, I guess.
The only people benefiting are real estate investors, which 99% of people are not.
jj4211@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It mostly just means higher property tax.
Now there are opportunities to get better interest rates by taking a loan out on your house, but that’s depressing. It is, however, a common thing for older people who can’t live on their retirement benefits otherwise.
jj4211@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If the housing market goes into the shitter…
The owner probably still comes out ahead, no matter what.
Think of the 2008 housing crash. Must have sucked to be paying a fixed mortgage when the market went down. Except the person bought the house in 2004 and was paying the same mortgage they were then, and that’s still less than typical rent after a crash calmed things down a bit.
You don’t pay the mortgage of the house as it would sell right now, you pay the mortgage based on the purchase price that over years almost certainly trends lower. So as the landlord prices according to current market, the owner costs are largely based on the prices from years ago (except property taxes and insurance).
That’s of course assuming you have a mortgage at all, and ignoring the fact that the mortgage goes away entirely at some point.
One thing I will say where renting wins hands down is if you are going to only be there a couple of years. You probably would have needed the mortgage, the property value wouldn’t have increased by that much, and the loan origination fees, interest, and various other closing costs means you likely would lose money selling it that soon. The renter may be no worse off financially, but they are no better off then either. Except they can just leave and not worry about finding a replacement.
The boomers aren’t getting any younger, as more of them die, more houses go onto the market
Problem being that many of those houses suck. They are likely to be where there’s no housing shortage already, because no one is interested in living there. They tend to be old, and not charmingly over a hundred years old but still standing; like 50 years old with questions of asbestos and polybutylene; with dubious insulation at its best and likely decayed a bit. Terribly in need of maintenance with busted HVAC, rodent destroyed ductwork, dangerous wiring, and moldy crawlspace. Cracked foundations and sagging structures suggesting the wrong storm could just ruin it. They also tend to be relatively tiny compared to houses built in the last couple of decades. I had a boomer relative die, and what did their children manage to get for the house, after months and months on the market? $60k. We were shocked but that was actually a bit higher than houses in their area went for.
Morph9@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Pissing in the sink! Classic move
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
It’s better to piss in the sink than to sink in the piss
tomi000@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
These are all benefits of owning though. Youre gonna pay for damages when renting.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That effects everyone downstream. If you must dispose of grease without a grease trap but you don’t want to deal with like a trash bag situation: pour it into a disposable container and throw it in the trash.
Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
If it’s something like bacon grease you can just wait for it to conceal and then scooped it into trash and wipe with a paper towel.
Grostleton@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Or just pour it in an old can while warm then toss the can when it cools.
doingthestuff@lemy.lol 2 weeks ago
Or just pour it on the lawn somewhere. Don’t keep using the same spot.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I wouldn’t recommend pouring it on a lawn unless you’re handling very small amounts of near room temp grease or you know you have a lawn that has properties good for filtration. Even then I’d avoid it because dogs or animals might try to tear up the lawn.
If you have a fenced compost pile with proper cover material it shouldn’t be a problem as long as you have enough cover material (such as straw or wood chips) to absorb the grease.
Etterra@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
The benefit of renting is that when shit breaks, maintenance fixes it so that you don’t have to muddle your way through trying to replace the oven or some shit. Also you don’t have to do yard work. A good landlord is one who understand that his job is to provide housing and maintain the property, and not sit on his ass collecting passive income/hoarding wealth.
You can also up stakes and leave if something goes horribly wrong, and not repeatedly rebuild your house because of natural disasters or be stuck living next to the worst neighbor in history because you still owe $200k on the dirt you’re anchored to.
chloroken@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
There is no such thing as a good landlord. There isnjo benefit of renting in capitalism. It is strictly exploitative. Go away with your bourgeois drivel
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I lile pur landlord.
He lets me into his pool, I offer my IT skills for their upkeep.
He keeps the rent relatively low.
Everyone is more or less happy.So: You are wrong.
festus@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
This is unfortunately only true when a landlord fixes things beyond the absolute bare minimum (massive globs of caulk on caulk everywhere is my experience).
blarghly@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
EmilieEasie@fedinsfw.app 2 weeks ago
If you’ve ever had to buy and sell a house, it’s a real pain in the ass. If you’re not really sure about a city yet, renting for a year makes more sense than buying, especially if you’re sure you want to stay longer than a hotel would make sense
Ummm that’s the only situation I can think of where it’s not just the picture on the right
Apytele@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Also if you have no intention of staying in the city at all. If I take a 12 week contract it would be ridiculous to stay in a hotel for all 3 months.
13igTyme@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Maybe depends on the contact. I’ve seen travel contracts for healthcare where they’ll sometimes put you in a hotel and cover the cost.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Stop treating your home like an investment. Can only end badly
Ibaudia@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If only this were true we probably wouldn’t have a housing supply crisis.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean, individually it’s just a poor investment choice.
The modern housing supply crisis is definitely egged on by a handful of mega-funds that can snap up houses en mass at prices which are already inflated. I’m living next to an aspiring AirBnB landlord’s newest acquisition as I speak. Very unlikely she’s coming out ahead after a year of renting relative to just holding NVIDIA or Tesla. She’s definitely not getting any extra houses under her belt at this rate.
But I might suggest that the “supply crisis” is much more an “unemployment crisis”, as the gross supply of housing isn’t in shortage. It’s the location of the housing, relative to the centers of new commerce. Case in point, Elon Musk is dumping billions of dollars into Bastrop, to rapidly develop an area that’s been overgrazed farmland for centuries. Then, when neighborhoods in Cincinnati and Detroit and even San Antonio have a relative glut of saleable real estate. The… ethnic composition of Bastrop has provided a level of appeal. But so has the pliability of the local government, which has historically been run by libertarian dipshits who spend all their time complaining about the neighboring Austin, TX college kids and granola crunching hippies. Now he’s standing up his own little Network State of employee-exclusive bars, storefronts, and housing stocks, while driving long-time residents out with the sudden flood of noise and traffic.
Big investors and employers are engaged in all sorts of regulatory arbitrage and capital flight, often for very shortsighted ego-stroking gains, in order to secure an ideological end goal rather than a profitable business model. The end result is massive shiny new suburban development sometimes directly neighboring areas blighted by economic neglect. People complaining about skyrocketing housing costs who live spitting distance from some of the cheapest real estate available, entirely because of modern day redlining and private segregation.
mbp@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
My landlord must be in shambles
Alkali@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
How so?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What @gaiussabinus said.
But the math of it is two-fold. Firstly - unless you’re deeply in the know - you’re always going to do better putting money into an ETF than real estate. Especially true since COVID, when the market’s been doing 20-30% annually. Secondly - the real financial benefit of home ownership is the locked-in mortgage rate, with some knock-on benefits when you make capital improvements that pay off against utilities or transportation costs long term.
The cost of flipping a home is enormous - easily 3-6% of the house’s sell-value - so the people who benefit the most from turnover tend to be the real estate agents not the homeowners. And the risk that you’ve bought into a flat or deflating mortgage market far outweighs the anticipated returns from short term housing flips (unless, again, you’re already a real estate agent who can eat the administrative cost of title transfers).
As a general rule, you want to buy a house with a mortgage note you can afford, keep it in good repair to minimize utilities, and then simply enjoy the fact that you don’t have a landlord threatening to raise your rents every year. Minimizing future outlays, not speculating on the future value, makes owning a home an attractive financial decision.
gaiussabinus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Loses value, maintenance, tax burden, regulatory over sight. It is a liability and always pencil it in as a liability. Only the land holds value. If you don’t live in it, its not worth it.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
If the furnace goes out its the landlord who pays - Renting
If the furnace goes out you are out $1000s - Home Owner
Only one I can think of is the cost of fixing shit.
platypode@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Counterpoint: the landlord is paying with your rent money.
Comrade_Spood@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
Plus, that is assuming your landlord follows through in a timely manner. Plenty of examples of landlords being assholes and procrastinating or outright refusing to repair essential things. Even if you (are able to) take them to court, that takes additional time.
TootSweet@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You’re still out just as much
And then some. The landlord’s profit.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Unless you have enough cash to buy a house, the bank is making a profit margin on the mortgage.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
It would be cool if you could run a coop where you all paid in the amortized cost of repairs on a schedule and if an incident happened before expected you withdraw the cash and keep paying in after.
But this would get abused on both ends by fraudulent claims and petty managers. You’d have to be very selective.
CannedYeet@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If we’re talking a major cost, the landlord will probably amortize it over a long period, so if you’re only renting a short period you won’t pay for it all.
rImITywR@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Windows, radiators and water heater are 30+ years old and heat has to be on full blast 24/7 to keep the place above 20C in the winter, and multiple window AC units are required to keep the place below 30C in the summer. Landlord pays nothing to update, and renter keeps paying huge energy bills, and being uncomfortable the whole time. - renting
Homeowner spends a few grand to buy efficient furnace, central AC, and windows and saves money on energy bills every month and upgelrades pay for themselves while staying nice and comfy. - home owner
undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 2 weeks ago
Amen. I’m the renter in the shitbox that’s always too fucking hot or too fucking cold.
bloogoose@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
What an awful take. Capitalism has really done a number on folks.
unitedwithme@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
If the landlord doesn’t cheap out at all and “fix it” with some ransom guy he knows
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Landlords are kidnapping handymen now. This is where we’re at.
henfredemars@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
My landlord can pay less for repairs than homeowners through agreements with repair providers and their own hired service people.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I did this ONE time. It smelled so bad. I’m lucky it didn’t clog the drain.
dismay3915@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Jokes aside. What do you do with the oil?
rmuk@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Store it in the balls.
exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Throw it in the trash.
People talk about recycling and that makes a difference for restaurants, but at home quantities? Just put it in the trash.
HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub 2 weeks ago
I mean… people treat badly everything that is theirs only for a time. Renters and their flats, leasers and their cars, politicians and their countries, borrowers and the tools, leaseholders and the fields…
henfredemars@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Your primary residence is a poor investment for several reasons, but the biggest concern is that the investment is not properly diversified.
All that money behind a single home, in a single location, subject to the local regulations, neighbors, climate conditions etc. carries significant idiosyncratic risk that is not compensated for by a corresponding risk premium. You are not paid for taking on avoidable and unnecessary risks, like betting on just one home, when institutional investors can own thousands and diversify away those investment-specific risks. You accept a much higher variance in outcomes for no additional expected value.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Really all of those benefits depend on the location, market, and if it’s in an HOA.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
it has become common practice among people with septic tanks, be them owners or renters, to pour enough grease down their drains to cause a buffer layer to form between their effluent waters and their poop pilings. most septic servicers have even recommended it. so the right-hand picture isnt as bad as it seems. unless youre on city sewer ;)
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Hmmm. So renters are stupid and lazy.
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
A furry rabbit singing: POURIN’ HOT OIL, DOWN THE SINK. POURIN’ HOT OIL, DOWN THE SINK. LANDLORD’S PUSHED ME TO THE BRINK. SO I’M POURIN’ HOT OIL DOWN THE SINK” credit KewKoh@feralmills.com