Submitted 5 weeks ago by Patnou@lemmy.world to [deleted]
A complete overhaul of the electoral process that allowed fascists to gain complete control.
A complete overhaul of the society that became so sick that they willingly put the fascists there. Twice.
A complete overhaul of the elittest pedophile bi/trillionaire class that has unfettered control over every branch of state and federal government and meddles in foreign affairs across the globe.
In short: The USA would need to be torn down and rebuilt.
you left out a complete overhaul of the “justice” system that allowed a convicted fucking felon to not only avoid any consequence whatsoever, but attain to the most powerful position in the world. it’s absolutely mind-boggling
The silver(ish) lining is that he is actively reducing how much power that position actually has in the world. Our soft power has been demolished.
The fact you guys are still treating Trump as a “one off” is wild.
To the rest of the world that’s the image of Americans, for decades now.
That is something Americans don’t really understand. Trump has pushed the envelope but he isn’t as much of an outlier as many Americans would like to believe. His incompetence and arrogance make it easy to see how awful he is but his agenda is the regular American agenda with some more guardrails removed. They don’t seem to notice that their Senate, Congress and Supreme Court have mainly supported him with exceedingly little pushback.
The biggest difference between Trump and his predecessors is that Trump is not pretending.
Regan, Bush, Clinton, the other Bush, Obama, Biden, they all bomb whoever they want, kill whoever they want, support Israel’s genocidal policy, interfere in another country elections, … all those bad things that Trump are not hiding.
For the rest of the world it’s business as usual but this time not behind closed doors.
To trust Americans was and it is impossible.
Yeah, he’s just the worst version of asshole that started with Nixon.
US citizen living abroad. Not going to happen in one presidential term and the US has probably permanently fucked itself in terms of special currency/status/soft power ever getting back to the level it was.
Gaining trust starts with accountability. People who have abused their position of power need appropriate punishment and be made to pay for the damage they have done.
We have taken a “let’s just move on” strategy too often in the past. The American people aren’t going to buy it this time.
As far as trust for America the country is concerned, holding guilty parties accountable will help that too, but mostly what it will take is time.
So… no, trust will never be gained back. /S
I’m not expecting that it will. American politicians don’t have a great record in that area.
No, the age of America is over.
The Trump preaidencies aren’t a radical break from the past, he’s just an unveiling of it’s darkest, ugliest, impulses and the logical conclusion of its ideals.
Maybe European mainstream leaders can convince themselves to get back into bed with US imperialism, as we benefit from it so much, but US in the eyes of the people never recovered post Iraq II, and across the whole world the US is now primarily seen as the demagogic bully that it is.
The US must learn to get along with its neighbours and treat other nations and people with respect.
Even if a completely sane, smart, and wonderful president were elected, and every country loved them, why would they trust us? We are always one crazy election away from… well, this.
New Nuremberg trials for all in, and allies propping up, the former regime
Transparent audit of everything trump broke and real-time checklist of process to restore critical needs, prioritizing human lives.
A lasting and appropriate punishment for trump himself
Recovering the funds to do all of the above from trump and complicit billionaires in the private sector - starting with musk for his own crimes against humanity.
A job corp to employ all of the AI layoffs, similar to the New Deal’s Civilian Conservation Corps. Needs a healthy vetting to avoid left over trump chuds
Expand the Supreme Court
End Citizens United
All trump appointees, in all positions, are removed from offices immediately. If not convicted in new Nuremberg trials, they can still reapply for positions and be consists as any other
The demolished east wing will be rebuilt as a simple building and used as a museum to the attrocities that trump committed and the people and institutions that enabled him. An artist will be commissioned to design a pitch black facade, perhaps in the shape of the old building. It should look out of place and awkward, and stand forever as a sort of black eye on America. To show how the nation was injured and not cover it up. There will be legislation to perpetually fund the museum and make admission free to all.
The future will require a simple understanding - there was not an equivalency here, no two valid sides. The was objective wrong and right. No more pretending
Trump-appointed Supreme Court judges can be removed by a single person. They need to be at the right place at the right time and have a good kit and aim. While this could physically undo the appointments, it would decrease the trust in the country’s safety, as all assasinations do.
Considering we have concentration camps and death squad paramilitary police forces that have on record conducted what are effectively summary executions… decreasing trust in the country’s safety would simply be a course correction of public perception.
There are legislative bodies that exist precisely for changing such laws. Make an exceptional law that is valid for only this one time use and then hire new judges, some of which are allowed to be among the ones fired.
Do you mean within the US or trust internationally?
The rest of the world has begrudgingly let the US dominate world commerce, culture, and morality. Now they’re realizing how much of their own identity they’ve given away, and are struggling to recover from it. Critically, even if the US ever gets their shit together again, nobody else wants to go back to the same relationship they had. We’ve been forced out of an abusive relationship, and now we’re free.
And here I am, stuck living in the one country in the world that’s only getting closer to the US: Israel. I pray that by the end of the next decade or three, when the dust settles, we’ll be closer to Europe instead, as we’ve been in the past. But that seems practically impossible.
Sigh maybe I’ll move to Europe. I’d probably fit in better culturally.
Ouch. Good luck man!
Simple: refrain from doing any stupid shit for half a century. any stupid shit will kick the timer backwards 70℅ of the elapsed time.
(There really is no other way)
This. Trust is a function of time and commitment. Especially time. Easy to lose hard to gain
That’s the care of symbol, not %. No idea why it’s so prominent on Android System Keyboard.
Oh, thanks for the heads-up! I edited the comment now. And know to be careful with this in the future!
Interesting. My stock pixel keyboard has ℅ as an alternate long press to %. In SwiftKey, the alternate is ‰ while c/o seems to be nowhere to be found. I didn’t know I had either available as long press q from the main keyboard group is just % and nothing else (some keys have multiple alternates, like long press x shows $ but also has ¢£₹¥€, for example)
Germany was forgiven much faster than 50 years.
Yeah, that’s true. Although, not by much. I remember that in 1990’s there was still plenty of distrust towards them, as they were seen as nazis. Nobody wanted Germany to become strong. The 1990’s began 45 yeqrsnafter WWII had ended, and while the trust had been almost recovered, it was still not intact. I’m not sure if it’s even now: Germany is the biggest reason we didn’t support Ukraine militarily as much as needed back in spring 2022. They wanted cheap gas and were ready to accept horrors in the name of political realism. It’s hard at least for me to not see a connection between that cynicism and what the same cynicism led to in 1920’s and 1930’s.
Well, shall we split up the USA for 50 years for starters?
Prosecute traitors immediately.
Help install safeguards so this me er happens again. Like for presidential nominess for secretary of defense or education. Only select people who work in that field and with knowledge of the job can nominate people for consideration and the president can only hire this nominated
the problem is the abuse of power. you won’t gain back trust by abusing power. this thinking is the reason it won’t happen
Actually I don’t care I want revenge
I know it’ll never happen, but I’d like to add 7. All presidents will be forced to live at the poverty level after their term is over for the rest of their life. No rich friends, no stocks or businesses.
We’d get UBI real quick after that.
All politicians and supreme court judges, not just presidents ideally.
3 while your heart is in the right place would cause so much harm to innocent people that frankly you might as well just fucking start beating people with a bat at random. You would do less harm.
5m is NOT a lot of money depending on how you cut it. Hell my family has roughly 6.3 million because of the house we all live in and have lived in for 100 years. Because it was built by my great grandfather and maintained and expanded by every generation.
Most of my family is currently loving pay check to pay check. And the rest only barely better then that. Taking away private property just based on a random amount of money owned is unreason, fucked up, and WILL get people killed due to how hard that can and will destabilize entire families.
4 is flat out retarded. Every country on fucking earth has a international division of their government. Your actively a dipshit that understands nothing if you think that’s remotely a reasonable let alone even a good idea.
Better oversight? Sure, disband? Actually a bleach drinking take.
For sure everyone in that list should get mandatory 5 years for just being on the list. More if there’s other instances.
For sure, lobbyists need to be gone period.
I don’t honestly think you could rewrite the Constitution and have it be impartial in the slightest. Maybe if you pulled 100+ random Americans and put them in a room for a year with no outside contact. There’s no politician that isn’t bought already that should do it.
Oh, a revolution!
I like the energy but historically it usually gets way worse… the killing never seem to end, and if you get a death/life sentence nobody would want to be a politician. That’s a known problem.
What about putting the power in the hands of everyday people? Like representative democracy?
Next? This is gonna be a generational problem. Once trust is broken you can’t buy it back.
Exactly. There was a chance to win back trust after the orange idiots first term, but now that the US has shown it is willing to make the same stupid mistake again, no matter what the next president does, there’s always the possibility of another idiot ruining everything after that. only chance is for the American people to stop being 50:50 split and take a clear stance against fascists.
Only speaking for myself, the following are necessary, but not sufficient:
I have suggestions if they want to get serious on Day 2, as well.
Start by rolling back every shit executive order Trump made.
Make it safe for us Canadian to go on vacation in the USA again.
Prosecute Trump’s entire cabinet.
Within America would be pretty easy, you just have to listen to your constituent demands and acknowledge them publicly with proper respect. Like how Mamdani was literally the only candidate who wasn’t shilling for Israel and actually explained his policy which people wanted.
Internationally, lol it was already down the gutter post WWII. Kind of hard to realive foreign leaders you already assasinated.
Arrest every single notable trump cabinet member and media dicksuck. Then investigate everything trump touched and prosecute it all. Investigate all the tech companies. I would need to see multiple CEO level people being put in a jail cell to even begin to regain some trust. They need to regulate their fucking monopolies and enforce some anti trust and clean up their broadcast regulation. It cannot be the case that these people can go online and spread the most insane lies over and over without punishment.
Clarify their position on the world stage and if Trumps actions were contrary to that then they need to diplomatically bridge that gap. Rejoin the climate accords, rejoin nato and apologize to the world.
Then I would be open to eventually re trusting them.
first they need to break up ellisons monopolys on media companies.
Sorry for the wall of text, but I’ve been thinking a lot about what we would have to do to redeem America in the eyes of its citizens, the world, and history. In order to do that, MAGA must be fully crushed, and purged from our government and society. Nothing less is acceptable.
First of all, MAGA must be dealt with as the ongoing National Security Threat that it genuinely is. They are responsible for a violent Insurrection, and the theft of hundreds of classified documents, as well as breath-taking corruption, that they don’t even bother to hide. They are a treasonous organization that must be treated like the Nazis or the KKK, and essentially prohibited from existing. Their leaders should be arrested and imprisoned for their crimes.
In addition, the election fraud from the 2024 election must be exposed, and the Trump administration declared invalid. That will roll back ALL EOs, legislation, appointments, SCOTUS decisions, etc. It will be like the second Trump administration didn’t exist.
And that includes his Pardons, which are all criminal cover ups. ALL Trump pardons are invalid, and those criminals have to return to serve out their sentences. Anyone who doesn’t voluntarily surrender, will be charged with escape, and get another decade attached to their sentence with no time off for good behavior or parole. Every pardon will be investigated, and anyone found to have paid a bribe of any kind, will get additional charges, as well as anyone who facilitated the payments, such as family members, accountants, lawyers, politicians, etc.
Anyone involved in the January 6 insurrection will be declared prohibited from holding public office, per the 14th Amendment, Section 3. Anyone who amplified the Big Lie that the 2020 election was stolen, the primary motivation of the Insurrection, is complicit, and is prohibited from public office. If you EVER said that Trump won the 2020 election, and/or the Democrats stole it, then you were an active participant in the Insurrection, and you can’t hold office. If you are in a debate, and you are asked who won the 2020 election, and you say Trump, you are instantly disqualified. If you were instrumental in planning or organizing the Insurrection, then it’s life in prison.
That includes every single person who spoke at the rally just before the Insurrection. Remember that video of them all in the backstage tent before the rally? Every single one of those people should serve life prison sentences. They were laughing and partying, as they honestly thought they were launching a violent attack that would result in the deaths of numerous politicians, including the VP, and the end of our democratic government, so they could install Trump as dictator for life. The very top leaders should be publicly executed.
With all those MAGAs instantly out of office due to 14A, and MAGAs not allowed to ever hold office, it will take a while for whatever new conservative party organizes (the Republicans were just the larval stage of MAGA, so they’re dead, too), and starts to run candidates that qualify under 14A/S3, and anti-MAGA laws. That gives the Dems the opportunity to pass all sorts of legislation to get America on a decent moral path into the future. Part of it will be laws that codify certain rights that conservatives have tried to suppress, like reproductive rights, immigrant rights, workers rights, etc.
And we have to pass strong anti-corruption laws, and that starts by changing the way we treat wealth in this country. Sociopathic Oligarchs have untreated OCD Hoarding syndrome, which manifests as financial hoarding, and it is become bad enough that it is having serious detrimemtal impacts on the majority of the citizens of the WORLD. We can’t do anything about it in other countries, but we can certainly change things on America.
If someone was hoarding cats, or rusty old appliances, etc, to the point that it was affecting the lifestyles and property values of their neighbors, the authorities would step in and end it. We need to do that with financial hoarders. We need to confiscate their hoards, and redistribute it. Just like all those cats need to find nice families, we can find better uses for that Sociopathic Oligarch money.
The wealthy think we serve them, and we have to make them understand that they keep their wealth at the pleasure of the people, and the minute that wealth is not serving the people, it will be entirely confiscated, and the Sociopathic Oligarch will be imprisoned. Further, their family will be prevented from accessing public assistance, scholarships, etc. They will be officially destitute.
Sociopathic Oligarchs who have already egregiously violated the public trust (Trump, of course, Musk, Theil, Ellison, Bezos, Zuckerfuck, etc.) will have their entire hoards fully confiscated immediately, and their fortunes used to rebuild America, and provide the seed funding for social programs like free healthcare, daycare, college/trade school, UBI, etc.
Wealth will be HEAVILY taxed, not work. Workers under a certain income will pay no income tax, that will be covered by the wealthy and corporations. Anyone found to hiding wealth in offshore/ foreign banks, will have their entire hoard confiscated, and they will be imprisoned.
We will no longer fund ANYTHING for capitalists. They can pay for what they want. No more stadiums, no more tax breaks, nothing but heavy taxes on your profits, AND your personal revenue. We pay for services for the people FIRST, and whatever is leftover can be allocated to the military and such, but not one penny will ever go to billionaires or they corporations.
It is also imperative that we pass strong Campaign Finance Reform, which is the single issue from which ALL other issues flow. We must prohibit money in campaigns, and tightly regulate them regarding length, and campaign language. The kind of lies and rhetoric we heard from Trump will result in immediate disqualification from the campaign.
And to prevent this all from happening again 50 years in the future, the educational curriculum will be created and administered by the Federal government. 2+2=4, CAT spells cat in every state, we don’t need 50 different curriculums. That just allows Red states to teach treasonous, racist propaganda. The new curriculum will have a strong emphasis on Critical Thinking Skills, including how to recognize and reject propaganda. It will also teach proper history, including Slavery and the Native American Genocide, with an emphasis on acknowledging those atrocities so that they can’t happen again.
All of this can be done without running afoul of our laws or the Constitution, it just takes the political courage and will to do it. The American people want it, we just have to force our political representatives to do what they are told, and to do that, we have to make them fear us. If you have Dem in the House or Senate who is a cowardly weenie, vote them out in the primary, in favor of an angry reformer. Let’s send a bunch of pissed off Democrats to DC to kick ass in BOTH parties.
This is the most thought out take I’ve seen and it makes me angry it won’t happen
Fix the American government, education system, and legal system.
Thanklessly.
It won’t be fixed in one term, probably not two, maybe see it start to work a decade after they leave office.
It’s going to take years to earn back trust, but no matter what happens, America will never have the power it used to have.
It’s going to have to be a decades long process. Which is probably why it won’t happen, because we’ll need a consistent restraint and level headedness over multiple presidencies. Which won’t happen, best case scenario is a Democrat wins the next two and then the replaced by Republican who is just going to be Trump part 2. It will never recover.
Severe and thorough retribution.
Republicans MUST pay.
Remember maga chanting lock her up with Hilary? Time to return the favor.
Except let’s not be bitches about it like they were. Let’s actually do it.
Head down to the Winchester, have a pint and let it all blow over.
In all seriousness, this is irreparable damage that will take more than a few terms to put right, that’s even if you have an administration that is willing to make amends. The entirety of this administration needs purging. Every single one, from the supreme court, to the FBI, CIA…anyone with any links or support for the current leeches in power.
When France and Germany did not follow the US under G. W. Bush into Iraq in 2003, the language used did not differ significantly from the language about not following the US into the Straight of Hormuz.
Obama had SOOO MUCH to make up for and wasn’t able to rehabilitate the image of the US… and then everything got EVEN WORSE!
You’ve been like this AT LEAST since Regan. Trump is not the cause, he is a SYMPTOM of a sickness that has festered for AT LEAST 45 years, not only in your politics but in american society.
I imagine it’ll take about the same amount of time to change the american people back into a nation that can be respected instead of feared and loathed.
Trump is nothing, he’s unimportant in the grand scheme of things. The real enemy is the mindset of a majority (republican or democrat) of americans.
Trump is nothing, he’s unimportant in the grand scheme of things
The USA isn’t the way it is because Trump is the president, Trump is president because of the way the USA is…
That sickness has festered ever since Lincoln’s assassination derailed Reconstruction, and allowed Confederate humiliation to simmer for 150 years
As a unitedstatesian: I genuinely do not believe the trust we’ve squandered with parts of the world that (previously) didn’t mind us / considered us allies is going to be recovered in my lifetime. Our idiocy has put far too many things in motion that are going to have irrevocable consequences for the very long term. For instance: just today, the US is apparently considering suspending Spain for disrupting operation Epstein Fury, despite the fact that there is absolutely no mechanism within the NATO charter to unilaterally do that to Spain.
Yeah, the USA had the momentum after WW2, and they just lost it.
So, basically one NATO member is saying that it will not honour its commitments if Spain ever gets attacked?
And maybe this means that all official documents will have to be delivered to the Spanish by some other NATO member state?
A suspension that suspenses nothing. Hooray.
put current administartion in jail to a man, abolish both parties, start extensive campaign rooting out the corruption and influence of the rich from your country. 2/3 of those at least.
No, they’ve lost it. Europe will turn to themselves and everyone else will turn to China. America’s never getting this back.
Bet a bunch will rally around Europe.
… would be a good start.
Those are things Congress and/or the states would need to do—the president can’t (and shouldn’t) make Constitutional amendments.
Not disagreeing but how would you make a modern constitution without pissing off alot of people who see it as a historical artifact for all time?
The constitution is a living document designed to be amended.
You don’t. The US can’t be fixed until the people want it to be fixed. And right now they don’t.
That’s a corner Americans painted themselves into.
Arrest and convict everyone involved with the Epstein administration. Cede the power that was grabbed by the executive branch under that administration and create laws preventing it from happening again. Push for impeachments of three supreme court justices that have abused the shadow docket.
I’ve been thinking about it. It’s not good enough to say “Sorry, last guy was a dipshit.” Especially since the majority of people in the US think he is a dipshit right now.
I think we would need to remove said dipshit from power, and prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law. Then remove anyone who knew he was a dipshit and had responsibility to say/do something about it, and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law where appropriate. Then find anyone that supported the dipshit in exchange for favors from the dipshit, and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
After all that, then we need to get laws in place that prevent this kind of dipshittery from happening again. Specifically, we need heavy penalties for election campaign finance and ethics violations. Ranked choice voting seems like a pretty good way to prevent us from having to a choose between the two least likeable assholes in the country to lead us. Big money needs to be out of politics, remove Cirizens United, remove the ability of corporations to make campaign contributions, and maybe even make campaign finances be paid out of a government fund where each a candidate gets an equal amount.
Once we’ve removed the dipshits, and prevented the possibility of a dipshit getting elected again, the last ingredient for this redemption recipe is time. People aren’t just going to forget what has happened. We need to demonstrate consistent stability and sanity in both our foreign and domestic politics for at least a decade or two.
I don’t think all of this will happen TBH. A more realistic redemption is a complete restructure of the United States, and probably a separation into a few different countries, varying in sanity from a solarpunk future state to the religious-zealot-lead redneckistan.
Yeah the behavior of the Democratic party makes it clear that they will take down the empire before permitting any reform.
Somehow they are always one vote short!
And they’re also all in their fucking 80s.
I don’t think the Democrats can be reformed until the Republicans party is eliminated, or ranked choice voting is enacted nation-wide.
We can’t take risks on more progressive candidates when a loss results in a literal child-raping Nazi getting elected instead.
This isn’t a “no, you’re wrong” rebuke, but a “yes, but first…” agreement.
That would be a good start. Continue with fixing your country, and be nice to those outside your borders. Even the US cannot survive on its own.
eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Can’t be done by the next us president.
This is gonna be decades.
SuiXi3D@fedia.io 5 weeks ago
I doubt we’ll ever recover from this.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
Depends. I’m sure Cascadia and ColonialUSA will make and keep friends, but the central states far less so.
It all depends how they re-organize after the country is split in 4.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Yeah, goodwill is like love, trust and a very expensive porcelain Ming vase.
Once broken, you can’t go back.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Unless, things get so fucked that it results in multiple landslide elections for the opposing party. If they had a supermajority in every branch, they could practically rewrite it all from scratch.
Impronoucabl@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
That’s still not enough. Even if you rewrite the rules, you need to show that the opposing side also supports the same rules.
Hence the end of rules-based order.
K1nsey6@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
There is no opposing party in the US
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
American Democrats can’t even save the USA, way less rebuild the goodwill with the rest of the world, IMO.
scarabic@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
It’ll take decades to make up for completely but what can the next president do to regain some trust?
eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
The US needs to look inward and figure out how to reconstruct itself, or it needs to balkanize and let the theocratic feudal states and the oligarchic surveillance states destroy themselves and their populations in their own ways.
The existing political system is shot top to bottom, complete regulatory capture, corrupted judiciary, masked secret police black bagging and executing people on the street, wasted idiots in charge of state, defense, and health…
USA needs to stop worrying about how to impress the girl at the club and think about how to stop hurting themselves and others before they even think about relationships again.
Just in the last year the US has systematically threatened and insulted every country in the world, and most world leaders individually (except NK, RU, IR, of course). And the US is still making things worse for the entire planet, proudly and defiantly. And the next president will continue this way of behaving because ALL US PRESIDENTS do now.
Asking this question is like a bully asking the kid to forgive him while continuing to punch him.
It’s kind of insulting to the other people.