What would the next pres of USA have to do to gain back trust for America? Hold a televised event saying the last person was just a fuck up?

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• Lehmuusa@nord.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  Simple: refrain from doing any stupid shit for half a century. any stupid shit will kick the timer backwards 70℅ of the elapsed time.

  (There really is no other way)

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  • ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    That’s the care of symbol, not %. No idea why it’s so prominent on Android System Keyboard.

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• Bytemeister@lemmy.world ⁨40⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  I’ve been thinking about it. It’s not good enough to say “Sorry, last guy was a dipshit.” Especially since the majority of people in the US think he is a dipshit right now.

  I think we would need to remove said dipshit from power, and prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law. Then remove anyone who knew he was a dipshit and had responsibility to say/do something about it, and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law where appropriate. Then find anyone that supported the dipshit in exchange for favors from the dipshit, and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.

  After all that, then we need to get laws in place that prevent this kind of dipshittery from happening again. Specifically, we need heavy penalties for election campaign finance and ethics violations. Ranked choice voting seems like a pretty good way to prevent us from having to a choose between the two least likeable assholes in the country to lead us. Big money needs to be out of politics, remove Cirizens United, remove the ability of corporations to make campaign contributions, and maybe even make campaign finances be paid out of a government fund where each a candidate gets an equal amount.

  Once we’ve removed the dipshits, and prevented the possibility of a dipshit getting elected again, the last ingredient for this redemption recipe is time. People aren’t just going to forget what has happened. We need to demonstrate consistent stability and sanity in both our foreign and domestic politics for at least a decade or two.

  I don’t think all of this will happen TBH. A more realistic redemption is a complete restructure of the United States, and probably a separation into a few different countries, varying in sanity from a solarpunk future state to the religious-zealot-lead redneckistan.

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• Alsjemenou@lemy.nl ⁨43⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  This is a downfall, you guys haven’t even reached the lowest point yet. You already talk about getting back up. This is what’s great about America. But the real answer is: Trump isn’t alone and was openly racist, misogynistic, dumb and indecent about it all. It’s the fact that he was able to even start considering a career in politics that needs to be addressed.

  Showering the world with gifts and promises isn’t going to change anything. If we’re all just waiting for the next fucker to arrive. You have to do something far more substantial like giving up veto rights, or something stupid like that. Which would be completely idiotically desperate lost-the-war type of concessions in peace time.

  The fact of the matter is that this isn’t going to happen and all the world can hope for is that things calm down and the internal temsions in the country come to a conclusion the world can support.

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• Hegar@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  It just won't happen. Our institutions are weak and very subject to outside influence. Everyone in the world can see it.

  If our corrupt oligarchs allow an election, the next president will still have to deal with their financial power, the private electronic surveillance state they control, their overwheming control of our very corrupt court system, etc.

  If the dems were interested in fixing the problem it would take focused effort over multiple terms. The dems are not interested in fixing the problem. This is just who we are as a nation-state.

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• reksas@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  put current administartion in jail to a man, abolish both parties, start extensive campaign rooting out the corruption and influence of the rich from your country. 2/3 of those at least.

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• melsaskca@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Just start treating people with kindness and respect and show that your word is your bond. That’s it. The rest takes time, like any healing does.

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  • Lehmuusa@nord.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    …and that time is about two generations. People reproduce at around age 25, so two generations are about 50 years.

    I hope other countries will heed the warning.

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• eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Can’t be done by the next us president.

  This is gonna be decades.

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  • SuiXi3D@fedia.io ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I doubt we’ll ever recover from this.

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    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Depends. I’m sure Cascadia and ColonialUSA will make and keep friends, but the central states far less so.

      It all depends how they re-organize after the country is split in 4.

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  • Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Unless, things get so fucked that it results in multiple landslide elections for the opposing party. If they had a supermajority in every branch, they could practically rewrite it all from scratch.

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    • Impronoucabl@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      That’s still not enough. Even if you rewrite the rules, you need to show that the opposing side also supports the same rules.

      Hence the end of rules-based order.

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    • K1nsey6@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      There is no opposing party in the US

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• RoddyStiggs@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Severe and thorough retribution.

  Republicans MUST pay.

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  • innermachine@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Remember maga chanting lock her up with Hilary? Time to return the favor.

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• Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  That would be a good start. Continue with fixing your country, and be nice to those outside your borders. Even the US cannot survive on its own.

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• DupaCycki@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  To gain back Americans’ trust? Almost nothing.

  To gain back other countries’ trust? Quite a lot.

  To actually be a good president and make the country a reasonably decent place to live? Not realistic for one presidency.

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• Snapz@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  • New Nuremberg trials for all in, and allies propping up, the former regime

  • Transparent audit of everything trump broke and real-time checklist of process to restore critical needs, prioritizing human lives.

  • A lasting and appropriate punishment for trump himself

  • Recovering the funds to do all of the above from trump and complicit billionaires in the private sector - starting with musk for his own crimes against humanity.

  • A job corp to employ all of the AI layoffs, similar to the New Deal’s Civilian Conservation Corps. Needs a healthy vetting to avoid left over trump chuds

  • Expand the Supreme Court

  • End Citizens United

  • All trump appointees, in all positions, are removed from offices immediately. If not convicted in new Nuremberg trials, they can still reapply for positions and be consists as any other

  • The demolished east wing will be rebuilt as a simple building and used as a museum to the attrocities that trump committed and the people and institutions that enabled him. An artist will be commissioned to design a pitch black facade, perhaps in the shape of the old building. It should look out of place and awkward, and stand forever as a sort of black eye on America. To show how the nation was injured and not cover it up. There will be legislation to perpetually fund the museum and make admission free to all.

  The future will require a simple understanding - there was not an equivalency here, no two valid sides. The was objective wrong and right. No more pretending

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  • ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Trump-appointed Supreme Court judges can be removed by a single person. They need to be at the right place at the right time and have a good kit and aim. While this could physically undo the appointments, it would decrease the trust in the country’s safety, as all assasinations do.

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    • Lehmuusa@nord.pub ⁨56⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      There are legislative bodies that exist precisely for changing such laws. Make an exceptional law that is valid for only this one time use and then hire new judges, some of which are allowed to be among the ones fired.

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    • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Considering we have concentration camps and death squad paramilitary police forces that have on record conducted what are effectively summary executions… decreasing trust in the country’s safety would simply be a course correction of public perception.

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• anon_8675309@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Honestly, don’t even mention the last president publicly. Act like he never existed. Investigate him surely. Reverse any and all of his policies. But just don’t acknowledge him at all.

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  • Lehmuusa@nord.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    That would decrease my trust. It would look like they are doing nothing to learn from their FAFO.

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• gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  As a unitedstatesian: I genuinely do not believe the trust we’ve squandered with parts of the world that (previously) didn’t mind us / considered us allies is going to be recovered in my lifetime. Our idiocy has put far too many things in motion that are going to have irrevocable consequences for the very long term. For instance: just today, the US is apparently considering suspending Spain for disrupting operation Epstein Fury, despite the fact that there is absolutely no mechanism within the NATO charter to unilaterally do that to Spain.

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  • Lehmuusa@nord.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    So, basically one NATO member is saying that it will not honour its commitments if Spain ever gets attacked?

    And maybe this means that all official documents will have to be delivered to the Spanish by some other NATO member state?

    A suspension that suspenses nothing. Hooray.

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• TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  A complete overhaul of the electoral process that allowed fascists to gain complete control.

  A complete overhaul of the society that became so sick that they willingly put the fascists there. Twice.

  A complete overhaul of the elittest pedophile bi/trillionaire class that has unfettered control over every branch of state and federal government and meddles in foreign affairs across the globe.

  In short: The USA would need to be torn down and rebuilt.

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  • U7826391786239@piefed.zip ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    you left out a complete overhaul of the “justice” system that allowed a convicted fucking felon to not only avoid any consequence whatsoever, but attain to the most powerful position in the world. it’s absolutely mind-boggling

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    • meco03211@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The silver(ish) lining is that he is actively reducing how much power that position actually has in the world. Our soft power has been demolished.

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• ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Seize the means of production.

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• Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The only realistic way of the US getting back the trust of major countries is for those countries to go through the same shit and sync to the same level as the US has.

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• BradleyUffner@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Even if a completely sane, smart, and wonderful president were elected, and every country loved them, why would they trust us? We are always one crazy election away from… well, this.

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• Demonmariner@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Gaining trust starts with accountability. People who have abused their position of power need appropriate punishment and be made to pay for the damage they have done.

  We have taken a “let’s just move on” strategy too often in the past. The American people aren’t going to buy it this time.

  As far as trust for America the country is concerned, holding guilty parties accountable will help that too, but mostly what it will take is time.

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  • Vex_Detrause@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    So… no, trust will never be gained back. /S

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    • Demonmariner@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’m not expecting that it will. American politicians don’t have a great record in that area.

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• tiredofsametab@fedia.io ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  US citizen living abroad. Not going to happen in one presidential term and the US has probably permanently fucked itself in terms of special currency/status/soft power ever getting back to the level it was.

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• Semjeza@fedinsfw.app ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  No, the age of America is over.

  The Trump preaidencies aren’t a radical break from the past, he’s just an unveiling of it’s darkest, ugliest, impulses and the logical conclusion of its ideals.

  Maybe European mainstream leaders can convince themselves to get back into bed with US imperialism, as we benefit from it so much, but US in the eyes of the people never recovered post Iraq II, and across the whole world the US is now primarily seen as the demagogic bully that it is.

  The US must learn to get along with its neighbours and treat other nations and people with respect.

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• ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Act normal for 20-30 years. Other countries are not going to revert their investments and turn on their new allies immediately after Americans elect someone normal. It took a long time (way too long) for them to realize US is not their ally anymore and it will take a lot of time to convince them otherwise now.

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• Fleppensteijn@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  US has always acted like a villain. CIA overthrowing governments, NSA spying on EU companies/politicians with US admitting they did for “US interests” (maximizing US companies’ profits by cheating the rest of us); arming terrorist groups and just causing chaos around the world or if self-interest while we have to pretend we’re OK with it or they will cut of trade. They are the only western country that uses torture as official policy, doesn’t think food and shelter are you human rights etc etc.

  And people mostly don’t care or forget very quickly. Next time elect someone who can speak full sentences and is not so blatantly corrupt, show some goodwill, and people will forget within months.

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  • UPGRAYEDD@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Good or evil in this case doesnt really matter. The key was consistency. America had been a world stabilizer for almost 100 years(even if the world stabilization was achived by destabilizing other nations). The world relied on that concept for global trade and the markets that brought with it.

    That illusion is now shattered. The world knows its always a 4 year election cycle away from complete chaos. The trust to be earned back will take as long as it takes for humanity to forget. And it would also require us to be stable for that ammount of time. This means a minimum of the lifetimes of the people currently alive and possibly never.

    But i am betting it never recovers to the same degree. America isnt the same power today as it was when it gained its place in the world. And China / europe are more powerful now than they were in the 50’s. We are no longer a world leader in education, manufacturing etc. Its possible we could speed up the recovery with some political changes to the system, but i dont have much hope for it. It would require the people in power doing things agaisnt their own interests.

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• Auth@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Arrest every single notable trump cabinet member and media dicksuck. Then investigate everything trump touched and prosecute it all. Investigate all the tech companies. I would need to see multiple CEO level people being put in a jail cell to even begin to regain some trust. They need to regulate their fucking monopolies and enforce some anti trust and clean up their broadcast regulation. It cannot be the case that these people can go online and spread the most insane lies over and over without punishment.

  Clarify their position on the world stage and if Trumps actions were contrary to that then they need to diplomatically bridge that gap. Rejoin the climate accords, rejoin nato and apologize to the world.

  Then I would be open to eventually re trusting them.

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  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    first they need to break up ellisons monopolys on media companies.

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• KC_Royalz@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Prosecute traitors immediately.

  Help install safeguards so this me er happens again. Like for presidential nominess for secretary of defense or education. Only select people who work in that field and with knowledge of the job can nominate people for consideration and the president can only hire this nominated

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  • shrugs@piefed.social ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    the problem is the abuse of power. you won’t gain back trust by abusing power. this thinking is the reason it won’t happen

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    • KC_Royalz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Actually I don’t care I want revenge

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• switcheroo@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Start by IMPRISONING those that let this happen. Every single complicit PoS politician who willingly went along with the Pedo Party in order to make money. Disgusting vile filth deserve to be on prison for the rest of their lives.

  All of them jailed and all of their ill-gotten gains taken from them.

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• njm1314@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It’s going to have to be a decades long process. Which is probably why it won’t happen, because we’ll need a consistent restraint and level headedness over multiple presidencies. Which won’t happen, best case scenario is a Democrat wins the next two and then the replaced by Republican who is just going to be Trump part 2. It will never recover.

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• RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Start by rolling back every shit executive order Trump made.

  Make it safe for us Canadian to go on vacation in the USA again.

  Prosecute Trump’s entire cabinet.

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• SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Only speaking for myself, the following are necessary, but not sufficient:

  • Hand him over to the International Court of Justice, along with his entire regime. *…including Schumer and Fetterman.
  • Initiate prosecution of the actual criminals without fear or favor: ICE, cops, Musk, DOGE, wage-thieving employers, et cetera.
  • Lock up the billionaires. Don’t be a lawless dictator, though, there is 110% some good, legal reason that can be found. (But shoot ‘em if they resist.)
  • Bomb the IDF out of existence and round up illegal foreign agents (AIPAC, et al.)

  I have suggestions if they want to get serious on Day 2, as well.

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• Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  if you look at simpsons, trump was the last person that ruined the country in that What if episode, and lisa has a hard time fixing it. what turmp has done cant be fixed by the next president, biden barely did it, but he was not unscathed. Only someone with potential another “obama, sanders” can hope for something else. DNC is currently trying to push Newsom into the role, and you all know who he supports already. Kelly maybe considering, but i havnt seen him actually saying it offiicially,.

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• schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Probably not a lot. I remember 2009 well enough that if the events of that year are any indication, the next US president will just get a Nobel Peace Price for the achievement of not being Donald Trump.

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  • alakey@piefed.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Lol, yep. It’s hilarious reading the replies here, as if every government outside of US is some ultra liberal paradise that cares a ton about what the US fascists been doing. Lula was championed for not being Bolsonaro, Magyar is championed for not being Orban. As long as the next owner of russia is not putin, stops the war and returns to the status quo of mostly terrorizing their own people - everyone will restore relations with them as if everything is perfect. It would take much less effort for the likes of US.

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    • schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Lula was championed for not being Bolsonaro

      At least Bolsonaro didn’t break the Internet with an “online safety” law that includes age verification. So much for authoritarianism being a trait of conservatism…

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