What would the next pres of USA have to do to gain back trust for America? Hold a televised event saying the last person was just a fuck up?

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• festus@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  It won’t happen in my lifetime because your guardrails failed at all levels, including voters. A vile president is supported by hypocrite judges, confirmed by a spineless legislature, voted in by amoral voters. 20 years ago Republicans were the “family values” party. There were issues with that, but it was a given they wouldn’t threaten allies, meme themselves as Christ, celebrate war crimes, promote gambling, be pedophiles, be brazenly corrupt, etc. Then they, and their voters, shed their morals like snakes molting. Even if somehow they started acting like right and wrong were real concepts again, I won’t trust them to not shed that again when it’s convenient.

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• HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  At this point, its impossible.

  Something every single person on Earth, especially Americans, needs to learn and make peace with this simple fact:

  The American empire has fallen

  Pax-Americana is permanently over

  The literal best case scenario for the USA now is a postwar Germany situation. No longer a superpower, but a steady somewhat socialist state that mostly keeps to itself.

  The one X factor that may give America an edge to recovery is the same X factor that enabled its success to begin with:

  America is large and America is relatively geographically isolated from all other major powers

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• Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Round up Trump, his cabinet, and advisors and then ship them to Iran so they can face justice.

  Make a heart felt apology to the world and cut the military budget in half with plans to wind down military spending completely thus eliminating US standing army.

  Massively increase the amount of representatives in Congress, eliminate the Senate, triple the size of SCOTUS, remove dark money from politics, remove all insider trading by passing strict laws against it, remove the revolving door public/private regulatory capture nightmare, bring in ranked voting for all federal elections, force all politicians to only campaign on policy, hold all authority to stricter and much higher standards, ratify the equal rights amendment, create sound privacy laws, breakup all mega corps, and increase taxation beyond total worth of 10 million to 99.999999%.

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  • kablez@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Calling it now, it’s more likely the fed will be broken up and progressive states will join the EU.

    Not saying it will happen. Just that it’s more likely than the US suddenly and comprehensively doing the right thing.

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    • Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yes, I don’t think the US is changing in any sort of positive way anytime soon.

      Joining the EU is an interested idea.

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• wildcardology@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  By throwing the last one under the bus. Literally.

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• Hegar@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  It just won't happen. Our institutions are weak and very subject to outside influence. Everyone in the world can see it.

  If our corrupt oligarchs allow an election, the next president will still have to deal with their financial power, the private electronic surveillance state they control, their overwheming control of our very corrupt court system, etc.

  If the dems were interested in fixing the problem it would take focused effort over multiple terms. The dems are not interested in fixing the problem. This is just who we are as a nation-state.

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• Fleppensteijn@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  US has always acted like a villain. CIA overthrowing governments, NSA spying on EU companies/politicians with US admitting they did for “US interests” (maximizing US companies’ profits by cheating the rest of us); arming terrorist groups and just causing chaos around the world or if self-interest while we have to pretend we’re OK with it or they will cut of trade. They are the only western country that uses torture as official policy, doesn’t think food and shelter are you human rights etc etc.

  And people mostly don’t care or forget very quickly. Next time elect someone who can speak full sentences and is not so blatantly corrupt, show some goodwill, and people will forget within months.

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  • UPGRAYEDD@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Good or evil in this case doesnt really matter. The key was consistency. America had been a world stabilizer for almost 100 years(even if the world stabilization was achived by destabilizing other nations). The world relied on that concept for global trade and the markets that brought with it.

    That illusion is now shattered. The world knows its always a 4 year election cycle away from complete chaos. The trust to be earned back will take as long as it takes for humanity to forget. And it would also require us to be stable for that ammount of time. This means a minimum of the lifetimes of the people currently alive and possibly never.

    But i am betting it never recovers to the same degree. America isnt the same power today as it was when it gained its place in the world. And China / europe are more powerful now than they were in the 50’s. We are no longer a world leader in education, manufacturing etc. Its possible we could speed up the recovery with some political changes to the system, but i dont have much hope for it. It would require the people in power doing things agaisnt their own interests.

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• SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  The next President would need to pass a massive bill dedicated to anti- corruption laws with real criminal consequences. This includes the entire house. No more shareholders. No more felons in politics.

  Then two term limits for the Congress and Senate.

  Then a bill that limits executive orders, and elimination of presidential pardons.

  This would change the entire way the US government has worked in 250 years.

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  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    You and I butt heads often, but we’re in complete agreement on this.

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• Alsjemenou@lemy.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  This is a downfall, you guys haven’t even reached the lowest point yet. You already talk about getting back up. This is what’s great about America. But the real answer is: Trump isn’t alone and was openly racist, misogynistic, dumb and indecent about it all. It’s the fact that he was able to even start considering a career in politics that needs to be addressed.

  Showering the world with gifts and promises isn’t going to change anything. If we’re all just waiting for the next fucker to arrive. You have to do something far more substantial like giving up veto rights, or something stupid like that. Which would be completely idiotically desperate lost-the-war type of concessions in peace time.

  The fact of the matter is that this isn’t going to happen and all the world can hope for is that things calm down and the internal temsions in the country come to a conclusion the world can support.

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  • eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Very well put.

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• DupaCycki@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  To gain back Americans’ trust? Almost nothing.

  To gain back other countries’ trust? Quite a lot.

  To actually be a good president and make the country a reasonably decent place to live? Not realistic for one presidency.

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• switcheroo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Start by IMPRISONING those that let this happen. Every single complicit PoS politician who willingly went along with the Pedo Party in order to make money. Disgusting vile filth deserve to be on prison for the rest of their lives.

  All of them jailed and all of their ill-gotten gains taken from them.

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• Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  if you look at simpsons, trump was the last person that ruined the country in that What if episode, and lisa has a hard time fixing it. what turmp has done cant be fixed by the next president, biden barely did it, but he was not unscathed. Only someone with potential another “obama, sanders” can hope for something else. DNC is currently trying to push Newsom into the role, and you all know who he supports already. Kelly maybe considering, but i havnt seen him actually saying it offiicially,.

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• schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Probably not a lot. I remember 2009 well enough that if the events of that year are any indication, the next US president will just get a Nobel Peace Price for the achievement of not being Donald Trump.

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  • alakey@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Lol, yep. It’s hilarious reading the replies here, as if every government outside of US is some ultra liberal paradise that cares a ton about what the US fascists been doing. Lula was championed for not being Bolsonaro, Magyar is championed for not being Orban. As long as the next owner of russia is not putin, stops the war and returns to the status quo of mostly terrorizing their own people - everyone will restore relations with them as if everything is perfect. It would take much less effort for the likes of US.

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    • schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Lula was championed for not being Bolsonaro

      At least Bolsonaro didn’t break the Internet with an “online safety” law that includes age verification. So much for authoritarianism being a trait of conservatism…

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• Pyrixas@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  It has to be in phases, most importantly, it has to be consistent.

  First President-Elect after Shitstain, would have to spend their entire first year, rolling back what they’re capable. They’d have to figure a way to permanently codify long-debated issues to settle the score ’once and for all’ so that nobody, not even Congress or the Supreme Court or themselves, can ever roll it back. It would have to be a series of votes and passes to make it this way. Once it’s done, it’s done, no take-backs.

  Second year in, they would spend that time prosecuting, chasing and holding accountable, all and any traitors to the country from government to other branches. America should be about weeding out the traitors.

  Third year in, they can spend that year, trying to remedy fractured allies that Shitstain ruined. America should still be America first, after all, there’s a lot of work to be done to fix itself, but it should also be lenient to the globe as well.

  Fourth year in, campaign time and see and hope that they remain.

  Regardless of any scenario, it’s still down to the people to even get someone who is like this and to keep up supporting and voting people like this. We are always one general election cycle away from all of the effort being undone because people are intentionally ill-informed and that gullible to buy into manufactured lies.

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• Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Trust amongst your allies is absolutely fucked. Itll take years for you to get it back

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• ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Act normal for 20-30 years. Other countries are not going to revert their investments and turn on their new allies immediately after Americans elect someone normal. It took a long time (way too long) for them to realize US is not their ally anymore and it will take a lot of time to convince them otherwise now.

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• Formfiller@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Reverse all the damage and throw every pedophile in jail and sieze their assets, throw every grifter oligarch in jail and sieze their assets, every Israeli backed politician in jail for treason and sieze their assets, abolish the electoral college, install universal healthcare, install free college, abolish private equity and execute the entire trump administration for treason and crimes against humanity. This is the bare minimum

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• Steve@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  It all boils down to two basic principles.
  Radical honesty and accountability.
  That’s the only way anyone builds trust.

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  • K1nsey6@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The US never has accountability

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• zxqwas@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Trust by who? Europe? China? US citizens?

  For Europe we will probably go back to normal trade relationship after a few terms without a MAGA.

  European defense will prioritise domestic spending, which was probably the intention because we can then sell you bombs if you end up in a conflict with China.

  European IT spending will also favour domestic stuff instead of American companies for a very long time, but without any upside like the arms industry.

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• Denixen@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Have two mandate periods (8 years) of normal relations. Then peacefully switched presidency to another president who also maintains normal relations for two mandates. So I guess 16 years of normal relations? I know, too much to ask because that will never happen. Hasn’t been the case for many decades.

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• Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  As an outsider i feel the only viable way for america to unfuck itself is to throw the current constitution into the sea and start over from scratch, presumably resulting in multiple new countries that maybe form something like the EU (or as another person said, outright join the EU).

  It’s the same situation as the USSR ended in, the concept of “the USA” is falling apart at the seams and if you try to mend it back together you’ll just get a heap of mismatched fabric.

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  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The Constitution is great, it has been inspiration for every Democracy that has followed. The problem is that it relies on people following it in good faith, and we have cultivated a certain segment of our population who don’t believe in good faith, because they are intrinsically bad people.

    We don’t have to do something about the Constitution, we have to something about the bad people who want to exploit it, as well as the weak cowards who allow it. They’re just as bad.

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    • BenLeMan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      That’s the catch, though. You cannot change people. Gotta work with what you got.

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• Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  That’d be my step 1, personally

  Step 2 is proving it

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  • HamsterRage@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Isn’t that what the current one does constantly???

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    • Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      See step 2 is really where the meat lies

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• melsaskca@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Just start treating people with kindness and respect and show that your word is your bond. That’s it. The rest takes time, like any healing does.

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  • Lehmuusa@nord.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    …and that time is about two generations. People reproduce at around age 25, so two generations are about 50 years.

    I hope other countries will heed the warning.

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• HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  The US isn’t going to get that trust back that it had before.

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• wampus@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Practically, there’s little they can do to win back the USA’s soft power at this point – bridges take seconds to burn, generations to build.

  A starting point would be to hold the various people from the previous administration accountable for what’s gone on. That’s practically impossible, as we’ve seen them unable to hold people like Trump accountable for a literal attempted insurrection/coup the last time he was defeated at the polls. Putting people like Hegseth in front of the Hague, to answer for his war crimes in regards to killing civilians near venezuela, for example, would be a step in regaining trust from the international community (basically “We committed international crimes, and we’ll allow the international community to determine the punishment”). The USA would never do that, and has never done that historically. The democrats would never sign off on it, no matter how nazi-like the republicans may get – and the American people, even now, view themselves as exceptional/special to the point that they feel no ‘real’ accountability for the shit their government is doing.

  Trade relations/integrations are screwed, as every western partner of the USA now knows/sees very clearly that the USA is just “one election cycle away” from using those very integrations to attack and destabilize their “allies”. The USA spent decades/generations building up that trust, it’ll take decades/generations of similar effort to try and rebuild it. I don’t imagine it’ll happen in my life time.

  Electing Trump once may’ve been an outlier, but Americans re-elected him even as he was being transparent in his intentions to become a dictator and to dramatically re-orient America’s international position - the current administration people published project 2025, and numerous other “pro fascism” essays/books prior to the 2025 election. Vance, their VP, literally lauds people like Posobiecs work, wherein he calls for democrats to be hunted/targeted/killed. The Americans voted in favour of fucking over western allies, voted in favour of alienating the EU, Canada, Mexico, etc. They voted in favour of a guy wanting to be buddies with Putin, Kim Jong, and any other ruthless dictator he met / exchanged love letters with. They voted for a literal convicted criminal, who any person with an IQ above room temperature would realise would conduct themselves like a criminal in office – no one is shocked that he openly takes bribes and there’s overt corruption going on, because America quite explicitly voted for those things. Why would the world forgive and forget that?

  To quote/paraphrase the previous person thought to be the bottom of the barrel of American leaders: “Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice… uh… well you can’t get fooled again, right?”. Part of that sentiment, is that if you do it the second time, knowing how things went the last time around, you’re basically accepting the result of being made a fool – you’re not getting ‘fooled’, but instead you are accepting your role as a fool by trusting the same untrustworthy group again, you’re complicit in your poor treatment. Other countries cannot trust the states again, because we’ve all been shown the states is untrustworthy, and that they’re intent on harming our people/countries. We cannot go back to ‘trusting’ the states, unless we want to do harm to our own citizens/interests.

  Besides, there’s still a few more years of insults and bullshit to come from the USA. We haven’t even hit the bottom for this massive betrayal of western allies. It’s a bit early to be pretending like they have a hope of digging themselves out of this pit, while they’re still actively digging deeper.

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• ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Seize the means of production.

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• anon_8675309@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Honestly, don’t even mention the last president publicly. Act like he never existed. Investigate him surely. Reverse any and all of his policies. But just don’t acknowledge him at all.

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  • Lehmuusa@nord.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    That would decrease my trust. It would look like they are doing nothing to learn from their FAFO.

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    • anon_8675309@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I didn’t say do nothing. I’m just saying don’t give that asshole the attention. Treat him publicly as though he never fucking existed. That’s how you treat a narcissist.

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• Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  The only realistic way of the US getting back the trust of major countries is for those countries to go through the same shit and sync to the same level as the US has.

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• darkmogool@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Just execute the oligarchy. It would help a LOT

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• Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  IMHO it depends a lot on:

  • how he became this next Prez
  • and what exactly has happened to this one then.

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• Iconoclast@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Make changes to limit their own power and have the spine to resist both the far right and the far left.

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