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  • TabbsTheBat@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Image

    :3

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    • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Only correct answer.

      Centaurworld is probably one of the best Netflix shows

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      • EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Hush now, hide, all you little ones Rush now, into the middle of nowhere Singing and laughter will die.

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      • a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Netflix sort of went to shit so I’ve been off it for a while.

        Is this an outlier or do they actual serve anything decent these days?

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    • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Centaurworld nailed it. Next question

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  • cmhe@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    False dichotomy.

    Centraur is when the neck of an quadruped animal gets its neck replaced by an human upper body… So the giraffe centaur would have neither a long human stomach, nor a long human neck.

    It is reductionism to say that something isn’t a giraffe, if it doesn’t have a long neck part. Shame on you! 😉

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    • MithranArkanere@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah. Everyone knows giraffe centaurs share the ears and ossicones of giraffes, but not their long necks and legs.
      It’s more like the ancestors of giraffes that had not elongated yet. Oh, and pretty long tongues too.

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  • SpicyLizards@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Thinking this Image

    Attribution www.instagram.com/p/DTY5qn3D9N3/

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    • Rooster326@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Talk about back pain.

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      • xia@lemmy.ca ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Good posture is VERY important in this case.

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  • Bazell@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    There’s a 3d option available:

    Image

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    • NaibofTabr@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I… what the fuck am I looking at… ?

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      • Lehmuusa@nord.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I… what the fuck am I looking at… ?

        It’s the human centipede. But giraffe.

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      • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        So I am an expert in alternative digestive systems. It loops down into the human then back up into the geraffe. That’s so the human segment can be vomited at a predator as a defense mechanism m

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      • Bazell@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Sorry, but I have no clue how this character functions at all. Ask Oda (One Piece creator) about this. 😁

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      • Fedizen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        This a giraffe with an elaborate head ornament.

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    • Mesophar@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Good ol’ Hamlet! Anytime one of these “what if centaur but different” posts come up I think about him

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      • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Good ol’ Hamlet

        …that play is apparently VERY different from how I remember it 🤔

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    • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Looks 2d to me.

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  • salvaria@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Image

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    • AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Perfection

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    • thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      nosk from hollow knight

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  • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s posts like this that just reinforce the idea that centaurs are freaky creatures.

    Why a six-limbed creature? Actual mammals have at most 4 limbs. What does it eat? Is the stomach a horse stomach or a human stomach? Does the human head have to eat 15 kilograms of grass per day, munching it inefficiently with its human teeth? Can it just blend it up and drink vast quantities of smoothies instead? Are the centaur’s front limbs massively strong, unlike a horse, because it has to support a whole secondary torso right at the front of its body? Does the whole body have the same notoriously finnicky immune system and fragility of a horse? Where’s the heart, is it in the human chest or the horse chest? If it is running hard will it be the human chest that’s panting, using those tiny lungs to power an entire body? Or is there just an air tube down through the useless human chest all the way to the horse’s mighty lungs? If the lungs being used are the horse ones, what’s all that room in the human chest being used for?

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    • MithranArkanere@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The centaur diet consists mostly of meat, so they require fewer plants to survive. But plants are very good for their health, preferably root and leafy plants over grains, nuts, and fruits, but they can still enjoy any diet.
      Centaurs used to prefer to eat only raw meat and alcohol, but after contact with humans they developed a cooking culture, preferring methods like spit roasts over methods like boiling, but they still enjoy a good stew.
      Foods that are toxic or harmful to horses but not to humans are not a problem for centaurs, such as garlic, onions, avocado, chocolate, bread, dairy, and the brassica cultivars.

      The upper torsos of centaurs have secondary lungs and a second small heart that help support their brain and make it less likely that they’ll faint during heavy activity, with an esophagus leading to the stomach and a thick trachea leading to larger lungs, both on the second torso.
      Their esophagus moves food faster than a human esophagus does, so eating something sharp that could scratch their esophagus is more harmful to them, so it’s more important for them to really chew their food well. Unlike horses, centaurs can vomit. Their upper torso has none of the other vital organs humans have in that area, leaving more room for muscles, which gives them their massive upper body strength. When a centaur appears to have a belly, there’s no interintestinal fat there; it’s all abdominal fat.
      The lower torso has all other main vital organs, and a larger heart and lungs similar to those of horses, and the thicker trachea allows them to breathe faster. Centaurs often have large nostrils and a slightly elongated face to allow for faster airflow.
      Their livers are more similar in function to those of humans and sledge dogs, giving them high endurance. They can run without rest far longer than any other creatures they know.
      Their lymphatic and blood system, on the other hand, is more similar to that of horses.
      Unlike humans, centaurs do not lose muscle mass due to lack of activity, mostly due to illness or lack of nutrition.

      There are some variations depending on what ‘taur’ is their lower body, but these are the common traits shared among all tauric species.

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    • Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      6 limbs implies that centaurs are insects.

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      • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        The human-looking part is probably just a lure, like those deep-sea lantern fish. A human gets close enough to investigate and the insect pounces.

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    • wabasso@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This post changed me.

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  • AMoralNihilist@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Ps everyone should go watch centaurworld. It’s a masterpiece.

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  • empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I don’t like it. But it’s probably #2. Centaurs replace the neck of the base animal with a human torso.

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    • nodiratime@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Considering the curios Giraffes Recurrent laryngeal nerve, I would say so too.

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    • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      But then the torso wouldn’t be so long.

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  • Rooster326@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Number 2 would fall over.

    Right now a giraffe needs 600lbs of neck muscle to hold up a 50 lb head on a 6 foot neck.

    There is no way the giraffe’s neck could hold a regular human torso. Forget a proportional one. It’s not possible.

    Picture for scale. A regular human torso would look comically small on top of a giraffe.

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    • smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Came here for this. #2 would bend over once and be down for life.

      Not to mention those front knees would be under tremendous pressure, even just normal walking would be punishing.

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      What about very developed neck flap sails

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    • CaptPretentious@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Well, maybe. Or they’d have the most developed 42 pack abs you’ve ever seen.

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    • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You don’t even have to get into the weight.

      Mammals have at most 4 limbs. Centaurs would have 6 limbs, and the mammal brain never evolved to handle that many.

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      • Rooster326@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yes but there’s a chance

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  • Cellari@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    You have to have the long neck, or it’s not a giraffe man thing

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    • basxto@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      centaffe

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      • titanicx@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Centauraffe

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      What if it’s some other type of stupid long horse

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  • tomkatt@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Image

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  • bort@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    centaur have human shoulders and neck and head. And horse body without neck&head

    so the first one is right, except with human neck

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    • Rooster326@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Are you implying standard centaurs don’t have horse necks?

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      • mrmisses@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Yeah, have you not seen a standard centaur before? Sheesh

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  • yakko@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    My wife and I frequently bond over a mutual hatred of giraffes. I think this meme just got me laid tonight

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    • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’m glad you two monsters found each other. I hope your kids grow up to love giraffes.

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      • yakko@feddit.uk ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        The family that hates together ungulates together!

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    • cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      So why do you two hate giraffes?

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      • yakko@feddit.uk ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Here the thing. You ever looked into a giraffe’s eyes? There’s nothing there, they’re mentally vacant. They make deer look like they read the New Yorker. The fight with their necks, which is dumb, but it’s even dumber that their evolutionary gambit worked at all. You wanted to eat the leaves, you got tall. Your medals are in the mail, giraffes. Gold medals with sarcastically long neck ribbons. It makes me sick. They’re no better than camels, and don’t get me started about those filthy bastards.

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      • bss03@infosec.pub ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Stupid long horses. /ref

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  • Lehmuusa@nord.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    A centaur has explicitly horse features until a certain point, then explicitly human features from that point onwards.

    That would mean the upper part not being allowed to divert back to horseness/giraffiness, as the left pic does.

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    • ChairmanMeow@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      But right would also be wrong, because the torso is elongated instead of the neck.

      I suppose a giraffe centaur would be considerably shorter than either of these images suggest.

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      • reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        So, the left pic without the long neck? Makes the most sense to me.

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      So, the horses at Fenton’s (where the horses are hung like you) are centaurs by that definition?

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  • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    the first, obviously

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    • heartpunk25@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      of course

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  • stupidcasey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Why would the giraffe have a 6 foot torso?

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    • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah, what’s going on inside there?

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Why don’t you have six foot torso

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      • stupidcasey@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Well obviously I do but I’m not a giraffe.

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  • mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    related, what would a human-human centaur look like?

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    • rethnor@lemmy.zip ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Didn’t they have those in dungeon crawler Carl?

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      • mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        that was what inspired the question

        so my thoughts are tainted. I want fresh opinions

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    • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Imagine a guy crawling along on the ground, except where his neck would be there’s a second torso attached, and it goes upwards so that as the guy crawls the second torso is vertical.

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    • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      A dude with another dude growing out of his butt.

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  • GreenShimada@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Giraffes have the same number of neck vertebrae as you and me, the bones are just much longer.

    An actual giraffe centaur with human torso from the animal’s chest up would just be a long-legged spotty horse centaur.

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  • 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Asking the real questions.

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  • lugal@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    And what if they wear pants?

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  • Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Neck has to be long. if torso is long that’s biologically impossible you die of low blood pressure to the head

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  • Jerkface@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Both, and they’ve been at war with each other for millenia.

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  • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    No.

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  • samus12345@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The first one. The second one is way too top heavy to be practical.

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  • MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Right one seems more correct, but the human part shouldn’t have stripes.

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  • yermaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Image

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  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Unfortunately, we would probably get stuck with the first one, which wouldn’t be much of an evolutionary improvement.

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  • Fedizen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The second one. The magic that created them would fortify their muscles.

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  • FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    This is actually so tricky. My instinct said “right hand side would be impractical, so no way” but then I remembered they evolved long necks to get to food so it makes sense to evolve arms there to better feed themselves.

    My little cope against this is:

    1. Centaurs use their arms to wield and craft weapons. This would make them much better suited for the left hand option, where they can try for body strikes against centaurs rather than just decapitation. It would also make them actually useful against any foes which aren’t birds.

    2. From an evolutionary and physiological standpoint, arms growing out of your neck is unrealistic. You don’t have the structural components to support it there - the neck is too busy supporting the head and it’s pretty crowded up there. Arms are typically attached to a broadened torso-skeleton, built to support lateral attachments as well as the longitudinal attachment of a head and neck.

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  • WiseScorpio@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    GD it.

    This is the “Tie Game” all over again.

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