The list is realistically so much longer.

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• abbiistabbii@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I agree with almost all this list, but Building 7 pisses me off a bit

  WhY dId BuIlDiNg 7 cOlLaPsE?

  Because two of the tallest buildings in the world collapsed right next to it, causing structural damage that lead to it’s collapse.

  BuT iT lOoKs LiKe A DeMoLiTiOn.

  What do you think structural failure is meant to look like? Do you think it’s meant to look like Jenga bricks falling over? Like do you really think two of the largest buildings in the world collapsing next to a comparatively small building like that is going to do nothing?

  The reason why you don’t see surrounding buildings damaged when they’re demolishing something like a British Tower-block is because they time the explosions precisely, shore up anything that might get damaged and evacuate the area. Do you really think the same thing would happen if two of the world’s largest towers had their floors slam down on each other like a squeezebox, and then had the cores collapse right next to them? Do you, hand on heart, think a building right next to that happening, wouldn’t suffer structural damage?

  Wanna know something about 9/11? If the US government wanted to do a false flag, they wouldn’t fucking bother doing some long winded scheme involving thermite or explosives or missiles disguised perfectly as planes that can be debunked by people who think Occam is a razor company. They would just like whatever of the 101 major terror plots that are being planned against the US that they know about happen. Why spend millions of dollars doing it yourself when you can just fucking let the guy in Afghanistan and his buddies that you have been watching for a decade and change do what they have been planning.

  That, or, and this is something people might not consider, as cruel, power hungry, and sociopathic as the world’s governments may be, they are also made up of people, some of those people fuck up, some of those people are morons. The idea that the everpresent They, (The Enby that controls the world) is hypercompetant and hyperintelegent is just something people believe to feel safer when they trust the government, and more powerful when they don’t.

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  • ricecake@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I agree, and feel similarly about the inclusion of operation Northwoods.
    It’s most prominently a horrifying plan that was rejected and remained classified, with the proposer being replaced shortly afterwards (it’s entirely possible that’s a coincidence).

    Someone thinking of something horrible and then not doing it isn’t evidence that they would do something similar. There’s no particular reason to think they hid evidence because they admitted in the same deeply classified documents to doing far worse things.

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    • abbiistabbii@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I know, and you don’t need to point to Operation Northwoods to “prove” anything because American Government officials have proposed much worse things and have done much worse things.

      Like MacArthur proposed using nukes like conventional bombs to completely irradiate the Korean - Chinese Border. This would not merely kill Millions, perhaps billions, but it would cause a nuclear winter. For that, MacArthur was dismissed. That was a proposal.

      What people forget is that MacArthur fired upon American World War One vets protesting to get their War bonuses because of the depression during the Bonus War. You don’t need to make up conspiracies, what governments have already done/doing are bad enough.

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    • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You’re forgetting that the singular person responsible for the decision not to do it was assassinated shortly after…

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  • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Also giant buildings are designed to withstand a huge amount of torque/moment. They act like sails in the wind and it’s a catastrophe if they fall over. But additionally you really want to minimize sway so people at the top don’t get seasick in their office/apartment. But then there’s the destruction element of it. You want to do everything in your power to make sure that if a building you design to go in Manhattan of all places has to go down it goes directly down and not across the street into another building like a tragic line of dominoes.

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    • abbiistabbii@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Basically. Buildings don’t fall like Jenga bricks. When something bad happens, they tend to implode, be it on purpose, if an airliner crashes into them, or if the aforementioned building collapses next to you and causes you structural damage.

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  • d00ery@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Inappropriate ads Image

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    • ChicoSuave@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      What’s inappropriate about it?

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  • Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yeah I’m not big on the 9/11 conspiracy stuff. But, I do think some kind of shady shit was going down to motivate the attackers aside from hate for the US.

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    • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨31⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      You think hate for the US is insufficient?

      I think you underestimate our reputation.

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• 4am@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Telecommunications Act Copyright extensions DMCA SAVE Act KOSA War on drugs War on terror

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• ChicoSuave@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  This is all American stuff. What about British, German, French, Russian, Japanese, Chinese atrocities and coverups? God knows there are terrible secrets along them all.

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  • chaogomu@lemmy.world ⁨55⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Hell, just look back a bit for the shit done in the open.

    I submit King Leopold the 2nd of Belgium. In Belgium he’s known as “the builder king” because he spent so much of his own money to build parks and civic buildings and such.

    Money that was acquired through what was described at the time as Crimes Against Humanity.

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    • greyscale@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨25⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Ah yes, he had a hunger only hands could satisfy.

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• choui4@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  Am I the only one who doesnt know about ALL of these?

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• Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨57⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  I know why most of these are here but why JFK? Like the man himself or the whole assassination conspiracy thing?

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Like the man himself or the whole assassination conspiracy theory thing?

    Plenty of compelling evidence to believe Kennedy was murdered at the order of ex-CIA Director Allen Dulles. Even if you don’t want to go all the way down that rabbit hole, though, there’s even more evidence to suspect Kennedy’s secret service fucked up on the job - both in the planning of the parade and in the initial response to gunfire. The “magic bullet” thesis has a number of much more believable counter-explanations, not the least being Kennedy’s security detail firing blindly from inside the car and hitting the President by mistake.

    Also, very deep CIA and mafia connections specifically running through New Orleans in the 1960s, such that letting Lee Harvey Oswald spill his guts would be bad for mission security, even if he had just been a lone gunman.

    However you slice the Kennedy assassination, there’s plenty of big blind spots in the story where speculation runs rampant. And those blind spots are almost certainly the result of embarrassed/implicated state officials involved in some level of cover-up.

    shit like MK Ultra actually and provably happened

    The downwind implications of MK Ultra get incredibly muddy. It’s one thing to say “the US government was experimenting with psychedelics” and quite another to claim “The Manson Murders were orchestrated as a domestic terrorist event intended to crush the hippie movement in California and elect Ronald Reagan.”

    You could say the same about the Gulf of Tonkin. Was this an American Navy vessel crew that fucked up by accident? Or a deliberate false flag intended to bring the US into Vietnam?

    Bohemian Grove is another one you can take extremely deep. It gets brought up alongside Comet Ping Pong Pizza in the “elites are eating babies to stay young forever” conspiracies.

    Part of the problem with this list is that you can take any item on it and flip it like a coin to get “mundane rational accusations of impropriety” on one side and “wildly speculative deep lore of a fascist puppeteer regime controlling the country” on the other.

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• samus12345@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  gestures vaguely

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• Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  One of these things is not like the others

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  • Syndication@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Building 7?

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    • Gork@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Buildings 1 through 6 weren’t ominous enough.

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  • Asidonhopo@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Waco?

    Yeah I’d have been alright with Janet Reno following it up with sending armed troops in to firebomb all the hundreds of cult compounds across this nation. Good riddance to those pedophile nutjobs, instead of continuing going after that sort of decay we let them fester and it contributed to the rot we see today in America. We could have made up for lost time not finishing Reconstruction, Sherman-style.

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    • chaogomu@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The problem with Waco was the firebombing itself. The cops wanted a big standoff rather than just arresting the cult leader when he went out into town, which he did repeatedly.

      Leaderless cults can be picked apart without gunfire.

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    • Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You know like 30 innocent little kids were killed right?

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    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I don’t want them firebombed, but yeah the backlash against Waco is how the Zion Ranch was able to exist as long as it did. In the aftermath of Waco as long as your cult claims to be Christian and is armed the feds will let you get away with so much bs for so long.

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• rafoix@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It’s not just those things that happened. It’s that everyone involved should have been arrested and incarcerated but it didn’t happen.

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  • Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Absolutely

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• MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Don’t forget about…

  Agent Orange Camp Lejeune Vietnam Vets exposed to dirty medical equipment

  Had neighbors and relatives that have been effected or died from all of these.

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• CubitOom@infosec.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  COINTELPRO

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• 0ops@piefed.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  PRISM

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• AlfalFaFail@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Loosely quoting IF Stone, If you can remember two words, governments lie. If you can remember three words, all governments lie.

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• ieatpwns@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Why about citizens united?

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• ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I don’t like the judicial system, I don’t like the government system, I don’t like the police, I don’t like anything to do with this country’s government. I just don’t like it, because… they’re sneaky, like I said - they’re deceitful, they’re lying, they’re cheats, they rip the people off. That’s the American government for you. America is a third world country, and people don’t recognise it… and I think that that’s pretty god damn sad, that they don’t recognise their own country as a third world, third rate, third class slum

  Godspeed fans will know

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  • alt_xa_23@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I wonder what BBF3’s take on the current state of the world would be

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    • ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Man thought things were shit in the 90s, he’d be baffled now

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• Onomatopoetikum@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  So the problem seems to be the american government

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  • chaogomu@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That’s the recent trend.

    Well, the American government, and the Israeli government, the Russian government, the Chinese government, the UK government, the German government, and a bunch more, add in the dictatorships who can’t fuck around outside their own boarders, and you basically have every government.

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  • Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yes clearly the united states government is the only government that contains corruption and shady dealings with its citizens.

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• phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  All US government stuff, though

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  • Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yeah as I previously stated, the US government is the only government in which corruption and evil dealings happen…

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• yucandu@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Sounds like an American problem.

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  • Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yes, America is the only country with a corruption problem…

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• CatZoomies@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Mortal Kombat Ultimate

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