they draw the line at genocide
Hopefully, he will be 6 underground by that time.
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Avicenna@programming.dev 14 minutes ago
clot27@lemmy.zip 1 hour ago
Its funny how people act as if kamala lost because she supported genocide
No lol, leftists hold miniscule power in electorate, kamala lost because she ran a shitty campaign and neo liberal economics will only make things worse for incumbent.
WraithGear@lemmy.world 21 minutes ago
neo libs must choose… either there is not enough progressives to demand a progressive candidate so they are not a large enough block to have changed the outcome OR they are large enough bloc to demand progressive cannidate and the democrats ignoring them cost them the election.
and they always pivot talking points
Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 hour ago
The Gaza issue seems to have been pretty big
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
no, she lost became 1/3 of Americans failed to vote.
Astrius@lemmy.ml 1 hour ago
Which wouldn’t have happened if she ran a good campaign.
Godric@lemmy.world 38 minutes ago
DNC: You have 2 years to run for office and win a primary
Leftists: Can’t I just post memes and act smugly morally superior instead?
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
Also you guys are fucking idiots.
“If you don’t pick a better candidate then I’ll just let the one who wants concentration camps and to erase all of Palestine win”
Like, seriously, look at the big picture. Do you think Kamala who would have still supported Israel would have been worse for Gaza? It’s literally not possible. You guys fucked up the entire planet I’m your pride.
Now I’m not saying the DNC isn’t wrong, they’re fucking morons. But you guys just gave up on global warming, gay rights, trans rights, Gaza, any sembles ce of the environment, public health, the entire “justice” system, the courts, your immigrant neighbours, all people of colour on the US, and women’s rights.
I cannot express how much I fucking hâte people like you right now.
Go ahead and downvote me. “But it’s not right”. Yeah? We’ll choosing to let this happen is leagues worse. You guaranteed the genecide in Gaza would go be the worst it ever could be you fucking morons.
Go out and pressure the DNC to not be shot, but don’t fucking say there’s no difference between Kamala and Trump.
U7826391786239@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
i’m glad i’m not the only one shitting on 3rd party/abstainers every chance i get. high and mighty morality police, usually saying shit like “kamala was always going to lose” while simultaneously trying to push the 100% guaranteed fail action of 3rd party or sitting out.
whether they’re actually russian propaganda trolls or not hardly matters–they’re shit human beings either way
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Agreed. But I’m not going to publicly endorse a dead-end DNC loser before it’s necessary. The DNC needs to act like people aren’t required to vote for them and field a candidate that can actually win votes.
TheBat@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
But you guys just gave up on global warming, gay rights, trans rights, Gaza, any sembles of the environment, public health, the entire “justice” system, the courts, your immigrant neighbours, all people of colour in the US, and women’s rights.
You forgot to include USAID.
Anyone who keeps clutching to Gaza and says Kamala would have been as bad as Trump can suck my dick.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
I forgot a ton of things.
AI, your data privacy, your parents retirement, NATO, electric cars, green energy, antitrust, the chip shortage.
There’s a huge list.
Stamau123@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Yup
It’s fucking mind numbing
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Wanna know how to pressure the DNC to pick a candidate you like? Go fucking vote for them in the primary!
Typically, the primaries get 1/10th the turnout of the general election. That means that a very small number of people can sway the primary. Go stump for your candidate. Make phone calls, talk to your family and friends and community, explain why your candidate is the better choice.
The lack of a primary in 2024 was fucking awful, but guess what? Chances are, there is a primary going on for your state right now, get to work!
punkcoder@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Try telling that to someone who supported Bernie, but before you do that you might want to go back and refresh youself on what happened. The DNC is a diseased carcass, change isn’t possible.
nialv7@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
did bernie lose because people didn’t vote for him? or did he lose because the democrats establishment push him out?
for what you said to be true, the democrats need to abolish the superpac system, which they won’t do.
wpb@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Go out and pressure the DNC to not be shit
How about you go out and draw the rest of the owl there? The main power we have is our right to vote, and you’re saying we shouldn’t use that to pressure the DNC to put forth a pro-worker anti-war candidate.
Eldritch@piefed.world 2 hours ago
And how is not voting for them going to do that? They’re fine with you not voting for them, and even losing in the case of DNC leadership. Always have been.
You want to put pressure on them? Be the candidate to primary the party line candidate in Democratic primaries. Yes they will use every structural advantage they have against you. But if enough people do it constantly. The cracks will widen and show. Otherwise they’re happy to receive donations and funding from the wealthy, even if they don’t win.
To be clear, I think all national parties should be outlawed. Generally state wide ones as well. But unless you can change the political reality we are in. The only possibility is not just holding off the worst possible candidates such as trump. Though more should have shown solidarity against him. But being the candidates we want to vote for. And not letting some uninterested complacent national organization make those decision for us.
MTZ@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
I’m a leftist who absolutely voted Harris, because the other option was horrific. I was not in love with Kamala but I did feel that she was a faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar better option.
Velypso@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
Please shut the fuck up.
Youre spreading the propaganda that helped them justify their actions.
Enkrod@feddit.org 6 hours ago
Yes! Primaries primaries primaries.
Go and primary every single DNC candidate that isn’t good enough, get better democratic candidates wherever you can. Put even more energy into primaries than into the election itself! But when the decision comes down to Churchill or Hitler, you better vote for fucking Churchill.
Everything else is just throwing the minorities and the future under the bus as a cost of doing business.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 hour ago
All they can do is create this strawman because deep down they’re ashamed.
null@piefed.nullspace.lol 5 hours ago
They literally do think everything that’s happened under Trump would have been the same under Kamala.
They are deeply unserious people who have no ambitions for politics and care only about purity-testing.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 hour ago
They would have been different, but Kamala wouldn’t have been different enough.
Biden won and Trump instigated a coup over it. Why is that treasonous rat not in prison? Would Kamala have put him in prison? Oh, she should have said so. I had no idea.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 3 hours ago
I cannot express how much I fucking hate people like you right now
Yes because this is about your emotions and needing a satisfying story to direct your anger at, not reality.
Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 hours ago
I’m just pissed off we let America have so much power over the word as it is. They’re one country, for fuck sake, not the World Police.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 4 hours ago
Silver lining: Trump just killed that role like a newborn baby in lake Michigan.
thethrilloftime69@feddit.online 4 hours ago
Elections are in some way a validation of the system. The elites point to the election any time someone complains about some policy. The entire system has been consistently getting worse regardless of who is in power for at least 30+ years. The only way we have to express our displeasure is to vote out the incumbent. I’m confident that even if Kamala had won, things would have gotten worse. Maybe they would be worse at a slower rate, but they would be worse. We need to see beyond electoral politics. Every time you vote, you are granting the rich permission to continue to fuck you regardless of who you voted for.
Makeitstop@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
The majority of eligible voters already don’t vote. Low voter turnout does not embarrassment the rich and powerful, it just makes the system easier to control. Fewer voters means fewer people to answer to, fewer people to influence, and fewer people to shuffle around through gerrymandering.
For fuck sake, they are consistently trying to make it harder for people to vote. They want lower turnout. They know their most loyal supporters will still vote. They’d much rather have their base be the only ones bothering to show up to the polls. They don’t care about legitimacy, they care about winning.
frank@sopuli.xyz 5 hours ago
I assume all those “vote third party both side same” people were bots or Russian trolls. Obviously trump was always gonna be way worse
null@piefed.nullspace.lol 5 hours ago
Are you saying the entire dbzer0 instance is administered by a bot?
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
I don’t think they’re all trolls. I think there are a few right-wing trolls who got stupid people to buy into their astroturf campaign and then it took off from there. IIRC, one of the people in Mi openly admitted that he was a Republican and saw it was an easy wedge issue to get people not to vote.
ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 hour ago
Let’s be honest. It wasn’t because of any leftist that she lost. It’s because she is a woman of color. Racism and misogyny is very well alive and has power in the USA. If they put another white man with the exact some politics then trump would have lost. Everyone wants to argue over silly points missing the clear truth of how backwards and messed up the USA still is.
Objection@lemmy.ml 19 minutes ago
Three female senators won in swing states Kamala lost (Wisconsin, Nevada, Michigan), a Hispanic man won a fourth (Arizona), while white men lost in Pennsylvania and Ohio. Biden also was polling poorly when he dropped out.
I don’t know why I bother making that point because the response is invariably “Well people are just sexist/racist about the position of president” limiting the data set to one single point (two if you include Clinton, though probably not three because Obama doesn’t count). In this way, all conflicting evidence is shut out.
It’s just a way to avoid any actually useful critique of the Democrats’ platform, to shift blame to the voters rather than looking at what could actually be improved upon, because that might make somebody look bad. Which is ironic, because I seem to recall that one reason Harris refused to distance herself from Biden in any way (which contributed to her loss) was wanting to protect his “legacy.”
The truth is that Kamala Harris was a bad candidate with bad political instincts running a bad strategy. She never would’ve even been the nominee if there’d been a real primary. She went all in on Dick Cheney of all people who virtually no one, right or left, actually likes, while she completely alienated anyone who was pro-Palestine when it would’ve cost her nothing to pretend to care and the hardcore Zionists weren’t going to vote for her anyway. She doubled down on Biden’s economic policy and ran on more of the same despite the fact that people’s groceries had gotten more expensive. All of those things played a bigger role in her loss than her race or gender, and until we acknowledge that, we’re just gonna keep getting shitty candidates who do the same and lose.
Krauerking@lemy.lol 46 minutes ago
You are working backwards to find the answer you want to just simplify people into being as bad as you want them to be.
Don’t just take the easy lazy logic or you will dirty yourself too into looking as racist and misogynistic yourself by saying those words aloud for others.
queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 hours ago
Harris chose to lose the most winnable election in history because Democrats know they can punish voters for being disloyal simply by allowing Republicans to win. If you demand too much from Democrats they will throw the election. It’s essentially a hostage situation, you must give unconditional support to the Good Cop or the Bad Cop will beat you to death. You don’t want the Bad Cop, do you?
If we don’t abolish this system we’re all going to die.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Harris chose to lose the most winnable election in history
Dems already shat the bed in 2022, handing Republicans a narrow majority in the House because they refused to pursue Congressional criminal misconduct from the prior administration or do anything about state voter disenfranchisement or gerrymandering while they controlled the federal government. Nevermind the clown car of corporate toadies and unloveable hacks they larded up with corporate donations.
Little reason to believe they’d do better in 2024, given that Biden made “supporting a genocide” and “rolling back COVID benefits” his central platforms for the next two years.
How is an election “winnable” when your party is married to policies everyone hates? It’s like complaining about Mitt Romney losing in 2012, when Obama was underwater. The GOP trotted out an absolutely odious corporate turd - a man who literally penned the editorial “Let Detroit Go Bankrupt” four years earlier - and married him to a nepo-baby who hates social security as VP. Of course they fucking lost.
You don’t get to talk about an election being “winnable” if you insist sandbagging the primaries to run loser candidates in the general.
2024 was Trump’s election to lose. He capitalized on people’s disgust with liberals. He leaned heavily on TPUSA, QAnon, and other effective social media campaigns to juice MAGA support. He promised to bail out TikTok, the only company that wasn’t run by an American oligarch, while Biden was threatening to run them out of business. He rallied his base voters while liberals embarked upon the worst internal voter suppression campaign since 1968. And he did it all as fascist tendencies in the US were cresting.
Harris wasn’t running a winnable campaign. She was struggling (badly) to bail out a floundering Biden debacle.
If we don’t abolish this system we’re all going to die.
Everyone dies eventually. But this government seems intent on accelerating things.
queermunist@lemmy.ml 13 minutes ago
Trump only got 49.9% of the vote. He has never been popular, even by capitalizing on disgust with liberals. It really wasn’t his election to lose, he’s not actually a strong candidate. He won by playing against an opponent that doesn’t want to win.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 hours ago
No matter how it might appear, the DNC didn’t fucking throw the election. Jesus Christ, who upvotes this shit?
queermunist@lemmy.ml 17 minutes ago
The only other reasonable explanation is that they’re too stupid and don’t know how to win elections.
If you think that the Democratic party are stupid, you are delusional.
wpb@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
I take issue with your use of the adjective “good” in “good cop”.
Paddzr@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
I doubt it. Trump got those votes regardless of what Harris could’ve done.
People want to be openly racist and homophobic.
queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 hours ago
The reason Harris lost is because people stayed home, not because they voted for Trump or third parties.
Nalivai@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Damn, americans are pathetic. Pweease, generate a candidate for me so I can find enough motivation to send a letter.
Fucking idiots, you lost your country to fascist without any resistance, and brought problems to the whole worldKrauerking@lemy.lol 48 minutes ago
We have 2 years to find a candidate who doesnt try to fix systemic and financial issues with changing social structures.
thingAmaBob@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Have the republicans even bothered to give a name for 2028?
Objection@lemmy.ml 17 minutes ago
The fact that they’ve been memeing about Trump having a third term tells you how excited they are about their actual prospects.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Just like the musk/trump split was visible miles away, any figure running for president after trump will inevetably be shit on by trump and his media aparatus because of his narcissitic insecurities.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
They haven’t dared. If they manage to convince Trump to follow the Constitution for a change, whoever his successor is will have to have his blessing.
Crashumbc@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Imagine a group thinking Palestine swung the needle at all on US elections. ROFL…
That is getting close to “flat earth” level of denial.
Kamela ran a horrible, lame, corporate platform.
kameecoding@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Most importantly she committed the worst crime against the swing voters in the US by not being a man and not being white on top of that.
I think every other explanation is wishful thinking about just how sexist and racist the average US voter is.
You can blame lame platform or stance on Palestine, but I have a hard time believing that the explanation isn’t simply sexism + racism.
I don’t recall Biden having an inspiring campaign, he was simply a white male that wasn’t trump and he beat him.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 hours ago
Biden was also right after Trump’s first term, when anger was at its highest, and supposed to save us from covid.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Kamela ran a horrible, lame, corporate platform.
And in a reasonable world this wouldn’t have mattered. People are unreasonable.
Astrius@lemmy.ml 1 hour ago
Lol we need to overthrow the system
DagwoodIII@piefed.social 7 hours ago
By that logic, no one should have supported racist America and colonist Britain against the Nazis.
Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
Western leadership didn’t tweet their every racist thought to the public
DagwoodIII@piefed.social 6 hours ago
Everything you wrote is wrong. Sorry, but I can’t say it any other way.
First, being racist was the default position for any Western leader in that era. FDR having Black combat troops was a hugely controversial idea. People knew what Churchill had done in India.
Read ‘The Autobiography of Malcom X.’ There were plenty of Black Americans who believed that the system was perfect. Plenty of colonized peoples thought that ‘the Mother Country’ had done them a favor by civilizing them.
MTZ@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Damn you and your logic!
DagwoodIII@piefed.social 6 hours ago
I’ve posted this a lot, and I’ll post it again.
Read up on Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority. Back in the 1970s televangelist Falwell decided to get involved in GOP politics. He had a simple formula; he’d send his people to any local Republican event. If twenty people total had shown up the last time the club picked the new county clerk, Falwell would have fifty there. Those dogcatchers and justices of the peace were soon Congress members and Senators and governors.
nialv7@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
i won’t say i will “support” them per se, but i will tolerate them as long as they are fighting the nazis.
Ryoae@piefed.social 4 hours ago
I am sorry but if people still think the Palestinian conflict is the end-all and be-all of where the state of the world goes, much less, where America goes. Then they’re no better than the single-minded voters that helped the Republicans win twice.
There will ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS be conflict going on over the Middle-East with everyone there. It is NEVER-ENDING. We’ve wasted nearly 20 years dicking around with Afghanistan and Iraq. All for what? So the Taliban can take over territory in less than a week after all that effort? What a waste!
What we needed to do and should have done was hold Israel accountable and not fund them anymore. If to them, makes us look anti semitic, then so what? They’re the aggressors, they’re the ones being tyrannical bastards right now and if they can’t see that then it’s their problem they need to sort out or don’t. Whatever floats their little boat.
But also, we have so much shit to fix here that it’ll be a bit until we get there. We’ve already squandered telling Israel to stop their shit.
Objection@lemmy.ml 7 minutes ago
There will ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS be conflict going on over the Middle-East with everyone there. It is NEVER-ENDING. We’ve wasted nearly 20 years dicking around with Afghanistan and Iraq. All for what? So the Taliban can take over territory in less than a week after all that effort? What a waste!
Sorry, I’m having a lot of trouble trying to connect the dots between the US waging decades long wars of aggression in the Middle East and accomplished nothing with the idea that it’s acceptable to keep sending weapons and fueling conflict through a proxy.
AppleTea@lemmy.zip 2 hours ago
“There’s always never-ending conflict in the middle east” is a rather convenient position to take for the globe-spanning military super-power that’s been meddling in the region for more than half a century.
Ryoae@piefed.social 2 hours ago
Must be a bold response from someone who presumably never took history lessons and learned about the history of that region. Educate yourself.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
The meme is unironically true though. I hate the candidates that the dnc puts forward, but I hate the opposition more. 2016 and 2024 kinda shows how the meme is unfortunately rather accurate, and I heard plenty of people advocating for not voting for Kamala because of stances that trump was objectively worse on.
wpb@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Elections are no time for democracy, that’s some tankie shit.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 7 hours ago
If Trump runs again you’ve fucked up. He can’t just run for a third term.
protist@mander.xyz 6 hours ago
Here in Texas, our leading candidates for Senate (James Talarico) and governor (Gina Hinojosa) are taking refreshingly reality-based positions on Gaza and seem to be developing campaigns aimed directly against billionaires. I like what I’ve been hearing
Sir_Premiumhengst@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Well, we don’t live in a fucking vacuum. Swallow your pride or you’ll be made to swallow repubelican dick.
null@piefed.nullspace.lol 5 hours ago
Notice the Leftist in this image is purity-testing and making demands while doing nothing themselves?
Pretty accurate meme!
ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Every fascist regime in history has gained power in part because the left was too busy infighting to resist.
zxqwas@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
You don’t win elections by convincing the far left/ right to vote for you. They will vote for/against you no matter what (or abstain from voting because they see you as equally too far left/right as your opponent).
You win by convincing the undecided voters in the middle. Every vote you gain from the center is also a vote your opponent lose.
Convince them you’ll give them better living standards and they won’t care what you do with foregin policy and minority rights.
Convince them that your priorities is minorities and foregin policy and they will tell you that it’s all good and well but they are about to lose their job and the cost of living is going up so they are just going to vote for the other guy that promises to fix that.
joyjoy@lemmy.zip 4 hours ago
This is like your parents telling you to “clean your room or sleep in the yard” so you prepare to go camping.
rumba@lemmy.zip 3 minutes ago
Let’s flip that over.
Leftists, you have two years to put forth an incredibly well-funded candidate that’s more palatable to the ultra-rich, corporate sponsors, left, and the right than the DNC/RNC candidates. You need more than 50% by a decent margin because they’re not going to let you in, you need half the boomers and genexers and youngbloods out there to write in a name.
OR
Once again, you’ll be here figuring out weather you’d rather vote for DNC or not at all and let RNC take us for another ride.