The best example of an asshole atheist they could find was one making a shitty anti-theist meme, meanwhile the examples of asshole Christians and Muslims are violent
Maybe it's just a human thing.
Submitted 3 weeks ago by cm0002@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
CCP and USSR stamped out religious practice, but go off.
As an Atheist myself, don’t delude yourself into thinking religion is unique in its capacity for horrors. Humans have that capacity, any group we make would also have that capacity.
Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
I was commenting on the examples the meme chose to use. It implies they couldn’t find examples of violent atheists
TerranFenrir@lemmy.ca 4 days ago
The existence of religions itself is harmful to me. Religions make public manipulation very easy. This leads to power accumulation, which is very dangerous for me (unless I’m the one doing the manipulation). Hence, it is in my interest to stamp out all religions.
However, the methods used by the CCP and the USSR failed to stamp out religion. Repression makes religion stronger. In my opinion, societal indoctrination of the laws of logic would stand a better chance at eradicating religion. In other words, good education that revolves around the workings of logic, logical fallacies, etc. would stand a bigger chance at this
Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“Praise science!” - Southpark
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Clearly they didn’t dona good enough job seeing how religion was never stamped out you wana be victum
pyre@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
well you can find them on social media on women instead.
or look at a popular one like Dawkins who is busy being a transphobe nowadays. imagine being an atheist and wasting the remainder of your precious and only life trying to make the precious and only life of the most marginalized people in society even worse.
or sam harris who literally defended torture.
Kolrami@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Still. Putting Dawkins up against the KKK is a reach.
Firebirdie713@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
There are a lot of edgy athiests using all their time attacking trans people these days, because an unfortunate number of them are mainly athiests as a way to hate Muslims. And the ones taking the time to attack trans people have almost all joined the alt right, which has been responsible for a lot of attacks on innocent people.
They may not be killing in the name of atheism, but they have been in the same of “reason” and “defence of women”.
Burninator05@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Maybe I’m sheltered but I don’t know of a single atheist attacking trans people. I’m not saying there aren’t any because anyone can be an asshole but I’m not sure if it’s a lot.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I haven’t seen that. Why would they need to be atheist to hate Muslims? You can do that from anywhere.
laserm@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Mao, Kim jong un, Stalin…
drmoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They weren’t killing in the name of atheism though
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Many atheists take part in racism and violence. There was plenty during the Cold War, collapse of Yugoslavia, Gulf War, post-9/11 and both Trump terms.
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah but they don’t do it in the name of atheism. Being an atheist doesn’t mean you can’t be a cunt just the same as being religious doesn’t mean you can’t be a cunt.
glorkon@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
No atheist hates god. How can you hate something you don’t think exists?
HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone 3 weeks ago
The correct word would be “antitheist”
Lemminary@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s misotheist
glorkon@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That’s as may be, but that’s not the word that was used in the meme.
angrystego@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I guess you can hate god as a concept. God can be proven to exists in human minds (no esoteric stuff, just psychology and sociology). You can hate this scientific fact and what it means for humankind.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Tbf, you can think god isn’t “real” while also hating the concept of “god” for being responsible for so much war and division throughout history (among other reasons.)
glorkon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well in that case, if a religious person accuses you that you hate their god, it’s still not true. Because that religious person thinks of their god as a real entity, while you hate their concept of god. The target of that hate is not the same.
kshade@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
People hate on fictional characters all the time though.
laserm@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There is a difference between god as a character and God as a concept; the former one is (in my belief) nonexistent, the latter exists as long as his worshipper worship him.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I dunno. I’m not entirely an atheist (my religion is blasphemy. If the gods exist, they like a target) but I can hate something I don’t think exists. Some of those deities are godsdamned genocidal maniacs and pedophiles.
Gladaed@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Since we are already being unhelpful: Atheist don’t all are unsure about if God exists. Some may believe God does not exist, some don’t care. Some believers might be unsure or don’t care either.
Chocobofangirl@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
being unsure or uncaring is supposed to be agnosticism, though. atheism is an outright rejection of the possibility. (this is NOT a commentary on if one is more correct than the other.)
carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
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actually dangerous extremist
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guy in a ninja costume with a knife
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weird meme
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completely made up stereotype
1/4: do better next time!
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Misandrists exist, but most are harmless. Social media just does a good job of amplifying them like all outrage.
StarlightDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
No it doesn’t. You just don’t want to admit that you benefit from misogyny.
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inlandempire@jlai.lu 3 weeks ago
American war propaganda poster for illustrating feminism, that’s certainly a choice
ch00f@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yeah and “we can do it,” until the men come back home and take the jobs back.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Reminds me a of a joke “Why do people in North Dakota spend so much time at the bar?
Because Colonel Custer told them to hang out there until he got back.”
rabber@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
How many men died over there though. Those jobs were /became vacant
lefixxx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
ITT people missing the point and projecting their own beliefs and values.
This is how people “strawman”. It’s easy to hate on atheists if you just see them all as their asshole members. The truth is that any group has their violent nutjobs and vocal minorities. You can’t just say all Muslims are terrorists just the same as you can’t say feminists are hateful crazies.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nah religon is actually evil
BigBenis@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As much as I resent religion, I do believe it’s fundamentally a human problem. People everywhere have a tendency to corrupt beliefs in order to justify being assholes to one another.
doomcanoe@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
100%
That being said, dogmatic belief systems, which tend to be common in religion, seem to act as force multipliers in this regard.
DozensOfDonner@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
Yeah especially if such dogmatic beliefs make people think dumb or unethical stuff is somehow okay.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Religon was created as a control mechanism for governments that didn’t have the capability to enforce laws.
It’s a method to make communities self police.
Today it is a dangerous tool left lying around for any con man to pick up and weild
That’s why fascist movements always have a religious/nationalist base.
PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I dont get it, which minority am I supposed to blame for all my problems now?
Carrot@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Billionaires
Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
the assholes
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Unfortunately, they are no longer a minority.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The 1%
A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Terrible implementation of a decent idea, try again
Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
The Christian one should be a missionary actually helping people. Christian faith that only exists in church is a false faith
spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Christian faith that only exists in church is a false faith
They’re probably going for how the religion is not what it’s supposed to be.
cholesterol@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And ‘assholes’ just appear at random? Nothing in these groups increases or decreases the asshole frequency? Imagine if we thought of all culture that way. Forget about progressive politics changing people’s minds and thereby their behavior. “Some people are just ‘assholes’, what are you gonna do?”
lefixxx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Assuming the probability of assholiness based on culture is how you treat cultures unequally. You fight assholiness in the individual level. You can’t change a culture like that. You can only educate people and they will change their own culture.
cholesterol@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Assuming the probability of assholiness based on culture is how you treat cultures unequally.
If you agree that bad ideas can be part of cultures (large or small) to a higher or lesser degree, it follows that some cultures have a higher frequency of people with the need for the individual ‘education’ you’re suggesting.
wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Not all beliefs are equal. If you hold by a holy text that says that women can (and should) be bought and sold or are otherwise ‘lesser’ than men, or you revere an imbecilic demagogue who claims that all immigrants are rapists, murderers and gang members, then yes, the “culture” of your group will have a higher probability of any given person being an asshole than a group of randomly-selected Humanists, for example. To equivocate that all belief systems are equal from a moral perspective is deeply naive.
TerranFenrir@lemmy.ca 4 days ago
I hate God.
- The concept
- God is an outdated hypothesis presented to explain reality at a time when the scientific method didn’t exist.
- Testable variations of this hypothesis have never succeeded at proving the existence of God. Untestable variations are useless.
- Different communities of people have weaponized the concept of God to somehow prove their moral frameworks as objective reality to impose them on others.
- The ruling class has weaponized God to accumulate more power.
- The character
- If God indeed exists, God is an asshole. If they are indeed the creator of this reality, pain and suffering exist because of them. Assuming they are all powerful, they can eliminate pain and suffering while still achieving their terminal goal behind the creation of this reality. Unless the terminal goal is causing pain and suffering itself. Both explanations point to God being an asshole.
- Another branch of this argument can be that “God cannot eliminate pain and suffering to achieve the terminal goal, which is NOT to cause pain and suffering”. This means that there are certain rules that apply to God too. Meaning, that God is not all powerful. God is just someone MORE powerful than us. We are at the mercy of God. To achieve the terminal goal, God is willing to put us through pain and suffering. God is evil. As God is bound by certain rules, and is not all powerful, a possibility exists of couping God. God must be couped.
frezik@midwest.social 3 weeks ago
Prefer the Norman Rockwell version of Rosie the Rivitor:
www.nrm.org/rosie-the-riveter/
The Norman Rockwell Museum are cowards. The photo crops out the bottom, where she’s using Mein Kampf as a footstool.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
That is cowardly, that’s one of the few things its good for. Maybe fixing a wobbly table leg, and when you’re out of toilet paper.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m not sure I’d use Bill Nye as the example of the asshole atheist, unless that’s the joke. Maybe Christopher Hitchens.
yesman@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
No, it’s saying Nye is a good person. He’s an atheist and not an asshole.
But you do touch on something because it would be a challenge to find someone known for being atheist while also being a decent human being. IDK, maybe Daniel Dennitt?
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I see. Perhaps I misunderstood the format.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Carl Sagan, Isaac Asimov, Greta Christina, James Randi, Julia Sweeney, Taslima Nasrin, Hemant Mehta
minnow@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
For the asshole, I would have gone with Dawkins
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This is lemmy. All these people are like 14. They have no idea who Dawkins is.
Bassman1805@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Bill Nye kind of is a dick though.
Some people are really warm in acute person-to-person interactions, but lack the chronic empathy to spread long-term kindness. See “southern hospitality” clashing with who those areas vote for.
Others have a well-oriented moral compass but are just really abrasive in person. That’s Bill Nye. I’ve met him and he’s not like, super mean but he’s got a bit of a holier-than-thou (or rather, smarter-than-you) complex.
rational_lib@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
3 of these are real examples things the people on the right did, the last is a meme made to make fun of feminists. Don’t get me wrong, there’s a level of feminism that goes too far, I just have yet to see an example of this in real life. There’s something about women in general that makes society dismiss them offhand as silly and ridiculous.
gmtom@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So you’ve never met a TERF in real life?
Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
hi. proud asshole here. destroy all abrahamic religions for the sake of humanity.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The downvotes for this are wild lmao
Geometrinen_Gepardi@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
That’s right, extremism breeds assholes.
Thcdenton@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Sorry for the autism :)
Why is the bottom right picture done like that, it looks like these feminists just want to be more like men.
Why am I saying this? Because that position of the arm is there to show a bulging contracted bicep. Women have a lot less muscle there, so it doesn’t make sense.
Wouldn’t feminism be better when striving for things that women are naturally better at than men.
We don’t need to do the same stuff, everyone can do what they want.
But don’t make a fish climb a tree. Everyone should cultivate their own strengths and learn their own weaknesses.
And for women, being physically strong will usually be less attainable. Obviously there are exceptions. When I was 65 kg I could deadlift 140 kg, so a lot of muscle isn’t actually needed for strength, but still you get what I’m saying.
This type of stuff, as I was growing up, made me actually believe men and women were the same.
After years of talking extensively to men and women, I can assure you that’s not the case.
There should be no stereotyping, but we are indeed different and do not need to be the same.
/End autistic rant
MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Its always fun when the christian pastor will joke about changing the carpets in the church, while i see posts about the muslims in ramadan will give food to the poor during thier religious month or ramadan.
Hell (jumping to the dark side. Sorry muslims) but suicide bombers are willing to give thier life to what they believe in (yes, killing others is bad, but giving your life to a cause is respectible), while my christian pastor will live next to neighbours sleeping on a matress in thier front yard, and do nothing to help thier PHYSICAL neighbour.
Maybe I am the outlier, but for all I see, Christians are the ones pretending to do good, while the muslims had a rough patch almost 20 years ago, and are doing more good that the christians in the last 5 years or so.
Godnroc@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Represent those you want to support with the best examples and those you want to oppose with the worst examples. Ignore that every group is made of people and people come in many distinct, unique varieties because it doesn’t fit your narrative.
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Is that Elon
aviationeast@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Need an asshole, hyrulian fortune teller…
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Assholes of our worser nature?
Sibshops@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
The bottom-left one for Feminists doesn’t fit. The others are things that were created by their own group, for example, the KKK was created by Christians. That Feminist meme, on the other hand, wasn’t created by feminists but by someone else to mock them.
hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
And the “keep calm and hate god” was clearly created by a theist, not an atheist
Sibshops@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Good point. Why would an atheist hate something which doesn’t exist. The whole meme is bad.
Venator@lemmy.nz 2 weeks ago
Should be a picture of Stalin.
angrystego@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The word god is used as a stand-in for religion. A synecdoche.
tias@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
The number of assholes calling themselves feminists vastly outnumber the actual feminists.
Kena@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Most feminists just don’t call themselves feminists anymore because doing so makes you very likely to get harassed
lowleveldata@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
TBF I think it’d be risky to use legit examples for that panel
Banana@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
TERFs maybe?
Nosavingthrow@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I vote OP take the meme down and repost it with Shiela Jeffries or Camille Paglia replacing the feminist…