I mean if you have a better way to make viewers understand what people with hearing impairments go through every day, then I’m all ears.
Amazon thought it would be a good idea to not include subtitles in a film made entirely with sign language.
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k0e3@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
PlaidBaron@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Phrasing.
hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Are we not doing phrasing anymore?
11111one11111@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
[deleted]BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
MAGA film criticism.
Tiger666@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Wow.
Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Guy whos never watched movies or felt empathy:
qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
🤣
echodot@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
The literally is a movie about people suffering from cancer. And one about somebody who’s lost a limb. I’m surprised someone as clearly educated in the film arts as you doesn’t know that.
mriormro@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I’m always surprised by how stupid people can get.
Congrats!
nomy@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Have you seen the trash currently being turned out? What could it hurt? Tell someone elses story, maybe it’ll be entertaining.
MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Yeah, god forbid you might gain a new perspective and develop gag empathy for people that live different lives or have different problems than you do
HoneyMustardGas@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Is that Jim from The Office!?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
CIA Jim, yes
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
He couldn’t stay in Athlead forever.
FluidBeef@quokk.au 3 weeks ago
I want there to be a film with both Tim and Jim sitting at a desk pulling reaction faces to camera at everything going on.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
The worst is when you’re watching something with subtitles (in your own language because it’s hard to hear sometimes), then someone on screen speaks a different language with the subtitles hardcoded into the video.
Great, right?
Well no, because Amazon’s (or Netflix etc, they all do it) subtitles have a big “[Speaks German]” up the entire time, blocking the hard coded subs entirely so you cannot see what they say without temporarily disabling subs.
It’s so fucking stupid and infuriating. How have they not addressed this shit?
Doom@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I get a special kind of mad when I watch a foreign film in its original language. Turn on that language’s subtitles and the subtitles don’t match what’s being verbally said because apparently the subs have been translated into English then back into the original language so nothing matches and everything sucks. Or worse when they’ve translated some idiom for American audiences and have translated that idiom back so what’s being said makes zero sense.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Whenever I watch anything in Japanese with my boyfriend, we put on English subtitles for him. Meanwhile, I spend most of the time screaming internally “THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY SAID. THIS IS NOT WHAT ANYONE IS SAYING!?!” instead of actually enjoying the show.
alternategait@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is an accessibility issue and the FCC takes it pretty seriously. Captions must be accurate, complete, synchronized (or as close to as possible), and (this is the important one in this case) cannot obscure important information on the screen.
It’s a pretty easy form, but they do want a lot of details.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“cannot obscure important information”
The FCC is American though. Anything in a “foreign language” is clearly not important information to them.
mkwt@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The FCC regulates closed captions on over the air broadcast television.
They’re not going to regulate the Internet streaming services.
yuknowhokat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sometimes for fun I’ll watch it foreign language movie I’ll turn on English dubbing and run subtitles as well. It’s really hilarious how different the two will be
JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Oh I hate that. Netflix animes are super bad about it. I wish they’d have the subbed English dub as well instead of a translated sub.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Yeah I remember Man in the High Castle was really terrible with subtitles. It didn’t have hard-coded subtitles at all and the programmatic ones didn’t work reliably. So I’d be sitting there and and thinking “ok am I not supposed to know what they’re saying?” After the scene goes on for a while it becomes “yeah I definitely supposed to know what they’re saying well I guess I have to mess with subtitle settings.” Sometimes it wouldn’t work at all and I’d have to open a ticket with Amazon Prime and wait until they got it working.
So I guess they gave up on fixing subtitles and just baked them in. But still fucked it up anyway. Apparently a company as big as Amazon still can’t do QA on the use case of someone who’s an english speaker just watching on their platform. It’s sad.
k0e3@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
The only time a “[speaks German]” type of subs is acceptable is when the audience is not supposed to understand what’s being said. Obscuring the hardcoded subs with that bullshit is absolutely infuriating.
Aneb@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It happens on Jellyfin too but probably because the subs and videos are pulled from the same source
JackTea@piefed.world 3 weeks ago
That’s not going to work for me. I can’t read. Can they do a dub?
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
That’s called audio description, they do it for blind audiences.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
My Dad is incredibly dyslexic, and it’s a legit issue for him.
Growing up, if a movie or TV show had subs we had to take turns reading it out loud for him. I still have to catch myself trying to do automatically it when we’re watching something with other people.
anguo@piefed.ca 3 weeks ago
I grew up in a country where movies are rarely dubbed. I was reading the subtitles out loud for my siblings who couldn’t read yet for entire movies.
cobysev@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
if a movie or TV show had subs we had to take turns reading it out loud
I do this for my wife, because she spends most of a film on her phone.
She’s listening to the audio and can mostly follow what’s going on by glancing at the screen and reading subtitles every now and then, but if there’s a foreign language with subtitles, or a text description (Paris, 11 AM or 10 years later, etc.), she’ll miss it and then be completely lost.
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to pause a movie and give a quick recap to get her caught up with the plot.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
That’s either “sign language doesn’t work with our speech-to-text algorithm and we’ll be throat fucked if we hire an actual person to do a job” or some massively pretentious statement about accessibility in media.
Archimedes@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
One masquerading as the other
arc99@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
More likely it’s a technical goof, somebody not folding the full English (and other language) subtitles into the streaming container.
tigermountain@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What pisses me off about subtitles is when they start displaying lyrics to songs playing in the background.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Although I love it when they subtitle the inaudible-but-foreshadowing news anchor in the background.
Rooster326@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Snatch is a completely different movie if you can understand Bradd Pitts character.
kip@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
SDH subtitles (subtitles for the deaf & hard of hearing) describe all the relevant sounds in a scene including background song lyrics, there is likely to be another plain subtitle track if you don’t want that
JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Oh if only. I’ve seen two tracks on occasion on streaming services but it’s extremely rare. I think it was on Netflix or Prime and it’s been years since I’ve seen it. As someone who is not hard of hearing but just has a little trouble understanding sometimes it’s very useful to have the option that’s exclusively dialogue.
ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
English subs typically are never plain unfortunately
Ellvix@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If the song lyrics are relevant to the scene, sure I could see them being there. Like those songs that are custom written to do a sort of 4th wall breaking live commentary on the characters. But a lot of songs? Not needed at all.
Landless2029@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t mind stuff like that when it’s at the top of the screen like a fansub
tigermountain@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s a good idea.
glitchdx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Or there’s no lyrics but the subtitles keep repeating “heat” or “scary”.
swizzlestick@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I’ve not had scary yet, but heat does come up a lot for me in autogenerated subs when it can’t figure out wtf is going on.
Gentle backing music:
Subtitles: Heat
tigermountain@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s hilarious.
Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I don’t mind it as long as they do something like italics and little music notes or either end
Rug_Pisser@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
Sometimes, and specifically on Amazon prime, if a show / movie has hard coded subs (for sign or other foreign languages) you will need to turn off the optional subtitle setting.
Of course then, when someone does speak out loud you won’t get your normal subs until you turn the setting back on. I used to put in a new complaint for each show that it happened on until i canned prime altogether and went back to pirating all their content.
Carighan@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
Germany adds the funky police that sometimes only German subtitles are allowed no matter the audio language you pick. So if there are no German-language subtitles because none were ever made, well you’re shit out of luck now, fuck you and your subtitle needs! 😐
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Its really weird that they do that. Like I would have assumed that the hardcoded subs were part of the video.
FluidBeef@quokk.au 3 weeks ago
This film would never work for second screen viewers because the characters would have to nonstop be saying “I’m being really quiet” or “we can’t make any noise, even loud breathing, or the monster will get us”.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
I see this more and more with shit on streaming services where, for some fucking reason, they strip the subtitles out for the non-native language parts even tho they are supposed to be subtitled for the audience. Like for example I wanted to see the new Ghostbusters the other day since it was on HBO which I have, but half-way through I had to stop it and pirate it anyway, because all the scenes with just the bad guys talking was supposed to be subtitled but they took the god damn subs out. They didn’t even translate the dialogue in closed captioning even tho the audience is supposed to know what they are saying.
Wispy2891@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I was watching rental family (an american guy moves to japan to be an actor and speaks a very little japanese) and somehow they decided to ignore all the parts in japanese and from the subtitles there was only the english parts. In the beginning i was like "ok, it’s to let the audience know that the protagonist does not understand what they’re shouting to him - then finally i had to pirate a sub from opensubtitles to understand was going on as the dialogues were 95% in japanese
immutable@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
My favorite is when services will put a caption like “[speaking spanish]” over top of the English subtitles that are in a film for a Spanish speaking character.
The film maker put the subtitles in there so if you can’t speak Spanish you can understand what the character is saying and then you can’t read it because Amazon decided to helpfully inform you they are speaking.
Snoopy@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
As a deaf person, why not ? :)
UntitledQuitting@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
so you’re against accessibility?
PinkyPeaky@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t think they are against it. I think this is just a rather dark humour way to say this is my everyday normatively
bhamlin@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
🫵🤏🤞🤞🤘☝️👍🤌👍🤞🤌🫱🫲🫷👉👐🫶🙌🫶🤛
rovingnothing29@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
This made me curious how many words in ASL can be made just using the hand emojis. 🤔
PlaidBaron@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Not many.
KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
afaik 🤟 is the only emoji based off an ASL sign so I don’t think there’s many
ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Directions unclear, stealing third base
beejboytyson@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Hey man let the deaf people have one. No need to make about yourself.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
Maybe you missed the point.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Then there are the shows too cheap to make real subtitles and instead use auto generated ones that can’t handle accents or names.
dustyData@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
For a decade tech has fucked sub’s accessibility. The landscape is a complete mess, simultaneously stuck with tech that is too old and also suffering from awful implementation of new tech (LLMs suck at closed captioning but everyone insist it is the only way to do it now). Yet context reading to know who needs subs when is still so archaic and depends completely on user input. But then, the content is always innadecuate, specially when it’s for the hearing impaired.
IWW4@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I am a bit lost here.
I just watched A Quiet Place on Amazon and it had subtitles…
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Yes but think about how diverse it is
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It takes a pretty hardcore film goer to learn a while language just to watch a movie.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s a shit film anyway
ruuster13@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
No info about film in thread: mildy infuriating.
sanitation@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
U haven’t seen that movie?
ruuster13@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
U have seen this one?
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FluidBeef@quokk.au 3 weeks ago
I’m from Lollywood, you’ve probably never heard of it.