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ccunning@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I think he’s suggesting you die

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- Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
  Well… ok… I guess if we are going to die by the millions then we should… I dont know die doing something… what ever that is…
  
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- LuxSpark@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Yeah, because if you can’t afford to live, then you certainly can’t afford to move to another country.
  
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  - ByteJunk@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Not sure if this is a jest, but it isn’t true.
    
    People move to other countries sometimes with little more than the clothes on their backs - just look at historical immigration to the US.
    
    If you have the luxury of doing it the proper way - getting a job offer, a place to live, etc - then that’s perfect, but desperate people will do desperate things to survive.
    
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- Okokimup@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  And decrease the surplus population.
  
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  - Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Then they should stop trying to fight abortions! We’reTRYING to shrink the unwanted populations, but we’re getting stuck with these unwanted kids.
    
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  - W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    “If they’d rather die, they’d better do it and decrease the surplus population” - Scrooge
    
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- Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  I might take him up on that!
  
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kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
For context, he was speaking about living in expensive metropolitan cities, suggesting people move into less expensive places within the US, like the interior states. Ben says enough stupid shit to mock without isolating a quote from context to make it seem like he said/meant something else entirely.

Hell, there’s plenty to push back on with this quote and argument even understanding what he actually meant. “Just move somewhere cheaper”. Like that’s a much easier thing to say than do.

If you’re unable to afford living where you are, then you’re probably going to struggle to afford the costs of moving. Then there’s the logistics of finding work and housing wherever you move to from another state. If you don’t have money to coast on for temporary housing, gas and food, you either need a company willing to hire you and provide you assistance to move or a personal connection in the area that’ll let you crash on their couch.

Your field of work may just not exist in Guthrie, Oklahoma, or wherever. Leaving metro areas may mean changing careers. And those careers may not pay anywhere near as much either. Your costs may go down, but your wages might go with it.

Leaving your home city means leaving all of your support structures. Your parents, siblings, friends, peers, etc. Some people may really depend on those. Or maybe sometime depends on you specifically. Maybe your mom isn’t healthy? Maybe you have a sister dealing with addiction? Maybe they need your presence to ensure their care.

There are political, legal, and health considerations in changing states. Do you have an active sex life and don’t want to be afraid that you’ll die from an unaborted ectopic pregnancy? Have a trans child? Are you not white? Then you may be more limited in suitable places to live outside of metropolitan city.

This sidesteps the actual problem here, the why of it all. Why they can’t afford to live in the city they grew up in. Why is pay so bad? Why is housing so expensive? Why are groceries so expensive? But no, no. We can’t question or address those things. That’s just business baby. Free market capitalism at work. Let it ride, unregulated. Just move your ass out of the way to Hastings, Nebraska or some shit.
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- CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Your comment is exactly why they say this type of thing and why it always works for them: they spit out a curt catchphrase/gotcha/“just asking questions” and to even begin to address the absurdity of it you need a bulleted list of ask the ways it’s wrong. By the, even the non-red pilled person has moved on and lost interest before reading a rebuttal, but they remember the original talking point. It’s worked far too well for far too long.
  
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  - VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    It’s an aggressive mix of the gish gallop and motte and bailey fallacies.
    
    There’s nothing you can do with the average person not being invested enough in politics to inquire further, and the lack of controls on public speakers. Except stoop to their level I suppose.
    
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  - cybernihongo@reddthat.com ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    “Never Play Defense,” right?
    
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- captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  So I will concede that he doesn’t give half a shit about 4, and thinks that people who have less rights in interior states shouldn’t have those rights anywhere. Furthermore I think he wants to separate the victims of his beliefs from ordinary working class people. Easier to hate a caricature of someone when they aren’t your neighbor.
  
  But I’ll add 2 more:
  
  The cost of living is going up in many previously cheap places now too. Some it’s not, my first apartment is apparently cheaper now than when I lived there, but it’s not a place many people are going to want to live. The nearest cities which are historically budget friendly cities on the other hand are no longer budget friendly. And no the places that are cheap aren’t scenic bumfuck nowhere, it’s small towns that aren’t pretty and don’t have much to do, even outdoors stuff.
  
  Cheaper places are increasingly non functional in basic governance and public services. Public transit? Yeah good fucking luck even in the cities people think should be fine. When you get to really small bumfuck nowhere you better hope you don’t need medicine fast, Benny boy helped ensure that the hospitals in those places shut down by fighting against Medicare and Medicaid. The water? Contaminated. What are you getting for your taxes? A bad school, a censored library, asshole cops who are bored when you’re coming home from the city, and not much else.
  
  Alternatively high cost of living areas are starting to engage in urbanist policies which will reduce the cost of living. Sure you won’t have a big yard in the city for cheap, but a reasonable sized apartment at a decent price or a reasonable priced house in the suburbs are possible.
  
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  - kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Yeah there is also the consideration that many that live in metro areas get by without a car, and are less likely to own a car or even have a driver’s license. Without reliable or even existent public transport in their new home, where a car is a basic necessity, that is another massive financial hurdle and even a skill/paperwork hurdle to make living there viable.
    
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- WanderingThoughts@europe.pub ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Also business removing remote work so people who went to live in cheaper places move back or at least closer to the city.
  
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  - rozodru@piefed.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    bu-but the corporate landlords need money! won’t someone please think of those corporate blood sucking leaches!
    
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- michaelmrose@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  It doesn’t scale. Where the problematic economic demographic is 50%+ percent of the pop and 70% live in cities no substantial portion effected could go live in all the Guthries in the nation. People are concentrated for reasons as old as civilization.
  
  It often wouldn’t help. Outside of shelter and taxes most goods don’t vary much or all by market and wages do.
  
  One could find yourself spending an overlarge portion of your money on rent in an urban market move for cheaper rent and find the difference in wages makes up the difference in rent and now you need to afford everything else on less total wages.
  
  Cheaper markets have worse services and safety nets. Those who already rely on good medial benefits in urban centers in blue states would find little savings in moving into the boondocks in their own states and would lose more in health care alone than they gain in rent moving to bumfuck
  
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- FireRetardant@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Counter to your point, i did leave my home city that was too expensive for me to live in. I did nearly become homeless before landing a job but once i landed a job i was able to afford a small house in a few years, a nearly impossible goal for me in my home town.
  
  I did have the benefit of my work skills are fairly universal and I could find some kind of employment nearly anywhere. If its an attainable goal to move, even if risky id say more often than not its worthwhile. It would be wise to do extensive research into average living costs and employment opportunities before moving.
  
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  - kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I certainly wasn’t saying that it isn’t a good option for some/most. It definitely can be. I’m saying that “just move” misses a lot of nuance, hurdles, pitfalls, and priorities. Like you said, you nearly ended up homeless. Even though you made it in the end, you were lucky you didn’t get stuck in that situation too.
    
    And that advice ignores the runaway problems that causes the affordability crisis in the first place, the same problems that are going to happen in places that are currently more affordable too. It is a short term solution for yourself to move. But when those problems catch up to you or your kids later, where are they going to go then? How long can the goal post keep moving before we stop it?
    
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- thetentacle@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  The right answer is to deconstruct the argument logically and educate, of course. But I think it has to be added that the hypocrisy is intentional and is not stupidity and to understand the argument behind the facade you have to understand us politics.
  
  Which is all about manipulating the voter turnout. Imigrants will, once naturalized, vote against republicans, so they are oppressed. Same with women, high education, and so on. These are all just traits that let you select people who’d vote against you.
  
  For example abortion, women who would consider aborition will statistically vote agianst republicans, so republicans rally around that and demonize abortion to make the women move away or stay away. Or as you mentioned transgender people, yes they can’t move to republican states, that’s the point.
  
  It’s always about supressing the people who statistically vote against you. In this case poor people vote against you, so you argue that poor people should leave the state or the country to dillute or strategically shift the voting opposition.
  
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  - athatet@lemmy.zip ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    The right answer is to laugh in their faces and make fun of them. People like Ben are not arguing in good faith. They do not care about logic and reason.
    
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- Fedizen@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Alternative explanation: the “here” at the end is a misspeak and he’s advocating killing poor and homeless people.
  
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- athatet@lemmy.zip ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  This is a huge wall of text when all you need to say is that Ben Shapiro is a right wing grifter and nothing he says should be taken seriously.
  
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  - kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    It’s never for Ben himself. He’s either a complete drifter that knows better or high on his own supply and has deluded himself about these things. Or both. Who it is for is the people that may see this as a “common sense” nugget of wisdom that may never examine it critically or those who are fed up with these over simplified “solutions” to their problems and just need to see that others aren’t taking this reversal of blame from systems and authority onto the individuals stuck under them without push back.
    
    It doesn’t feel wrong to come to the conclusion that “if things are too hard to get by here and they are easier over there, then you should go over there.” That sounds entirely reasonable, because if the problem were that simple, it would be. But the problem just isn’t that simple and pretending it is is the grift. That’s why folksy wisdom like this is so rarely related to reality. Life is layered and messy and complicated and FUCKING EXPENSIVE. No solution in the real world is simple, and even less so when you are broke.
    
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W3dd1e@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
No, I think he’s saying if you can’t afford to live here, you should die.

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- ductTapedWindow@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
  No, I think he’s saying if you know I’m the enemy, I should die.
  
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- yermaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  There’s some lucrative career opportunities opening up in that field. The right candidate could go straight to the bottom!
  
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Rcklsabndn@sh.itjust.works ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
A new life awaits you in the off world colonies!

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- PhoenixDog@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I’M DOING MY PART!
  
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  - FilthyHands@sh.itjust.works ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Service Guarantees Citizenship*
    
    *exclusions apply
    
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stefenauris@pawb.social ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
How has Ben’s head not caved in from his phenomenal lack of brain?

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- dansemacabreingalone@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Nazi gold. Endless nazi gold.
  
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- Bgugi@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  It’s supported by the structural integrity of his incredibly thick skull
  
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- MashedTech@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  It’s just empty, it’s not a vacuum.
  
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- Inucune@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  The acoustics in his head must be phenomenal.
  
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HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Emigrate to, immigrate from.

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- BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  You got that backwards.
  
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  - HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Do I ? Emigrating is going away, immigrating is coming in, right?
    
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- GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I’m emigrating from the USA and I am immigrating to Iran.
  
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- thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Emigrate from, immigrate to.
  
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anon_8675309@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Why not, and im spitballing here, make America great?

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- dansemacabreingalone@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
  I cut my teeth in left circles doing illegalist social work in a couple parts of northern california 15 or so years ago. Every experienced person who worked with unhoused populations knew theres a certain kind of people who get made victims at a shocking rate. Those really deranged out-there people usually with severe addictions who nobody would believe often had stories about police kidnapping them and holding them in foreclosures to torture them for a while, often with injuries to match. Everybody knew about the chicago pd making it formal with homan square and the various shit they get up to. Every department does it in their own way.
  
  Earlier this year i had to spend some time in los angeles without much to do. I decided to get a feel for the streets. I noticed three in one long day of layover, wandering the city. One eye and two fingers, taken relatively clean and cauterized. Each on a different person. Three in one day, just wandering around. Just me. None of them commented. All the injuries looked within the past couple days, still black on the edges. The one I asked looked scared, tried to talk about anything else. I didnt even have to wonder where they came from.
  
  Half of every municipal budget funds this. I don’t know what percentage of the fed budget goes to funding the exploding of schools, international torture prisons, and the suppression of renewable energy along with other fossil fuel subsidies.
  
  So what about that is fixable? The way they manage natural resources? Their vibrant healthy cultural practices? Their intellectual tradition? American cuisine? Their beautiful and unique architecture? You want to save america, what the fuck are you saving? Apple pie? The dutch do it better. Jazz? The best jazz musicians havent been from here since 1991; the soviet union still existed.
  
  The land; that stuff that votes? I guess thats pretty cool. Got some good nature left, but clock’s ticking on all that.
  
  Fuck america. Any dozen randon people who aren’t wholly owned could make something better.
  
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- bitjunkie@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Because DWS rigged the 2016 primaries
  
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- FireRetardant@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  America can only be great if all the poor people leave, duh.
  
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pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
“If you’re tired, if you’re poor, if you’re among the huddled masses yearning to breathe free, please get the fuck out of here.”

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LORDSMEGMA@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Ben Shapiro has less self awareness than a sea cucumber

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- cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  if he’s lucky he might actually be able to get the sea cucumber wet
  
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  - AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Presses (X) furiously.
    
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- Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  And less charisma too.
  
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Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Ben’s yarmulke game is on point like usual. Tiny, and the exact shade as his hair so that the anti-Semites in his target demographic won’t see it, but he’s still technically dressed the way his religion tells him to.

He could of course, choose not to court the types of people that turn out to be antisemitic, but you know, that would involve not making everything worse.

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Railing5132@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Why is anyone giving this shitheel attention?

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SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Canada’s full, fuck off please. Thank you.

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- FireRetardant@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  On average it isn’t any cheaper to live in Canada, Canada does offer more social services at least.
  
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- Nosavingthrow@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Classic Canada, such jokers; anyay, is your couch a foldout?
  
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Fedizen@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Remove the “here” from the end and you just have current republican policy

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becausechemistry@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
The only potentially generous way to interpret that statement is if “here” is like downtown in a major city or near a college campus or something.

But do you know who deserves the benefit of the doubt? Not this little fucker, not one bit.

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- yeather@lemmy.ca ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Watch the clip, that is exactly what he is talking about. In context he it saying people should move from expensive metropolitan areas and into cheaper states if they cannot afford to live in the cities.
  
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  - snooggums@piefed.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Which is funny because income drops vomparatively in lower cost of living areas, especially if there isn’t a lot of options for employment, so it doesn’t really address the issue.
    
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RustyShackleford@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Remember, he’ll be like veal when those young American citizens get really hungry.

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- gibmiser@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Dont celebrate his death! That is messed up!
  
  You have to wait until it happens before you can celebrate, of course.
  
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  - Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    I never knew celebration shaming was a thing.
    
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DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
It’s wild that the “land of the free, home of the brave” let a bunch of incel basement dwelling grifter losers take over and tank the nation.

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DandomRude@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
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LordWiggle@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
They fucked up that country so bad, him and his allies, I kinda agree with him (it disgusts me to say that). You don’t want to go down with that sinking ship. Get the fuck out.

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minorkeys@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
If America has failed to provide paths to success for it’s own citizen, it’s because the very successful have destroyed those paths, not because Americans have failed. The end of this thinking is America is inhabited only by very rich people and slaves, regardless of whether they are citizens or not. This thinking will kick out the tired, the poor, the huddled masses yearning to be free that it created. These people are absolutely incapable of compassion or empathy except in their own self interest.

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michaelmrose@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
How can the same folks who can’t afford to live afford to emigrate again?

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arctanthrope@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
then where should we live, Ben? fucking Atlantis?!

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BilSabab@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
that’s not how it works though.

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Uranus_Hz@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
If lifelong rural farmers are struggling so bad in their shithole counties, why don’t they just move to a city?

The logic works both ways.

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58008@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Ben Shapiro, man of the people, self-made millionaire, no help or handouts, no complaints, just pure husslin’ and bustlin’, hardest worker in America, Ben Shapiro knows the value of a dollar, he knows what it’s like to struggle, but he made it through, for he is Ben “Privilegeless” Shapiro.

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FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Because obviously if you can’t afford to live here you definitely have enough money for international travel.

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trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
He really wants to die doesn’t he?

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Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
He wants them to die. Preferably after they enlist in the military.

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