The declining birthrate is a feature, not a problem to be solved. We do not need more people. Capitalism needs more people. We don’t.
I have an idea ☝️
Submitted 2 weeks ago by sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml to [deleted]
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tomiant@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I mean, it absolutely can become a problem if an entire population turns elderly and Theres no young people to take over businesses, care for the elderly, maintain critical infrastructure.
Say what you want about the capitalist ideals that hold this time important,if the birthrate hit 0% we would be facing societal collapse
skisnow@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
if the birthrate hit 0% we would be facing societal collapse
Bit strawmanny that. Nobody considers 0% a reasonable target.
tomiant@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I mean… That societal collapse may be necessary at some point sooner rather than later- we need to downsize, we can chose to do it on our own terms or just run out the clock and smash into a brick wall. Maybe it’s not a bad thing.
I’m semi serious. This isn’t working out. I don’t think so, and many with me don’t think so. We can’t keep doing things just because the system demands it, we should be doing what we decide is good and necessary first and then work towards those goals, instead of just doing more of everything and hope that it will magically turn out for the best.
I am aware of the problem space here and the high cost and risk of dramatically changing course and our way of governing societies, but if we don’t, those problems will not be solved or diminish and we’ll have to deal with it anyway. Capitalism will not save us.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So what? If people decide we don’t need any more people then we surely don’t need society.
I just hope we remember to shut the lights off when we leave.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
That is why we need automation.
Just not the infinite growing one from capitalism
baines@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
immegration
petersr@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Low birthrate means not enough to pay your retirement - it is not just a problem for companies - also for governments and taxes in the most socialist country.
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Declining birthrates will save the planet. There’s already more people than we can sustainability support.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We CAN sustain everybody we have now. It’s just billionaires have decided it’s more profitable to let a huge section of society suffer. The more suffering for us, the more profit for them. But you have to balance it, so it doesn’t lead to revolt.
Thats what ends suffering. Not decreased birthrates, but instead death and revolt of those holding back food and shelter from those that need it, so they can raise prices on unsold units.
someguy3@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Not so sure, we are pulling resources out of the earth at a ridiculous rate. Even with green energy we are still reliant on mining for everything. Goods, fertilizer, the stuff for solar panels. We’re going to run out of easy to access stuff sooner or later.
BorgDrone@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
We CAN sustain everybody we have now.
Even if we could (which I doubt) is it even worth it living on a planet that’s this crowded?
ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
We can sustain everybody on Earth right now if we all eat beans and rice, give up all meat, stop plane travel, and limit your commutes to ones you can do without a personal car. Even if we get rid of billionaires, the rest of western life is unsustainable at this population.
If you are reading this message on a smart phone, it’s already too late, you don’t meet this criteria. The only solution for us to sustain your lifestyle is to reduce the population.
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We could feed everyone now, but not sustainably. To produce the amount of food we do now, we need fertilizers made from limited resources like oil and pesticides/fungicides that destroy the ecosystem.If the current agriculture section of the world completely moved to sustainable practices next year there wouldn’t be enough food to support half of the human population.
mastertigurius@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There’s actually more than enough resources to go around, but enormous amounts are lost to waste, corruption, inequality and greed. The world isn’t actually overpopulated, but over-urbanized. If it was made more feasible for people to live in the districts, more decentralised and with less waste of resources, human society would look very different.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Why that direction? Intuitively I’d imagine stuffing the humans into cities would allow more mass transit, fewer cars, more economies of scale, and more area left over for nature. So more like Singapore, less like Texas.
Has anyone ever done scientific research on this question?
WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“In my perfect ideal world, that we have no path to achieving, we could sustain our large population indefinitely.”
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We produce enough food now, but not sustainably. Fertilizers and pesticides are destroying ecosystems.
TWeaK@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
We could also all sleep together in big rooms, like stadiums, to save heat and power elsewhere. And it won’t turn into that orgy scene at the end of that Matrix movie, not unless Carol wants it to.
zbyte64@awful.systems 2 weeks ago
Urban centers have less waste or CO2 per capita than their rural or suburban counterparts. The problem is our pursuit of ever increasing profits is extremely wasteful but is currently how states gain influence.
marcos@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It looks like the world can support the current population. Barely.
But yeah, low birth rate is not something that must be solved right now. And it will solve itself eventually. We should be working into making people comfortable, but if people think their current situation isn’t good enough to have children, just shut the fuck up and let them be.
BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Hard to prove, but even the idea that the world can barely support the current population is likely just propaganda trying to reinforce a scarcity mindset.
We could probably pack nearly everyone in the entire world in to an area the size of the United Kingdom, and most could be living better lives than they do now. Population Density comparable to New York City would get you around 7 billion people. Obviously, we can do better than that, but just trying to put it into perspective.
Even for agriculture, you could support the current population with what we’ve got and a lot more if that was your priority. There are dramatic gains to be made by reducing or eliminating meat and unless we made some new unfortunate discoveries that would 100% get you there, but you might not even have to. Might have to focus on prioritizing fertile land for agriculture but having everyone in the world eat like an average american would likely be doable at current levels if we actually wanted to prioritize that.
ynthrepic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Not actually true, unless your means of supporting people includes provisions for the extravagances of carbon-based energy and huge amounts of inefficiency everywhere in the supply chain.
If we want to carry on with capitalism as we know it now, yes. And you know it’s going to be the elderly, sick, disabled, among the work class population that need to go first. You know, those who can’t be forced to work. It’s not the poor working class populations wealthy right-wing policies are asking to have more babies.
The world is already on track for around 10 billion people anyway, because there are already enough young people I’m developing nations who we expect to have families of their own in the next few decades.
So good thing we could carry that many people sustainably if we get our shit together.
someguy3@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“But line must go up.”
vivalapivo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I know that you are just parroting dangerous ideas, but you need to stop that
TastyWheat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Pokemon Smash
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“We’re releasing a Vaporion that can get pregnant”
toofpic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You cat the outer shell, and find a Chinese sweatshop worker inside
saimen@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
PokemonFamilyFriendlyWorkingConditionsAndFreeDaycare?
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
PokemonAffordableHousing
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Please gamefreak I am begging you
ghen@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Who knew people don’t like making babies when the only thing separating them and their parents is two sheets of drywall.
assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I hope they release Pokemon guillotine next
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Nintendo is not going to like what I do next…
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Hmmm, this has potential to make the upcoming French Revolution palworld expansion amusing in court.
manigordo@lemy.lol 2 weeks ago
Did you know that Vaporeon…
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Hey, did you know that in terms of male human and female pokemon breeding, vaporeon is not the most compatible pokemon for humans? This is a common and understandable misconception, however vaporeon has its human on pokemon breedability outclassed by it’s cousin evolution, umbreon.
Umbreon boasts an extremely impressive defense stat spread. With it’s combination of very high HP, defense and special defense stats, it can take a great pounding and come back for more! It’s ability, inner focus allows it to keep slamming attentively, without getting fatigued.
Umbreon also has access to the ability synchronise, which allows it to share it’s current status with you, meaning you will receive all of the pleasure it feels combined with all the pleasure you’re getting from pounding this perfect, breedable pokemon.
A great fun fact, umbreon can excrete toxins in it’s sweat, which would in turn soak your member and swell it up, making it even more sizable and sensitive. This would not only enhance the experience for you, but for your umbreon as well (which with synchronise, ends up pleasing you exponentially more). It can learn payback, which doubles in power after the pokemon is hit, meaning umbreon will throw it back twice as hard as normally if you’re hitting it good. Umbreon can also learn guard swap, it could give you it’s insane durability, and go crazy on you all night with your now massive endurance.
Speaking of endurance, umbreon also has access to endure, making it practically immune to fatigue, it will always have energy left over. Charm is also within umbreon’s movepool, letting it be extremely seductive towards you, easily getting you in the mood. Umbreon can also use taunt, in turn making you only able to do attacking moves such as slam, pound, etc;
It’s access to the abilities inner focus and synchronise allow it to unwaveringly throw it back and add all of it’s pleasure onto yours, effectively making it twice as amazing as any other pokemon, or even four times, factoring in the doubled power of payback of course. All of this information in combination with it’s extremely useful movepool in the world of intercourse makes umbreon the most qualified to breed with humans; able to take d**k of any shape, any size, in any position easily for extensive periods of time, while having the ability to return for even more mere seconds later.
manigordo@lemy.lol 1 week ago
My god…
PattyMcB@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Fuck Pokémon.
Interpret that how you wish, lol
hansolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Unclear if you want:
Pokemon Fuck
Or
Pokemon Monk
vivalapivo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Pokemon Breed
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Excited for a Pokemon with more explicit advocacy of Eugenics
jwt@lemmy.wtf 2 weeks ago
Pokemon Procreate
krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Pikachu, I fuck you!
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s only a problem for our species. And, only for future potential members of our species. The declining birth rate isn’t going to hurt anyone alive today. Not even billionaires, not in any way that matters.
Overall, the Earth would be much happier and peaceful without us. We’re not special, we’re just selfish.
Finally, probably, even in the worst human-caused catastrophe, at least some pockets of humanity would survive. Again, though, not that it really matters.
TLDR; Don’t worry about it. It’s no one’s problem to solve. We didn’t ask to be born, and none of us owe our species anything.
Enkers@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The declining birth rate isn’t going to hurt anyone alive today.
Having a top heavy age demographic means less tax revenue will be split between more required services. There will also be fewer labourers with more labour requirements. The only ones it won’t hurt are the billionaires.
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
This is only a problem under capitalism. We are immensely more productive than we used to be and can provide for everyone. A great majority of our labor is just wasted on increasing shareholder value and producing frivilous shit we don’t need.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Make better bots.
zikzak025@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Agreed. It will require careful redistribution of labor and resources to ensure stability with a declining population.
But nations typically want to hoard their resources, and the value of labor is measured only in overall utility to the billionaire class, so I don’t believe it will be a graceful decline for the majority of the world in practice.
ummthatguy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Hey guys, did you know that in terms of male human and female Pokémon breeding, Vaporeon is the most compatible Pokémon for humans? Not only are they in the field egg group, which is mostly comprised of mammals, Vaporeon are an average of 3”03’ tall and 63.9 pounds, this means they’re large enough to be able handle human dicks, and with their impressive Base Stats for HP and access to Acid Armor, you can be rough with one. Due to their mostly water based biology, there’s no doubt in my mind that an aroused Vaporeon would be incredibly wet, so wet that you could easily have sex with one for hours without getting sore. They can also learn the moves Attract, Baby-Doll Eyes, Captivate, Charm, and Tail Whip, along with not having fur to hide nipples, so it’d be incredibly easy for one to get you in the mood. With their abilities Water Absorb and Hydration, they can easily recover from fatigue with enough water. No other Pokémon comes close to this level of compatibility. Also, fun fact, if you pull out enough, you can make your Vaporeon turn white. Vaporeon is literally built for human dick. Ungodly defense stat+high HP pool+Acid Armor means it can take cock all day, all shapes and sizes and still come for more
BootyEnthusiast@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I didn’t fuck my Vaporeon. I didn’t cum on my Vaporeon. I didn’t put my dick anywhere near my Vaporeon. I’ve never done anything weird with my Eveelutions. I promised myself I wasn’t going to make apology videos after last years thing so I’m just trying to be as short and honest with this as possible.
tomiant@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
My “I didn’t fuck my Vaporeon” T-shirt has people asking a lot of questions already answered by the T-shirt.
oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
If you wanna increase birth rates, take 100% of all the billionaire’s money (not a “reasonable tax amount” and spread it to everyone else.
I’m more than willing to just let them be literally penniless (and disqualified for welfare) if the world will benefit from it. And it will.
They don’t deserve an honest living, they deserve a solitary confinement cell.
Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I’m open to them having social welfare after being stripped of their assets. I think I just expect that our prisons should provide its inmates with a humane standard of living of which they would of course have access to from their cell.
oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
They can have a minimum wage job.
And hopefully after capping them at the knees (power and influence-wise), we can move to a society that actually has universal health care, even for minimum wage.
I’m not ok with them benefiting from what society at large has been breaking their backs to fund.
At least not outside of an emergency. I don’t wanna actually have them die because of actual medical issues in the mean time.
Unless they make spectacles of themselves complaining about their new station in life. That can effectively qualify them to be cut off. Sunny nobody got a right to whine about not getting to use human sacrifice to their benefit anymore.
BilSabab@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
TIL there’s a game called Pokemon Sleep. My life will never be the same.
BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
And here I paid for sleep as android… Better not start using Pokémon sleep, it’ll classify between snorlax, psyduck, and goldeen.
BilSabab@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I only know Squirtle because he has Squirtle Squad and they look fucking boss.
greenbit@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Pokémon Revolution
Cabbage_Pout61@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Pokémon Ovulation
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
There’s a pokemon sleep?
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Honestly I was just as surprised as you are
Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The funny thing is that they teased it like 3 years before it actually came out, so people following Pokemon news were like “Where the hell is Pokemon Sleep?” for years
anas@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I can’t remember how we ever slept before they came up with that
ApeNo1@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Gotta poke 'em all!
Sharlot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Pokémon GO: touch grass ✅ Pokémon Sleep: touch pillow ✅ Now we just need Pokémon Rent so we can afford kids 😂
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Pokemon x Luigi crossover?
tomiant@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Shoot the oligarch pokemons?
watson387@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
But which Pokémon would Luigi knock boots with?
puchaczyk@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Pokemon Birth and every time you take a photo of a new newborn baby with the app, and send your genetic samples for verification, you have a chance to collect a rare pokemon
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
PokemonUBI
stiffyGlitch@lemmy.world 1 week ago
nah bros really gonna do that
also what’s Pokemon sleep
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
DylanMc6@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Pokemon Hump
Xerxos@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
There are already plenty Pokémon porn games
stringere@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
PokemonGrinder
Logical@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If it’s anything like the original, I am not sure that will solve the specific problem of declining birthrates.
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Is pokemon sleepy real thing?
Suburbanl3g3nd@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah, Pokemon Sleep is a phone app
Phegan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Declining brith rates are a problem, it’s white supremacist propaganda.
princess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Pokémon Universal Basic Income?!
criss_cross@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Pokémon Healthcare for All
BiteSizedZeitGeist@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
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