Canadians: invented drug and patent it freely Americans: Finds way to kill the most people possible while making the most amount of money
Insulin
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BootLoop@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
To be fair, the killing isn’t the point; they’re the product. Its just that profit is God, so killing in its name is justified.
Killing poors for the joy of it? That’s just an evil bonus.
jaybone@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Killing me soupy with his words.
dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
I’m not diabetic and the situation with insulin fills me with a white hot rage.
GuyLivingHere@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Same
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
the OOC might be TYPE 1 which is even more dependant on insulin than type 2, because you’re pancreas cant make any insulin at all. plus there also other expenses that comes with being type 1. CGM, INSULIN pumps(which are often regularly replaced because they wear out). you can sometimes tell when someones type 1, if they have a device attached to thier arm, its usually a circular button, thats the sensor(its another cost)
buttnugget@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m sure they’re Type 1. At least with Type 2 you can kind of manage it a little without the meds. The insurance company should be firebombed for refusing to replace the damaged meds.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
If you talk about killing the few people like these that are the root cause of all these problems, you’re a terrorist. You go to jail
These people actually kill people by the thousands, millions, and we call them smart CEO’s and celebrate them 🥂
electric_nan@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Free Luigi.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There is plenty of propaganda on social media to exalt the billionaires and CEOs. Instagram is especially really bad at it. I don’t know why the algorithm suggest heavily to me about “entrepreneur” pages (maybe my investing platform sold my data), although some of these pages whitewash literal fraudulent and underhanded behaviours from celebrity CEOs and fraudsters as “another way to get rich”. I also think the posts and profiles were written by bots, because the language and syntax used sound almost identical from one another, in spite of these profiles supposedly being independent from one another.
bryndos@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
Where's all the promo for hard working Italian plumbers these days?
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
its in films, and shows especially sprinkled with copagandas, and military propaganda.
Formfiller@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
volvoxvsmarla@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Making an AI meme of Luigi as a Saint is one thing.
Making a painting and having it casually displayed in your room is a whole other level.
Also, I can’t believe it’s already been a year.
Formfiller@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yea I guess but my mom was destroyed by our cruel and heartless system. She’s gone now but painting this helped me reconnect with the glimmer of hope we all felt for a moment after this happened
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I wondered if all the sane Americans did a max exodus to Canada, Europe, UK, Australia etc, what effect that wound have
PunnyName@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A lot of us would need financial sponsorship. So there’d be a literal financial drain on those economies.
I still would like to sign up.
Soup@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Not if you stayed, then it’s an investment. Money doesn’t just disappear when goes to poor people, they use it to buy things like food and stuff. It would only be a financial drain if you were sending that money back home.
The North American mind cannot comprehend the benefits of supporting the poor.
pennomi@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Have you looked into what it takes to get a permanent visa to one of those countries? It’s not easy.
Master@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Its prohibitively impossible.
Fizz@lemmy.nz 2 weeks ago
Its not that hard especially for an American.
fossilesque@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
I did it a while ago, would recommend.
Redkid1324@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Aren’t you still paying taxes to the USA? Just curious.
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
If you don’t mind sharing, did you have to pay the exit tax? Actually, what was your way out?
turdcollector69@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s already happening, there’s been a deluge of affluent people leaving the US.
We’re still at the stage where it takes considerable privilege to just leave everything behind and pay the exit extortion (40% of all your shit).
Once things get worse and people have nothing to leave behind you’ll start seeing the engineers/doctors escaping.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
the one that have money to migrate to another country have done it already. buts mostly PHD level professionals, rather difficult for people who only have a ms or bs with no established career already. unless you well off enough to be able to move.
WALLACE@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Please no, there’s already people rioting over Afghans immigrating here, we don’t need to add Yanks to the equation
minorkeys@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Capitalism is economic terrorism.
Woht24@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s almost like someone should go and shoot the CEO dead in the street
reksas@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
ceos are like head slaves on plantation. While they are pieces of collaborating shits, they are not the root of this rot.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
One could argue that patents and copyright are anti-capitalist
Malfeasant@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They are, actually. The point of patents and copyright is not to protect the creator- that’s a temporary effect. The point is to release the thing to the public afterwards. The problem is that capitalism corrupts the process and finds ways to make the temporary effects permanent. Disney has succeeded in making copyright last effectively forever.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They are literally monopolies on whatever they concern.
Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Copyrights and patents generate enormous amounts of wealth from rent seeking. This wealth has been used to continue to entrench these draconian concepts into our legal and governmental systems.
Even worse they have been used to stop the spread of information and monopolize development thus slowing slow down technological advancement. So many people have died so these clowns can make a buck.
One could argue that artificial scarcity is a farce, but unless you have more money than the people who benefit from IP, your voice will not be heard on a policy level.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
In that case "real capitalism" doesn't exist, because patents have been a thing since checks notes 1474.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And no capitalist would want to get rid of them.
DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Technically a funnel system for 1%.
quoll@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
yeah. but more importantly your fucked up excuse for democracy is fucked.
plenty of capitalist countries that don’t have this problem.
minorkeys@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Which ones?
macncheese@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
California is contracting its own insulin supply and it’ll be available for $11 a pen starting Jan 1, 2026. I know not every state can or are willing to do this but just throwing out some examples and hopefully optimism to somehow fight the American decline from within it. We’re in a unique position as our state economy is larger than most countries but I am hopeful we will throw our weight around to counter the bs. chhs.ca.gov/…/governor-newsom-announces-affordabl…
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Seems like something other states should get in on. Now that the program is established seems like it would not be as hard to pay into it and get a share of the product.
wurstgulasch3000@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
But that’s socialism! /s
fullsquare@awful.systems 2 weeks ago
I know not every state can or are willing to do this
this kind of thing scales well, i see no reason why after california has it set up, other states couldn’t get insulin from them, or chip in
JayGray91@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I would think Big Pharma will aggressively fight against it.
ronigami@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
contracting is an interesting choice of word since it could mean decreasing
oftenawake@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Please support the Open Insulin Foundation who are creating an open source model for insulin production! Such an important project!
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
this feels a bit like open software, just that the software involved is genetic code, which codes for a protein.
oftenawake@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
It is! They’re trying to “compile” insulin on the smaller scale. Not home labs but local production. They haven’t managed it yet but I believe they will eventually.
AsoFiafia@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
The drug I have to take to live costs anywhere from $4,000-$5,500/month without insurance. This is actually cheaper than what I was on before—a cocktail of 4 drugs, some taken multiple times a day, that was almost $10,000/month. I’m lucky(?) that there are a ton of programs that together cover the cost for me. Unfortunately there are hoops I have to jump through every month to continue qualifying for the assistance and have to regularly take time off from work to make the appointments. I’ve lost jobs due to this, but am currently working a position where my manager is happy enough with my work to fudge time cards to help me out.
I hate this country.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
oh, it gets better. Baby born with Spinal and Muscle Atrophy? There is a cure! $2,500,000!
They hold lotteries for doses, a few babies win, most babies die.
AsoFiafia@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Jesus, that’s terrible! I somehow hate this country even more now.
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I genuinely think that in some third world countries, as part of the middle class, you can have a better life than in the USA.
MoonMelon@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Something I’ve noticed is when untraveled people in the USA try to contextualize themselves with other countries they pick the worst examples they can think of. Favelas in Brazil or slums in South Africa for example. We do this to the point where our entire conception of countries (or in the case of Africa, continents) is the worst imagery we can think of. I think they genuinely don’t believe that, for all their troubles India, Brazil, Mexico, Nigeria, etc also have smartphones and big buildings and libraries and universities and laboratories, and educated people living decent lives.
They also can’t see how the overcrowded jails full of pretrial prisoners, the barefoot children carrying buckets for water in Appalachia, the rundown schools full of illiterate kids, the impunity of rich private interests, the corrupt sheriffs and judges, and on and on, puts us in the company of the “third world countries”. Yes we have nice places too, but SO DO THEY. A broken society in the 21st century isn’t people living in mud huts, it’s children shitting in the street next to a glass skyscraper with LEED Platinum certification.
SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And it’s not just “overcrowded jails full of pretrial prisoners, the barefoot children carrying buckets for water in Appalachia” but the grad students in LA living out of their cars, or grandpa sleeping on a bus stop, or people in the Rockies surviving off roadkill and forage.
Seattle tent cities/tiny homes make some Favelas look real swanky.
Zerush@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Logically, it’s not about how much money you make, it’s about purchasing power. It is irrelevant if you earn only $400 a month when you can eat well for $1 and pay $100 for your housing, you have free health care and education.
Reginald_T_Biter@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Third world doesn’t mean poor, it just means not aligned with US or Russia
ebolapie@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There’s a reason countries like Vietnam are so popular with digital nomads.
WALLACE@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
My dream would be to get a remote nightshift job and live on a house by the beaches of south Thailand
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s also much harder to become a middle class in those countries.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
Not really. Poverty rates are higher, yes, but many middle income third world countries do have sizeable and growing middle classes. They're called developing countries for a reason. The image of war-torn African countries where everyone works in mines isn't really representative.
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Americans suffer from Stockholm syndrome
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
Reminder that the term Stockholm Syndrome was coined to blame victims for being rightly more afraid of the police than their captors:
In [Jess Hill’s] 2019 treatise on domestic violence See What You Made Me Do, Australian journalist Jess Hill described the syndrome as a “dubious pathology with no diagnostic criteria”, and stated that it is “riddled with misogyny and founded on a lie”; she also noted that a 2008 literature review revealed “most diagnoses [of Stockholm syndrome] are made by the media, not by psychologists or psychiatrists.” In particular, Hill’s analysis revealed that Stockholm authorities, responded to the robbery in a way that put the hostages at greater risk from the police than from their captors (hostage Kristin Enmark, who during the siege was granted a telephone call with Swedish Prime Minister Olof Palme, reported that Palme told her that the government would not negotiate with criminals); as well, she observed that Bejerot’s diagnosis of Enmark was made without ever having spoken to her.
ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
AmeriKKKans
whoa! so edgy, poignant, and relevant!
and so creative!
amazing!
and everyone clappedQuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Stockholm syndrome is a proposed condition to explain why hostages occasionally develop a psychological bond with their captors. It is named after an attempted bank robbery in 1973, in Stockholm, Sweden
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mirshafie@europe.pub 2 weeks ago
Nils Bejerot was a total hack. He tried to ban comic books, and later transcribed that same energy in a war on drugs that has resulted in some of the worst health outcomes for drug users in Europe. Unfortunately his ability to be confidently incorrect swayed a lot of gullible rubes, and his legacy still casts a shadow over Sweden to this day.
fossilesque@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
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Zacryon@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Naive question from a european: Aren’t there companies on the market who can offer a cheaper price and therefore beat greedy competitors?
Digit@lemmy.wtf 2 weeks ago
Welcome to USA, I guess.
In other countries, you could probably completely fill a fridge with insulin for $800.
vivalapivo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Something in american.
It’s 10¢ in developed countries like Georgia
Devial@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
If he wanted it to be freely available, why did he even sell the patent ? Just disclaim at the patent office. Selling is just asking the new holder to start enforcing.
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Invented by a Canadian, exploited by an American.
bonenode@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Why can’t Americans mail order it from Canada? Is the US going to tax the crap out of it when it crosses the border?
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
It is not a solution, but maybe an alternative to death…
MissJinx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It is widely available, just not in the US
Zerush@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
US Healthcare = pay or die
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Were I am, you just get Insulin for free with a prescription from you Family Doctor, because we have a National Health Service.
Even without said prescription, it’s only €70.
Americans are being thoroughly screwed, and it’s very much on purpose thanks to the way laws and regulations were designed (and at the risk attractict the crowd throwing “bothsideism” slogans around to defend “their” “tribe”, this is due to the actions of both US major parties) since in a real Free Market, Insuline over there should cost around the same as it cost over here without a prescription, not 10x more.
Elgenzay@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
JoShmoe@ani.social 2 weeks ago
I summon, Luigi!
AlexLost@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
In Canada it is still considered expensive, but not even close to $800/month. It’s only considered expensive because most shit like that is free or a very nominal fee, but repeated need is what it is.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Is there any reason a diabetic has to get the newer patented formulas instead of the old one that the pic talks about which is regularly sold for around $25 a vial in the US without insurance?
I know the new stuff works faster and you don’t have to worry about your diet as much so I’m sure it’s much easier, but why would you have to die instead of just managing your diet and using the $25 stuff for a month in this emergency situation?
Don’t get me wrong all medicine should be free and stuff but like, why die instead of switching to the cheap stuff and dietary management for a month?
canofcam@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
How is it even possible to afford $800 for insulin? It boggles the mind
lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I really don’t get it. If it was in the freezer, why will it be damaged when put back again? Is it that once defreezed some reaction goes on and shouldn’t be stopped? I really don’t get it. Would it be better to keep it outside the freezer once it warm up?
Wild_Mastic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Meanwhile, 10 euros per vial here in Europe. At least his original plan for widespread and easy availability has partially succeeded.
neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
In civilized countries at least.
ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
In brazil 36 reais (about 6 euro). The US is a joke. (And im 99% sure you can also get it for free if you use the public health network)
mika_mika@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I have mental health disabilities in the USA and my meds are at zero cost because I literally have had absolute zero income for the past 5 years.
You wouldn’t believe how much those mood stabilizer/antidepressant cocktails stack up proportionally when I was able to scrape by on $15 an hour.
The system set me up to fail with how shitty it is, if healthcare wasn’t crap I could be contributing to society without crippling myself.
MissJinx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Even worst, my dog got it for free from the public vet university for years. They even gave us the syringes. It’s the same human insulin and my dog got it for free. Guess his plan worked better than he thought… only no in the us
djdarren@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Free on the NHS in the UK. In fact, diabetes is one of the conditions that qualifies people for free prescriptions across the board.
jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It did succeed, humanity just didn’t take the win and run to keep it going.