Cho Chang
Had to look this up
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ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Those are at least actual popular Chinese names, as Chinese people mention every time this comes up on Reddit.
tetris11@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
You’re California pretty
You’re really really skinny
(Cho-Chang!)
You’re cuter than a guinea piiiig
'l’ll take you down to Winnipeg
That’s in Canada!ivanafterall@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That sounds really nice! How should I pack?
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The Troubles was so long ago for me that the character quirk went over my head.
The_v@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Allow me to hit me with my cane. The Manchester blast was fucking loud.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The films added the stereotypes. They made the goblins hooked nosed and added a Star of David decoration to the greengots bank floor.
It’s not in the books but Rowling still had huge control over the film so retains responsibility.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
That’s not a star of david, and it wasn’t added for the film. That’s the floor of the Freemasons Hall in London.
BanMe@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
She’s also derivative as hell, but children’s lit doesn’t get real deep reviews, and we were all too busy defending it from Christianity to really notice.
GreenShimada@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The erasure of Worst Witch is a crime.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
starring Tim Curry? how have i missed this
RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As a child I read Groosham Grange from Anthony Horowitz, and when I first heard a description of Harry Potter, I thought that they were describing that book from Horowitz. I can’t believe no one else noticed. But I also think that most people active in children’s literature will have an attitude of “anything that gets a child reading, is a good thing”, so they’re not that upset about poor quality being popular and they’d rather keep the positive vibe going.
OmegaMouse@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Oh that’s interesting! I hadn’t heard of that series, but I adored the Alex Rider books as a kid. Horowitz’s children’s books at least feel well written.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Im so glad she has no idea what Mexicans or latinos are. We would have gotten “Jose frijoles” a Mexican wizard with a moustache and hat who throws a spanish word into every sentence.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t know if I’m laughing art JKR’s racism or at that funny racist sketch.
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s ok to laugh at satire of racists 👍
peteypete420@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Ok I know I shouldnt have, but that did make me chuckle.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
There’s no “shouldn’t have” here. We can laugh at these things. This was a joke about how racist JKR is, not a joke about the race it depicts.
There are good and bad jokes about racial stereotypes. Are we making fun of Mexicans or are we making fun of racist peoples’ stereotypes about Mexicans? I’d argue this joke was the latter.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If she wrote a South East Asian she probably would name it Coolieboy Sambal. Who is an errand boy of one of teachers who tries to tame the boy and make him less “savage”
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
What’s racist about it? I’m not racist enough to understand
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
To say the UK and Ireland have had explosive interactions in the past would be a bit of an understatement. There were spates of car bombings, shootings, and other forms of violence all along the border of Northern Ireland (Due to both sides believing Northern Island should be part of their nation).
Rowling probably takes a more pro-UK stance, and therefore is comparing the Irish people to the IRA (Irish Republican Army) bombers.
The conflict(s) were part of a period known as The Troubles (Wiki page linked)
Disclaimer - I’m an American outsider with an interest in learning about history, so I may not have the most accurate summary of events from either side of the story. The Wikipedia article should summarize incidents much better.
daggermoon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is the shit they should teach us in school. The American education system sucks. Almost everything i’ve learned about world history I learned myself.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
To add to that you also have the people living there rather split on which country they would like to be part of
BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
I feel this characterises it as more of a border dispute between nation states. I’m not going to get into the rights and wrongs of any side in this (because it’ll take far too long and frankly I doubt I could be completely objective). I’m commenting only to say it wasn’t that.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Fighting along the border was entirely immaterial. There are a large number of English who either don’t know Ireland ia a different country, or that Northern Ireland is part of the UK. The only thing that registers for most is that “the IRA” set off some very large bombs in Manchester, Birmingham, London and Brighton, fired an RPG at the MI6 building and a mortar at Downing Street.
Its highly inaccurate to claim The Troubles as a border dispute, and most of the bloodshed was in the urban areas of NI. Most of the dead in NI were killed by their “own” side as reprisals for percieved disloyalty.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Interesting stuff, thanks for the info!
frizzo@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
So your not American? Never drank a certain Irish named drop shot drink?
BreadOven@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m familiar with the shot and the years of conflict. But I didn’t realize that’s what it was referring to initially. Sometimes it takes some help for people to piece it together.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
The car bomb always sounded like it was referring to the events, but I was surprised to learn much later that the black and tan was also talking about something from history. I just assumed it was the colors of the beers.
Wander@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Americans seem to miss that the IRA (Irish Republican Army) were terrorists. Lots of people were killed including children.
kameecoding@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think what you want to ask is what’s the trouble, mate.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I’m not so sure, I think the Irish would be proud of their history of making things explode.
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Guessing it’s due to the IRA bombings?
neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Correct.
daggermoon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Only some of them, it’s very divisive I think. Can an Irish lad confirm?
yeather@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
The more South you go the less divisive it gets.
John_CalebBradberton@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Its divisive in Ireland.
Opinions on everything from that time vary widely.
Im born and reared in Cork btw.
UltraBlack@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They see me (rowling), they hating
FosterMolasses@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
This made me laugh way harder than it should’ve, bwahaha
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I find it amazing that she can be so fucking tone deaf.
Like, wasn’t half of your entire best-selling series about equality/prejudice, you daft fucking terf?
hypnicjerk@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Pretty sure there was a whole lot about the unfair treatment of house elves
no, the house elves loved being slaves and hermione was being hysterical for fighting for their rights.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
to be fair, some people see palestine action, or fighting for equality and think of us as hysterical.
sometimes things accidentally line up.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Which is also amazing because she is simultaneously a target herself for being muggle-born.
Meanwhile in the real world, bigotry is still common among oppressed groups. See also: racism in LGBT communities.
andros_rex@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yes, but Hermione was one of the good ones and the system found her and elevated her.
MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
She basically store materials from all kinds of various books
Cruel@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
There’s no way you people would think she’s racist if she wasn’t transphobic.
She was very accepting of Hermione being cast as a black girl. Seaman was just used as comedic relief in the movies, much moreso than in the books, with his magical mistakes causing explosions being primarily when he was a kid. He was loyal and high achieving character.
Meanwhile, the blonde character who uses the offense slur “mudblood” is the childhood villain for most the books. Yet she is racist for this somehow too, I imagine.
missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
she had a reputation for racial stereotyping even before she went mask-off as a terf, decades back. like naming the one Asian character Cho Chang (sounds like ching chang chong; both names are from different Asian countries), naming the one Black character Kingsley Shacklebolt (King from MLK, shackle from slavery), naming the Jewish character Anthony Goldstein, naming an Irish character Seamus Finnegan…
…it’s not that she was necessarily super racist, she just used very stereotypical/over the top names for her characters. so I don’t hate her for being racist, I hate her for being transphobic.
redwattlebird@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
About Cho Chang though, she actually looked up the meanings and choose Cho because it meant butterfly. I’ve never really associated that character’s name as a play on the racist stereotype, being Oriental myself. I’ve just associated it with general western ignorance.
As abhorrent as she is now, she was a queer ally but just didn’t understand trans, like many people around her age and demographic. She reacted to the massive backlash and drove herself into the weeds.
She’s horrible now and deserves all the hate but know that she’s a result of our own making. I think if any new people express a misunderstanding, it’s far better to make a bridge to correct that misunderstanding. It takes a lot on our part, trans and trans allies, but I’d rather make a friend out of a fool than a foolish enemy.
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
There’s no way you people would think she’s racist
That’s mainly because she was hyped up for so long and she didn’t go all out, but it wasn’t long until someone noticed the Gringot’s bankers were Jewish Stereotypes and some of the names were a bit iffy. But I think it really was a “Little Britain” situation where we didn’t get it until the second read through.
Also, in her books for adults, she’s gone mask off, especially against Mixed Race people.
mad_djinn@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
YOU’RE DOING THAT THING THAT REDDITORS DO
PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Yeah, guys! She’s not racist, she loooves Black girls!
MimicJar@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I know this is just a meme but isn’t this scene of Seamus Finnigan a movie only scene?
There are plenty of reasons to shit on JK Rowling, but shouldn’t this one be on the director? (Assuming it was done on purpose.)
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
I’m surprised he wasn’t also black.
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
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krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
It may also be interesting for you to learn that Puerto Ricans can hang from steel beams for hours.
fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Well, how does he feel about taytoes? That’s how you can really tell.
Armand1@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah, calling the only black dude Shacklebolt as well. The more you look the worst it gets.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Even the Irish kid gets worse in the books. Apart from making things explode, his other notable character trait is repeatedly trying to turn various drinks into whiskey.
paranoia@feddit.dk 2 weeks ago
In fucking fairness half of your personal goals as an Irish teenager in the 90s and 2000s related to acquiring alcohol and getting drunk.
runner_g@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
As and American I’m also trying to turn various drinks into whiskey.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Distilleries also have the danger of exploding.
clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Oh goodness, I never thought of that.
HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And the bank goblins being Jewish caricatures
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Jesus fucking Christ what? there was a character named shacklebolt???
Scubus@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Kingsly Shacklebolt, i believe he was the personal assistant to the prime minister. His most famous quote: “dumbledores got style”
Not the only black character in harry potter btw
Armand1@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Like a lot of the worst stuff in the book, it didn’t make it into the movies I think.
MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Is it true that the centaur from movie 1 had more lines than all the black characters in all 7 books?
And then modern fans get mad at black Snape in the TV show (if that gets to finish. My bets is it will patter out like the fantastic beasts movies)
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Fans get mad about black Snape because it would instantly make Harry look like an ultra racist without rewriting half the book.
tetris11@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
lmfao, there’s a TV show??
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
reminds me of “spear chucker” on MASH.
rainwall@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
That one was on purpose:
They use the racism behind his nickname to address racism in the show:
tetris11@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Nah… come on… please, let that not have been a conscious thing
Armand1@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Mate, there’s so many weird or disturbing things in the books that didn’t make it into the movies.
ProjectPatatoe@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Misread this as (Rusty) Shackleford.