Submitted 15 hours ago by Wispy2891@lemmy.world to mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
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And of course they had to shoehorn some AI bullshit in it
(why I installed this driver: because i can remap the two extra buttons as copy/paste)
We detected you moved your mouse. Downloading 1GB of AI telemetry and 3GB of user experience optimizations…
That’s not the driver but some bundled configuration & update bloatware. But their UI framework seems pretty bad, what do they use?
I remember installing a fresh PC with win98. During installation, I disabled some windows bloatware (Imagine! You actually could do this!), and ended up with an unresponsive, non-windows app blocking the system. I killed that app and removed it from the system. Keep in mind that at this point, no network connection was set up, nor did I install any driver or program yet, this was straight from the windows install medium.
After reboot, the app was back, and again blocking the system.
Wiping the harddisk and starting installation over did not help either.
Turned out this was some bloatware installed by the BIOS whenever it detected at boot that there was a) a Windows installation that was b) “missing” their “register your PC with us” app. This needed some Windows bloatware to work, and thus failed on this machine.
This was the only time I angrily screamed at a hotline worker.
The mouse driver used with the Commodore 64’s GEOS operating system uses 3 blocks on disk, less than a kilobyte.
Most of the reason why the Logitech driver is so gargantuan is a separate Chromium browser instance, because someone thought that apps should be all websites first, which lead to most GUI libraries being developed for javascript and most devs being taught to be web developers.
But did it support RGB?
Didn’t think so, checkmate!
A lot of fancy early RGB mouse came with a companion app that needed 10MB at most, and that was ridiculed.
The driver for your mouse occupies a few kilobytes. The shitty app and AI garbage bloatware occupies the rest.
maybe this will help, if you wanted to ditch the logi driver:
Solaar is a Linux manager for many Logitech keyboards, mice, and other devices that connect wirelessly to a Unifying, Bolt, Lightspeed or Nano receiver as well as many Logitech devices that connect via a USB cable or Bluetooth. Solaar is not a device driver and responds only to special messages from devices that are otherwise ignored by the Linux input system.
I hope one day theres something similar to this, but for 8bitdo.
I have an 8bitdo keyboard, and in order to map my buttons, I need to boot up a windows 10 hard drive, do my one time edits, save them to the keyboard, and THEN I can turn off the pc, swap back to my ZorinOS hard drive, and THEN I can go about as normal.
And if for some reason somethings wrong, or didn’t take, I’d have to repeat the whole process all over again.
All because the keyboard manager doesn’t work on linux. But it’s not logitech.
Sell the 8bitdo keyboard and buy one instead that is capable of running with QMK or ZMK firmware and is configurable by either VIA or VIAL.
I have a Flydigi gamepad and I can use a virtual machine with tiny11 to change the configuration. The connection isn’t super stable but for the few times I have to do it, it works.
Does this mean I can finally stop going back a page when I nudge my mouse the wrong way??
Does this require libratbag?
Don’t look up how much space Nvidia drivers take then.
Use the offline installer, which is for offline and airgapped machines. It turns off the AI prompt builder as well as all the telemetry shite:
AI prompt builder? What? It’s a fucking mouse???
It is repulsive to me in its entirety but apparently the vibe coders dig it.
But it has AI? If your mouse doesn’t have AI, you’re living in the post
Logitech, the data company?!?!
There’s something inside you
It’s hard to explain
They’re talking about you, boy
But you’re still the same
wtf AI in your mouse driver?
Oh yeah, totally not logging your every mouse movement, no sir, not at all!
Is training itself to pass those mouse based “I’m human” checks that some sites use.
That’s hilarious. But might actually not be a joke.
holy fucking shit. I once programmed a mouse driver for an 8 bit computer with 32kb of ram. I don’t remember the exact size of the compiled driver but it was under 1kb.
Maybe a Docker or two, perhaps a VM in the cloud. Is that still hip with the kids?
what the fuck?? why would a mouse need ai? ancient computer user here who is very confused lol
To better track you.
Maybe it can AFK my character in games for me
The AI plays all video games for you, leaving you more time to work and be productive.
It’ll bring down your kd bro be careful.
Input Remapper on linux can get the job done without the need for this junk. I’ve used it for this exact purpose before.
It mostly can get the job done. Mice that have more then just mouse 4/5 tend to be entirely fucked and good luck.
Please don’t be Logitech, please don’t be Logitech…
Damnit.
Of Course it’s Logitech. Their software has been shit for ages.
I do like the hardware tho and mine works just fine on linux without their garbage software. Got one of those ergo trackball mice and a G502 for some gaming.
It doesn’t contribute at all to the conversation but BOOOOOOO to them for that nonsense.
That “logi” rebrand really shows how shit they’ve gotten.
Logitech Gaming Software was the last good thing they made.
Baaack in my day we got a driver for our mouse on a single DD floppy…
It wasn’t too long ago that a USB mouse would store the divers on the mouse.
You’re thinking of the Titan submersible accident, I think. But they ended up stored on a Logitech controller, not a mouse.
That was actually never the case. The default USB mouse driver comes with the OS. And also today any modern mouse will work just fine with the default USB mouse driver in the OS.
What this abomination is is a kind of extended driver that allows the user to e.g. remap buttons on the mouse or control RGB lights. You know, anything but the actual basic functionality of the mouse.
My first mouse driver was smaller than the picture you attached to this post
The software, afaik there is no actual driver involved.
Narrator: It wasn’t a driver.
The driver itself is probably a few megabytes only. The rest is just bullshit in the name of rgb control and preset/dpi control. You seem to be using a Logitech device, you can enable the onboard memory of your mouse, then uninstall this thing and use Logitech’s Onboard Memory Manager app instead.
the driver itself is kilobytes in size. Megabytes is huge for such a simple thing
I like SpaceSniffer, it is almost 10 years old program and I still use it
Windirstat is open source
Same. A diamond in the rough.
I have a Logitech mouse. I just used a 3rd party app to remap.
Better mouse for Mac, but looks like you’re on Linux? There’s bound to be something
You can use Logitech’s Onboard Memory Manager app which is under 20MB and doesn’t require installation.
My installation process for a new mouse is as follows: 1 - Attempt to plug it in. 2 - Flip the USB connector. 3 - Plug it in. 4 - Use the mouse.
Is there anything at all to be gained from installing the software that comes with the mouse? Even with extra side buttons, I’ve never had anything not work out of the box.
Lights, dpi configuration, polling rate settings, surface calibration, and (as you mentioned) button remapping. Yes it will work without that but it can work better (and personally that’s worth a little extra ram anyways)
You skipped over the part where you attempt to plug it in, flip the USB connector attempt again, flip it again, and finally it goes in.
Driver for you mouse? What are you on? MSDOS?
You need it to remap some of the buttons on the side. I have the same garbage just for this purpose.
you could use autohotkey and remap mouse3/4 (or whatever they are) to C-c and C-v
I love this program by the way!!!
Madness
Anyone have other brand suggestions?
No, unfortunately. Logitech mice are the best performing in quality, battery life, and longevity at their price range. I’ve tried many other mice in the budget range, and they all fail quickly, eat batteries, or perform poorly in comparison.
I bought a couple Logitech mice a few years ago and I gotta say, they weren’t the best. The material they are made out of melts slowly over time. I use these mice and get sticky shit on my fingers. It’s not food or anything I’m doing. I’ve scrubbed them with rubbing alcohol and no matter what a little bit of sticky stuff is always coming off. So the finish on them isn’t great, at best. Never had other mice do this.
I have a M$FT “natural” keyboard (PS/2 and not running thru a USB converter either) and a M$FT USB mouse. Both around 30 years old. They’re indestructible it seems, and both have worked great with every Linux distro I’ve ever used.
I’ve been using a Redragon M690 Pro as my home daily driver, and I retired my Razer Basilisk x Hyperspeed to my office, although the latter started having issues with middle clicking. The 690 is nice so far though. I don’t any twitch shooters, more of a slow burn style, so ymmv.
LOL.
Huh, neat
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Fuck electron, fuck “web first” apps, fuck the “all application in the future will be websites” mentality.
Gonzako@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Man, they really developed the most unfun layout system and then tried to force it to everyone