And of course they had to shoehorn some AI bullshit in it
(why I installed this driver: because i can remap the two extra buttons as copy/paste)
wtf AI in your mouse driver?
Oh yeah, totally not logging your every mouse movement, no sir, not at all!
The driver for my mouse occupies over 1 gb
Submitted 2 weeks ago by Wispy2891@lemmy.world to mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
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sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
nogooduser@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Is training itself to pass those mouse based “I’m human” checks that some sites use.
jaybone@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
That’s hilarious. But might actually not be a joke.
hperrin@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
The driver for your mouse occupies a few kilobytes. The shitty app and AI garbage bloatware occupies the rest.
ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Use the offline installer, which is for offline and airgapped machines. It turns off the AI prompt builder as well as all the telemetry shite:
bluesheep@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
AI prompt builder? What? It’s a fucking mouse???
ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It is repulsive to me in its entirety but apparently the vibe coders dig it.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
But it has AI? If your mouse doesn’t have AI, you’re living in the post
Buske@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Logitech, the data company?!?!
linrilang@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We detected you moved your mouse. Downloading 1GB of AI telemetry and 3GB of user experience optimizations…
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Fuck electron, fuck “web first” apps, fuck the “all application in the future will be websites” mentality.
Gonzako@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Man, they really developed the most unfun layout system and then tried to force it to everyone
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
The sad reality of the end of Windows dominance.
hornywarthogfart@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I get what you are saying and this is definitely a factor but I think the bigger influencer was mobile adoption. As soon as smartphones took off it was inevitable that we would see a surge in cross platform frameworks/libraries.
The fact we tackled this problem by shifting everything to web apps was also inevitable given the more simplistic deployment requirements and maintenance costs of a website vs native application.
I feel like I am shouting to the void when I talk about performance of modern software being unbelievably bad.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Proton proves that you don’t need to run on a web browser for cross platform compatibility. Turing-complete platforms are equivalent in their capabilities, it’s just a matter of adding a translation layer that doesn’t need to be as heavy as a browser DOM (at least for going between windows and Linux on x64).
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
The mouse driver used with the Commodore 64’s GEOS operating system uses 3 blocks on disk, less than a kilobyte.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Most of the reason why the Logitech driver is so gargantuan is a separate Chromium browser instance, because someone thought that apps should be all websites first, which lead to most GUI libraries being developed for javascript and most devs being taught to be web developers.
merdaverse@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
VSCode is also electron with a 100mb download size and 400mb install size. I think it has 1000x more functionality than some shit Logitech UI where you change LED colors. This sounds more like incompetence on the Logitech team than a problem with electron itself.
Honytawk@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
But did it support RGB?
Didn’t think so, checkmate!
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A lot of fancy early RGB mouse came with a companion app that needed 10MB at most, and that was ridiculed.
albbi@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
That driver was using 0.5% of system resources! I thought it would be worse when I saw "259 blocks free", but overall that's pretty good.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Well that’s just a screen shot of the directory listing of the GEOS disk from the 64’s default “OS”, the BASIC interpreter. That 3 block file also contains information that only GEOS sees, the actual executable 6502 code is likely in the 500 bytes, if that. The user manual for the mouse actually contains an assembler listing of the driver. It ain’t big.
The 64, of course, was never designed with a mouse in mind, so Commodore engineers used the analog paddle inputs to encode the mouse XY motion. So the “driver” really just reads the A/D converters for the paddles and fudges some kind of motion information out of it.
It works quite well. The 64 only has a 320x200 display, so it’s not like you need a gaming 1000DPI 1ms mouse.
billwashere@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I have several Logitech peripherals. Why in the fuck does it need AI?!?!
theparadox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean, this was their idea last year…
I feel like “AI Mouse” is right up their alley.
don@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Because CEOs.
MML@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
To communicate with the 5th version of software they have somehow released between the time the product was created and you bought it.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Actual driver code: about 500KB. If that.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
500KB used to be the entire OS, application, drivers, and user data. Oh well.
MyNamesTotallyRobert@lemmynsfw.com 2 weeks ago
holy fucking shit. I once programmed a mouse driver for an 8 bit computer with 32kb of ram. I don’t remember the exact size of the compiled driver but it was under 1kb.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Maybe a Docker or two, perhaps a VM in the cloud. Is that still hip with the kids?
towerful@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
All the cool kids are running kubernetes
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
The actual driver for an HID USB device, even on WIndows, is still just a few KB.
Worse, the default driver for HID devices like mice, keyboards, joysticks, gamepads and so on is part of Windows since Windows 7 and all you had to do was give it an INF file that really just associated USB hardware devices that sent the PC a specific identifier (made up of a VID and a PID value) on USB protocol initialization, with that built-in driver - and that file is maybe 100 bytes. Even better, that INF file is not even needed anymore since Windows 10.
A driver for a mouse (pretty much the simplest Human Interface Device there is) that in addition to the normal mouse thing also supports setting the RGB color of some lights is stupidly simple because the needed functionality is already in the protocol.
Remember, modern digital electronics still uses really tiny processors sometimes with less than 32KB flash memory (and way less than that in RAM) only they’re microcontrollers rather than microprocessors now, hence the protocols are designed so that they can be handled by processing hardware with little memory (after all, many USB Hosts aren’t PCs but instead are things like USB HUDs which have microcontrollers not microprocessors)
I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that almost the entirety of that 1GB is bloatware.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We live in the age of bloated software.
veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The Internet is so bloated because every page is bursting with telemetry and spa framework bullshit that over engineers a fucking music recital site.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
That’s not the driver but some bundled configuration & update bloatware. But their UI framework seems pretty bad, what do they use?
Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I remember installing a fresh PC with win98. During installation, I disabled some windows bloatware (Imagine! You actually could do this!), and ended up with an unresponsive, non-windows app blocking the system. I killed that app and removed it from the system. Keep in mind that at this point, no network connection was set up, nor did I install any driver or program yet, this was straight from the windows install medium.
After reboot, the app was back, and again blocking the system.
Wiping the harddisk and starting installation over did not help either.
Turned out this was some bloatware installed by the BIOS whenever it detected at boot that there was a) a Windows installation that was b) “missing” their “register your PC with us” app. This needed some Windows bloatware to work, and thus failed on this machine.
This was the only time I angrily screamed at a hotline worker.
tordenflesk@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The software, afaik there is no actual driver involved.
AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
+1 for using space sniffer. It’s the best of such apps I’ve found. Unfortunately doesn’t seem to get updated any more.
supamanc@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Windirstat or kdirstat for the win
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Amateur! ncdu! 😂
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
GNOME Disk Usage Analyzer
AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I can’t stand the look of Windirstat lol.
I use explorer++ now because it can show subdir sizes. Unfortunately performance suffers quite a bit because of no caching and unsmart file system.
paris@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
MazonnaCara89@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
There’s something inside you
It’s hard to explain
They’re talking about you, boy
But you’re still the same
21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com 2 weeks ago
It doesn’t contribute at all to the conversation but BOOOOOOO to them for that nonsense.
FinalRemix@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That “logi” rebrand really shows how shit they’ve gotten.
Logitech Gaming Software was the last good thing they made.
frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
what the fuck?? why would a mouse need ai? ancient computer user here who is very confused lol
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
To better track you.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Maybe it can AFK my character in games for me
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The AI plays all video games for you, leaving you more time to work and be productive.
FuckFascism@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’ll bring down your kd bro be careful.
tehBishop@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
You can configure you mouse to press a button and it brings up a prompt where you can type an AI query in there.
Mwa@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
To better know everything you do and train it on aiTo improve Productivity and convince
Albbi@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Please don’t be Logitech, please don’t be Logitech…
Damnit.
Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Of Course it’s Logitech. Their software has been shit for ages.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
I do like the hardware tho and mine works just fine on linux without their garbage software. Got one of those ergo trackball mice and a G502 for some gaming.
Albbi@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I’ve been using the Logitech MX Master 3 mouse for a while now and the software has been alright. Lets me use my mouse across my desktop and laptop at the same time. It’s been alright, but I go to check out my button mapping settings recently and saw “AI prompt builder” and sighed at how stupid that is. I really really want hope the adding of AI to everything is a fad like Pogs, but I somehow doubt it.
Mwa@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
i wonder if a open source driver alternative exists.
Limonene@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
AeonFelis@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is not a driver. The README itself says:
Piper is merely a graphical frontend to the ratbagd DBus daemon
ratbagd itself, BTW, is also not a driver.
The unofficial open source license is called logiops, and according to the Debian site most of its builds are also under 2MB (and the two builds that aren’t are only slightly bigger)
There is also RatSlap, which I can’t find information on how big it is (and I’m not going to bother installing it just to find out)
Zink@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
I never thought to look for something like this, but it looks fantastic so i’m going to try it. Thanks!
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
and if you install it via fatpak its almost 1GB
Mwa@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
would be cool if it also worked on Windows and Macos
JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Does it still allow macros? I have a couple of 502s and my older one has fallen victim to the common problem of rhe switch getting bouncey so one click becomes multiple. Supposedly macros can fix this.
yarr@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
My first mouse driver was smaller than the picture you attached to this post
Magister@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I like SpaceSniffer, it is almost 10 years old program and I still use it
Damage@feddit.it 2 weeks ago
Windirstat is open source
corroded@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
My installation process for a new mouse is as follows: 1 - Attempt to plug it in. 2 - Flip the USB connector. 3 - Plug it in. 4 - Use the mouse.
Is there anything at all to be gained from installing the software that comes with the mouse? Even with extra side buttons, I’ve never had anything not work out of the box.
aesopjah@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
you could use autohotkey and remap mouse3/4 (or whatever they are) to C-c and C-v
Matriks404@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Don’t look up how much space Nvidia drivers take then.
Shanmugha@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Saving this to share at work. What an abomination that, I am sorry you have to deal with it
the_wiz@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Baaack in my day we got a driver for our mouse on a single DD floppy…
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Input Remapper on linux can get the job done without the need for this junk. I’ve used it for this exact purpose before.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Driver for you mouse? What are you on? MSDOS?
KestrelAlex@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
X mouse button control
It can’t detect some of the fancier buttons and gestures but it can often pickup buttons 4 and 5 for remapping, and it does chording and long press options to give you multiple functions without any AI bullshit.
misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Narrator: It wasn’t a driver.
orionsbelt@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
maybe this will help, if you wanted to ditch the logi driver:
github.com/pwr-Solaar/Solaar
Solaar is a Linux manager for many Logitech keyboards, mice, and other devices that connect wirelessly to a Unifying, Bolt, Lightspeed or Nano receiver as well as many Logitech devices that connect via a USB cable or Bluetooth. Solaar is not a device driver and responds only to special messages from devices that are otherwise ignored by the Linux input system.
OhShitSon@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Saving this for later.
capuccino@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
take it to the bushes.
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Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I hope one day theres something similar to this, but for 8bitdo.
I have an 8bitdo keyboard, and in order to map my buttons, I need to boot up a windows 10 hard drive, do my one time edits, save them to the keyboard, and THEN I can turn off the pc, swap back to my ZorinOS hard drive, and THEN I can go about as normal.
And if for some reason somethings wrong, or didn’t take, I’d have to repeat the whole process all over again.
All because the keyboard manager doesn’t work on linux. But it’s not logitech.
dubyakay@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Sell the 8bitdo keyboard and buy one instead that is capable of running with QMK or ZMK firmware and is configurable by either VIA or VIAL.
ogeist@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I have a Flydigi gamepad and I can use a virtual machine with tiny11 to change the configuration. The connection isn’t super stable but for the few times I have to do it, it works.
TheTetrapod@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Does this mean I can finally stop going back a page when I nudge my mouse the wrong way??
clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Does this require libratbag?