Obligatory footnote: EvoPsych is mostly bunk, deeply intertwined with eugenics and riddled with homophobia, sexism and rape apologia.
Skill issue
Submitted 1 month ago by InfiniteHench@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
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squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
taiyang@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Traditionally, yes, but I do want to note that modern takes use it to also argue for cooperation, since working with with others is good for survival and passing on genes. They also are the first to tell people how bunk the alpha male crap is, and the fact a lone wolf is a dead wolf.
CybranM@feddit.nu 1 month ago
EvoPsych?
GalacticHero@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Evolutionary psychology. I think there’s real research in the field, but it’s drowned out by charlatans who use invoke its name to lend credence to their made-up bullshit without the burden of scientific rigour.
MoreFPSmorebetter@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
I have ~10k hours in counterstrike across multi game versions and accounts. I noticed a similar thing over my years. The players doing well in a match were often neutral towards gamer girls, but the guy having a shit match would be the fastest sack of shit every time. Especially if one of the top fraggers pointed out they were being beaten by a girl.
Obviously there are always exceptions to any rules but in my anecdotal experience the guys who were confident in their abilities didn’t care about women but losers would attack them just for speaking.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Especially if one of the top fraggers pointed out they were being beaten by a girl.
Not really a gold star by the top player’s name for this, either. The comment alone leaves plenty of room to be interpreted as “girls should be easy to beat/poor gamers because they’re girls.”
MoreFPSmorebetter@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
They wouldn’t say “you’re getting beaten by a girl” as much as they would respond to the guys losing their minds who happened to be below them on the scoreboard by saying things like “Why are you yelling at her she’s playing better than you are shut up”. Kinda way.
Naz@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
You’re absolutely correct, I had a similar experience
I played CS for roughly the same amount of time; my clan ranges from DMG to Global, but we had a rule that if you were in the clan, we’d 5-man with you regardless of your rank, so if you were Silver, you’d have a chance to rub elbows and learn strategies from the higher skilled players.
Then we got a Global, a girl named Moon.
Holy hell, it’s like people’s brains did a 180°, they were incredibly mean to her, for no reason, and eventually it came out that she was trans, and they bullied her even worse, out of the server.
I kicked everyone who bullied/demonized Moon for being trans; because at the end of the day, it was about being a honest human being, and not just a CS player/gamer.
theangryseal@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Man. I miss when gungame was filled with people and all the fun addons. Warcraft 3 mods, vote for knife fight, “gotcha bitch” with every knife kill.
I want to go back.
CarnivorousCouch@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Counter Strike was way better when this was the vibe. I am so tired of competitive this and gun case that. I’ve never been interested in 5v5 scrimming in any serious way, but that’s all CS2 wants me to do.
I want gun game, I want wc3, I want ZM. I want quirky custom maps and quake sounds and !bet ct all. I want to fuck around with new friends on a server for an evening, not to sweat my balls off throwing practiced smokes on dust2.
ksigley@lemm.ee 1 month ago
OG /gg and /surf maps.
ramenshaman@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I have ~10k hours in counterstrike
Damn. There’s 8760 hours in a year btw. That’s impressive.
MoreFPSmorebetter@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
If it makes you feel any better those hours were spread out over the last 10 years or longer. I can’t even remember when I started. Just one of those ol’ reliable games for me.
ArtificialHoldings@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Ego soothing, peacocking behavior
Baggie@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Well then the obvious conclusion is that respecting women makes you better at video games.
TwanHE@lemmy.world 1 month ago
More likely higher ranked players finally figured out that keeping harmony within your team does wonders for your chance at winning. The amount of infighting I’ve had to stop just to save my elo is insane, why would i start something just because of someone’s gender.
edgemaster72@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I don’t think that’s right, I’m terrible at games but I still respect women (enough to avoid making them interact with me whenever possible)
Nosavingthrow@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Think about how bad you would be if you hated women. You’re really skill-maxing.
melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
no. as a mildly misandrist lesbian with lots of obsessive crushes:
provably not.
drmoose@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I have noticed that all of these misogynists are incredibly insecure alpha-pretending males. Can’t imagine how tiring this constant fear must be.
ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
So my transition from cringe lord to become a better individual overall is actually just me getting better at video game? Fair enough
IndiBrony@lemmy.world 1 month ago
No, but it means you give less of a shit when you lose.
catloaf@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Not necessarily.
MECHAGODZILLA2@midwest.social 1 month ago
Absolutely.
FlapJackFlapper@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Hate is often just a reflection of insecurities and a product of attempting to alleviate cognitive dissonance. Someone feels scared, doesn’t like feeling that way, and so converts their fear into anger – misdirected at someone else.
tacobellhop@midwest.social 1 month ago
Balance is the key. True that fear leads to anger and anger to hatred and a path of the dark side, but the Jedi were also guilty of dealing in absolutes until they were fighting outright fascism via space capitalism and clone contracts they built killed them all.
Shou@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Reminds me of this: journals.sagepub.com/doi/…/0361684319871913
In short. The higher the social status of the woman compared to the man, the more likely the man is to sexually objectify her. Wheras women aren’t more likely to do this based on relative status.
Objectification is defined as reducing a person to solely looks and sexual function.
Similar stuff is seen in primates. Females are easier targets to assert dominance over. Since they are physically weaker. Male long tail maqacues losing their status, would seek out younger/weaker targets to establish dominance over. Something that was interesting too, is that female maqacues with more masculine facial features, were less often subjected to dominance seeking behaviour (from both males and females if I recall correctly) than females with more feminine faces.
It seems to boil down to “who can I dominate with little risk?” Female? Easy. Big male? Stupid idea. Young male? No problem. Male of equal size? Potentially.
umbraroze@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I remember the last time I got messaged by some misogynist dipshit, way back in Halo 5, blaming me for losing the game. …When he was the worst performing player in the team. I just stared at the post game report and wondered how the heck the dude even managed to get a ranking as low as he did.
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 1 month ago
My daughter wanted to wear my headset when I was playing battlefield once. It was so funny listening to those losers rage because they Were getting stomped by a 5 yr old girl. Now days she still puts it on from time to time and it’s still hilarious.
vk6flab@lemmy.radio 1 month ago
Source?
catloaf@lemm.ee 1 month ago
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4503401/
Pretty sure it was just an excuse for the authors to play Halo, but skimming the study it still looks like valid science.
Zahille7@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Who actually needs an excuse to play Halo though?
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 month ago
update: pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4569351/
Replying to this with a T2S soon
ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Playing online since dialup/Internet cafe days, can confirm. Also it’s just more fun to get along.
Draegur@lemm.ee 1 month ago
This is part of why confidence is attractive.
It isn’t that confident humans of the male reproductive caste treat women more flippantly; it’s that actual competency correlates with not being as much of an insufferable whiny piece of shit.
minorkeys@lemmy.world 1 month ago
“I can’t even beat a girl!?”
orins@lemmings.world 1 month ago
That’s an interesting study. It makes sense that dominance-seeking behavior follows a ‘low-risk, high-reward’ strategy across species. The connection between status, objectification, and primate behavior is fascinating—wonder if similar patterns appear in different cultural contexts.
ameancow@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Just remember that evolutionary biology is largely considered quack science, by evolutionary biologists themselves (at least in terms of how ev-bio is used to write papers and books about how horny men and women act in bars, and why your Tinder profile isn’t working.)
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I didn’t even know people were still playing Halo 3 in 2015
7355608@lemmy.world 1 month ago
This is probably seen through rose tinted glasses, but Halo 3 had the best multi-player experience I think. It has community created maps, game modes, and an a way for anybody with a account to share what they made. From pictures to custom forge maps. I have nothing but fond memories of the experience.
moakley@lemmy.world 1 month ago
This is definitely an objective opinion based on facts and universal experiences: the best multiplayer experience was Halo 1, when we ran ethernet cables between our dorm rooms. I’d wake up to someone slamming on my door telling me to turn my Xbox on, and I’d jump right into a death match.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
My life went down in Containment doing 1v1 splitscreem pvp with my friend.
I will never let anyone say Halo 2 was worse than any other entry.
It’s either Reach, CE or 2 (in the chronological order).Genius@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Halo 3 released on better hardware, so they included huge multiplayer maps like Sandtrap, but they hadn’t yet realised that huge maps require faster traversal. As a result, your Spartan moves around like a sack of wet potatoes.
Halo 2 has the best slow multiplayer because of the tighter maps, and Halo 5 has the best fast multiplayer because of the traversal tools.
Zorque@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Master Chief Collection came out in late 2014.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It sucked so hard for the first 4 years that I didn’t start playing it again until 2018 when they sorta fixed it.
Kyle_The_G@lemmy.world 1 month ago
its the best one, I still go back to it from time to time
HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I was a Halo 3 try hard and if anything I was nicer to female voices because I stupidly wanted to woo them. IDK exactly what the logistics of that would have been thinking back.
MITM0@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Can we see the study ?? Let’s see how credible it is
silverlose@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Not the actual paper but here ya go
MITM0@lemmy.world 1 month ago
So no citations & only a mere opinion ? So it’s clear as day then. It’s a misandric hit-piece (off course it’s from BBC)
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 1 month ago
they then went on to become the founders of incel culture
MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Incel culture has always existed it just didn’t have a way out if it’s mom’s basement without the internet.
MITM0@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I wonder what kind of person judges people (Men to be precise) as sub-humans because they didn’t have sex with a woman ?
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 1 month ago
lol incel club has been infested with other creepy stuff waaaay beyond just that somewhile ago. today’s incels are low level IQ insults to the people who were the true incels of before, like those intelligent people who came up with 15 feb and so on.
softcat@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I tend to think the average person is extremely judgmental and desperate for status hierarchy. In part that’s the conclusion of the study. As you can see in the other IQ-obsessed reply, it’s not exactly uncommon.
ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world 1 month ago
That summary may also explain why some men are so insecure about women earning more money than them too.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Understandable - management has a natural affinity.
drthunder@midwest.social 1 month ago
I got hit on a couple times in Starcraft 2 of all games just because I had a feminine-sounding username. I literally got “damn girl, look at that MMR” once and it’s so funny.
AoxoMoxoA@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Noted : misogyny is a submissive issue
JakobFel@retrolemmy.com 1 month ago
Politicizing games is so incredibly tiresome.
pyre@lemmy.world 1 month ago
this literally has nothing to do with the game itself. it’s about behavior towards other people, which is intently political.
also video games are art which makes them political as well.
the fact that you kneejerked into this reaction feels super insecure and reactionary.
JakobFel@retrolemmy.com 1 month ago
More like I’m just sick of people hijacking my favorite art form to express political/social issues or sexual fetishes, both of which are becoming too common. It’s exactly why I’ve grown more and more in favor of retro gaming, back neither of those expressions were anything but a fringe group of miserable individuals and weirdos that most gamers ignored. Not going to argue further, I’ve spoken my piece.
Elevator7009@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
work to improve the skill gap or draw 20
acknowledge that singular woman is better than you at this one particular skill or draw 20
LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Didn’t sample all of the shitty halo players that are too afraid to talk to a women.
arotrios@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Incel in a nutshell:
Weird Al, take that one with my blessing and run for the hills…
Lumbardo@reddthat.com 1 month ago
Why did you post this? Seems like a waste of time.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 month ago
I never understood this mentality, myself.
Gamers: “I never get laid… 😩”
Also Gamers: “Women are just kitchen accessories.”
pyre@lemmy.world 1 month ago
because you think of “I never get laid” as a normal human need to connect with another person, which is what it is but they’re too deep in misogyny to realize it. instead to them getting laid is a quest to complete and it involves a quest item known as a woman, not a character. so I never get laid has less of an undertone of “why can’t I connect with a woman” and more of “when will we get our government mandated sex slaves”
Artyom@lemm.ee 1 month ago
You might have a career as a Halo 3 e-sports pro then!
Worx@lemmynsfw.com 1 month ago
I can buy a new toaster from the shop, why can’t I buy a woman too? Does this mean Gamers are pro sex-work? Or pro indentured servitude for women more likely…
Delphia@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You cant pirate pussy, and we all know how gamers feel about subscription models.
GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 1 month ago
G*mers aren’t known for being smart.
melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
yeah. all your free time is conclusions being handed to you and the illusion of agency.
and it’s not like everyone’s sitting around playing shit like ‘disco elysium’ all day.
andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 month ago
How does romance work in most video games? Select the correct dialogue options, memorize the correct answer to questions, give them the same gift every day?
The other main way a lot of young men “interact” with women is through porn, which is always made with a mind to what a woman would enjoy during sex…
GladiusB@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I understand it, but I don’t think it applies.
Gamers tend to think of things as quests. A box to check off. A completionist. Getting married and having kids is part of life’s quests for many people. It’s not seen as collaboration in many ways.