The behind the bastards episode will teach you a lot about this piece of shit. Wozniak is the genius, this is just another predatory businessman. Good riddance.
Anon is smarter than a genius
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KuroiKaze@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Hawke@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Yknow, while I 90% agree with you there seems to be some element between the technical genius (Wozniak) and the idiot businessman that is Tim Apple.
Jobs may have been an asshole but there’s something to be said for the uncompromising non-technical focus on UX that allowed Jobs to make the iPhone a success.
acockworkorange@mander.xyz 4 weeks ago
And when he got cast out of Apple, his drive created NeXT, which then became MacOS X. Still, good riddance.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Sure Wozniak invented the Apple I and II. But if he never met Jobs his inventions would have stayed a hobby and Apple would have never existed. Woz also didn’t push for an OS with a GUI (which was revolutionary back then) that was Jobs’ idea. Not to mention that Woz has nothing to do with Apple’s comeback. He has been an honorary employee since Jobs left. Woz is a genius but people give him way too much credit just like they do with Jobs.
JokeDeity@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Jobs had no ideas. GUI, like everything else, was stolen from someone else. Apple and Microsoft both got big by stealing ideas.
Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
“Invent” is the wrong term, it’s “design”.
a new idea is an invention, the implementation is a design.
Michal@programming.dev 4 weeks ago
Wow, they made 4 episodes about him, each over an hour long.
Haven’t listened to Behind The Bastards but will give this one a listen.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
Oh boy, welcome to the Bastards club. Brought to you by Raytheon and Blue Apron.
MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
If you like that they’re all pretty solid, but I recommend you check out the MKULTRA episodes. I thought I knew about it, I didn’t know the half of it. I didn’t even know about the one way mirror masturbatorium.
JokeDeity@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Careful, it’s addicting, I’ve probably listened to over 100 hours of Robert Evans talking about the scum of the Earth now.
PotatoLibre@feddit.it 4 weeks ago
Still remeber an interview to Buffet in his time when he used to hamg out with Bill Gates.
It surprised me he considered Gates a talented investor, like he shouldn’t supposed to be. I mean Warren, Bill is an investor as much as you are. Even Buffet was confused from the “tech nerd” aura of Bill.
Same with Jobs, Musk and so on. They’re just good investors (and usually despicable persons).
riodoro1@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Im sure the iPod was Wozniaks idea.
Tiger_Man_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Not to mention the actual pioneer of generic-text languages, the inventor of the compiler, Grace Hopper.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 4 weeks ago
She was on Letterman. youtu.be/oE2uls6iIEU
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
well one is good at selling stuff including himself
boonhet@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
My crusaing teenage ass posted this in 2011 on social media. Nobody cared lol
BJ_and_the_bear@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Fact of the matter is way more people know who Steve Jobs is compared to Dennis Ritchie, so it’s no wonder his death garnered way more attention too. But the sentiment still stands IMO
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
I highly doubt the consequences of Dennis Richie not existing. Yes, his work was foundational, but he didn’t do it on his own, and if he wasn’t around, someone else would’ve filled in.
The same is true for Steve Jobs. In fact, most of his contribution was being a jerk to people so his ideas won. He had a clear vision, but his internal implementation was… iffy.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
He tried to fight P.C. with apples.
JDPoZ@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Jesus Christ. That is fucking poetry.
Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
I mean, fucking up is a common thing people do and is an integral part of the human condition. What should be emphasized about Jobs case is that he fucked up his own liver, learned the cause and treatments, used his wealth to cut in the waiting line to get a liver transplant, and then fucked his second liver just the same way. This is the definition of terminally stupid, and no UX focus will ever change that.
SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 4 weeks ago
I remember reading a story a while back about the documentary they were making on him. He had his special diet of juices and supplements and whatnot, which he claimed helped him while his liver was failing. The actor who portrayed him started following the same diet to better get in character. Only then he collapsed on set with liver problems. They did a full medical work up and basically told him whatever you’re doing stop doing it because it’s killing you. He went back to his normal diet and he was fine. Raising the serious question, did Steve Jobs outsmart himself to death? If he had given up all the diets and supplements and whatnot might he have lived?
RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
If he had pursued modern medical treatments rather than a sugar filled diet he might have lived. He would have to have stepped down though and he did not want to do that.
He would also have to admit he was completely wrong about his diet and that he absolutely did not want to do as it was tied to some dumbass “philosophy” he followed.
easily3667@lemmus.org 4 weeks ago
If “outsmart” is ignore people who know things because you believe you know everything…yes
BeliefPropagator@discuss.tchncs.de 4 weeks ago
How did he fuck up his liver? Do you mean that he was doing something that caused him to develop that tumor?
RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Jobs ate only fruit. That is a lot of sugar. Your liver doesn’t like that.
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 4 weeks ago
Forgot about that. I too am deeply irresponsible with my liver, but I would never ask for a second one. That’s an entire human organ!
LucidLyes@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Jobs paved the way for Musk. I hate that he’s so often cited as a genius to look up to in the tech world
einfach_orangensaft@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
People mistaking Marketing people for tech genies happens to often.
Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 4 weeks ago
I find it really amusing to know Bill Gates ones made fun of him:
“Steve’s achievements are all the more impressive when you know that he couldn’t look at a piece of code and know what it was.”
However he also said:
“Clearly, he had so many skills that I didn’t, but we were both a little bit pied pipers in terms of getting people to work ridiculous hours.”
Which really should tell you everything you need to know given who made the money and how many people were made to work “ridiculous hours”.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Maybe, but then you also have people like my brother who basically worship Jobs, and say shit like “Wozniak is expendable.”
I told him people like Wozniak are the real geniuses who actually make shit work, and he told me straight faced that without people like Jobs people like Wozniak will probably just have a desk job.
ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
The behind the bastards episodes on Jobs was really eye-opening to just how awful of a leader he was
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 4 weeks ago
It is a MASSIVE eye opener
easily3667@lemmus.org 4 weeks ago
Not musk, the entire silicon valley fake it and hope you make it mindset. Jobs opened the door for Holmes. Jobs opened the door for Uber to completely make up a business plan. Jobs opened the door to Elon buying “founder” status. His genius contribution is in making the tech industry the batch of lying scum it is today.
LucidLyes@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Which is one of the reasons I’m giving up on working in tech despite having a PhD from my home country in Telecommunications. I have skills and could learn the ones I lack but I just don’t have the mindset and attitude and don’t feel like developing them. I’d rather code my own projects in my own way while remaining underemployed.
Juice@midwest.social 4 weeks ago
Being rich makes you so divorced from consequences that you start to believe that what is in your brain is what is real. Money isn’t what we think it is.
shortrounddev@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Money is like radioactive material. Having a little bit in your house probably is fine but having a mountain of it will make you hole up in a Las Vegas hotel with tissue boxes for shoes
BrundleFly2077@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
These words resonate so hard with me that my head is ringing like a bell right now. “Money isn’t what we think it is.” ^5, you.
Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Also bought his way up the organ donor list even after he took so long ignoring it, passing over a bunch of people who should have had claim to it and some who died instead, all just so he could die anyway because he took too long to get treatment. Failed so hard multiple people died.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 weeks ago
Source on this? I read that Tim Apple offered a donation and Steve refused. I have not read that he had the surgery.
easily3667@lemmus.org 4 weeks ago
You can literally just look on Wikipedia. Tim cook offered part of his, jobs said “nah I want a whole one from some poor person” and the rest is history.
Sporkbomber@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
He did get a transplant, in TN. Not in CA where he lived. He used his wealth to add himself to a areas with more donors and fewer on the wait list because he could hop on a jet unlike normal plebians.
al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com 4 weeks ago
He believed in apple until his end. Hey-0!
goldteeth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
He died as he lived, trying to beat PC with Apple.
proper@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
iSee what you did there
Thcdenton@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Only fanboys. The same kind that worship Musk or any other fellated-by-the-press CEO as some kind of hero. They softball any criticisms and turn them into positives - “He murdered a bunch of kids, but the creativity he got from the blood splatter and time spent in court-ordered community service got us this addictive device we’re all fawning over…let’s justify the ridiculous price and wait in line for one!” Something about objectively shitty people heading up organizations seems to attract sycophants and bootlickers.
Zink@programming.dev 4 weeks ago
Only fanboys.
Oh I wish. It’s more like 2/3 of American society, and I’m sure plenty of others around the world. But if you wanted to cast a wide net and call them fanboys of the rich, I guess that’s fair.
If you are worth billions, and even moreso if you are a business leader and therefore “earned” those billions, then “worship” is the right word. They are not just good people, but the greatest among us who should be put in charge of everything. (Enter our new emperor)
hOrni@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Imagine how insufferable he would be today.
peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Couldn’t be worse than Muskrat.
hOrni@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I shudder thinking about the bullshit these two would spill being together on Joe Rogan.
wieson@feddit.org 4 weeks ago
Back on the old site on one of those text based subreddits there was a question posted:
Would you rather have free WiFi wherever you go, or any apple product you wish at any time.
My (then unrotted) brain was like: mmh WiFi everywhere is good, but apple cake, apple pie, apple sauce, apple spritz, apple cider, apple strudel, dried apples… Yeah I’m going with apple products
orcrist@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
I was reading an interesting article the other day about how after World War II people were obviously opposed to populism, and by the '80s and certainly the '90s people that were born after the war had lost the awareness of the danger that hero worship creates.
At the same time, many organizations including government organizations had failed to update themselves over the years, so people romanticized the idea of someone walking in and magically making the correct snap judgments that would remedy the situation. This was so pervasive in the business world I think in part because it allowed corporate executives to justify f****** over ordinary employees. If the company makes or breaks because of one person at the top, who cares if you’re paying people minimum wage and they can’t even afford to pay for dental care or a car.
What amazed me is how long that vision of Steve Jobs stuck around. Even in recent years people have been praising him, but if you think of the value in his company, it’s mostly a load of s***. Those phones and computers are incredibly overpriced, and they have so many bad aspects, especially lock-in, which most people intuitively understand these days. And still we have Apple addicts.
cdkg@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Steve jobs ain’t a genius. He was just a good salesman.
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
I never like to let people forget the raw fruit diet comes from a cult that believes people from Venus told us that’s the key to eternal life
Artyom@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Before he died, he did say it was one of his biggest regrets.
narfer@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
This 😂. A fucking genius choosing pseudoscience…
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I’d be far more interested in learning more about the other folks on the Macintosh team. They’re an amazing group of people who put a lot of care into something they believed in, Steve Jobs notwithstanding. What they did with what they had was amazing, and the fact that they got lost in Jobs’ spotlight is tragic.
rockettaco37@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
He might’ve been a marketing genius
Oncology… not so much
sebinspace@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
where’s the lie?
Little8Lost@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
An apple a day keeps the doctor away
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
The truth of genius is its only momentary and usually highly specific.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 weeks ago
It’s unfortunate because his leadership / sense of taste is what made Apple a powerhouse. Under Tim Apple, the software has languished. They’re great at hardware and the software is far from great. What a shame.
selokichtli@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
Thought Apples would save him back.
Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 4 weeks ago
being smart at something doesn’t mean youre smart at anything. not that im saying that jobs was smart, but its not a given. e.g how there are scientists who are anti-vax
Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Destroyed computer-aided collaboration.
www.quora.com/…/Harri-K-HiltunenUniversalMonk@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Well they do sorta have a point. Even Jobs said he shouldn’t have ignored treatment for so long.
Jhex@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Where is the “genius”?
kerrigan778@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Who the hell is Steve Jobs?
Boomkop3@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
If Steve Jobs is the bar for being considered genius then half the planet is genius
Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
There is a distinct type of person, very good at one thing, that is unable to understand that doesn’t translate to the rest of their life. Easiest to describe them as a high int, low wis character.
lordnikon@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
And by good at one thing you mean exploiting people and gaslighting the media.
AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Still incredible that people bought into “half the features twice the price” Apple products so hard that it corrupted the entire industry
Snowclone@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Doctors failed to communicate the situation in a way he would grasp that his choices were death or chemo. Maybe a, "that’s your choice? OK, before you go, how world you like us to handle your corpse? So you want a full autopsy to confirm the cancer diagnosis, or would you prefer we didn’t? Is there a particular burial home you have plans with? "
But in all likelihood there’s nothing anyone could have said to him to make him see reason.
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 4 weeks ago
“The CEO after you will mess up the design of apple products”
Zagorath@aussie.zone 4 weeks ago
There is a real systemic problem with healthcare. I dunno if it would have applied to Jobs, but with normal patients, the quick get-in get-out assembly line–like approach to healthcare means patients don’t feel well taken care of, which is a stark contrast to pseudoscientific woo-woo like chiropracty, reiki, naturopathy, and other “alternative medicine”, where the practitioners take their time and make the patients feel listened to. Is it any wonder that some people, especially those of minorities that have historically tended to be treated even worse by actual medical professionals (women’s “hysteria”, black people “feel pain less”, fat people “just need to lose weight”, etc ), are becoming more likely to embrace the thing that makes them feel good, rather than the thing that actually works?
IMO alternative medicine practitioners who discourage their customers from going to real doctors should be imprisoned. But the big problem is a lack of funding to real doctors to allow them to spend more time providing more personal care to patients.
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
At some points, people are adults and allowed to make their own bad decisions
echodot@feddit.uk 4 weeks ago
I used to work as a court clerk and judges are like this. You cannot tell them anything because if they get it into their heads that they know better than you then they will completely ignore reality in favor of their own, largely arbitrary, fictional universe.
The best incentive ever not to commit a crime is to find out how utterly dysfunctional the legal system is.
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
The Alito brain is the end stage of this mentality.
“‘Any’ limitation?? Have you considered fish and birds aren’t mammals? The principal wouldn’t be happy! Checkmate EPA, now you can’t enforce water quality standards.” -SCOTUS last week.
ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
See also: Nobel Disease.
ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 4 weeks ago
Every PhD ever
jaybone@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
What was the one thing he was good at?
echodot@feddit.uk 4 weeks ago
People say he was good at marketing but really he was only okay at marketing. He got fined because everyone hated him. Then they completely mismanaged the company and had no choice but to bring him back, which of course just reinforced his ego.
The truth was they could have got any moderately competent CEO and they would have brought Apple back from the brink, just as much as Steve Jobs did. Look at Tim Cook, he’s not doing an obviously worse job than Jobs did, but because he doesn’t have the formers aura, people rightfully call him out every time he does something stupid.
threeduck@aussie.zone 4 weeks ago
I think he had a good grasp on consumer desires. Which seems to be really tough for the majority of people, perhaps business people in particular.
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
I call it the engineer disease. Good to know that other fields have it as well…
MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
Ever met a surgeon?