Doordash deserves it's fate

Submitted ⁨⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech⁩ to ⁨mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world⁩

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2 pizzas, a small order of breadsticks, and wanted to splurge and get cinnamon sticks.

Pizzas are a “Buy one get one deal!” at 13 bucks a pizza. Figured what the hell, I’ll splurge on desert then with the deal. Get to checkout… hold on a minute… 50 dollars for pizza?! Wait a minute 80 dollars after fees and taxes?!

Usually I only use Doordash for finding something, then I order direct from the store. I just saw the sweet “buy one get one” deal and thought eh, fine I’m here. Right, that’s why I stopped using door dash. I’m not spending 80 dollars on freaking pizza. I’ll just go pick it up and spend a quarter of that price.

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satans_methpipe@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I will always get a good laugh at people who are shocked that private courier services are expensive.

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- Redex68@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I mean, it shouldn’t be that expensive. Where I live basically every pizza and fast food place used to offer free delivery. Nowadays because of delivery services this has died out a bit, but it still exits, yet ordering through the delivery services is way more expensive.
  
  I honestly don’t even get it, because for a long time the delivery services were operating at a loss, not even sure if most of them are in the plus even now, yet they should be more efficient than every fast food place having its own drivers.
  
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  - Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca ⁨39⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
    The pizza place has free delivery because the cost is built into the pizza and people who pick up at the store pay that even though they don’t get delivery. Using a private delivery service they charge more because they don’t get a piece of the ‘pie’ so you’re basically paying twice for delivery.
    
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- Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  If you can make multiple deliveries each trip then home delivery could be more efficient, but it’s hard to see how it could be cheaper than picking the meal up yourself.
  
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  - Spaceballstheusername@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    When I delivered pizza and BBQ(different places) that’s what we did. Load up 2-4 orders and delivery range was like 15 miles. The pizza place was always busy but the BBQ only did delivery during lunch and dinner. Now you can order a coffee from Pete’s 20 miles away at 7am. Some things don’t make sense to deliver and no one wins.
    
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  - Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    They do make multiple deliveries per trip…
    
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DaddysLittleSlut@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
How far away are you??? That is expensive. Normally it’s not that bad. I just went up to 54$ on an order and tax and shipping is only 15$. While it’s not “good”. It’s not bad either.

So I am guessing you either hit a busy period or live drastically far away from the place you ordered.

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zerosignal@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Seeing things like this make me happy that I

live in a state that banned junk fees.

live just far enough outside of a metro area that these services don’t deliver to me so I don’t have to worry about being tempted to order from them.
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CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Stop using it. It’s that simple.

Gig economy work is horrible for the workers, and incredibly exploitative. The workers frequently make less than minimum wage.

I refuse to order from any restaurant that doesn’t do their own delivery. If enough other people do the same, these places will curl up and die very quickly.

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- 0x01@lemmy.ml ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I don’t disagree, but jobs are already hard to come by, puahing people out of the only jobs they can find is a rough solution
  
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  - CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    The jobs won’t disappear. They’ll just change. The need is obviously there.
    
    Here in Colorado a bunch of drivers just formed a employee owned co-op, both to give the middle finger to Uber and Lyft, and so the drivers can actually earn a living. We need more of that.
    
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  - bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    well that sounds like unemployment insurance with more steps. rather than people buying stuff they don’t need so that it can be delivered to keep someone in a job, and paying the apps the fees, remove the middleman.
    
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- dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  They said they don’t use it and only use it to browse the menu.
  
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Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Am I missing something? If these are the prices for the service, who is using this?

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- GladiusB@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  People that just pay and don’t pay attention
  
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  - scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    They really do hide the final price until the last second when you’re most committed. They’re banking on your hunger, seeing everything in your cart, and either being so excited you’ll just click the buttons to make food come, or you’ll justify it away.
    
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- meliaesc@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  There’s a $10 monthly subscription to remove delivery fees and most of the “service fee”, which is much cheaper than paying “full” price on one order, so tricks people into thinking they’re saving money by subscribing.
  
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- uncrme@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  People with more sense than money lol, there’s never really a great reason to get Doordash or Uber Eats
  
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  - frog_brawler@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Everybody is drunk, but hungry is a great reason for food delivery.
    
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- Crashumbc@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  It’s to push you into paying for the membership. But yeah they totally rip off lazy people.
  
  I have a GrubHub membership but only because Amazon was offering a 3 year deal last year. I think they may have bought GrubHub…
  
  Some places also charge more on the services to make up for the cut the online service gets.
  
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underwire212@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Few questions:

How far away is the pizza place? Do you live in a remote area? What time of day is it? What are the driving conditions like (snow/rain/other hazards)?

Not saying this is reasonable on DoorDash’s end, but there’s a ton of information we’re missing here. So I don’t understand how people can jump to certain conclusions this quickly.

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- scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Unless they’re a hundred miles away, I don’t see how $30 in pizza goes up to $80 for delivery.
  
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SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I don’t understand how all of these delivery services are so popular when everyone is saying how high the cost of living is. People have money to blow on delivery fees?

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- damnedfurry@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Yes. Those people consider things like this part of the “cost of living”, not the luxury that it is.
  
  On average, people have more of an issue overspending than they do underearning. That’s why even among people making six figures, 1 in 4 of them live “paycheck to paycheck”, which people assume to mean ‘barely make enough to make ends meet’, but what more commonly means ‘deliberately chooses not to save/spends every dollar earned’.
  
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- electric@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Just fools and their money being parted.
  
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- letsgo@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Easy really. The shop has one parking space which is occupied by their delivery driver. The next nearest parking space is half a mile away through a dark alley and you have to pay, but it takes so long to pay that you get fined. The shop itself is freezing because the door doesn’t shut properly. It’s also a ten mile drive away, down wide fast roads, or at least roads that would be fast if they weren’t infested by ridiculously low average speed cameras which mean you have to crawl all the way there and back or risk getting fined again. Then when you get home you discover you’ve been fined for the last time you parked somewhere and overstayed by a whole nanosecond.
  
  That’s how it is in the UK anyway. And politicians wonder why town centres are dying.
  
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- AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  FWIW my teen does. For him it’s a combination of things not available on campus and he’s always sent money as soon as he gets it
  
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AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Where is whatever government agency is in charge of truth in labeling, not ripping off the consumer …. At the very least they are deliberately hiding some of their fees under “taxes and fees” in the hope that some pole won’t realize how high it is for a tax. Taxes should be itemized so everything else is fees

Assuming that agency still exists. Why are these “free market” types always seem to not want the transparency and fairness that makes a free market work well?

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- Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  “Freedom” to “free market” types is the freedom to do whatever you want with no consequences regardless of the impact to others.
  
  “Free market” means if you get duped or swindled then “you deserved it”.
  
  “Free market” means if it really causes harm then “people just won’t buy it”.
  
  “Free market” is way more what most people think anarchy is than what anarchists are advocating for.
  
  Anarchy is “if I want to do cocaine and I die, that’s on me, the government shouldn’t be allowed to control what I do with my body”
  
  Free market is “we should be allowed to add a little bit of cocaine to this baby formula so our brand beats out the competition and no one should be allowed to tell us we can’t”
  
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mrodri89@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Ive deleted all those apps. They really got greedy. And the crazy part is I think I remember the government giving them money for grocery delivery.

I dont get it.

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- A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  The greed during covid exploded. especially where companies felt people were stuck/captured, like delivery services.
  
  I wouldnt be surprised if they start dying soon from their short term profits from gouging running out.
  
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zanyllama52@infosec.pub ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I don’t use doordash and I don’t like the business models that are in practice with many of these types of companies

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Snapz@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
You did it! No delivery fee! You’re so lucky!

Oh hey… Unrelated, but let me get $20 in “fees” please.

Really though, congrats on that delivery discount though, you’re really coming out in top, putting me through the ringer, bud!

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- Scavenger_Solardaddy@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  'Murica, the land of the fees!
  
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Rivalarrival@lemmy.today ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Your driver would have been paid a total of $6.50 on that order.

Thank you for canceling.

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- scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Part of that fee is the “Seattle drivers fee”, which is supposed to go to the drivers, but they’ve been very shady about that, and the tipping algorithm was not adjusted at all when they rolled it out. They were also really shitty at the time blaming greedy drivers and the mean old city for forcing them to pay their drivers… and that’s when I stopped using them for good.
  
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dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
OP. How is it 53?

13 for the two pizzas. How much are the breadsticks and dessert?

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- relic_@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Many places raise the price of things ordered through door dash. So it might be $13 if you go through their own website, but not door dash.
  
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- Crashumbc@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Yeah the math doesn’t add up. Maybe they bought a bunch of toppings? Pizza places crush you for ordering individual toppings.
  
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  - meliaesc@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    OP forgot to apply the buy one get one deal to the order
    
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- nelly_man@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I think the deal was $13 per pizza when you buy two. Toppers around me has a similar deal that is always available. One large specialty pizza is $23, but they have a deal where you can get two large pizzas for $12 each instead. A small order of sticks is $10, and a large order is $15. So two large orders of sticks (which are the same size as a large pizza) with two large pizzas with the deal would be about right.
  
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Raiderkev@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Sometimes when I find deals like this on doordash or Uber eats, I buy them and select pickup at the store. It will drop menu prices, and have no fees added. I got a straight smorgasbord from Wingstop the other day taking advantage of 2 buy one get one deals and a $8 off $40 deal.i spent $34 to pick it up. To get the same thing delivered it was like $56+tip.

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- scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Be careful with this though, Doordash may not directly take a fee, but the food can be a higher price, no matter what they’re going to take a cut, sometimes at the expense of the restaurant owner.
  
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  - Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Yep. Best deal is to phone the restaurant and pay (in cash) on pickup.
    
    If it’s not cheaper, you’ll likely get additional items instead.
    
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Vinstaal0@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
“Estimated taxes” what is that for bullshit? You can just calculate how much the tax should be.

I know it’s not how it works in the US, but if they advertise it for 13$ they should sell it for 13$ including tax.

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- A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  “Estimated Taxes” is where they hide all the bullshit made up fees and imaginary taxes that are pure profit and increase profit margin, but if they listed it as “Customer Fuck-over Fee” people would obviously stop using it.
  
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- Raiderkev@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  They lump it together. Estimated taxes AND fees. Usually the tax part is like 30% while the fee part is like 70%.a lot of hotel sites will do this for unpublished rates, and the tax part is $0.
  
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thezeesystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
As someone who is disabled and known people who are disabled, we don’t have the luxury of going out to eat as it is incredibly hard on us, I don’t use them but if I want to get nice food from a restaurant I really don’t have a choice besides delivery and there’s not a lot of places that do delivery without these apps (and some places hide that it’s doordash and say it’s there own)

For one of the people I knew in the past who couldn’t cook there own food because of there disabilities, they heavily relied on doordash type services and they barley ate because being disabled means your incredibly poor, but this anti human society doesn’t care about disabled people.

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- AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Yeah, my Mom is mobility impaired and these services were fantastic for her quality of life, in the beginning. However now she not only can’t afford them, she refuses even if someone else pays - I can send $100 for a meal, it she’s horrified at the idea of paying that for me meal for one person
  
  At least grocery deliveries are still ok in her area
  
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pedz@lemmy.ca ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
My sister uses doordash and there’s always something wrong. Yet she insists on trying again and again, and I can’t understand why.

I have never used them or Uber or others like this, and refuse to do so. They exploit their workers, they charge exorbitant fees, and when something’s wrong, it’s nobody’s fault.

If I want food, I go get it myself. I’m my own delivery boy! And contrary to a lot of people delivering food, I will not park on a sidewalk or in a bike lane.

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- mwproductions@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I have a friend who hates grocery shopping, so they get their food delivered, but then constantly complains about nonsensical substitutions. They’re not wrong that the substitutions don’t make sense, but there’s a really easy way to ensure you get exactly what you want…
  
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- perniciousanteater@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  The one thing I will say positively about DoorDash is that when something is wrong with the order, it is really easy to report it and receive fair credit in the app instantly.
  
  I’ve been trying to order directly more often, to avoid fees and tips, and if something is wrong it’s almost always a hassle to get any kind of credit without going back to the store in person. I barely want to go in the first place, so having to go back just to get $3 doesn’t really make sense.
  
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  - Underwire@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    That’s their model, they make everything easy and take the loss. But after everyone started using them, they can do whatever they want.
    
    I remember 10 years ago a collegue is telling me that that Amazon was great. You order something, it arrives and if there is an issue with the order, you can order a replacement by yourself and it will arrive before even you returned the first item. Few weeks ago I had an issue with an order and you need to contact the customer service for a solution. Chat was not working, you can request a call back but it wasn’t working either, they give you a number to call but it isn’t working. 4 years ago it was much easier to contact them.
    
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MNByChoice@midwest.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I stop ordering from restaurants that shuffle orders to Door Dash.

I wouldn’t mind a local co-op food delivery company.

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DirkMcCallahan@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Yeah, every time I think about getting Doordash, they sucker me in with promises of $1 delivery fees, etc. Then I take the time to find out what I want, put it in my cart, get excited, and…then I see the final price.

That’s when I close out of my browser and go preheat my oven so that I can put in a frozen pizza.

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- scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  We created a rule, if you want to eat out, you have to be willing to get up and go get it. If you’re not willing to do that, you obviously don’t want it that badly and you can make something at home or do something else. It’s saved me probably thousands of dollars now. However DD is great at showing me what restaurants are around me, I just have to weed out the fake ones. Google has gotten worse and worse about showing me the small places around me.
  
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  - CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    That’s a great tip for finding new restaurants! I get to waste the middleman’s resources, too! Win win.
    
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  - chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    To me, going and picking up food IS the lazy option. I refuse to be lazier than that. I mean, that’s not true. If delivery was free, I’d use it.
    
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- NJSpradlin@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Ordered CFA with a friend a few weeks ago, an hour and a half later and it still hadn’t arrived. My friend canceled their order and we drove out to CFA and ordered it in person, it was less than $30 USD. That’s when they mentioned that the new order was less than half of what they were charged on DoorDash.
  
  It blew my mind, they said it was close to $80 for two large chicken nuggets (whatever count that is) with two large fries, an OJ and a large fountain drink. The place was literally under 10 minutes away, they charged more than 2.5x for it, and it hadn’t even arrived in an hour and a half. DoorDash is terrible.
  
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Railcar8095@lemm.ee ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I’m missing something. If the two pizzas were 13, then the sticks + desert were 40? Then tax and service fee on top (40% lol)

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- dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Yeah I’m confused about this too.
  
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- scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  When I went to the store, they honored the 2 for one and I walked out paying 30 dollars. Door dash said they honored the 2 for one, but their base price was 50. They also don’t show the itemized cost breakdown. Real sus.
  
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  - Railcar8095@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    You can tap on top where it says 4 items to see the itemized breakdown, right?
    
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KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Makes me so grateful I have Starship where I live. No price markups, no tips, only a $3 fee.

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killwill@feddit.nl ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
My 1 year dashpass expiring was the best thing to happen to me. Lost 10+ pounds in a month just eating pb&j or pb&banana for lunch. Also saved like $300 a month.

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raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

“Buy one get one deal!"

That’s not a deal, that’s a normal sale. Did they actually phrase it like that? “You pay for 1 item, you get 1 item”? What you mean - and what such a wording might mislead you to believe - is “buy one, get one free” (a.k.a. BOGOF)

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- imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  BOGO is a very common thing in commerce, and means get one free
  
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  - raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
    doesn’t mean it any less logical :) but then again, marketing people were never known for excessive logical thinking skills…
    
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BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
These apps will die slowly until the companies can switch to self driving electric cars.

Once they become common/cheap enough that a pizza place can afford one or two self driving cars doing delivery the prices on these things will absolutely crash.

For pizza, I wouldn’t be surprised if it went a step further and the pizza was made and cooked by a robot inside the vehicle while it drives around. Only needing to go restock and recharge every few hours.

Not needing a retail location or almost any staff would make the whole thing super cheap to operate.

In the meantime fuck all food delivery.

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RegalPotoo@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Yeah, doordash can gdiaf. Local burger joint only does delivery through doordash, but adds 20% on top of the base price to cover the fees doordash change them (fair enough), then doordash adds the delivery fee they charge me on top of that as well. They double dip on fees by changing both the restaurant and the customer, what should be a fairly affordable lunch when I don’t have time to make something or go out and get it myself would end up being stupid expensive

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Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Me seeing the pic: Oh, doordash just dropped the delivery fee…wait, $50??? What the fuck is he ordering in one meal that I could get a weeks worth of groceries???

reads text in topic

Oh, good. For a second I thought he was an idiot…

I said…2 days before the superbowl…knowing what I’m about to spend…

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Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Go to Other and type 0

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dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Even taking away all these delivery services I hate having food delivered as you don’t know how long it’s sat in the car whilst they deliver other orders. The fries are soggy and it’s just not good.

I use those sites to browse the menu then i call the restaurant, which is cheaper, then go and collect it myself.

These services have also ruined fast food. McD although shit is convenient on the commute home It’s just filled with Uber eats and Just eat drivers and really makes it slow now to get food. Then they have these screens to order on so you can’t even get hold of a member of staff to ask for salt cause they’re too cheap to leave it out like they used to.

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Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I still find it crazy thinking that people are rich enough to pay for services like this.

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chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
What is standing in the way of an open alternative to these services? Both customers and workers getting a terrible deal, you’d think anyone would switch to something else at the first opportunity

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