Google asking me for €13 a month? Their empire is built upon selling user data. Fuckers should be paying us.
Not enough people buying Premium, eh?
Submitted 4 months ago by bleistift2@sopuli.xyz to mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
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daggermoon@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
And if you’re a content creator, you can opt in to allow your content to be used by AI… Without compensation. 🤡
toynbee@lemmy.world 4 months ago
At least that’s opt-in, unlike them using your Wi-Fi SSID to fine tune their location settings. Not only was that opt-out but you had to change your router settings (either change your SSID, which isn’t hard but shouldn’t be required, or hide your network, which alienated guests when mobile data wasn’t so ever present). I don’t even know if there’s still a (simple) way out.
But yes. The option you describe is clearly ridiculous.
bokherif@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I was happy to pay for youtube as a service until they broke the shit out of their algorithms and started shoving ads to my face in premium. Did a chargeback and got my money back. Fuck these monkeys.
Scrollone@feddit.it 4 months ago
Search is also completely broken on YouTube. It’s become useless.
Iceman@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Search for a video using the exact title? Sorry, no match. Here is 5 videos that are loosley related to a word in your search, before the completely unrelated algorithm feed begins.
Use the exact video title in quotation marks? Best i can do is two videos of the five i already showed you…
I’m frankly offended by he shittiness of youtube search.
SuperSaiyanSwag@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
I get hit by dumb influencers before actually seeing what I was looking for.
i_am_tired_boss@lemmy.world 4 months ago
That’s a nice way to lose access to all Google products, including your email account.
bokherif@lemmy.world 4 months ago
So far so good. The fuckers at youtube support acknowledged serving ads to me even with my premium membership, so they can suck a big fat dick.
Voyajer@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Assuming they use Gmail in the first place
Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I got the 2 month free trial recently and have yet to see an ad with it. Don’t plan on continuing the service if I do see one.
bokherif@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Watch out for the “video suggestions” in your home feed with the title “introducing ….” These are product placements they make even with the premium subscription. I HATE ads so I pulled the plug.
SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
I don’t care that enhanced Bitrate is premium only. I do care that you still need to click “advanced resolution settings” to access this even for premium users on mobile.
skizzles@lemmy.world 4 months ago
[deleted]smeenz@lemmy.nz 4 months ago
The speed at which you are connected to the internet via your ISP is only part of the path to youtube’s content servers. You could easily have a fast connection to an ISP with a congested uplink, you could be located a long way from the nearest google CDN, or that CDN could be overloaded.
riodoro1@lemmy.world 4 months ago
„I don’t want to watch ads and I want everything to be free.”
My brother in christ, this is not how services work.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
It wouldn’t be so bad if the ads were reasonably placed.
Don’t target people who come in from another domain or on the first viewed video. Pre- roll ads after that. Most importantly, ad breaks at creator-defined times only. Sick of ads coming in at arbitrary times in the middle of a sentence. That’s the worst part of it, IMO.
Dicska@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I was fine with it back when it was just one ad that you could skip. I was fine with it back when it was just two ads that you could skip. I was fine with it back when it was just two ads, and you could skip one, and the other was 5 seconds long. 10 was a stretch, but I’m patient. Without an adblocker, now it’s playing an unskippable, 10+ seconds long ad at the start AND at the end. Some ads are as long as 20 seconds. If the video is long enough, it dares to abruptly play an ad right in the middle. You can’t skip that one, either. We’re back to television content-to-ad ratios - the exact thing I was happy to dump once there was enough content on YouTube. I was patient. That wasn’t enough for them. They can suck a beehive.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
I can be patient if the content is >10min long.
If I need to watch an ad for every 2-5min video of streamer clips I’d go balistic as that are even more ads than the broadcast tv nonsense.Kyatto@leminal.space 4 months ago
We’re back to television content-to-ad ratios
I hate ads too but we’re not here yet. When I stopped watching tv it was like 30% and I am sure it got worse the decade after I quit while it was still relevant.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Free-at-point-of-service is a common feature in countries with socialist economies.
But they only work when the economy is actively managed. If you’re just pumping cash into a big banking machine and telling people to grab for it, you’re not incentivizing any particular economic activity. You’re just encouraging entrepreneurs to get particularly good at snatching money out of the air and elbowing one another in the face.
meowMix2525@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Line must go up
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
Well companies do need to make money, yeah
x00z@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I don’t mind paying. Except if it’s evilcorp. Which it is.
bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 4 months ago
According to Google, YouTube had made US$15.1 billion in ad revenue in 2019, […] nearly 10% of the total Alphabet revenue
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube#Finances quoting abc.xyz/…/2019Q4_alphabet_earnings_release.pdf?ca…
Iceman@lemmy.world 4 months ago
But have you considered how clever you look if you simp for the bourgeoisie?
T00l_shed@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It would be fine if there were so many ads
Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Lol, yep that’s how it works in tha GAFAM ecosystem because YOU ARE THE PRODUCT. So I’m not giving a dime to google but I’m hapoy to support creators directly.
zephorah@lemm.ee 4 months ago
People can’t afford yet another monthly bill.
It’s like walking in Trador Joes for snacks. Oh, hey, this is only $3! And look, this is only $5! Get to checkout: $130 please.
Seriously, that’s how this nickel and dime subscription crap works.
SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
More like $126, if you know what I mean
fox2263@lemmy.world 4 months ago
They finally shut off my premium account in Argentina for $3 and now I’ve been blasted with ads so much it’s unbearable. Like 3 ads every 3 mins pretty much.
Maybe I can try again in another country but will I’m pretty sure they’re wise to it and demand a card used be of the same country too.
It’s fine on my of but on the tvs where I mostly consume it’s hell on earth!
God damn YouTube. Why do we like it so much.
Cnor_Siwas@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Roopappy@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It’s a great product. It is thanklessly maintained by a single developer who is constantly fighting Youtube changes to break it. If you do use it and like it, and you can afford it, please consider a few bucks a month via patreon to keep it alive.
PixellatedDave@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I am seriously thinking of cobbling together a cheap pc just to plug into my TV to watch things like YouTube without the ads.
fox2263@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I know right. I have Apple TV because it’s awesome and doesn’t have Ads everywhere like Google and fire tv.
I’m thinking an android tablet with revanced or similar and casting to the tv…
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Like 3 ads every 3 mins pretty much.
It’s crazy on both ends of the pipeline. Like, if I’m an advertiser, I want my content to be relatively exclusive. I don’t want to be the twelfth ad you see in an hour. If I’m a consumer, I want a continuous uninterrupted stream of media. I don’t want a service that repeatedly cuts out, spams me with some volume-adjusted bullshit, and then cuts back in again seemingly at random.
fox2263@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Yeah I honestly don’t mind a short ad in between videos like the old days. But this shit right now is horrible, forcing people on to premium. YouTube don’t care about the creators they just want subs.
Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
You can usually pay a radom guy in any latin American country who makes a business sharing family accounts for netflix etc. or just get ublock origin.
Gluca23@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Try Invidious
fox2263@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I’ve heard there’s too many issues and they have to keep one step ahead of YouTube all the time and it’s getting difficult. Plus, can’t use that on TV
madcaesar@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Any good instances? All I’ve tried are dead
olafurp@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It’s the world’s medium length video platform. If there’s an indie creator that’s good he’s there. Of course we like the whole world’s content that’s fed to us by an incredibly sophisticated algorithm.
PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 4 months ago
This has been a thing for a while now, hasn’t it? I remember trying to watch the Noseferatu trailer a few months ago and seeing how shit it looked. Tried to up the quality only to see that it was paywalled
tal@lemmy.today 4 months ago
trailer
I mean, that’s an advertisement. I feel like if you’re going to watch an ad, that the company trying to sell the product should find a way to have the ad in high resolution themselves.
wander1236@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
At least according to YouTube, the enhanced bitrate option is higher than 1080p normal has ever been
lemmylommy@lemmy.world 4 months ago
But what about the new normal 1080p? Has it been reduced?
bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 4 months ago
I’ve just seen it for the first time now. Might be because I’m situated in Europe? Or because I mostly don’t give a damn about the pixel count.
PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Possibly, I don’t think its on every video
krimson@lemmy.world 4 months ago
uBlock Origin 🥳
toynbee@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I see this recommendation all the time. It frustrates me. I’m in favor of blocking ads and modding clients and whatever it takes to optimize one’s experience, but the majority - by far - of my YouTube experience takes place on my TV. I can’t do much to control it (pihole and other DNS solutions don’t work on YouTube since their ads are hosted in the same servers as their videos).
I could perform various modifications to the operating system of my TV, and trust me it’s tempting for a lot of reasons, but it was a very expensive (by my standards) TV so I want to at least wait until the warranty expires until I start experimenting.
I could also use something hooked up to my TV and mod that, which is my favorite idea, but my wife likes the interface as it is. It’s an LGTV with the … Sigh … “Magic” remote, which I absolutely hate, but I don’t want to take it away from her. It seems like that interface, especially the “magic” cursor, would be hard to replicate. I’d prefer not to go through the tedium of having two different systems.
Especially because we also have a console hooked up and no solution I’ve found so far has provided a simple way of switching between HDMI sources without running a disgusting number of cables. I did recently order a new receiver, so hopefully that helps with the multiple origins issue.
Obviously this is very much a a first world problem, and I apologize for my privilege, I just wanted to point out that uBO (or other software based solutions) aren’t always the solution.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
If your wife wants her familiar interface with ads, then she made the choice that you’re watching ads on YouTube on your TV.
frank@sopuli.xyz 4 months ago
I totally get that, I have a few suggestions since I’ve been in the same situation for years and have recently improved it.
Our Yamaha stereo takes many HDMI inputs, and has a single TV output, so the TV never needs to change inputs. It’s quite easy and quick on the Yamaha.
I bought a Raspberry Pi 500 for ~$100 US and am loving it. I think it could use a speed upgrade (I hear the SD card will do it). Of course it’s mouse and keyboard, but we only use it for Netflix, YouTube, etc, so it was easy to make shortcuts and get a small/nice living room keyboard/mouse combo.
It’s led to zero ads, and the household discussion was like “would you trade some ease of use to not see this stupid ad?” And we both agreed that it’s worth it. So far it’s been really nice.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Thanks for bringing this up, because it frustrates me as well. Most of the time I’m watching on a TV, and there’s no way to block YT ads on a TV. The people I share my house with aren’t technical and will watch YouTube even with ads. So to keep them out of my house I pay for YT premium.
Suggesting that people just do something technical and janky to block ads isn’t a solution for me, not because I can’t do it, but because there’s no way my family will do it.
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
LG AI Voice Remote?! That’s a huge no from me dawg hahaha
All of my screens just have computers hooked up to them, controlled by wireless keyboards with built-in touchpads. Adblocking on everything!
Mad_Punda@feddit.org 4 months ago
I recently set up dev mode on my LG TV and installed a patched version of YouTube with ad block and sponsor block. I don’t think this voids warranty.
If there’s interest I could look up the instructions I used (I’m traveling right now).
velxundussa@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Even if you have a device connected to your TV to block ads when you’re using Youtube, nothing prevents her from using the TV OS when she does.
Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 4 months ago
You’re me but elsewhere it seems.
I don’t have a solution either unfortunately
scaramobo@lemmynsfw.com 4 months ago
Yes, certainly, fuck their ads; but that wont restore the degraded resolution now will it.
MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
That actually makes more sense to me compared to most premium features. Higher quality directly costs more money to stream.
Venator@lemmy.nz 4 months ago
Even with premium they will send lower quality if they think they can get away with it, I have to change the quality on every video that plays on my tablet now…
MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
I haven’t noticed any issues on Firefox, can also use an add-on to force specific quality.
moon@lemmy.cafe 4 months ago
They’re especially greedy when you consider they are not only the most profitable of all their competitors (Netflix/Disney Plus/Hulu/etc), but that they’re unique in that they’re the only one who doesn’t fund creating any content at all.
At least the other companies put tons of money producing content alongside their other stuff. YouTube just lets others do that for them and then takes all the profit.
So how does YouTube really justify their costs for premium with zero production costs and the largest profit margin?
tweeks@feddit.nl 4 months ago
Most other companies can be selective in what they host / stream. YouTube will host/stream anything users upload and that’s actually quite insane. Current statistics say that YouTubers upload 30.000 hours of video… per hour.
Aside from the streaming/processing, only the disk space that would need is already frightening. Most of those videos will never be seen, and no ads will be played on them. The setup needed for this is massively more impressive to me than services like Netflix.
Do you perhaps have a source for those profit margins? I really wonder if they’re already running break even.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 4 months ago
From a technical perspective, I wonder what they do with those seldom viewed videos. Do they get stored somewhere in slower, deep storage, only to be eventually transferred out and cached when they’re actively receiving views? I imagine you wouldn’t want to waste faster, more expensive storage on something that’ll likely rarely be retrieved.
umbraroze@lemmy.world 4 months ago
YouTube already randomly drops me to 360p on my big-ass broadband sometimes because it just feels like it. What are the guarantees YouTube Premium won’t do that? ANSWER ME YOUTUBE, THIS IS CRUCIAL PRE-PURCHASE INFORMATION.
bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 4 months ago
If your internet is flaky, there’s nothing YouTube can do about it. The alternative would be waiting for the video to buffer at 1080p.
flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 4 months ago
As with most things in the modern world that have gone to shit. It is not the monetization scheme in of itself that is the issue. It is the never ending desire for more profit this quarter than last forever.
If it was acceptable to stop trying to make even more once the cost to operate is covered and some healthy profit is made predictably then a lot less people would have issues. And enshitification would slow down.
lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 4 months ago
13 per month. That’s over 100 per year. Did not expect it to be that expensive.
kevincox@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
The worst part is that this doesn’t seem to be some sort of better quality. All of the other qualities seem to have tanked in the past year, so at best this just restores the previous 1080p bitrate.
NotAnArdvark@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
YouTube premium is one of the subscriptions I most often feel thankful for having. I watch enough YouTube videos that avoiding all those ads is really worthwhile, I hope that my view is worth more to the channels I watch, and YouTube music let me cancel Spotify.
I understand being pissed at YouTube and Google, but at the end of the day, of all the things I have to rage at, YouTube isn’t worth it. I like it, there are creators that use it that I like, and I understand that it costs real money to run the platform.
synapse1278@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The 1080p non-premium looks like shit, not better than 720p. I think they reduced the Bitrate a lot and premium restors the original Bitrate.
subiacOSB@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
I was paying for it until it got to like $16.99 on iOS. As much of an annoyance to use a work around like AD Guard. I can now afford it but refuse to give those greedy mofos a dime.
ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world 4 months ago
wow, premium in the usa is expensive. it’s a little under $3 per month here in india for the family plan and even that’s after a recent 16% hike. the individual plan is even cheaper.
i guess these rates are in store for us as well in the future?
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 4 months ago
Is that why I am getting about one ad for every 90 seconds of video ?
jg1i@lemmy.world 4 months ago
More than you think, actually. My wife recently signed up. I’m like, Babe! I already have uBlock Origin to block ads on desktop! On mobile, Firefox also blocks ads and allows listening to videos with the screen off. 😫
But, we still get ads on our smart LG TV. So. That’s apparently enough to throw the money away.
Rooty@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Browbeating people into buying services continues to be unpopular, film at 11.
rocky1138@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
I pay for premium but would love to use peertube instead since it’s decentralized. It would be great to have all the people I sub to upload there as well then I’d bail.
HoneyMustardGas@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I never noticed a quality difference on my phone due to the small screen, even 1080p to 720p wasn’t bad on my 4k TV. Also, when did they change the free trial from three months to one?
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
I can do all of them already without premium.
DontMakeMoreBabies@lemm.ee 4 months ago
I can’t believe people still even use YouTube when shit like this is happening. Paywalling resolution? Get fukt.
friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 4 months ago
“Enhanced” bitrate? I’ve heard of high bitrates, and I’ve heard of low bit rates, but I ain’t never heard of no enhanced bitrates. Does Google know something we don’t, or do they think we’re suckers. (Rhetorical question, don’t answer.)
whoisearth@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
I paid for premium recently which helps a bit except now the problem is a lot of the content I watch ppl are doing sponsored segments which I get but at the same time fuck off.
lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 4 months ago
Friendly reminder: If you know how to use Docker, you can self host Invidious on your PC and have an experience better tgan YouTube for free.
dreikelvin@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I’d try it if they finally offered us a one year subscription period here in europe. they don’t. their loss 🤷♂️
Danitos@reddthat.com 4 months ago
Don’t assume Google et al. will ever consider enough people buy their subscription. There’s never enough money for these people.
kautau@lemmy.world 4 months ago
A company isn’t successful in hyper capitalism unless they are accelerating the growth of their profits every year. They have to sell more products to existing users, acquire new paid users, charge more for their existing products, or they’re considered unsuccessful. The model literally assumes a constant infinite exponential growth of the human race where success can only be achieved if every human alive is paying for every product offering possible, buying every upsell and microtransaction, freely giving their data to be sold so that more useless products can be created at minimum cost and sold at maximum price. But also hyper capitalism lobbies for less benefits, lower pay, etc. It inevitably collapses into neo-feudalism or just slavery
okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Cancer. Capitalism models cancer.