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Het Pijnstillersparadijs: Europese Zelfbeheersing vs. Amerikaanse Pillenfeest

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  • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Europeans be like: “I’m just gonna take a half tablet, don’t want to get dependent on this stuff”

    Meanwhile Americans: “inject it right into my bloodstream”

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    • Vinny_93@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ngl I ibuprofen does kinda taste good

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      • BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Don’t be fooled, they put a sugar coating around the OTC stuff

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      • remer@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The coating on advil is sweetened. The actual medicine tastes horrible.

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      • 0ops@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Tastes like old rubber band to me

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      • AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I dunno. When i take the pill ibruprofen its the most sour thing ever. You can literally see the face muscles of someone taking it contracting.

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      • SARGE@startrek.website ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I wonder if this is also one of those genetic things like cilantro, because ibuprofen tastes nasty as fuck to me. Like “bitter and my tongue wants to cut itself off to stop the taste even after a drink” nasty.

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  • driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Europeans: I’m taking a pill, if it keeps hurting I’m going to the doctor.

    Americans: I’m keeping taking this until I pay the house. It is still hurting, I can refinance the house to see a doctor.

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    • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Really not much exaggeration here

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      • GiddyGap@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Exaggerated, sure. The point still stands. Unfortunately.

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    • mouserat@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Also at least in my country I can call in sick if I have a headache, will be paid for the day and there is no number of paid-time-off-days, which will be subtracted by one when I do so. The employer continues to pay up to 6 weeks of salary if you need to stay at home due to sickness, and for a period longer than 3 days you need a dr to confirm you’re sick. The number of sick days per year depend on you actually being sick - I was baffled when I learned this is a fixed number in the US (at least for some) . I guess the motivation to work sick when you have a limited number of paid sick days also contributes to the usage of pain killers.

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  • blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “Lol Americans are so funny, they can’t go to a doctor without going homeless, look at these coping mechanisms they use, hilarious”

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    • lud@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, it’s pretty funny considering how absurd it is.

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    • Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It is funny since they keep voting in ways that make their healthcare worse instead of better so why should we feel pity?

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      • MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s not all of us ☹️

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      • ReplicantBatty@lemmy.one ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’ve consistently voted towards better healthcare options, for all the good it’s ever done (read: not even a little bit.)

        There are dozens of us, dozens!

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    • Klear@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Calm down liberals its something called “dork humor” 😎

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    • lulztard@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Still better off than the people in the countries you coup to install dictators.

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      • blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I coup?

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    • phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And they got their propaganda machines to thank for it.

      Namely fox news, Aon, shit like joe Rogan,etc…

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  • Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Americans just tell you it’s a slight headache. In reality their back is so screwed up it’s going to require surgery but they can’t afford that and complaining about actual pain is strictly forbidden in American men.

    So we take 200 400 800 1600 Motrin, with some bourbon, and ignore it as best as we can.

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    • uranibaba@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s really sad.

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      • Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yup, I know.

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    • JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is my mother for the last year or so because of rotoscoliosis and a bulging disc.

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      • Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’m so sorry. We really need universal healthcare.

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      • uis@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Would flying to Europe and getting healthcare there be cheaper? Look into it.

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      • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The good thing about the HDHPs is the availability to have an HSA.

        HSA money is collected pre-tax. Balances over a certain amount can be invested. But the good thing about it is that it’s yours to keep. Not like an FSA that disappears at the end of a year.

        So she could save up for the deductible for her surgery for her debilitating chronic pain over the course of several years. After she pays thousands in premiums and her employer pays thousands more. Like a good American.

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    • Zess@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      But they’ll only recommend the surgery after trying muscle relaxers ten times over the course of a year.

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  • Eric_Pollock@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Is this a serious thing? It seems so normal here in the states.

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    • kayaven@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes, it’s a thing. The idea behind it is that you don’t want to become dependent on the pills to the point that they have less effect or that you feel worse without them. Sincerely, a Dutch non-techno non-DJ.

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      • tja@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Also it can cause or amplify a lot of stomach issues

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      • hannesh93@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Also often the pain is telling you that something is wrong - you wouldn’t treat a broken ankle with strong painkillers and continue walking as if nothing was wrong just because it doesn’t hurt anymore - would you?

        Painkillers should make the pain bearable so you can still listen to your body and not take away the pain completely

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      • Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I have never heard of this in the context of ibuprofen. I know it’s bad on the stomach which means you shouldn’t take it for long periods of time (unless prescribed by a doctor). However, when the source of the pain disappears it’s pretty easy to kick the habit. Very different from opioids that are addictive beyond their painkilling ability.

        Also between European countries the price of otc painkillers differs tremendously, and my impression is that European pharmacies generally only sell small packages in an effort to maximise profits.

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      • ickplant@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You can’t become dependent on ibuprofen, it’s not addictive. You shouldn’t be popping it like candy, but taking it when you are in pain is perfectly fine.

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      • mst@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        en.wikipedia.org/…/Medication_overuse_headache?wp…

        You can absolutely become addicted to all kinds of painkillers. Thats part of the reason why i write down every dose of painkillers i take. Not just the triptanes for my migraine.

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      • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I don’t think that actually happens.

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      • JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Do people develop a dependency on ibuprofen? I didn’t know that was possible.

        Then again, I don’t see why it wouldn’t be.

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    • bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      To be fair we also have it much easier with our healthcare that doesn’t know the concept of sick-days. When you’re sick you just don’t go to work and your healthcare pays half your salary while your employer continues paying the other half.

      So we can actually afford to stay home in bed and let our bodies do the work while we rest.

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      • GiddyGap@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Screw your sick days! I’m gonna work myself into oblivion to be able to buy my big-ass coal-roller truck on credit and fill up my garage to the brim with crap that I’ll let someone else move when I die from a cheese and Ibuprofen overdose. 'Murica!!!

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    • gerryflap@feddit.nl ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m Dutch and I only take paracetamol when I cannot sleep or function due to pain/illness. I’ve never taken something stronger like Ibuprofen in my life. When I’m ill I usually just lie in bed and wait for it to blow over

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      • ccunning@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Is acetaminophen really considered to be stronger than ibuprofen? I’d always considered them to be equal with ibuprofen being safer.

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      • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You’re the second person I’ve seen saying that ibuprofen is stronger than paracetamol. Where does that come from?

        It is slightly stronger, but the dose is smaller. A single dose of router either is roughy the same pain reduction, and similar damage for long-term use.

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    • FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ibuprofen is pretty fucking strong. I stick with CBD and paracetamol and I’m bedridden with a painful disease.

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      • Donkter@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yeah I just stick to hot railing fentanyl if I have a headache or something. Much less addictive.

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      • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Ibuprofen and paracetamol are roughly the same in theme of pain relief and harm in long-term use.

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    • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The European mind cannot comprehend this.

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    • teije9@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      yes. Pain killers (if you take way too many) can be incredibly bad for your liver, and (while almost impossible with paracetamol and ibuprofen) you can become ‘immune’ to them, making them work less/not at all.

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    • Berttheduck@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, in the UK they reduced the amount you can buy at once too, so drugs like paracetamol and ibuprofen only come in 16 tablet packs and you can only buy 2 packs at a shop., It’s helped lower suicides quite well.

      People here have a real aversion to taking tablets a lot of the time. I have to convince people to take regular paracetamol (which is non addictive and doesn’t have side effects so long as you don’t take more than the recommended amount) after they have had surgery semi-regularly.

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    • pseudo@jlai.lu ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ibuprofen is famous for making men less fertil and it can cause sterility to the unborn baby when took by pregnant women. Paracetamol on the other hand is very bad for the liver. Better took these two very carefully.

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    • elidoz@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I just don’t think it’s agood idea to take pills without asking a doctor, I’m not a medical professional

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    • SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      In the UK you’re limited to 32 pills of paracetamol(acetaminophen in NA) per purchase. Less if they’re high dose.

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  • hannesh93@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    My girlfriend always makes fun that in Germany chamomile tea is the go to painkiller and only if that doesn’t help the pills come out. It was one of her strongest culture-shocks she didn’t anticipate before coming to Europe

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    • SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The pain of drinking chamomile tea does have a masking effect.

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    • lepinkainen@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Germans are weird like that

      The rest of us are normal and will take a painkiller

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      • pseudo@jlai.lu ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        French here and I’m team Germany on that one. The right herbal tea will ease most of the pain. Camomille is perfect for inflammation, verbena for digestation and so one.

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    • freebee@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They’ll only have the “medicinal” tea if even more Lüften didn’t do the trick

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    • And009@reddthat.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t know what’s Europe anymore… Isn’t germany in it?

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  • exu@feditown.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s always amusing how you can read Dutch with some difficulty by combining German and English.

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    • blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You can read German with little difficulty by combining actual English with phonetic English.

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      • abbadon420@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You can read Bayerish by combining German with a pitcher of lager.

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  • synapse1278@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Don’t know about Ibuprofen, but Paracetamol overdose is horrible, agonizing death.

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    • JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Overdosing on Ibuprofen is harder and less deadly iirc but it can really mess up your stomach and/or damage your kidneys.

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      • Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        ODing on ibuprofen is terrifying

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  • stoy@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I had a tooth surgically removed a few years back, took 90 min, and I got strong paracetamol and even a small pack of morphine.

    I never used the morphine, I keep it sealed at home if I need it.

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    • themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s probably expired.

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      • stoy@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Oh absolutely, that doesn’t mean it won’t work though, probably less effective though…

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  • JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Fun fact for Europeans: we call paracetamol acetaminophen

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    • uis@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      …but it is amid, not amin, no? Why do you call it acetaminophen instead of acetamidophen?

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      • JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yes it’s a mid that’s my bad

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  • bruhduh@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Americans be like

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    • Sculptor9157@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The pills will ease the Payne.

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  • TheBluePillock@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m kinda in this meme. I went through one of those big bottles roughly every 1-2 months for 20 years. Sometimes 12 pills in one day, with 4-8 acetaminophen on top (they do giant double packs of those too). Chronic migraines, but every doctor I asked for help just told me to lose weight so it went untreated and got worse and worse. Our health care suuuucks.

    I did lose the weight. It didn’t magically fix my migraines, or affect them at all. Insurance dicked me around for another year and a half while my neurologist tried to help every way she could, but we finally got it down to only one migraine a week. I’m truly glad for that, but I still think about the years of unnecessary suffering, and how much better it might be now if I’d been treated sooner.

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    • Mrs_deWinter@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You know what sucks as well? Taking too many painkillers against headaches actually causes headaches. Horrible ones at that. Glad to read that you’re feeling better, but that’s a real trap many people out there are stuck in.

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      • TheBluePillock@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yup, it was the first thing we checked when I actually got treatment. I’m sure that didn’t help, but compared to the pain of the migraines it was negligible. Having to refrain from pain meds for a while to make sure was a hell of a ride though. I lasted about three months. The doctor was satisfied with 1-2 but I wanted to be damn sure.

        I give people the same warning nowadays. Don’t take that stuff more than once a week.

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  • qyron@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If those bottles are sold as a pair and each has 500 pills, 1000 pills is more than a hospital grade package in my country.

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  • untorquer@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Is it common for ibuprofen to not really help? With physical pain it does nothing for me. It kind of helps with head aches sometimes. I use it maybe a couple times a year, so it’s not tolerance.

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  • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Honestly I think the Americans have it right, here.

    You end up taking fewer painkillers of you start taking them early and get ahead of the pain. If you wait until the pain is already severe, you end up taking more.

    Idk why this happens, it’s info I got from a nurse, and intuitively it feels right.

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  • doingthestuff@lemy.lol ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I guess I’m Americaning wrong. As far as painkillers go, 've only taken one ibuprofen in the last year. I even had a severe gut pain event where they prescribed me some oxy but I never took anything.

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  • serenissi@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I honestly don’t understand the Dutch techno reference.

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  • AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Also Australians (where the most economical package of paracetamol/acetaminophen is 200 pills for A$4).

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  • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Hi. American here with atypical trigeminal neuralgia.

    I don’t even bother with analgesics for anything at this point. You hit 10 on the pain scale enough times and anything below 6 you mostly shrug off.

    Unless I stub my toe. That shit hurts like a motherfucker.

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  • PugJesus@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Two 500mg tablets of acetaminophen please, thank you

    -A Certified American

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  • ramble81@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    200 mg? I know people over here that will pop a pair of 800 mg tablets.

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  • whome@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I agree with the sentiment but are 200mg common where you live? Here in Germany I always get 400mg packs.

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  • PlaidBaron@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ibuprofen is for my migraines only. Nothing else touches those damn things.

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  • iii@mander.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    2 for 1

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  • hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    People actually do that? I only take a few painkillers when I’m on my period.

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  • Mwallerby@startrek.website ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    In the UK you can’t even buy that many at once 😆 without a prescription at least - paracetamol and ibuprofen are usually 16 per pack and they don’t let you buy more than one of each

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  • Sam_Bass@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    i had to take 3.2g of ibuprofen for years before i got my gout under control. then like magic, naproxen actually starting working for me. now its just 600mg of that for the same effect

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