How do Americans win their country back?

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I highly doubt the left will do anything uncivil. How can they win back the country? Is it too late?

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jeena@piefed.jeena.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Democracy is just the tyranny of the majority.

I think that most of the Americans want this, even if people on the outside do not understand. So in that sense they are right now winning back their country, as confusing as it might sound.

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- Deadlytosty@feddit.nl ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Normally in Democracy the majority or popular vote wins, however due to the electoral college America has, it doesnt necessarily mean the majority voted for the winner. This was the case for Bush, and some other moments in the past.
  
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  - rglullis@communick.news ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    FYI: it looks like Trump is going to win the popular vote on this one as well.
    
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  - azertyfun@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Whether it’s 48 or 52 % is an immaterial difference. Every other American who voted, voted for Trump. The rest don’t seem to care either way. He has very broad popular assent and is as popular as Harris give or take a margin of error.
    
    Everyone is lasered-focused on the EC because it makes all the difference for the practicalities, but if one is to make a broad judgement of whether Trump won fair and square the answer is “yeah, mostly”. Further proof is the fact that the House is probably going to be his as well.
    
    Americans now bear the collective responsibility for the horrors of the next 4(+?) years. Do not make the mistake of blaming the popular will of outright fascism on institutional failures, because institutions didn’t force half of Americans to vote for the fascist, again.
    
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  - Fosheze@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Trump is winning the popular vote by a pretty decent margin. The electoral college isn’t the issue here.
    
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  - Omgboom@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    But Trump won the popular vote this time
    
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  - DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I believe the states responsible for those silly outcomes have since passed laws to prevent it happening again.
    
    Could be wrong, but I listened to a podcast last week with an American professor who’s pretty much written the book, explaining the history of the Electoral College and how it really works. I’m sure he said those states since fixed those loopholes.
    
    Either way, the damage is done today. Another four years of stupidity in charge.
    
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  - PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    u̇nfoṙtcėnetlı, H ſımz t bı ƿinıŋ ð pȯpyulṙ vot æz ƿel.
    
    spoiler
    Unfortunately, he seems to be winning the popular vote as well.
    
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- halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  I think that most of the Americans want this
  
  Maybe, but none of the facts directly support this.
  
  There have been large campaigns to disenfranchise several types of voters for decades in the country. The Electoral College was designed to be unfair to appease Slave states. Voter turnout is abysmal, only about 35% of eligible citizens vote. Out of those turnout is usually around the same percentage. The highest turnout recently was 2020 only because mail in voting was expanded so dramatically, and even then it was only 67% of registered voters, so it was still only 67% of that original 37% of eligible voters. So with the highest recent turnout, we’re looking at about 25% of eligible citizens actually voting.
  
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  - maxwellfire@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I believe that the 67% number for the 2020 election is of eligible voters and not registered voters. While turnout is low, it’s not 25% low.
    
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  - where_am_i@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Dafuk are you talking about? Voter turnout is 67% of all eligible voters. It’s highest since it’s ever been. And Trump won the popular vote. At least look at the facts instead of crying “stolen election”.
    
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- Varyk@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  No, there is a concerted effort by conservatives to use voter suppression to subvert the will of the majority in the US.
  
  conservatives are clawing back the country right now by hook and by crook.
  
  can’t go on forever, but I don’t know which is going to last longer: the country or the aging frightened conservatives willing to subvert democracy to hang on to control.
  
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  - where_am_i@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Trump wins the popular vote and lemmy is still in denial.
    
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  - Seleni@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Isn’t just the aging ones sadly. Lots of young people, especially young men, went for Trump. Andrew Tate has taught them well.
    
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- GrammarPolice@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  That’s what the Germans thought in 1933
  
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- C126@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  vote against this and save us all from this idiocy.
  
  Nope. There was just more people lined up to vote for more idiocy. We failed the world. I’d say I’m sorry, but I don’t think that’ll help. This is America.
  
  America needs to focus on decentralizing power. That way, when the other side wins, they can’t do much damage. Biggest problem America faces is too much centralized control.
  
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- illi@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Democracy really is the worst form of government, just not as bad as all the others…
  
  Unfortunately in such polarized times like now, even though majority wants this, the ammount of people for which this is unacceptable is only slightly less than “the majority”. And besides, I believe a big part of “the majority” is just gullible enough to be persuaded they want this while it actually goes against their interests
  
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  - where_am_i@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    And if the other candidate won, the other half would’ve been in the same state of “this is unacceptable”. Solutions?
    
    Cuz lemmy seems to think if their party wins it’s all good and if the other wins it’s the end of the world. While in reality it seems there’s a 50-50 split with each side equally hating the other.
    
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  - Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Something can not be the worst and just not as bad as the others.
    
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paddirn@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
As an American, I expected most Americans to be at least semi-rational and to recognize what a threat to democracy and our way of life that Trump is. I expected most Republicans to just vote for him out of reflex, but otherwise the rest of America would rise up in our hour of need to vote against this and save us all from this idiocy.

Nope. There was just more people lined up to vote for more idiocy. We failed the world. I’d say I’m sorry, but I don’t think that’ll help. This is America.

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- Illogicalbit@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Agree, and sadly he won the popular vote too (so far). It’s really bleak how many people don’t vote at all.
  
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- MataVatnik@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  They all voted with their wallets. It’s really simple. That’s how these people are able to come into power.
  
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  - troglodytis@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Except Trump isn’t here to help their wallets.
    
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- Mostly_Gristle@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  The frustrating thing is that Trump didn’t even get more votes this election than he did last election. There wasn’t a bunch of new Trump voters that came out of the woodwork and turned the tide. He was absolutely beatable. He only won because 15 million of the people who voted for Biden last election just didn’t bother this time.
  
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  - PriorityMotif@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    A lot of progressive people also moved out of red states after all of the different nonsense happening in them. We won’t know until the 2030 census if they actually do that accurately unlike the 2020 census.
    
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  - paddirn@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Democratic voters just aren’t dependable, or the causes that Democrats tend to champion don’t provide them any benefits. Yes, it’s often the right thing to do to champion their rights or causes, but when the time comes and their help is needed, they’re seemingly nowhere to be found because things apparently weren’t interesting enough.
    
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Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
By finally doing what it clearly wants to do, splitting in multiple countries so red States can finally become third world countries like they so want to be.

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- CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  It’s funny that the last time this was floated by Republicans, they thought they were kicking the Democrat states out.
  
  In other words, they thought they were keeping the Federal government.
  
  Republican states need Democrat states far more than vice versa.
  
  If Trump truly does win, Republicans won’t split the country. They’ll make it even more impossible to leave.
  
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  - Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I mean, no matter who gets kicked out by who, there would be at least one federal government.
    
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- edgemaster72@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  So where do you think the lines would get drawn? West Coast and New England + New York are the obvious ones to do their own thing. Pennsylvania cuts off the DMV area from New York/New England, unless we go on a county level and excise just the area around Philly to keep the whole northeast Atlantic together.
  
  Is Chicago just left as an island in the Midwest? The red staters certainly won’t want it, and without it Illinois basically is a red state. RIP to the other midwest and southern cities too.
  
  Colorado and New Mexico together would be quite fucked being landlocked in a sea of red otherwise.
  
  Congratulations to Hawaii on its regained independence I guess. Alaska would probably be offered up to Putin as a thank you gift from Trump.
  
  Do you think all the red states stay together as a single entity? Texas is an obvious candidate to decide to fuck off on its own, possibly Florida as well. But would South Carolina really care all that much to stay tied to Montana, for example, or vice versa?
  
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Strider@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
It is too late for a while now. Try to be safe, even if that means moving.

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- TehBamski@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  And move where?!
  
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  - alleycat@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Pretty dystopic that you post this quote, because it is doctored to include catholics. Niemöller explicitly stated that he never included them in his poem. Source: https://martin-niemoeller-stiftung.de/martin-niemoeller/was-sagte-niemoeller-wirklich
    
    the Communists came first, then the Trade Unionists and then the Socialists and then the Jews. NO ONE ELSE.”
    
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  - Serinus@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Just be grateful if you’re not in one of the first groups. I spoke up as loudly as I could.
    
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  - Strider@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    If I had that answer I would be happy to share.
    
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- gramie@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  The problem is that nowhere is safe now. I’m Canadian, and I wish I had somewhere to go. And just imagine how the poor sods in Palestine, Ukraine, and so many other suffering countries, are feeling right now.
  
  I wouldn’t be surprised if Vladimir Putin’s armies weren’t occupying large swaths of Eastern Europe by the end of this term.
  
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  - TehBamski@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    I wouldn’t be surprised if Vladimir Putin’s armies weren’t occupying large swaths of Eastern Europe by the end of this term.
    
    And Russia will use, what? Tanks from the Cold War?! There have been many reports from professional defense intel groups and countries that report that Russia has been struggling to keep fighting the invasion of Ukraine. They’ve had to resort to asking North Korea to send thousands of troops to fight in Ukraine. With the weapons that the EU, Australia, Britain, and the US have been sending them, Russia is going to have a tremendously difficult time fighting back. Let alone, invading another country.
    
    There’s a theory going around that China might take action and ‘take back’ what they claim to have been their territory from the early 1800s. Either they capture Serbia as a whole, southern Serbia, or a large portion of Eastern Russia. Which might look like the northern point of Lake Baikal to Uda Gulf or the push further and take Taul Bay. The southern part of the Kamchatka peninsula would be advantageous to them. The US and others would have a harder time “controlling” China’s fleet of ships if they had ports and bases up there as well.
    
    I can only hold onto fool’s faith for so long, that the world doesn’t experience another major war.
    
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Myro@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
I think this is going to be the end of the USA as we know it. After this period, democracy will be significantly impacted.

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- Stovetop@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  The western world as a whole should be terrified. There has been a sharp dip towards conservatism that will only accelerate with Trump back at the helm in the US. Brexit didn’t occur in a vacuum.
  
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  - hendrik@palaver.p3x.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Though this isn't about conservatism, is it? Trump doesn't like democracy and half of the things that shaped the USA. I mean there is some overlap but he should be opposed by any sane conservative. I think it's more a dip towards fascism or something else.
    
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ashok36@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
What do you mean? Trump won decisively. Electoral, popular, in the senate, etc…

You’re really asking, “how does a minority continue to exist in the face of a fascist majority?”

The answer is, generally, they don’t.

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- orcrist@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  I think that is an oversimplification. He won the popular vote, but that’s the majority of voters, not the majority of people, right? So we cannot accurately say that the majority is fascist. We can only say that the voting majority is fascist.
  
  And then we need to look at who was conned, and how. Of course people who got conned need to work harder to avoid that in the future. We all agree on that. At the same time, the con artists and the people who enable the con, we also need to identify them and figure out what’s making them successful. If we talk about major newspapers and TV networks failing to cover how bad Trump actually was, or putting Harris on unrealistic pedestal, newspaper owners refusing to allow newspaper editors to endorse a candidate, the way Fox News preys on people who grew up trusting TV news and now have only watched Fox for the last two decades, open lies about who’s eating cats and dogs, a DNC that pushes centrist candidates even after 2016 when the weakness was exposed, and it’s clear that many left-wing voters are wildly unhappy, those are all things that smaller groups have done to help create the situation that we saw yesterday. And that’s just a short list.
  
  So what I hope we can do, is I hope we can avoid saying something trite like, this is what the American people wanted, full stop. If you want to make that a conversation starter, go for it. But it shouldn’t be a dismissive conversation ender, because it ignores what actually happened and What will continue to happen in the future.
  
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  - AndrewZabar@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    He won the popular vote, but that’s the majority of voters, not the majority of people, right?
    
    Right, the rest are just so lazy and consumed by apathy that they could not be bothered to vote when THESE were the stakes. I think we can confidently rule them out for any advocacy for our freedom.
    
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- HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  You forget that he won decisively… with less votes than he got last time
  
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VinesNFluff@pawb.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Honestly at this point y’all should just get the fuck out. Where to? Anywhere honestly. You’ll probably find the third world preferable to a post project 2025 Murica.

Russia’s been having a major brain drain issue as all people with functioning brains either have escaped or want to escape the country. I don’t see why Americans should do any different.

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- prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  FWIW a candidate the left could vote for instead of someone to vote against would help.
  
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  - VinesNFluff@pawb.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    It would.
    
    But I think that ship has sailed.
    
    And honestly it might be the third-worlded-accustomed-to-things-being-uttter-bullshit in me. But I think “Winning back the country” is an unrealistic and foolhardy goal. Everyone who is on the radar for being harmed by Trump should look out for themselves and their own. Which includes “getting the fuck out of the country” if that is what it takes.
    
    Additionally: A significant portion of the country won today. They got exactly what they wanted. And pretending that this neofascism is some kind of external infection is tantamount to covering one’s own ears.
    
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  - Professorozone@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Pretty sure Trump said we wouldn’t have to worry about voting anymore. It would all be taken care of.
    
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- TheKMAP@lemmynsfw.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Eat shit.
  
  This post is about recovery, not abandonment. Letting America fall will have global repercussions. Instructing us to give up is not helpful.
  
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  - VinesNFluff@pawb.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    This post is about recovery, not abandonment
    
    Recovery from what? Fascism is what your own neighbours chose. This is the system working exactly as intended and pretending it’s not is covering one’s own eyes. There are hundreds of millions of Americans for whom this is a good day. And their project is to remove any chance of them ever losing power again.
    
    Thinking you’ll stop something like Project 2025 in the ballot box is willful ignorance at this point.
    
    Since OP has already made it clear that “violent uprising” is not on the cards, then the alternative is to get out while they can. Hopefully while helping others do the same. Save themselves and their own.
    
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  - GhiLA@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I gave up this morning. Sending this dude a dm on NZ. I’m sure they need mechanics.
    
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- Boomkop3@reddthat.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Damn, and europe already has a lot of refugees to deal with :p
  
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  - VinesNFluff@pawb.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    ~~This has actually all been a very elaborate “come to Brazil” meme on my part.~~
    
    ~~Jokes aside, given how a lot of our people tend to worship the floor 'Murica walks on, if a bunch of refugees from the US came over, they’d probably be welcomed with open arms. :P~~
    
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- Zacpod@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Come on up to Canada. We’ve been suffering brain drain for ages, and could sure use some scientists and doctors!
  
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  - alsimoneau@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    PP coming in next year to do the same here though…
    
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- HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  We will take you in NZ.
  
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  - nomous@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    No you won’t, NZ is one of the hardest countries to immigrate to.
    
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- Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  I hear Japan is practically giving houses away…
  
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Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Facism is capitalism in decay. America just proved that the decay is rapid.

Liberal institutions just paved the way for facism to take root.

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- M600@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  I’d like to learn more about
  
  Facism is capitalism in decay.
  
  Is that just a think people say or are their studies or books about this?
  
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  - Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Facism is a reaction to the institutional failures of capitalism brought about by many scholars. Mainly brought about by the working class left behind looking for a change to the system.
    
    Places in history where it happened
    
    italy (1920’s) voters wanted a stronger economy with trains to run on time germany (1920’s) voters wanted a stronger economy without a destabilization of currency
    
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  - TokenBoomer@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Here is an explanation.
    
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card797@champserver.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
America has past the point of no return on education. Anti-intellectualism is the status quo now. It’s only gonna get worse now.

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- x0chi@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  They won’t need it… they got people to think what it’s best for best, what books are good or bad, what values you should have, how you should live. And then they will also have chatgpt and AI that will answer their doubts and even do their work cause they won’t be capable of doing it. I wonder if the AI will get “less smart” because of their clients needs being more basic.
  
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- Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Waves Bible they’ve never read
  
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Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
THIS is the moment where everyone should be creating 3rd party candidates and going to the streets to spread awareness for the next election.

Not 6 months before the election with trump as a possibility. Get out there and promote 3rd party now, when people are pissed at Democrats for throwing it all away from Israel and people are pissed the trump won.

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- finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  IMO third party is not viable unless we change our voting system and people keep voting out the progressive reform party so fat chance.
  
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- Philosofuel@futurology.today ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Do you really think they lost over their stance on Israel/Palestina? Not saying it doesn’t matter. But I feel if you see how many votes republicans got, that a lot of (perceived) domestic issues played a very big role.
  
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- jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  “Next election” is the issue here.
  
  Those playbooks are for democracy. This is different territory now.
  
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- Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  The polls say the economy was the reason, not foreign policy.
  
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- Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  No, 3rd party will always be spoiler at best with the election system we have… Now is the time to figure out who runs the local Dems in your state/county/city/town and take them over… We need to take over the Dems and transition them to the party of the future
  
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MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
The average death age of any empire is 250 years.

Tick tock America. You’re proving that figure to be correct.

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- jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  *proved
  
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Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
This isn’t sides anymore.

Until America wants to be tolerant of more than intolerance, it seems it will vote with it’s penises, wallets, and weapons.

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linearchaos@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
I’m not sure that we do. Not in our lifetimes anyway.

With a functional justice department we’d have a chance. There’s nothing to stop them from tweaking the electoral lines. There’s nothing to stop them from not certifying an election. We’re about to have the scotus filled with young like-minded Republicans. We’re about to have every federal judge biased for them.

Even having both sides of Congress the best thing we could do would be to status quo because every time a veto is overturned the scotus could just stamp it down as unconstitutional.

The president has God King status, he can have opponents jail for executed.

The thing is even if none of these things were in play, The popular vote just voted for a dictatorship. He was utterly and absolutely clear and anyone that says he was joking around doesn’t actually believe that they’re just too embarrass socially to announce that they themselves are racist/fascist/misogynist. There is nothing here to win back. We’re better than 50% rotten to the core and those people aren’t going away.

Even this election wasn’t right versus left it’s right versus more right. If you put a true left candidate in they’re just going to get murdered. (That may or may not be literal)

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ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
It’s been “too late” for 'mericans to “win back the country” for a couple of decades at least. I mean, the entire electoral/voting system needs to be redone from the ground up because it’s very non-democratic.

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Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
They just did. They’ll happily lie in the bed they shat in at first. By the time they realize their mistake, it will be too late.

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Fester@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Hope there will be a legitimate election in 2028, and show up to the fucking primary before it and in 2026.

I think Trump won because of the economy. Yes, he has a rabid base that really does want his fascism, but the voters who pushed him over the edge are ones suffering because inflation and the wealth gap that has just been allowed to increase unimpeded. Those voters don’t want fascism - they’re just dumb AF and don’t pay attention. They just voted for “change.”

These problems will only increase over the next 4 years, so there will be another opportunity defy the status quo in 2028. We had a chance and failed to do in 2016. We came closer in 2020. We didn’t have a real primary in 2024. When we get to 2028, it’s time to fucking do it.

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EnderMB@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Go to your Democratic party and demand change.

Find a candidate that will stand on the basis of free healthcare, equal rights, the right to union, enforcing a higher minimum wage, enforcing paid sick leave and a minimum of 20 days holiday a year, and committing to lowering the cost of living.

Once someone stands up for this, push them to the moon for the next four years. Tell anyone else NOT on this platform to fuck off.

Essentially, America needs a Project 2029.

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lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Biden could do some official acts. But he won’t.

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Willie@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Wait 2 years, and hopefully put people who will mitigate the damage into the positions listed on your ballot. All you can do now as a law abiding citizen is wait.

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inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
There’s nothing to win back, this is America, always has been.

You let it burn.

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DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Realistically? It’s too late.

We now have an ultra-conservative SC for the rest of our lives. The Republican party openly stated and ran on making fundamental changes to our government if they won the House/Senate/Presidency and to “defeat the enemy within”.

It doesn’t even really matter if the suffering that is coming shocks our society into rebounding in 4 years. The locked in SC and fundamental changes to our government will have already been set in place. Government departments will be run by appointees with absolutely no experience. Entire departments could be re-staffed with partisan political appointees if we are to believe the words of some of the people Trump promised to appoint. We have been placed squarely on the path to decline. That decline won’t happen overnight, but in our lifetimes it will become undeniable. We will probably barely recognize this country by the end of our lives.

This election determined the political order we will live under for the rest of our lives.

Buy a gun. Try to find happiness within your immediate sphere. And stay safe, if you can. Very, very few people will come out on top in the scenario we now find ourselves in. Give it a few years and you’ll see. They have total control now, so there’s no one else to blame for the decline that’s essentially guaranteed to become apparent in the near future. But I’m sure if they do fail, immigrants will be at the top of the blame list.

It was a worthy experiment while it lasted.

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Enkrod@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Americans HAVE their country, this is what they want, this is what they voted for. Stop treating Americans as if this is something pressed upon them. They chose this. Now they will live with the consequences.

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hendrik@palaver.p3x.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
They're the political opposition now. They should do what good opposition work includes. Hold the government accountable, force them to deliver results. Make the people pay attention and realize if their bills become less or more expensive. And I'd say re-consider life-choices. And make some fundamental changes. Maybe start a new political party if the Democrats are beyond hope.

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finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Americans have lost. Bestyou can do is try to save NATO.

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scoobford@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
So the way it looks now, Trump has won the presidency, and his allies will have the senate and house of representatives, and they already had the supreme court. The three branches of government will not be working as checks on each other’s power, unless we get very lucky and the various factions that make up the GOP split. This is obviously very, very bad, but there are still some checks on presidential power.

Trump’s last term was a clusterfuck. Things may just be so disorganized that he struggles to actually get what he wants done.

The states have limited power to defy the feds. While case law does state that federal law supercedes state law, that doesn’t mean all States will immediately cooperate wholeheartedly. Obviously a court battle will eventually get to the supreme court, but that takes time and requires a single panel of judges to beat multiple states into line on each new policy.

Governments do have a small amount of caution when it comes to their people. One thing the crazy conservatives had right this whole time was that fundamentally, nobody was ever going to come for their guns because nobody wants to force a confrontation with a bunch of armed lunatics. In the same way, they’ll probably try to avoid massive riots and general strikes simply because it isn’t worth the fight to whoever is responsible.

Citizens can resist. Go to protests, donate to political advocacy organizations (the ACLU will have its work cut out for it), and for Christ’s sake, go vote! Show up every year, just not every 4 years. Without the cooperation of congress, his power would be significantly curtailed.

If nothing else, terms are limited. In 2 years we can swing congress. He isn’t going to be able to pass a constitutional amendment to do what he likes before that. If we swing congress in two years, it will slow him down significantly, and then we can replace him in 2028. Hopefully people will actually keep showing up long enough after that to reverse all the damage he’s likely to do in the next 4 years.
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Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
I’m not usually known for preaching peace, as I genuinely do not believe there is a peaceful way to defeat fascism. But, now is not the time to kill anyone. Violence at this moment would be ineffective and unfocused.

For the next four years (assuming Trump is not wholesale slaughtering us) becoming a politician would be a better use of your time than engaging in violence. For the next year or two, civic engagement (or political subversion) will have more effect than physically fighting

However, if widespread murder of the innocent begins taking place, please disregard my peaceful message.

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Kayday@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
“Americans” did win their country back. We aren’t welcome in it anymore.

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bstix@feddit.dk ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Maybe Biden could pack the Supreme Court before leaving office.

It wouldn’t be a great idea in the long run, but it’d potentially stop the entire system from functioning right now.

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Vespair@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Who knows. Apparently half my country is full of legitimately hateful people who just want to watch the people they don’t like suffer.

How the fuck do we come back from that? Honestly, are we even worth redeeming?

For me, this is it. This is when America died. If you’re still “proud” to be an American after this, you’re brain-damaged.

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umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
you organize to pressure the burgeoise, as always.

but for americans fascism seem to be tolerable but god forbid you learn from marxism and socialism.

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