I highly doubt the left will do anything uncivil. How can they win back the country? Is it too late?
Most Americans like and support Trump. That IS America.
How do Americans win their country back?
Submitted 2 weeks ago by SassyRamen@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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Modva@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
SassyRamen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Now that is something to think about… sad really
Modva@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah. Most people are probably experiencing the shock of what they thought the American people were vs what they are. It’s hard to understand and accept.
As foreigners, our views are heavily affected by things like Hollywood, celebrity and visibility to the “best of America”. But the bulk of America is not that, at all. So the veneer is torn away and it’s jarring to most people.
The only positive I see in all this is that we get to watch the US get what they voted for. Pain can be a teacher, but I doubt they can learn from it. Any and all agony from this will just be the other parties fault, always. Too much venom and malice in the politics and too little earnest substance.
franklin@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yup, it’s the election where hate won.
UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Even if it was to get uncivil, the side with guns in now in charge
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
They’re notoriously easy to get.
UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Not when the past 50 years have been so it’s harder and harder for the people the current rulers don’t like don’t get guns
Literally the prison system was made so those who object now legally can’t buy guns
xmunk@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Liberals have more guns. I hate hearing this bullshit point echoed like it’s some grand revelation.
UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Bro, have you been to any red necks houses? Cause if you had you wouldn’t be saying that
Vespair@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Who knows. Apparently half my country is full of legitimately hateful people who just want to watch the people they don’t like suffer.
How the fuck do we come back from that? Honestly, are we even worth redeeming?
For me, this is it. This is when America died. If you’re still “proud” to be an American after this, you’re brain-damaged.
Shotgun_Alice@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Education, unfortunately those in the most need of it are out of an educational institution so they will only be fed on a diet of commercialism and disinformation.
Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Some children really did get left behind
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
They don’t. It was never their country to begin with, clearly.
The majority of the U.S. has been racist, bigoted, misogynists from the beginning. Hell, the entire electoral college system that just fucked everyone over is a compromise that was put into place because a bunch of rich white landowners in the Antebellum south couldn’t stand the idea of freed black men’s votes having as much power as theirs. So they immediately rigged the system to keep them in control of who gets power because you better believe no black man was ever going to be an elector.
That is who your country is. There was a brief period from the 60s to the 80s where it became declasse to be an asshole, and so they mostly shut up during that time when they were in public, and then went home and took out their frustration by beating their wives and kids.
Then along came the modern republican party, who began to tear down that cloak of respectability, and it emboldened all of those wife beating shit-heads to say “Hey…we can be assholes again…go us.”
This is your America. It always has been. I’m sorry if that hurts. I really am. But right now I’m also goddamned angry at your country on behalf of my country and all the others that have to be caught in the blast.
x0chi@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s how I see it and I’m sure many like me (not us citizens) will start to see it.
xmunk@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
We engage in democracy.
Harris was a terrible candidate who was forced into the race. I was hoping she could pull it off but it’s pretty clear that what we needed was for Biden to step down before the primary so that we could have a real election.
iii@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
What do you mean by “win back”?
morphballganon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They’re trying to get liberals banned by coaxing out suggestions of terrorism
Deceptichum@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
By watering the tree of liberty?
troglodytis@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
With urine?
jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
No, blood from fascists
jaxxed@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think that first you have to start by admitting two things:
- Americans did win their/your election
- Americans have l9st faith in their democratic institutions
After that, you can look at why the Democratic parties fail to appeal to Americans, and try to reform them.
If you go outside of democracy to gain democracy, then you probably lose what’s left of your democracy.
figjam@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
Win it back from who?
Other Americans who made this choice know who Trump is and thats what they want.
The Rich have always owned this country. No one is taking anything from them. Its illegal to try.
Klear@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yup. Americans just won their country back, unfortunately.
muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
I majority of Americans think thats what theyve just done.
troglodytis@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A majority of the voters. 72{ish. We’re still counting)mil is not the majority.
muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
As someone from a country with mandatory voting i will not take a single second of any shit argument that hinges itself on people too lazy or stupid to excise their right to have a say in their own future. If u didnt vote then ur opinion and value for the purposes of political disscussion are 0.
yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
If Trump actually won, it is too late. Time to make plans to leave if you can, otherwise, prepare for the worst
stringere@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Got any tips to get started on that? I’ve got a wife and kids to take with me, so emigration will be complicated.
When will countries start accepting US asylum seekers?
HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Don’t call yourself an asylum seeker. Generally the rest of the world welcomes American immigrants, but we all get a bit antsy when it comes to helping people who actually need help.
Badeendje@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you got skills, pick a country and go to their immigration website. They will happily walk you through the process.
yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Well, it varies country by country but if you apply as a refugee/asylum seeker that usually includes your family. There may be some other options for becoming a resident, but this varies a lot depending of the country
hightrix@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The Democratic Party needs to run a candidate that is elected through a fair primary process. When this happens, dems win.
2008 - Obama was popular and won the primary 2012 - same 2016 - It was deemed Clinton’s turn, she was given every advantage, and lost 2020 - Biden won the primary as elected by the people, then won again 2024 - Harris was given the candidacy without having to primary, and lost
It is a simple trend.
edgemaster72@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Though to be fair, Biden won the (practically uncontested) primaries in 2024 and probably would have gotten his shit stomped in just as hard
hightrix@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I wouldn’t call the 2024 primaries fair. Biden was ordained, like Clinton.
There’s a reason these predetermined candidates keep losing.
Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Biden was losing 2020 by an embarrassing margin until ALL the other candidates except Bernie Sanders dropped out to coalesce behind Biden in SC.
Whatever happened to Liz “et tu, Brute” Warren?
masquenox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I highly doubt the left will do anything uncivil.
Firstly, undestanding what left actually is would be a good start. You’re not talking about the left. You’re talking about liberals. Liberalism isn’t left. Liberalism is right-wing, and always have been.
The actual left is very happy to be “uncivil.”
Secondly, a good second step would be to finally accept that liberals, and liberalism in general, has never, and will never, oppose fascism.
Those are two very basic things you can do right now.
31337@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The left is such a small population in the US, it’s irrelevant. If we are to believe Trump’s rhetoric, any group that becomes too much of a nuisance will be deemed “the enemy within,” and be shot.
masquenox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The left is such a small population in the US, it’s irrelevant.
And yet this “irrelevant” left managed to beat the far-right off the streets despite the far-right enjoying the support and protection of the police, not to mention luxurious funding. You don’t have to believe me, you can hear it from a Neo-Nazi himself.
It’s almost like… if you were to stop paying attention to the liberal gaslighting you might realize the answer was right in front of you all this time.
GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
By not being single issue shit heads.
auzy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Come to Australia mate
We will send our rejects to America in exchange
cheesymoonshadow@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
What a tweest!
P00ptart@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s over.
RangerJosie@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yes. It is too late. This was the inevitable outcome. Sooner or later.
Dems here are like UK Labor. They’re a right wing party who occasionally cosplays as a left leaning one when they need to. They stand as the bullwark against any form of left wing populism. And they’ve done their job to the letter.
Our economy is almost entirely debt driven financialization and gambling. There is another subprime mortgage crisis brewing. Exactly the same as the one in '08, except way bigger. And our economy is far more precarious than it was then.
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Truth
GiddyGap@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Apparently, the majority of Americans believe they won back their country yesterday. Looks like Trump is going to win the popular vote. That’s where we are.
xc2215x@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Wait till next election. Trump can only run for two terms.
WingedObsidian@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
One would hope that is the case…
HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There will come a time when Trump is not physically able to keep campaigning. You might not be rid of MAGA come that day, but Trump won’t last forever.
COASTER1921@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Putin also was able to only serve for two terms, so he replaced himself with a crony until he could change the law to remove term limits…
sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 2 weeks ago
Thank god he’s old, then, because he’s not going to last long enough to be long time dictator. But maybe thats not the point, even if trump is gone, if hardcore republicans dismantle elections to ensure they’re perpetually in power, then who the current figurehead is will be the least of our problems
NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Electoral whiplash is such a waste of time
blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
With the current rules, which he now has 4 years to repeal.
escapedgoat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Legally, there are a couple challenges to be made to his eligibility that will likely be brought by some states. If there is a case for insurrection then the 14th amendment applies.
The second potential is the 25th amendment. This would require J.D. Vance to get half of the cabinet on board to remove Trump from power. I’m wondering if this is something that is already in the works considering J.D. Vance’s true feelings for Trump that were revealed in the past. It’s probably a long shot, but who knows.
Seleni@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I would imagine (if they’re savvy, and the people running Project 2025 definitely are) they’d be more likely to keep him around as long as he was a useful distraction, then have him assassinated at a key point, and blame a liberal.
That would not only get him out of the way so the real work could begin, it would do double-duty of riling up his murderous base and giving them a ‘legitimate’ excuse to start sending the military after blue states and political rivals.
IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
See, this is why I rent.
TehBamski@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As if the majority had a fucking choice.
squid_slime@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
The us is ground hog day, they won’t win it back instead they will spend two years bickering then two years bad mouthing and it will continue to repeat as they believe they’ve got ‘democracy’ you guys don’t your being played by the political elites and the capitalist. Also stop throwing liberal around as a broad left notion, liberalism is an insult to any leftist.
If you want change then join a socialist party that is connected to an international. Make moves in unions. Build workers power. Be willing to fight. Educate yourselves so you can educate others. Marxism isn’t some silly notion or wond waving. Its a scientific approach to a healthy and just society, Karl Marx watched the birth of global capitalism, predicted its failures: failures we are still seeing today, and sort to tackle the issue with years of research and analysis. What he made is a solid base for us to build on.
MadBabs@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We radicalize, organize, pour into our communities, support one another, find people already doing the work and join in, and keep fighting like hell.
L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Win back? This country was bought and paid for long before any of us were alive. We keep fighting against the oligarhy for liberty and freedom like we’ve always done.
yrmp@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Balkanize.
Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Regardless of your views on the Orange Grifter / Gift from God (delete as applicable) this question is fundamentally flawed. “How do we build bridges, find common ground and begin to win over our fellow US citizens who have, in my opinion, made a poor and misinformed political choice that could have terrible consequences for them, our country and the world at large?” might be a more appropriate opener. I understand you’re upset, scared, desolate etc but your language comes off as belligerent and aggressive. Perhaps soften your tone and be more receptive to others’ concerns. For the record, I’ve got no flies on this turd as I’m not from the US, nor do I live there. Good luck.
SquatDingloid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The Republicans are running on a platform of attacking the rights of racial minorities, and the right for trans people to exist
And the people who vote for them like the pain they cause or are so checked out they don’t know/care
Idk if there is a way to work with people who’s political agenda is to kill you
Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
If over half of your active voters want to kill people as part of a national policy then you’re probably fucked beyond repair as a people and a nation. My condolences.
BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Winning back? They just won it.
SquatDingloid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Dam it must have taken you a while to come up with that one.
That little squirt of dopamine you get when you’re malicious, you know the one you chase like a drug addict? It’s unhealthy and creates a worse world for everyone to live in.
Stop being a malicious drug addict
ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Clearly not by voting, you guys sucks at it.
GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Let the loud mouthed Marxists finally carry out the revolution they’ve been babbling about for the past 10 years. Oh wait…