How do Americans win their country back?

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• Vespair@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Who knows. Apparently half my country is full of legitimately hateful people who just want to watch the people they don’t like suffer.

  How the fuck do we come back from that? Honestly, are we even worth redeeming?

  For me, this is it. This is when America died. If you’re still “proud” to be an American after this, you’re brain-damaged.

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• GrammarPolice@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Let the loud mouthed Marxists finally carry out the revolution they’ve been babbling about for the past 10 years. Oh wait…

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• Modva@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Most Americans like and support Trump. That IS America.

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  • SassyRamen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Now that is something to think about… sad really

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    • Modva@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Yeah. Most people are probably experiencing the shock of what they thought the American people were vs what they are. It’s hard to understand and accept.

      As foreigners, our views are heavily affected by things like Hollywood, celebrity and visibility to the “best of America”. But the bulk of America is not that, at all. So the veneer is torn away and it’s jarring to most people.

      The only positive I see in all this is that we get to watch the US get what they voted for. Pain can be a teacher, but I doubt they can learn from it. Any and all agony from this will just be the other parties fault, always. Too much venom and malice in the politics and too little earnest substance.

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  • franklin@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yup, it’s the election where hate won.

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• UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Even if it was to get uncivil, the side with guns in now in charge

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  • ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    They’re notoriously easy to get.

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    • UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Not when the past 50 years have been so it’s harder and harder for the people the current rulers don’t like don’t get guns

      Literally the prison system was made so those who object now legally can’t buy guns

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  • xmunk@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Liberals have more guns. I hate hearing this bullshit point echoed like it’s some grand revelation.

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    • UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Bro, have you been to any red necks houses? Cause if you had you wouldn’t be saying that

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• Shotgun_Alice@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Education, unfortunately those in the most need of it are out of an educational institution so they will only be fed on a diet of commercialism and disinformation.

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  • Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Some children really did get left behind

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• Adderbox76@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  They don’t. It was never their country to begin with, clearly.

  The majority of the U.S. has been racist, bigoted, misogynists from the beginning. Hell, the entire electoral college system that just fucked everyone over is a compromise that was put into place because a bunch of rich white landowners in the Antebellum south couldn’t stand the idea of freed black men’s votes having as much power as theirs. So they immediately rigged the system to keep them in control of who gets power because you better believe no black man was ever going to be an elector.

  That is who your country is. There was a brief period from the 60s to the 80s where it became declasse to be an asshole, and so they mostly shut up during that time when they were in public, and then went home and took out their frustration by beating their wives and kids.

  Then along came the modern republican party, who began to tear down that cloak of respectability, and it emboldened all of those wife beating shit-heads to say “Hey…we can be assholes again…go us.”

  This is your America. It always has been. I’m sorry if that hurts. I really am. But right now I’m also goddamned angry at your country on behalf of my country and all the others that have to be caught in the blast.

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  • x0chi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    That’s how I see it and I’m sure many like me (not us citizens) will start to see it.

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• jaxxed@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I think that first you have to start by admitting two things:

  1. Americans did win their/your election
  2. Americans have l9st faith in their democratic institutions

  After that, you can look at why the Democratic parties fail to appeal to Americans, and try to reform them.

  If you go outside of democracy to gain democracy, then you probably lose what’s left of your democracy.

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• xmunk@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  We engage in democracy.

  Harris was a terrible candidate who was forced into the race. I was hoping she could pull it off but it’s pretty clear that what we needed was for Biden to step down before the primary so that we could have a real election.

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• figjam@midwest.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Win it back from who?

  Other Americans who made this choice know who Trump is and thats what they want.

  The Rich have always owned this country. No one is taking anything from them. Its illegal to try.

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  • Klear@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yup. Americans just won their country back, unfortunately.

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• iii@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  What do you mean by “win back”?

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  • morphballganon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    They’re trying to get liberals banned by coaxing out suggestions of terrorism

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• Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  By watering the tree of liberty?

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  • troglodytis@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    With urine?

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    • jagged_circle@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      No, blood from fascists

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• muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I majority of Americans think thats what theyve just done.

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  • troglodytis@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    A majority of the voters. 72{ish. We’re still counting)mil is not the majority.

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    • muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      As someone from a country with mandatory voting i will not take a single second of any shit argument that hinges itself on people too lazy or stupid to excise their right to have a say in their own future. If u didnt vote then ur opinion and value for the purposes of political disscussion are 0.

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• yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  If Trump actually won, it is too late. Time to make plans to leave if you can, otherwise, prepare for the worst

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  • stringere@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Got any tips to get started on that? I’ve got a wife and kids to take with me, so emigration will be complicated.

    When will countries start accepting US asylum seekers?

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    • HowManyNimons@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Don’t call yourself an asylum seeker. Generally the rest of the world welcomes American immigrants, but we all get a bit antsy when it comes to helping people who actually need help.

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    • Badeendje@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      If you got skills, pick a country and go to their immigration website. They will happily walk you through the process.

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    • yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Well, it varies country by country but if you apply as a refugee/asylum seeker that usually includes your family. There may be some other options for becoming a resident, but this varies a lot depending of the country

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• hightrix@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  The Democratic Party needs to run a candidate that is elected through a fair primary process. When this happens, dems win.

  2008 - Obama was popular and won the primary 2012 - same 2016 - It was deemed Clinton’s turn, she was given every advantage, and lost 2020 - Biden won the primary as elected by the people, then won again 2024 - Harris was given the candidacy without having to primary, and lost

  It is a simple trend.

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  • edgemaster72@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Though to be fair, Biden won the (practically uncontested) primaries in 2024 and probably would have gotten his shit stomped in just as hard

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    • hightrix@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I wouldn’t call the 2024 primaries fair. Biden was ordained, like Clinton.

      There’s a reason these predetermined candidates keep losing.

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    • Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Biden was losing 2020 by an embarrassing margin until ALL the other candidates except Bernie Sanders dropped out to coalesce behind Biden in SC.

      Whatever happened to Liz “et tu, Brute” Warren?

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• masquenox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I highly doubt the left will do anything uncivil.

  Firstly, undestanding what left actually is would be a good start. You’re not talking about the left. You’re talking about liberals. Liberalism isn’t left. Liberalism is right-wing, and always have been.

  The actual left is very happy to be “uncivil.”

  Secondly, a good second step would be to finally accept that liberals, and liberalism in general, has never, and will never, oppose fascism.

  Those are two very basic things you can do right now.

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  • 31337@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    The left is such a small population in the US, it’s irrelevant. If we are to believe Trump’s rhetoric, any group that becomes too much of a nuisance will be deemed “the enemy within,” and be shot.

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    • masquenox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      The left is such a small population in the US, it’s irrelevant.

      And yet this “irrelevant” left managed to beat the far-right off the streets despite the far-right enjoying the support and protection of the police, not to mention luxurious funding. You don’t have to believe me, you can hear it from a Neo-Nazi himself.

      It’s almost like… if you were to stop paying attention to the liberal gaslighting you might realize the answer was right in front of you all this time.

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• auzy@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Come to Australia mate

  We will send our rejects to America in exchange

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  • cheesymoonshadow@lemmings.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    What a tweest!

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• GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  By not being single issue shit heads.

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• RangerJosie@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Yes. It is too late. This was the inevitable outcome. Sooner or later.

  Dems here are like UK Labor. They’re a right wing party who occasionally cosplays as a left leaning one when they need to. They stand as the bullwark against any form of left wing populism. And they’ve done their job to the letter.

  Our economy is almost entirely debt driven financialization and gambling. There is another subprime mortgage crisis brewing. Exactly the same as the one in '08, except way bigger. And our economy is far more precarious than it was then.

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  • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Truth

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• P00ptart@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  It’s over.

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• GiddyGap@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Apparently, the majority of Americans believe they won back their country yesterday. Looks like Trump is going to win the popular vote. That’s where we are.

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• xc2215x@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Wait till next election. Trump can only run for two terms.

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  • WingedObsidian@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    One would hope that is the case…

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    • HowManyNimons@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      There will come a time when Trump is not physically able to keep campaigning. You might not be rid of MAGA come that day, but Trump won’t last forever.

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  • COASTER1921@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Putin also was able to only serve for two terms, so he replaced himself with a crony until he could change the law to remove term limits…

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    • sparky@lemmy.federate.cc ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Thank god he’s old, then, because he’s not going to last long enough to be long time dictator. But maybe thats not the point, even if trump is gone, if hardcore republicans dismantle elections to ensure they’re perpetually in power, then who the current figurehead is will be the least of our problems

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  • NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Electoral whiplash is such a waste of time

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  • blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    With the current rules, which he now has 4 years to repeal.

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• escapedgoat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Legally, there are a couple challenges to be made to his eligibility that will likely be brought by some states. If there is a case for insurrection then the 14th amendment applies.

  The second potential is the 25th amendment. This would require J.D. Vance to get half of the cabinet on board to remove Trump from power. I’m wondering if this is something that is already in the works considering J.D. Vance’s true feelings for Trump that were revealed in the past. It’s probably a long shot, but who knows.

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  • Seleni@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I would imagine (if they’re savvy, and the people running Project 2025 definitely are) they’d be more likely to keep him around as long as he was a useful distraction, then have him assassinated at a key point, and blame a liberal.

    That would not only get him out of the way so the real work could begin, it would do double-duty of riling up his murderous base and giving them a ‘legitimate’ excuse to start sending the military after blue states and political rivals.

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• IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  See, this is why I rent.

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  • TehBamski@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    As if the majority had a fucking choice.

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• MadBabs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  We radicalize, organize, pour into our communities, support one another, find people already doing the work and join in, and keep fighting like hell.

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• squid_slime@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  The us is ground hog day, they won’t win it back instead they will spend two years bickering then two years bad mouthing and it will continue to repeat as they believe they’ve got ‘democracy’ you guys don’t your being played by the political elites and the capitalist. Also stop throwing liberal around as a broad left notion, liberalism is an insult to any leftist.

  If you want change then join a socialist party that is connected to an international. Make moves in unions. Build workers power. Be willing to fight. Educate yourselves so you can educate others. Marxism isn’t some silly notion or wond waving. Its a scientific approach to a healthy and just society, Karl Marx watched the birth of global capitalism, predicted its failures: failures we are still seeing today, and sort to tackle the issue with years of research and analysis. What he made is a solid base for us to build on.

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• L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Win back? This country was bought and paid for long before any of us were alive. We keep fighting against the oligarhy for liberty and freedom like we’ve always done.

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• yrmp@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Balkanize.

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• Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Regardless of your views on the Orange Grifter / Gift from God (delete as applicable) this question is fundamentally flawed. “How do we build bridges, find common ground and begin to win over our fellow US citizens who have, in my opinion, made a poor and misinformed political choice that could have terrible consequences for them, our country and the world at large?” might be a more appropriate opener. I understand you’re upset, scared, desolate etc but your language comes off as belligerent and aggressive. Perhaps soften your tone and be more receptive to others’ concerns. For the record, I’ve got no flies on this turd as I’m not from the US, nor do I live there. Good luck.

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  • SquatDingloid@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The Republicans are running on a platform of attacking the rights of racial minorities, and the right for trans people to exist

    And the people who vote for them like the pain they cause or are so checked out they don’t know/care

    Idk if there is a way to work with people who’s political agenda is to kill you

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    • Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      If over half of your active voters want to kill people as part of a national policy then you’re probably fucked beyond repair as a people and a nation. My condolences.

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• BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Winning back? They just won it.

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  • SquatDingloid@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Dam it must have taken you a while to come up with that one.

    That little squirt of dopamine you get when you’re malicious, you know the one you chase like a drug addict? It’s unhealthy and creates a worse world for everyone to live in.

    Stop being a malicious drug addict

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• DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Violence. There will not be a second option.

  Feel free to wait until the camps start, liberals. That will be the “civil” course.

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