By that metric, kelvin would be even better though.
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CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 8 months ago
rovingnothing29@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You miss out on screaming that it’s negative anything though.
pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
The best system would have 0 at a mild, comfortable temperature, and go up or down by 100 degrees per one degrees Fahrenheit.
meeeeetch@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You can absolutely yell about that. And when Fahrenheit flips to negative, you’re ready to express some big feelings about how fucking cold it is.
CaptainPedantic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
And Rankine would be even better than Kelvin in terms of “big number go brrr.” Water boils at 671 R.
Of course, Rankine is the most obnoxious unit I’ve ever had to deal with, but those numbers sure are big!
Dettweiler42@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
You mean it’s THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN FUCKING DEGREES OUTSIDE?!
alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
OK, but with Rankine, if it’s 101 out, you can go Five Hundred and SIXTY degrees??!
socsa@piefed.social 8 months ago
Please raise this temperature by 1.4x10^-23 Joules - statements of the utterly deranged
uis@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Joules are energy. You need thermal capacity to turn them into temperature.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
“Kelvin” sounds a lot like “communism” you pinko
shinratdr@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
For proof that this thread is just people justifying what they know as better somehow, look no further than Canada.
We do cooking temps in Fahrenheit, weather in Celsius. Human weights in pounds, but never pounds and oz. Food weights in grams, cooking weights in pounds and oz. Liquid volume in millilitres and litres, but cooking in cups, teaspoons and tablespoons. Speed & distance in kilometres, heights in feet and inches.
Try and give this any consistency and people will look at you like you’re fucked. The next town is 100km over, I’m 5ft 10in, a can of soda is 355ml, it’s 21c out and I have the oven roasting something at 400f. Tell me it’s 68f out and I will fight you.
People like what they are used to, and will bend over backwards to justify it. This becomes blatantly obvious when you use a random mix of units like we do, because you realize that all that matters is mental scale.
If Fahrenheit is “how people feel” then why are feet useful measurements of height when 90% of people are between 4ft and 6ft? They aren’t. You just know the scale in your head, so when someone says they’re 7ft tall you say “dang that’s tall”. That’s it.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 8 months ago
We do cooking temps in Fahrenheit, weather in Celsius.
Fahrenheit: let’s use “really cold weather” as zero and really hot weather as 100.
Celsius: let’s use “freezing water” as zero, and “boiling water” as 100
Canucks: Image
overcast5348@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Fahrenheit: let’s use “really cold weather” as zero and really hot weather as 100.
I don’t really have a horse in this race but this logic doesn’t seem legit to me.
How is -17°C really cold weather AND 37°C really hot weather?
One is actively trying to kill you if weren’t already dead by the time the weather got that bad. The other just makes your nuts stick to your thighs – if you’re in a humid place.
I’d agree with the logic of 100F was equal to something like 65°C. 🤷♂️
Etterra@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Celsius is for scientists and nerds, Fahrenheit is for normal idiots. It’s not rocket surgery.
Bongles@lemm.ee 8 months ago
If Fahrenheit is “how people feel” then why are feet useful measurements of height when 90% of people are between 4ft and 6ft?
Those are two different things. Hope this helps.
shinratdr@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
It doesn’t help at all, it’s being intentionally obtuse.
IntheTreetop@lemm.ee 8 months ago
This makes a lot of sense, and why I’d never survive in Canada.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
As a Canadian idk why your using us an an example, we are wrong to do so and we blame Americans for giving us this bad habit.
RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
I just see it positively and choose to believe you’re in the process of transitioning to enlightenment (metric). ;)
phx@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Outdoor temperature in °C, unless you’re talking about an outdoor pool then it’s often enough °F :-)
I think part of the reasons it’s so mixed might just be due to how many Amero-centric devices and parts are common between the two countries.
Y’all can take your shitty Phillips screws though. Roberts is by far superior ;-)
ursakhiin@beehaw.org 8 months ago
Imagine weighing people as big rocks, though.
Until the UK changes that, us Americans and Canadians can rest assured that nothing we are doing is quite that ridiculous.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
then why are feet useful measurements of height when 90% of people are between 4ft and 6ft? They aren’t. You just know the scale in your head, so when someone says they’re 7ft tall you say “dang that’s tall”. That’s it.
to be clear, we use feet and inches, and there is historical precedent for breaking things down once they get past a certain grouping, we only have 10 fingers after all. To me the difference between 200cm and 220 is literally fuck all. You ask me the difference between 4 ft and 6ft and i can pretty quickly tell you.
I find it weird that when measuring height in metric, people using cm exclusively, i’ve noticed this a lot actually, people will use cm or mm in places where it arguably doesn’t make any sense. I could see the justification for doing math maybe, but like, that defeats the whole point of it being metric no?
Shouldn’t you be using meters and cm for height specifically? Since most people are a good bit over one meter i feel like it would make sense to do it that way. But then again that’s just kind of a shit bucket worth of options you have, ideally you would use decimeters, but nobody uses those things for some reason.
shinratdr@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Most of Europe just uses metres for people’s height. 1.67m, like that. I have no mental picture of that, so it doesn’t work for me. But they don’t seem to have any trouble, further evidence that it’s all just what you know.
TheKingBombOmbKiller@lemm.ee 8 months ago
I find it weird that when measuring height in metric, people using cm exclusively, i’ve noticed this a lot actually, people will use cm or mm in places where it arguably doesn’t make any sense. I could see the justification for doing math maybe, but like, that defeats the whole point of it being metric no?
Why is that defeating the whole point of being metric? If you know someone is 183 cm tall, you also know that they are 1.83 m tall. If its easier to say the length in cm, you do. No need for “one meter and eighty-three centimeters” or “one point eighty-three meters”, just “a hundred and eighty-three centimeters”. Often you just skip saying the “centimeters” part as well, because most people can see that you’re not the size of a skyscraper without getting a ruler out.
uienia@lemmy.world 8 months ago
To me the difference between 200cm and 220 is literally fuck all. You ask me the difference between 4 ft and 6ft and i can pretty quickly tell you.
To you. But you are aware that this is not the case for people (almost the rest of the world) who are using metric, right?
SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 8 months ago
Tell me it’s 68f out and I will fight you.
Note to self: High heat levels make Canadians cranky.
CaptainPedantic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The only good thing about Fahrenheit is that 69 degrees (20.5 C) is a nice temperature.
Lizardking27@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Also it’s a 0-100 scale of how hot it is outside, and it requires no prior understanding to use it as such.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
The freezing point of water is very important to weather, and requires prior knowledge of the arbitrary number 32.
Mrs_deWinter@feddit.org 8 months ago
If that was true outsiders should be able to use Fahrenheit without much explanation. I’ve never got a clue what the °F values mean, I always have to use a converter. It’s really not as intuitive as people who grew up with it seem to believe.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 8 months ago
Exactly. Fahrenheit is just metric weather.
mcSibiss@lemmy.world 8 months ago
By that logic, Americans should use km/h instead of mph. Going 0-100 is much better than 0-60. For the same reason you keep telling us why Fahrenheit is so much more intuitive.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
100mph is like, actually kinda spooky though. 100 kmh isn’t spooky. Also 60mph ties nicely into the seconds/minutes/hours time dichotomy, which is fun.
toddestan@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Actually, it’s the other way around. 100 degrees F weather is really hot. Driving 100 MPH is really fast.
In metric we have 40 degrees C weather is really hot, and driving…uhhh… gets out a calculator 170 kph is really fast.
Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
Uhh and 100 ° C is also really hot.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
100°C is where you shouldn’t touch it anymore and 100 to 120 km/h is the speed limit about everywhere except germany.
blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
You can go 100 mph
driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 8 months ago
You can also go 107 Celsius, for a while.
mcSibiss@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You guys have a lot of Max 100 zones?
Because in km/h, we got lots of those
mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
TWO HUNDRED AND SEVETY THREE KELVIN I’M FREEZING
hex@programming.dev 8 months ago
Once again… the classic argument of: “Well, I grew up using this system, and I’m used to the system. I have built an internal intuition for how hot and cold the temperature is. I am used to >100 being hot! 40 is not hot!”
Well then. I grew up using celcius and… “IT’S FOURTY FUCKING ONE DEGREES OUTSIDE?” sounds just as hot.
bignate31@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah, I grew up in Fahren-wasteland, but have lived in Celsi-heaven for 7 years. I embraced it, and now when someone says “40 FUCKING DEGREES!!” I know exactly what they’re talking about. It’s hot. You probably don’t have an air con. It’s misery.
Femcowboy@lemm.ee 8 months ago
The joke
Your head
hex@programming.dev 8 months ago
No… I get it… 41 < 105… I totally agree haha funny joke. I’m just over this debate. Who gives a fuck what temperature scale you use? Just use the one you know. We have conversions for that reason.
Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah, but you can’t argue that adding a whole digit doesn’t make it seem bigger. And take a kid who doesn’t yet know either system. They for sure will think 107 is hotter then 41. That said, I wish everywhere that gave a temp in the US would give both so I could get a better sense of Celsius. Most apps and such let you choose one or the other, but not both.
lemmyng@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
On the other hand it dilutes the effect of lower values because a lot of them are double digit. 20F, 40F, 60F… all double digit, but wildly varying. On the other hand, with Celsius you get:
- Below 0: There’s ice/snow.
- 0: Things are freezing/thawing (depending on what the temperature was before.
- 10s (Spring): T-shirt weather.
- 10s (Fall): Sweater weather.
- 20s: Nice in the sun.
- 30s: Nice in the shade.
- 40s: THIS IS PUNISHMENT FOR OUR HUBRIS.
Raiderkev@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I read that as “take that from a kid who doesn’t know either system,” and I was about to say are you living under a rock or something?
ObsidianZed@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Strange, because it is bullshit.
Fahrenheit isn’t how people feel, otherwise 50° would be perfect temperature.
You Americans are just used to thinking in Fahrenheit, that is why you think it is how humans feel. As a European, I “feel” in Celsius.
TheTetrapod@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Rating inflation. If someone called you a 5 or 6 out of 10, you’d feel bad. 7/10 is the bottom of acceptability, just like 72° is room temperature.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Fahrenheit literally meant to base the scale with 100 being human body temp.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 8 months ago
otherwise 50° would be perfect temperature.
I love it when it’s 50ish out and sunny. You don’t get all sweaty, plus you can wear cozy socks and sweaters or just go out in short sleeves and both are perfectly fine. The bugs all start going into hiding at that temperature but the grass and leaves are still green
where_am_i@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
As a European I can perfectly feel the 0 degree. I step outside and 5 seconds later I can tell you if it’s below zero or not.
For me “it’s now really hot” in summer is exactly when it’s over 30C. It being 86F doesn’t make any more sense. Approximately above 35C I will avoid going outside. Which would be 95F, not 100. From here, the temps in summer in the south of Europe are often around 100F at peak. Above or below doesn’t matter.
All that Fahrenheit scale is good for is if you live in a continental climate, more to the south, e.g. some useless place like Oklahoma, where 0F is approximately year low, and 100F is approximately year high.
For all other places, where the temperature delta over the course of the year is not as extreme, this Fahrenheit scale is as unintuitive as celcius, e.g. you just get used to it.
Ephera@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
What annoys me about that phrasing, is that “how water feels” is quite relevant to how humans feel.
The obvious example is that if it’s below 0°C, it starts freezing, which causes slippery sidewalks, snow, dry air, all that stuff.
But just in general having a feeling how much water will evaporate and later precipitate at certain temperatures, and even stuff like how hot beverages and cooking temperatures are, it’s all still relevant for humans…Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Fahrenheit is literally a German dude making a scale from, “scheiße its chilly outside” to “oh mein gott, its hot out!”
Korrok@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
41°C sounds terrifying to me
tino@lemmy.world 8 months ago
it’s not about what makes more sense: what makes more sense is what you use everyday and is natural to you. 40+ C is freaking hot because when you experience it, it’s freaking hot. It’s about what the entire rest of the world is using as a standard.
BlackDragon@slrpnk.net 8 months ago
Sounds like a great time to propose my system of temperature: Super Celsius. I’ll connect it to the freezing and boiling points of water just like Celsius, but while freezing remains at 0, boiling is now 1000. Get ready for a nice mild day of 250 degrees.
dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 8 months ago
In Ali Baba and the 40 Thieves, the number of thieves wasn’t really necessarily 40. The number was likely just chosen because 40 was an exaggerated number, much like when we’d say “I’ve told you a hundred million times”. So 40 as a shorthand for “a huge amount” seems fitting in celcius.
Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Forty-one sounds insanely hot as an outside temperature if that’s the standard you’re used to. And that’s the thing that the Fahrentards refuse to wrap their head around.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Fahrenheit is better because 69 is a nice temperature
Moah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
That’s why I only use Kelvin. 314.15 sounds like 3 times more “WTF HOW HOT IS TODAY??!?” than your paltry 107
OkGo@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Ah America, bigger is always a better isn’t it?
meep_launcher@lemm.ee 8 months ago
I present the temperature scale that I made up- the Human Scale (H°)
I thought about the Fahrenheit vs Celsius debate, and I think both have practical uses, however I think combined they could make a very practical scale.
Fahrenheit: while my American sensibilities agree that 100° is a good marker for what % of my patience is used up to cut a bitch, I think a similar place would be the average human body temperature. For this reason, 100°H = 98.6°F . It’s not a perfect match, but it can still give us the satisfaction of “IT’S 100°!?” while having practical implications for medical uses “your body temperature is 102°, 2° warmer than average”.
Celsius: I think this scale makes a ton of sense for colder temperatures. When the thermometer reads 0°, that’s when you can expect snow. For this reason, 0°H = 0°C.
The conversation rates are:
H = (F-32) × 1.5
H= C × 2.7
More precise is
H = (F-32) × 1.501501501…
H = C × 2.7027027027…
While using the freezing point of water and the average human body temperature seem like inconsistent and arbitrary benchmarks, my goal is less about consistency and more about practicality for everyday use.
Now watch this scale grow as big as Esperanto.
jpablo68@infosec.pub 8 months ago
good point, but to us Celsius fans or “Celsilovers” over one hundred sounds like the apocalypse.
UlyssesT@hexbear.net 8 months ago
alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
But really it is much better for human temperatures.
It’s just intuitive, 0F is 100% cold, and 100F is 100% hot.
When the dry bulb gets above 100F, wind only cools you down by sweat evaporation, and when the wet bulb gets above 100F, even that can’t cool you down, and you will die if you don’t get to a cooler or drier environment.
happybadger@hexbear.net 8 months ago
I like the saying “Fahrenheit is what you feel, Celsius is what water feels, and Kelvin is what the universe feels”.
KingOfTheCouch@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Fuck it. I’m inventing a new scale.
Behold! “Disagree Degrees”. We’re going to combine the best traits of the other units. No more searching for the stupid little degree character in the character map. D for degrees or disagrees - whatever, I don’t give a shit.
0D = 0K (Like Kelvin, no negatives! That’s so dumb!) 0.4D = -40 C and -40 F 1D = Water Freezing point (Need a consistent point of scale) 10D = “Pleasant temperature” 100D = Kind of hot 500D = Really hot for people (>40C or >100F) “It’s like 500 disagrees out there!” 1000D= Water boiling (To match the freezing temp) 1,000,000,000,000D = Surface of the sun
Good luck on the math converting to other units, this temperature scale isn’t about being useful for nerd stuff, it’s all about appealing to our emotions.
Krauerking@lemy.lol 8 months ago
I’m gonna be honest. I love Celsius for the the whole perfect math reasons with calories and water based measurement…
But the curve on temps is a pain when all the nice temperatures require using a decimal place to decide just how slightly above or below pleasant it is but cold is basically everything from 16°C to -30°C And then decimals really matter when hotter than pleasant temps.
Whole rounded intwgers are just so vastly different depending how high or low you are in Celsius.
Facebones@reddthat.com 8 months ago
I hate that I agree with this lol
socsa@piefed.social 8 months ago
ITT: Europeans tie their personal identity to an arbitrary scale for the expression of mean entropy.
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 8 months ago
celsius is the yelp of temperature ratings
TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I think the reason people are saying that Fahrenheit “feels” right is because we use a base 10 number system. 1-10 and 0%-100% feel right to us because of this. If you somehow knew nothing about each temperature unit, but you did know base 10, I feel like Fahrenheit would be more intuitive. Obviously if you grew up with Celsius that would feel normal.
Disclaimer: I feel like the US needs to adopt metric already. It’s so much better.
suzune@ani.social 8 months ago
What? 100°F is too mild. It doesn’t even boil water!
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 8 months ago
“Bigger number is more better” also explains American sports where you get 3 points for running a bit and then play stops for an ad break and the national anthem.
pH3ra@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
In the end it’s the humidity that gets you
repungnant_canary@lemmy.world 8 months ago
When you use Celsius from birth 41C does make you say FORTY ONE DEGREES?!!!
doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Yeah, but it hits different. Smaller number is smaller.
That’s why I use Kelvin. THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN DEGREES?!!
deus@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Degrees? While using Kelvin?? OP is a phony!
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Should use Rankine with that logic.
quantenzitrone@lemmings.world 8 months ago
Why not Centikelvin?
THIRTY ONE THOUSAND AND FIVE HUNDRED CENTIKELVIN??!!!
Woht24@lemmy.world 8 months ago
100%
It’s just Americans having American perspectives promoted as world views.
Takumidesh@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s about crossing into triple digits, a new order of magnitude, it feels heavy.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
brother, that’s what a world view is lmao, do you not understand this concept?
Don_alForno@feddit.org 8 months ago
On the other hand, if it was 107°C outside, the outrage would be so much more justified.
noerdman@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
But much less vocal.
You know, because we’d all be dead.
abbadon420@lemm.ee 8 months ago
No, he’s right. The “one hundred” part really does add certain powers, Austin Powers
Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
It’s that extra “one” of incredulity.
40 degrees, that’s just too hot.
41? You’ve got to be fucking kidding me.
Delphia@lemmy.world 8 months ago
In Australia we go with “Farkin hot”