Its scary that people need hell to not commit crimes and stuff like that.
Tacos.
Submitted 11 months ago by FlyingSquid@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 11 months ago
I already commit all the murder and rape I want.
The number of times I want to rape and murder just happens to be 0.
Kedly@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Tbf, there were a few times I’ve wanted to murder some people.
FreshLight@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Fuck, that’s such a damn good quote.
Both points, being A: Controlling the population when they are already adult and B: Controlling the population by raising them “correct”, are equally valid, though. Imo
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The number of apparently utterly batshit insane potential criminals that are only held in check by religion in the US is quite disturbing.
Socsa@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
The reality is that they aren’t held in check. Rural crime is widely underreported because cops in the boonies won’t take a report about domestic violence unless it involves a trip to the hospital
Otkaz@lemmy.world 11 months ago
As an atheist I can’t tell you how many Christians have asked me why I don’t just rape and murder people if I don’t believe in hell. Tells me everything I need to know about that POS.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If I need hell to control my behavior I might as well be running around doing this
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which frankly sounds better
NutWrench@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Agreed. If the only that stops some people from committing crimes is the threat of supernatural punishment, then they have the morality of an insect.
gregorum@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I’m willing to bet that insects have far better morals.
SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
I always hate that argument. Why be a decent human without the threat of eternal damnation? I mean that threat doesn’t seem to stop a vast number of religious people from being unbelievably cruel to their fellow humans, so…
magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 11 months ago
If anything, it just used as justification for bad behavior. “My genocide is completely justified. It’s what God wanted!”
SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
About a month ago there was a Christian philosopher making exactly this argument, perhaps not realizing how absolutely psychotic he sounded like.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
There are also plenty of good people in places with religions that have afterlives but not hell or any threat of eternal punishment.
SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
True!
TheDoozer@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Religion doesn’t stop a bad person from being evil. It can convince a bad person they’re still good (better!) when they do evil.
And good people don’t need religion to do good. But it can make them overlook the evil of other religious people and protect them, making them bad.
The best-case scenario is that religion can have no effect on how good or bad someone is. Good people stay good despite religion, not because of it.
KevonLooney@lemm.ee 11 months ago
The main issue is that religion is something that makes you feel better when you have emotional pain, like a loved one dying. Like any painkiller, it has a purpose and if you abuse it you can deaden your response to actual issues that need your attention.
Originally Christianity was mostly about helping the poor, sick, dying, etc. That genuinely makes you feel better about yourself. Judaism has a lot of references to remaining strong in the face of adversity. Religions are just mental tools. What you do with that tool is up to you. If you hurt other people, it’s your fault.
shield_gengar@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
I don’t. It tells you, in clear language, the type of person that this “loving Christian” is. They literally can’t imagine altruism, and that says more about them than what they think they’re saying about me.
dudinax@programming.dev 11 months ago
That kind of person is revealing an innate sense of right and wrong that’s independent of their teachings. You should fear the Christian who’s envious of your disbelief in hell.
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 11 months ago
It also tells you they only care for the Christian tribal identity, not the actual teachings of Christ.
To be Christian is to be like Christ, not… whatever the hell these people think they are.
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Yep. Even though I’m not an atheist, I still don’t understand this argument. I’m a good person (or at least try to be) for the sake of being a good person, because I don’t need to be threathened with eternal damnation in order to not murder people.
Furbag@lemmy.world 11 months ago
People who say they are only good because of the threat of eternal damnation are literal psychopaths.
cumskin_genocide@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I’m only good because of the law. I don’t like the idea of spending the rest of my life in jail.
bossito@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Then you’re not good, you’re just law compliant.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Laws are not written to make people good. Following them doesn’t make you good.
There are countless laws that don’t send you to jail. Do you break them?
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Exactly. It just sounds like they would do anything if they were sure they wouldn’t be punished for it.
MonkderDritte@feddit.de 11 months ago
Why be good if there is no hell?
Because morale is a societal and not a religious thing.
Ulvain@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
It seriously feels good to see this written down sometimes. I hate that religion somehow laid claim to morality.
dariusj18@lemmy.world 11 months ago
My rebuttal to this is (they usually include murder as the bad thing being done), “Are you telling me fear of hell is the only thing keeping you from murdering me right now? Says a lot more about your morals than mine.”
niktemadur@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Maybe, just maybe, also because that may have been the way to get some impulsive but simple-minded people to not make a mess for those around them. Didn’t work with everyone, though. If it ever did, with anyone.
It seems shockingly easy to get some people to do commit evil acts as they think they are doing good… and that usually comes carrying a lot of religious ideology and/or methodology, curiously enough.MonkderDritte@feddit.de 11 months ago
Yeah, it can be easily influenced. See Stanford prisoner experiment. Religion can be an influence too, but religios people can’t imagine a life without it.
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
“Why even be good if there’s no heaven?”
They are actually absolutely right. Because I don’t believe in heaven, I’m exactly as evil as I want to be
Which is to say, a lot less so than most christians
Kedly@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I sexually assault and murder exactly as much as I want to, and that amount is zero… ok, at least the sexually assault part
MenacingPerson@lemm.ee 11 months ago
murder exactly as much as I want to Uh… You mean animals and plants and stuff, right?
…right?
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I think you’re missing the point. We’re talking about tacos.
waterSticksToMyBalls@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Be good so you don’t disappoint the tacos
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
I also eat all the tacos I want
SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Virgin “I live in an existentialist mental hell I’ve been indoctrinated into” vs Chad “A meaningless life in a purposeless universe means I’m the master of my own destiny, and therefore I choose to eat tacos”
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Why be good if there is no hell?
Erm… If you need to be threathened with eternal torture in order to be a good person, then chances are you are not good person.
froh42@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Exactly this thought made made me understand “god is irrelevant” a long time ago and I became an agnosticist.
I really can not understand people who are only “good” because they fear an ultimate judgment, and not be good just because they want to out of their own volition.
In case there are gods, I’ll be judged for who I am, anyways. It doesn’t matter if I play “good child”. If there are no gods, I’m still happier if I’m not an asshole.
luciferofastora@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
What I find even more reprehensible than the sentiment “Without the threat of consequences, why should I be decent?” is that their own fucking book holds the answer to their goddamn question (not an expletive here, their god should and provably would damn them for it):
“So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.” - Matthew 7:12
The first half of this is a principle independent of religion, a fundamental social contract, the most critical idea underpinning any functioning society: Expect your behaviour to be reciprocated, and act accordingly. If you want others to help you if you need it, help people (if you can). If you want others to be kind to you, be kind to others. If you’re gonna be a prick, expect others to be just as prickly to you.
If all that keeps you from murdering people is the threat of eternal damnation, you forget that your own scripture says “If you kill people, expect that others may kill you in turn.”
Bonus: the biblical Jesus was known to hate hypocrites that pick out one piece of scripture to follow and ignore another and pharisees that carefully interpret and follow the letter of the law to find loopholes and ignore the heart of it. Those people lawyering their way around the otherwise unmistakable passages about generosity and giving away your wealth? Believe it or not, straight to hell.
Signed, an apostate whose faith was shattered by fallacy of preaching love while children suffer and threatening hell while blasphemers thrive.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
It absolutely confounds me how Christianity has become a stereotypically right-wing thing when in the context of the time Jesus’s actions are mostly that of a radical progressive who amassed such a following that the power structures of the time had him killed.
Like how in the hell can you run around hating homosexuals and immigrants when you account for the company Jesus kept in the context of the time? Only if you completely fucking ignore it.
My wife’s grandfather was a pastor, and a saying that has passed through her family is “On the day of judgment, there’s going to be a lot of Christians facing a very unhappy surprise”.
Signed, former apostate who has found his way back to being an incredibly frustrated Christian.
luciferofastora@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
On the day of judgment, there’s going to be a lot of Christians facing a very unhappy surprise
I mean, even that is biblical. The passage in the Apocalypse about “What you did to the least of my brothers, you did to me” features a group of people claiming to be faithful being turned away just as they turned away the needy: “I don’t know you, go away”.
Which means we’re back on the topic of reading one part but ignoring another. How can you vote to slash social security nets, then go to church and look at that cross, the symbol of the ultimate sacrifice and of a man that said “if anyone forces you to go one mile, go two, and if they demand your shirt, give them the coat too”, with anything but shame and disgust at yourself?
In the Acts, there’s a story of a couple that sold an acre and gave part of the money to their parish. They lied and said it had been the full amount to exaggerate the weight of their contribution. As per the response, they wouldn’t have to give anything, but pretending it was the full amount was a deceit deserving of keeling over dead.
Yet televangelists pretend to do God’s work, enriching themselves beyond measure. Guess that threat of punishment only works if you actually believe it.
Maggoty@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If you need the promise of punishment to be good, then you’re not a good person.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I can confirm that Heaven is on Earth and it’s on the side of the road in Mexico. 🥰
troglodytis@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Hell may, or may not come after heaven. The taco works in mysterious ways
Niksolo80@lemmy.world 11 months ago
“But what about Sunday, the day of rest?” Oh you mean Taco Tuesday?
Lemminary@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Only if you’re a foreigner 🤭
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Avoid the super spicy chile sauce.
OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Heaven is armadillos?
Lemminary@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’ve never seen an armadillo here that wasn’t dedicated and propped on someone’s table 😅 I mean, I’ve only seen one like that, but it was one too many and it was creepy
nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 11 months ago
Not the ones carrying Y. pestis.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Wouldn’t it be Cielo in that case?
Lemminary@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Eh, tomato jitomate. Same thing!
JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’ve said it before I’ll say it again. If you need the threat of eternal damnation weighing over you to be a good person, you’re not a good person.
nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 11 months ago
Instructions unclear. Unintentionally started sectarian conflict over whether mole poblano or salsa verde is the correct sauce for baptism.
gregorum@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Frankly, babies are delicious with either.
Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Just don’t double dip the baby. Thatd be heinous
Default_Defect@midwest.social 11 months ago
I want some tacos now.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
What do you mean by “now?” Like an eternal now? Like how it’s never not now until it’s stopped being now?
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 11 months ago
Yes. We would like an unending amount of tacos. The correct number of tacos is always one more.
kromem@lemmy.world 11 months ago
“Have you accepted the al pastor into your heart?”
niktemadur@lemmy.world 11 months ago
you seriously don’t understand god
says the poor lost soul who also says
why be good if there is no hell
Do many adults still go around spouting whatever they heard from their parents or Sunday school teacher when they were children, just to get them to stop asking “complicated questions”?
CluckN@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Early 2000’s Invader Zim holding up a spork type post.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I can totally see that.
Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Okay this is actually a perfect eastern vs western philosophy debate hidden in a taco.
I am going to make some very broad strokes here. So no armchair quarterbacking me. I know it’s way more nuanced but I’m not writing an essay on Lemmy.
In general Western philosophies always have a “goal.” Your human life is to prove your worthiness. You need to look back and atone for your past mistakes. You need to look forward so you can do the right things to be worthy. It is very little about being in the now.
Eastern philosophies are much more about being aware of the moment. The past has happened it cannot be changed you should not worry about it. The future doesn’t exist so there’s no need to focus on it. The only thing you can affect is the very moment in time you’re in and the only way to affect it is through your actions.
In this case tacos are the moment. So next time you’re eating a delicious taco. Spend that moment to be one with your taco. Concentrate on the smell. Then feel the texture as you pick it up. How the various colors interact with each other. Then as you bite off some, feel the textures in your mouth and how the flavors interact. Watch yourself, be aware of every time you chew. Remember there is no past there’s no future there is only tacos.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Western philosophy
if god is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent then what is the point in anything
- John Calvin
altima_neo@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
People may argue against this, but they probably have never had a real, good taco.
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I am faced with the knowledge that I have masa harina just sitting around.
I’m gonna go have a religious experience.
umbraroze@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You’ve not understood to Existence until you’ve gone “oh good. foo-ood.”
Source: Been a student, subsidised, unsubsidised, employed also, then left alone too. Unemployed, Also an intern, and not as much.
Foo-ooood is goo-ood. Just grab it. If you can. Tacos are better than death.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Does anyone think this is real?
bitwolf@lemmy.one 11 months ago
My people!
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Thanks now i need some
general_kitten@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Damn now i want to make tacos
MonkderDritte@feddit.de 11 months ago
Russell’s Tacos.
therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
That’s not funny
PenisWenisGenius@lemmynsfw.com 11 months ago
I hope when I die there are shitposting communities to shitpost in.
MeDuViNoX@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
When I die, I’m going to meet that Gaco in the sky.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Cronch
gregorum@lemm.ee 11 months ago
This person person openly telling you that the only this stopping the from being a shitty person is some myth about otherworldly punishment after they die.
Which, of course, means they’ll be juuuust as shitty as they believe they can get away with.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah, the “why be good if there’s no God/Hell” is a disturbing as fuck argument, because it essentially says that if they decide that their god wants them to start killing, they’ll do it.
I’m good because if I do something bad, I feel bad about it. It’s pretty simple.
gregorum@lemm.ee 11 months ago
exactly. i understand that doing bad things is bad because i feel guilt and shame when i do bad things. conversely, i feel good when i do good things. I also understand the broader implications of both-- not to mention that i have empathy and can see the impact of my actions upon others while caring as well.
i don’t need a fairy tale to threaten me with eternal torture in order to not be a sociopath.
chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
I had a coworker catholic who both said that statement, and also argued animals had no souls, so no one should ever get in trouble for animal abuse. Along with his ridiculously heated response to any government involvement in Healthcare, and the way he got close to yelling when discussing these topics while also claiming he was just being logical, not emotional. Why yes he did call women emotional, how did you know?
People like him scare me, because it sounds like if he could use some religious context to say I didn’t have a soul, he’d probably come to the same conclusion he did about dogs.
MonkderDritte@feddit.de 11 months ago
And being nice just makes your (and others) life nicer.
dojan@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah that’s my takeaway from that argument as well. If you have to be threatened by some vague notion of a future punishment in order to not be a complete dickwad, you’re clearly not a good person.
Why be good if there’s no hell? Because to live is to suffer. Society sucks. Accepting that, working past it, and being kind to those around you makes everything slightly more bearable. You are to be kind to others because it’s the right thing to be.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
One crisis of faith away from a murder spree.
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Happened to a relative of mine, kind of. Went on a drug and debauchery spree. Not the fun way. Hard drugs, seriously addictive. Stole from the family, we all disowned them. Ended up hitting someone while driving under the influence and killing them. Went to jail, supposedly got sober, but I’m still no-contact.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 11 months ago
also the bible says genocide is ok and its ok to do all sorts of people to folks who aren’t your “neighbor”
MxM111@kbin.social 11 months ago
Well, that's why this is on shitpost.
gnutrino@programming.dev 11 months ago
That’s for what comes after the Tacos I think.