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• CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Something smart enough to recgonize the people, what they mean, learn their schedule, and understand how to decieve them, is something that should not be kept in captivity for our amusement.

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  • aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    A lot of animals are capable of learning. More importantly they’re capable of feeling. They should not be exploited in the same way that octopi should not be exploited.

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  • Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Quite right, they should be given badges and guns.

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      Eight guns.

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    • ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This octopus, let’s give him boots, send him to North Korea

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  • snooggums@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Every animal can react to their environment, including avoiding predators. Not all of them do it perfectly, but it is a basic survival skill for mobile life forms.

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    • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The stories I here about Octopi make them sound more like an intelligent creature we don’t understand rather than “lots of creatures escape their cages to go hunting and then return before anyone notices. This is natural behavior for an animal.”

      Yes, the mind of an octopus is unknowable, and it could be just acting on instinct. It could also have some measure of sentience, and there is no way to really know. As such maybe we should err on the side of caution and not keep them in little pens for us to gawk at.

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    • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It could also hide from predators in an aquarium where it will be brought food every day and get medicine from a veterinarian if it gets sick. An Aquarium is the safest place for the octopus to live, so why wouldn’t it’s survival instinct tell it to live there to hide from predators?

      We should set up an experiment with an aquarium that allows the octopus access to the ocean. Do you really think the Octopus would run away from the aquarium where it’s safe from predators and gets fed every day?

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  • ameancow@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    And especially should not be farmed or eaten alive for clicks on youtube. We did good as a society reducing the barbaric practice of eating shark-fin soup and other exotic animal products, and made great strides in ending torturing sea mammals in amusement parks. We have to add octopus to this list of things we now know better about.

    Octopus feelings and are higher animals with unique personalities and ways of experiencing the world. They are curious, they are intelligent, they dream and seem to show emotions in a variety of ways.

    And our last common ancestor didn’t even have a backbone. This fact alone should amaze us and give us hope for the greater universe - that we can share so much with something so very distant from us gives hope that if we ever do contact aliens, we might share more than we think.

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  • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The octopus went back to it’s tank after getting a snack. That’s at least some indication the octopus likes living there.

    You are assuming the octopus prefers living out in the wild where it could be eaten alive. Who are you to assume what an animal wants?

    Are you currently living in some kind rectangular structure where you have easy access to regular meals? Why are you living in this way and assuming an octopus wouldn’t also prefer this? There’s nothing preventing you from leaving the rectangular structure you’re currently living in and going out into the wilds and fending for yourself to survive. Why don’t you do the thing you’re assuming the octopus wants to do?

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    • flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Or it was too much of a gamble raw-dogging it in the outside.

      All it did was take the ‘bait’ it was aware of and sneak back undetected. For all we know it might have been exploring, but in a hostile environment you wouldn’t venture far…

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    • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Who are you to assume what an animal wants?

      I am quite literally not doing that. I am saying “we don’t know so we shouldn’t imprison it for our amusement” which does not strike me as a very extreme statement.

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    • thejoker954@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I mean the government stops you - at least in the USA. If they find you, no matter how ‘responsible’ you are being they will charge you/kick you off the land unless you “own” the land.

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  • FatVegan@leminal.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    But “dumb” animals are fine? We even torture them because we think they taste cool.

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    • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Where did I say that?

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  • jordanlund@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    And they do all that with a CRIMINALLY short lifespan. 😟

    octonation.com/octopus-lifespan/

    “For example, the Common Octopus, Mimic Octopus, and Blue-Ringed Octopus live for around 12 – 18 months whereas the Giant Pacific Octopus can have a lifespan of 3-5 years!”

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• jordanlund@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Multiple similar stories:

  youtube.com/shorts/iork5qOyCNs

  mishpacha.com/octopus-escapades/

  My favorite is one who would squirt water at lights to turn them off.

  www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-36051623

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• chickenf622@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I would believe it, those fuckers are smart and if they were social creatures I think they would be in competition with humans for the dominant species . This is an opinion of a person not super well versed on octopi so take this with a good size grain of salt.

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  • Sphks@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Their lifespan is an issue. They live around 2 to 3 years before dying.

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    • Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Also, the act of reproducing kills the mother. Basically starved to death protecting the eggs. No generational knowledge.

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  • baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    there are social octopuses, like the larger pacific striped octopus. imo octopuses had 150 million years to rule the planet and they just weren’t good enough. skill issue. us humans only had 2-4 million years. i’d say we’re doing quite well comparatively.

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    • Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Maybe their version of “rule the planet” involved mostly just hanging out in their den and thinking interesting thoughts.

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    • scratchee@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They ruled the planet for 150 million years and didn’t ruin the environment once ? What are they even doing?

      We’re clearly superior, who else could speed run the mass extinction end game?

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    • adhd_traco@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t think domination is actually intelligent or smart.

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  • sudoshakes@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Octopi if the base word was Latin. It’s Greek, so octopodes for plural. Technically.

    Because English is a bastard if a language octopuses and octopi are fine too.

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    • grue@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I nominate “octopodusai” to be the new English plural. (Where’d the “a” come from? To make it easier to confuse ‘ai’ with æ because fuck you, that’s why, of course!)

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    • GandalftheBlack@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If it was Latin, the singular would be octoped(e) and the plural would be octopedes

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    • MagicShel@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Octopodes?

      Ahk-top-o-deez nutz.

      English can always make things worse.

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    • ryedaft@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So “eight foot” and “eight feet”?

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  • NaibofTabr@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Fire is a major limitation.

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• BogeyTheSwear@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If i was a .ulti Billionaire i would dedicate my vast wealth to building an Institute that breeds only the most intelligent octopi with each other.

  They don’t live so long, so generations go by fast. I bet we could speedrun evolution of we just put our money where our tentacles are.

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  • Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I know that you mean well, but that is an extremely ‘Evil Billionaire’ thing to do

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    • Silic0n_Alph4@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Perhaps, but one must consider BogeyTheSwear’s Cephalopod:

      1. It is inevitable that super-intelligent octopuses will evolve eventually.
      2. When they do evolve, they will inevitable consider humans to be delicious snacks.
      3. As intelligent beings, they will of course look kindly upon their creators - mythical or billionairical.
      4. Therefore, the only safe and rational course of action is to invest all of one’s energies into bringing forth these humanity-munchers with all due haste, so as to preserve oneself as a creator in their perfect eyes. Either working against their awakening or having nothing to do with it at all is ultimately condemning your bloodline for all eternity to be a nice little midnight snack.

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  • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If you want to read a book about super intelligent cephalopods Children of Ruin the second book of the Children of Time book is interesting.

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  • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    we could speedrun evolution if we just put our money where our tentacles are

    Found the cephalopod.

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  • CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Their main issue is being antisocial jerks, they don’t co-operate so they can’t share knowledge and the females die careing for the eggs (which again they might not if they worked together) so they can’t pass anything onto their young either. The jerk part is they also eat eachother sometimes.

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  • Sculptor9157@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Intelligence is a cost in evolution, so it doesn’t keep until neccessary.

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    • I_am_10_squirrels@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This would be directed evolution, not natural selection, so we decide what to keep.

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    • BogeyTheSwear@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So we just make it really dangerous to be dumb.

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• Saryn@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Ah, so an octopus is overqualified for the position of US President. Good to know.

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  • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    My turd from this morning is overqualified. You set the lowest bar known to men.

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    • Warl0k3@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The only actual requirement is to be 35, which…

      ew.

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  • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Few octopi live to the age of 35.

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• InvalidName2@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Last time I went to the aquarium there was a specialist on reef ecology talking about all the different species of animals on display and a woman in the group behind me loudly exclaimed “Wait, fish are animals?” so I’m going out on a limb and stating that I believe there’s a considerable amount of overlap between the smartest of their species and the dumbest of ours when it comes to intelligence.

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  • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Dumb humans survive and are taken care of, dumb octopi dont survive. Most animals dont have the luxury of keeping every mutation and variation viable for survival.

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  • jordanlund@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I went to school with a girl who swore the Bible was written in English, not translated… 🙄

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• PieMePlenty@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Octopus didn’t memorize shit. They saw fish and went to get them. Security guard don’t give a fuck about the fish tanks, they were at the gate all night.

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  • Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Can confirm, have been a guard.

    ‘Rounds’ were check boxes on a piece of paper. TF do I care whether doors are secure, it’s not my department store.

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    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Can rebut; was also a guard, briefly, first with rounds at a remote pulp mill, and then pit-lamping hobos at a construction site. Raccoons and bears and cougars – oh my!

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• Jankatarch@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If it was possible to start fire under water octopi would have tribal civilizations already.

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  • thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Did you know that the correct pluralization is octopuses or octopoda, not octopi? This is because the -pus ending in octopus to es from the Greek word for foot, not prom latin.

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    • ADTJ@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Did you know that octopi has long been included in many dictionaries also?

      Language is only half etymology and half vibes

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    • Iunnrais@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The correct GREEK plural, which would be used because the root of octopus is Greek, could be octopodes. However, in ENGLISH, people have started intuiting that words ending in “~us” pluralize to ~i, akin to cacti. So this isn’t about being a Latin rule, it’s actually an emergent English rule.

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    • Bysmuth@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      After a little research it seems that “octopi” and “octopuses” have been so widely used and for so long, that dictionaries include all of them as correct. An article from merriam webster even pragmatically suggests referring to them as “octopodes” is less likely to be understood so stick with “octopi” or “octopuses”. Also, it seems “octopodes” is the more widely accepted “correct” plural and “octopoda” refers to the genus.

      But it’s an interesting topic, i wish to subscribe to octopus etymology facts(or any interesting reads)

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    • mindbleach@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Octopussen.

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      the correct pluralization is octopedophiles

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• Zerush@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    oh! there’s your keys. how’d you get them all wedged up in there, George?

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  • jordanlund@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Jesus fuck that’s a big octopus!

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    • Zerush@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Not the biggest, they can be way bigger, but different as squids, they are not agressive against humans, showing mostly reactions of curiosity, humans are not part of their prey.

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• explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The simpler explanation seems to be that the guard was eating the fish, and blamed the octopus when people noticed.

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  • Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    www.youtube.com/shorts/c98qnyLLTPg

    Apologies for the ear bleeding voice over. But it is a cool video showing an octopus opening a jar.

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  • LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Well that makes more sense. Damn guard!

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• humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  There are many documented Octopus escape/returns. But some of these details could be new/exaggerated.

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• jabjoe@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Makes me think of Children of Ruin by Adrian Tchaikovsky. 😀

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  • fakeplastic@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    We’re going on an adventure

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    • SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I love that series so damn much

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    • jabjoe@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’ll never hear, or read, that phase the same again!

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• grue@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m disappointed that this didn’t appear in my feed adjacent to the “teaching an octopus to play piano” video for a nice screenshot.

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• Hupf@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  octopuses

  Even if the dictionaries are starting to give in, I refuse to accept ‘octopi’ as a word mainly because–I’m not making this up–there’s a really satisfying climactic scene in the Orson Scott Card horror novel ‘Lost Boys’ which hinges on it being an incorrect pluralization.

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  • HugeNerd@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    octopi = 25.1327412287183

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    • selokichtli@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Approximately.

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  • vonxylofon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Welcome, fellow octopodes enthusiast.

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    • Drewfro66@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Octopodeez nuts

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• monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m not scared

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  Definitely not scared… 😳

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  • SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    T. Ocellus is too cute

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• badelf@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Octopus for President!! (more brains)

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• Zerush@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Seems so

  nhm.ac.uk/…/octopuses-keep-surprising-us-here-are…

  pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11523685/

  bbc.co.uk/…/10-incredible-facts-about-octopuses

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• mindbleach@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Octopodes only live a couple years, and thank god. They would be the menace seen in sailors’ imaginations if they just kept growing and learning.

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• TheBat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Dude was probably a stealth gamer in previous life.

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• Etlaris@lemdro.id ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  As a certified octopus I can confirm that this fact is true. 🙃

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• Bysmuth@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Did no one notice the giant puddle of water between the tanks?

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• heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I, for one, welcome our eight appendage overlords

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• Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Makes me sad tbh.

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• YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This is true. Many aquariums with octopuses have to do something similar.

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• TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  youtu.be/PcWnQ7fYzwI

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