Submitted 2 weeks ago by BrikoX@lemmy.zip to technology@lemmy.zip
“To tell you honestly, I am a lot more hurt and upset by how Twitch handled it during and after the fact.”
I can imagine that this type of celebrity attracts the most unhinged obsessed fans with borderline personality disorder and/or other potentially dangerous and antisocial behaviors.
Certainly an environment that encourages a lot of people to just be nice to everyone in stream by default (except when someone is deemed acceptable to be yelled at and laughed at by everyone else for content…) and some people are lonely enough that they read a little too much into “HI [username]!”
That’s not an excuse to assault somebody
Hold people accountable
Who’s blaming the victim?
I’m blaming the one-way relationship celebrity culture. It seems like a breeding ground for people with serious social issues.
Pointing out who is likely to be a fan of hers isn’t “blaming the victim”. It’s being realistic about what she has to deal with. It shouldn’t happen, but bad people exist. Can’t ignore that.
You need to re-read that comment
attracts the most unhinged obsessed fans
Did we read the same message?
Let’s be honest here, Emiru is literally a bland do-nothing loser who cultivated her fan… I mean cult in a certain way to make it easier for her to fleece money off of desperate men.
No one’s denying it is assault. In fact a lot of people say incident was waaaaaay too outrageous to be not considered staged. (Remember the whole Amouranth’s fake abuse case where she framed her husband & was later revealed to be bullshit.)
At the end of the day, the person will go to jail, but this was a case of their toxic manipulative behaviour backfiring on them.
dont talk about their fans like that!
30 day ban from twitch events
You cultivate these parasocial relationships with people online who pay you for them. Like.
You should be safe attending an event like this. And doing so doesn’t give anyone the right to you, to hurt you, or anything about you beyond what choose to share.
At the same time the entire streaming thing seems designed to prey upon lonely maladjusted weirdos, so while I’m not shocked that someone tried soemthing like this (I am shocked at how shitty the security was here), this isn’t super surprising.
The entire thing feels exploitative and gross for everyone involved, both the streamers and the people watching / paying them.
The entire thing feels exploitative and gross for everyone involved, both the streamers and the people watching / paying them.
Exploitation of others is the beating heart of capitalism.
No argument there.
She makes money exploiting these people, promoting their fantasies. It’s fucked from both sides.
Doesn’t she just stream herself playing video games?
I concur.
? Watching people playing games in your spare time is “being exploited”? Do we have to play games to enjoy them?
I hate to break this to you but many people who watch female streamers are not there for the games, and many streamers encourage this parasocial behavior (I don’t think emiru really does, but I don’t really watch twitch anymore). Even for male streamers I’ll see people treating donators like they’re friends and being really encouraging (only when they donate a message though). If you are one of the people who just pops in and out and watches streamers who don’t do this, then you and that streamer are not who he is talking about.
You cultivate these parasocial relationships with people online who pay you for them. Like.
Like.
Hey buddy, language rules are constructed after the fact to EXPLAIN a language, they aren’t set by the king of English to be followed.
People use “like” in real life just as they did here all the time, and people understand them. Therefore it’s language.
You’re the one that is wrong here both technically and morally.
You are the one who is dumb in this situation, not the people who have a slightly different dialect than you
LIKE. POCKET SAND. K-CH CH CH CHAWWWW
I guess it would have been more correct to write “Like-.” since that would make it clear that it was an unfinished idea. I interpreted it both as being too exasperated to finish the thought, or as leading into the following paragraph.
I’m not shocked by any of it. when you sleep with big companies like twitch or Microsoft or Google, expect to get treated like shit. you aren’t important to them, they don’t care about you. make them money and deal with your own problems.
time and time again, these companies clearly show how much they don’t care, yet people keep flocking to them.
stop trusting companies…
At the same time the entire streaming thing seems designed to prey upon lonely maladjusted weirdos
So does a place like Hooters. They’re not specifically designed to prey on maladjusted weirdos. They’re audience is older, lonely men. Not all lonely older men are maladjusted weirdos.
It’s “gross” to you because you think being single, older and a man is a red flag in and of itself bad. And saying it “exploits everybody” denies women agency, like opposing strip clubs or prostitution.
Don’t think the comparison is valid. While there will be creepers at hooters, they are more likely to already be social and accustomed to the norms. They’re out and about. Whereas there’s an undeniable mass of socially inept users that streaming specifically caters to. They have zero concepts of socially appropriate behaviour and interactions.
The older single man angle has nothing to do with it.
The entire thing feels exploitative and gross for everyone involved, both the streamers and the people watching / paying them.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. I also don’t like what happened but I am also not surprised. Everyone made a choice and consequences happened.
Twitch seems like a shit company that caters to shitty people. So none of this is a surprise
On brand for an Amazon property.
Twitch was shit long before Amazon bought them
On brand for much of the corporate world.
I mean it’s mostly teen to 20s gamers, who are not known for their empathy or socialisation skills. So yeah…
Out of all the tech ceos, Twitch CEO might be the most grounded in reality lol but yeah.
It sounds like Twitch staff didn't handle this well and Emiru is calling them out on it. Even though they claim the individual was dealt with immediately, it sounds like it took Emiru pushing for it for anything to happen and that they pressured her to do in person meet and greets when she felt uncomfortable about them. Curious beyond that how could Twitch as an organization make things safer for streamers like her.
If by dealt with immediately they let him go and just gave him a 30 day ban initially, then yes. She had to talk to her manager who then talked to Twitch who then upped that ban to a permanent one. And I don’t even think the police has been involved yet.
Amazon wanted to brush this under the carpet…
I really miss the pre-amazon days of Twitch…
screams reckless endangerment
“To tell you honestly, I am a lot more hurt and upset by how Twitch handled it during and after the fact.”
Man, I hate how hard I relate to this. I’m so used to creepy guys that it often becomes part of the background noise of being in public. I remember the first time I went to a kink nightclub, I was startled by how infrequently I was randomly groped; being in such a consent aware space made me realise how many people in a regular nightclub will use the crowdedness as plausible deniability in trying to cop a feel. That stuff is honestly so prevalent that the individual instances hardly bother me anymore (though thinking about how often it happens and how powerless women are to stop it does get to me)
However, sometimes, something happens that goes beyond this, and makes me feel genuinely unsafe and violated. Often, it’s scary because it represents an escalation of harassment, such as a coworker who becomes increasingly invasive. There have been enough times where reporting harassment or an assault has gone ignored (or worse) that now when it happens, I feel desperately anxious in not knowing whether to report a thing.
Beyond the effect of the harassment on me, I feel that it’s my ethical duty to report things like this. It would obviously not be feasible to report everything that was sus, but some things cross the line and need to be reported. However, my greatest fear in reporting something is that it may reveal the organisation to be shitty. The betrayal hurts more than the harassment. Even if it’s a big company like Twitch, which you wouldn’t necessarily expect to be giving a fuck, there’s still the desperate hope that “the system” will respond to flagrant violations of codes of conduct (and also the law). It’s demoralising when those in power act like sexual harassment and sexual assault don’t have laws against them. This undermines the law, and makes it as though it isn’t even there.
People that have weird sex are huge on consent.
Like. You don’t become a part of that community and stay in it without being super up front about all the implicit shit in other interactions.
Which may also have something to do with all the neurodivergent people involved in kink .
It’s a big part of why I love that scene of delightful weirdos. I actually was only at that nightclub because a friend was nervous about going alone, but I enjoyed the vibe so much that I went on my own a few times after that.
I’m a gay man afraid of gay bars because men think they can just touch you because you’re at bar drinking alcohol.
Gay bars can be super creepy. It’s worse for guys, but it’s also something I have experience with as a queer woman. Unwelcome groping from women happens less often for me at a gay club than by men at a straight club, but when it happens, it’s way more overt.
I wish there were more spaces for LGBTQ folk that weren’t centred around drinking. I’m fortunate enough to live in a city where there are at least some venues and events of that sort, but in some places I’ve lived, there wasn’t even a local gay bar.
Sorry that you, and other women, have experienced those things. I met my wife via online dating in 2015. She showed me some of the fucked up shit she had to put up with on one of the better dating sites; just in messages from dudes. Other women showed me the same or worse and it made sense why some women would reply to my messages with quick, short ‘not interested’ replies, likely expecting some sort of backlash from entitled dudes. I’m sure it’s only gotten worse out there with these self-proclaimed incels.
I don’t know how I would ever feel safe alone as a woman (being a cis male). Every time I watch a post-apocalyptic movie or show, I just know that being a woman in that world would mean an ever-present threat of rape and abuse to the nth degree, and even more hopeless for any sort of justice or security. The fact that so many women echo this experience now, in civilized society, doesn’t bode well for women in any societal collapse.
The streamers think they’re the stars and partners with the streaming company…
But the company is always going to treat them as products with incredibly short shelf lives under even the best conditions.
Twitch doesn’t view them as real people, and knows even if they do quit or are harmed even killed, millions of barely adults would kill to take their place.
The problem is kick, that grows up with much better revenue split while Twitch is so incompetent that they may at some point lose the first mover advantage
As much as Twitch needs gutting, Kick is much worse.
Twitch has no comepetiton. As of 2024 they had 61% of total watch time across all live streaming platfomrs. It’s the kind of share that other industries would kill to have. None of the other streaming markets or even VOD platforms can achieve these numbers.
Take music streaming, Spotify only has ~32% of the market share even though they are kind of ubiquitous with music streaming at this point.
Holy based technology community keeping me up to date on streamer drama
Can’t wait for the article on Hasan shocking his dog.
Not technology
Which posts fit here?
Anything that is at least tangentially connected to the technology, social media platforms, informational technologies and tech policy.
“Tangentially” doing some heavy lifting here.
That may be what it says in the sidebar, but this is objectively not technology
Technology definition is so broad that it could fit 90% of the general news into it.
I understand that everyone feels that technology should only apply to what they think technology is, but that’s why there is a section in the sidebar to specify what it means in this community.
I can’t even watch anything on Twitch anymore. I used to watch moonmoon, gigaboots, cohhcarnage, northern lion, etc and I just stopped months ago. It’s not fun anymore. I might tune in to watch desert bus or AGDQ but that’s about it and that’s just for background noise when those events are happening.
But the site, overall, just isn’t the same. Maybe the content got worse or I just grew out of it.
I used to occasionally watch the all MXC channel. Brings me back to 2002.
I’m basically down to just LoadingReadyRun and one other. Twitch is…something.
namedrop mich?
Twitch has been running at a loss for years I think they are trying to turn it more profitable by cramming more ads into the space which is making the platform worse for sure.
This is the event Hasan skipped because he was worried about a Charlie Kirk-like incident against him, right?
If so, he may have made the right move it sounds like…
The guy who electrocuted his dog?
A lot of victim blaming in these comments, which I find pretty surprising on a platform that’s supposed to be crawling with leftists and socially liberal people
What does this have to do with technology?
Assault is an unforgivable crime and thusly indefensible in any setting. What a fucking creep.
Furthermore, taking advantage of vulnerable people, (mostly lonely or too young to be fully developed) to fleece them for money by capturing them in an asymmetric parasocial relationship should also be a crime. These people only parasitise society and benefit from conpanies like Amazon or Twitch holding a de facto monopoly. They are part of the oligarchy.
Generally, Influencers, streamers and some youtubers (GN etc are notable exceptions) are parasitic entities that have no place in a civilized society. We’re rushing towards idiocracy at lightspeed.
Everyone involved in this is not a good person (incl the streamer), but for the purposes of public safety, has anyone identified the individual that did it? Was he at least arrested? You don’t do something like this without being dangerously fucked in the head.
gonna be honest here but its kind of a miracle that no streamer has been whacked while being live by some freak.
Twitch was started by a bunch of prepubescent rodents. They have yet to grow up.
Do these influencers have their bones reinforced with titanium so they’re always making a peace sign?
Do please more hot tub streams and then go to twitching, yea do that.
Chozo@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
Emiru did a short stream going into additional details about the incident, as well as some other fuck-ups by Twitch staff that weren't mentioned in this article.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_USuIpVAqAw
tl;dw: Emiru calls out Twitch for lying about the situation in their official statements, expresses concern for what sort of response a smaller streamer would've gotten if they were attacked like this, and draws attention to Twitch's lack of security and professionalism. Twitch staffers originally laughed about the situation to Emiru's face, and didn't seem to care until the video went viral. They ran background checks on everybody who signed up for her meet-and-greet event, but the attendees were allowed to bring a plus-one with them, who did NOT have to get background checked. Twitch staff also allowed people to walk around even after their badges couldn't scan properly.
Also, because this isn't anywhere near the first time Emiru has been attacked in public, she points out that she's spent tens of thousands of dollars for her own private security, and wasn't even allowed to bring her preferred bodyguard with her because he's permanently banned from Twitch events due to restraining a stalker during a previous event.
Twitch fucked up big time here.
ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
What the fuck? They banned her bodyguard for protecting her and then asked her to come back without him? It’s like they wanted her to get assaulted.
pulsewidth@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“Assault drama is great for algorithmic engagement” - Twitch prolly
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
It seems like they need her at their event for credibility, but she doesn’t really need them. They fucked up by not recognizing this, and now they are going to lose her drawing power at future events. And all they had to do was protect a girl from known weirdos. Nice job, dickheads.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
In fairness we’re taking that comment as face value without knowing what level of violence “restraining a stalker” entailed.
Kefla@hexbear.net 2 weeks ago
I feel crazy for even saying it, but yeah, that is exactly what it looks like to me. Like Twitch staff specifically wanted this to happen, as some sort of revenge against her for mistreating their fellow predators.
Underdone1157@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Exactly how I felt
hanrahan@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Press x for doubt
A bit closer to he got a wee bit violent and a legal bruh ha ha ensued.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There’s at least one individual inside the company that was involved in that decision. They should all have liability here, as individuals.
GaMEChld@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Banned her bodyguard :: chefs kiss ::
Great job Twitch, real A+ quality work! Hope the entire company goes bankrupt.
ICastFist@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Last I heard, it’s not exactly profitable, but it has Amazon money behind it, so that will take a while
AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
This is fucked. Fuck twitch.
AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Thanks for the additional context; I appreciate it. I was already feeling solidarity with Emiru, and I’m glad to learn more from her perspective