Missed a detail: any criticism of the scumbag is now considered “celebration” or “justification”. We hated him before he died, but now we cannot say that. Because of the Fuhrer at all.
I Got This Right, Right?
Submitted 5 weeks ago by miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com to [deleted]
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TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Dont rewrite history while its still happening, mate. Saying you dont like him because X reasons is not the issue being brought up. Its the people cheering for his death, celebrating murder and worse calling for more of it. I didnt like the cunt, but I never wanted him to fucking die. But a lot of people on this very platform are drinking and cheering. And thats ghoulish behaviour. Its not about Kirk at that point, its about the people saying it.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
If you looked at Reddit, you would see that any criticism of Kirk is largely being equated to celebration or at least supporting it.
Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Maybe it should be about the factors that led to a person murdering another person and not the bystander reactions to a notable event that happened.
fritobugger2017@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Bullshit
LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Nope, if you talk to anyone on the right currently, everything the administration is doing right now is fine and they have broken no laws.
Oh the democrats have done much worse. When i ask them what things democrats have done that are close to what republicans do, they always bring up forcing kids to become trans or giving them hormones in school.
People really are that out of touch with reality.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
They are fascists.
Period.
They fit the definition.
They are fascists.
They might be stupid fascists that don’t even know it, but that doesn’t change that they’re fascists.
RFKJrsBrainworm@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
And fascists are liars
hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz 5 weeks ago
To them any concept of socialism or human rights is considered communism or lgbtq+ . They smear themselves in fascist excrements, coming straight from the orange pudding’s ass.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
People really are that out of touch with reality.
there’s a portion that are ignorant sure. and there’s a portion that leverages that ignorance as a shield to deny their fascist motivations.
they’re both awful.
derry@midwest.social 5 weeks ago
Did they provide any real world examples?
duhlieluh@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
yeah they saw it on facebook or truth social
n0respect@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I have had the same experience and its frustrating. I mentioned Trumps claim that all his actions are legal, and his reply was “well it was ok when Biden said it”, like a knee-jerk reaction.
I had to JackieChan_WHAT.jpg while driving.
safesyrup@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
Do we know about the political views of the suspect? I know he supports guns but that does not make you automatically right wing
commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
From what I’ve pieced together, it’s a guy from a MAGA family that was recently radicalized, possibly in college towards left-wingism. There’s not that much evidence to suggest he was a far-righter himself (the groyper claims are literally just “yeah the engravings are a dogwhistle trust me bro” but many libs here are buying it), and now it’s just turning into a war of push from both sides being like “no it’s not OUR guy it’s YOUR guy!”.
In other words, it’s impossible to tell for certain due to how deliberately muddied the waters are by everyone.
5C5C5C@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
There’s equal evidence for the groyper claim as there is for the trans roommate claim, which is to say nothing but hearsay being pushed out by the Governor of Utah.
MattTheProgrammer@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
MAGA was screaming that it was a radical leftist without ANY evidence… They are just looking for an excuse to justify using force against political opponents
AndiHutch@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
He went to UVU one semester and then left and went to trade school as an electrical apprentice. I highly doubt he got radicalized at college in Utah. He was already radicalized by his parents and family in the MAGA / Mormon spheres. It takes longer than a semester to deconstruct cult level beliefs like that. There is very little to any evidence that his roommate is trans. It is all hearsay picked up from places like 4-chan then spread to right-wing rags then spread to right wing politicans. A big loooong game of telephone. It isn’t even clear he lived there at the time of the shooting. The Daily Mail said he lives with his family in a $600,000 six-bedroom home.
The reason the trans - fan fic is getting spread by right-wingers is that the federal authorities are using it to get jurisdiction from the state since that could make it classify as a hate crime. Even if the roommate is trans that doesn’t mean they aren’t a right-wing trans person. Trans people can have shitty views just like any other group of people.
It doesn’t help that the FBI and news outlets are releasing different info to different news audiences to muddy the waters. Just the meta-data of this being the 3rd trans related storyline being pushed does not inspire confidence in it’s veracity. The first TRN one was debunked and retracted, but then they claim the engravings point to trans- ideology when that isn’t really apparent. Then they come up with another one. Sorry, not buying right-wingers making shit up to blame it on trans people.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
If this kid had been “radicalized towards left-wingism” in any way, the media would be all over it and we wouldn’t be hearing the end of it.
Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
This is one of the biggest problems with our current state of polarization: we’re quick to box people into a binary; either “red” or “blue,” “left” or “right.”
Real people rarely fit neatly into those categories. When you take the time to actually map out someone’s beliefs, experiences, and values, what you find almost never looks like a solid block of one color. Instead, it’s more like a mosaic: someone might lean conservative on economic issues, progressive on social ones, independent when it comes to foreign policy, and undecided on others.
Reducing all of that complexity down to a single partisan label is not only misleading, it also fuels division. It makes it harder to have real conversations, because instead of engaging with the full person (their reasoning, contradictions, and growth), we engage with a caricature. Recognizing that most people carry a mix of beliefs forces us to slow down, listen, and resist the urge to collapse identities into overly simple categories.
The challenge is that this feels counterintuitive, especially for people who haven’t examined why they hold the views they do. It’s easier, and often more comforting, to inherit an identity or adopt a team than it is to wrestle with contradictions and gray areas. But when we refuse that deeper work, we not only misunderstand others, we also misunderstand ourselves.
In other words, the messiness is the point. People are complicated, and when we acknowledge that, we create more space for dialogue, empathy, and genuine understanding; the very things that binary polarization squeezes out.
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Is there a way to interact with this quiz that doesn’t involve me giving the NYT a dollar?
safesyrup@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
Very well said, this is how i think as well. Here in switzerland it is exactly the same even though we have 5 major parties to choose from. This is also why direct democracy in switzerland is so amazing. You choose people that represent the parliment in parties while you still can vote different in referendums than your chosen party does.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
From what I’ve heard, he was from a right wing family but there are conflicting reports on whether he himself was right wing
Krauerking@lemy.lol 5 weeks ago
Probably a libertarian. Non party affiliated has been growing as people arent into fascist Republicans vs fiscal conservative policy and they dont want to be a Democrat in those states.
I know we have this, you are one party of the other thing but i think the “others” is gonna get bigger as a group and already has.
safesyrup@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
This is what i read as well. While not likely, it is totally possible he is not right wing
Asafum@feddit.nl 5 weeks ago
I think “we’re” going to end up with a lot of egg on our faces the more they investigate. I believe his parents have already told the authorities that “he’s been getting more into left wing ideology in the recent years” so I’m pretty sure its just a matter of time before it’s “proven.”
The only thing people have to go off of now is some tenuous connection to Nick Fuentes that doesn’t seem too solid.
Doomsider@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
This kids was different. He is not one of us! /S
What was fucking hilarious was the governor got on to reassure all Utahns that he was not like his parents, community, or state when he is clearly is.
Your musings don’t matter he has already been branded by the liars as a leftist and your just here to sweep up after them like a good lackey.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
His family and city was, but it pretty likely seems he was not. Hard to be a republican if you’re living with (and allegedly dating) a trans.
onslaught545@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
It was only for one semester. And you’d be surprised how many white supremacists have had relationships with non-whites.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 5 weeks ago
I am a big time left wing guy and I love guns. Of course I believe in gun control, but I do not believe in most gun bans.
safesyrup@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
Me too. I am left wing and shoot guns weekly. I live in switzerland and it is not a issue at all because there are strict regulations. You cannot aquire an automatic rifle without special permissions.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Anyone that’s read about the lead-up to WW2 or, well, any historical instance of fascism gaining political control over a country knows that they’re going to keep pushing. They’re going to keep targeting the left. They’re going to ram through executive orders to oppress the left. They’re going to get the SC to make decisions against the left. They’re going to label nebulous entities like ANTIFA (when’s the last time you saw an ANTIFA gathering) as terrorist organizations. They’re going to end up openly calling for genocide. It’s going to happen.
So I implore everyone to arm themselves and form networks with likeminded people. You do not want to start doing this after it’s too late. If you need motivation, start reading up on 1930s Germany (the similarities are undeniable) and follow up with a list of WW2 atrocities. There’s definitely a WIKI page for it.
Krono@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
The number of similarities between modern America and 1930s Germany is shocking.
I believe the assassination of Kirk is highly analogous to the killing of Horst Wessel. Both Wessel and Kirk were far right nationalists who were killed and subsequently hailed as martyrs by their fascist movements.
Hitler brought up Wessel in all of his early speeches. The Nazis wrote songs and bullt statues of Wessel. And today we can already hear the songs about Kirk. Congressmen are passing around a bill to erect a statue of Kirk in the Capitol.
If we continue to follow this timeline closely, we are about 2 years away from our own Reichstag fire moment.
Awkwardparticle@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
So this time around, is that 2 weeks?
TwoDogsFighting@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
To be fair, 1930s got most of their ideas from the US. The country has always been sick in the bones.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Antifa is such a strange concept to me because doesn’t it stand for Anti-fascist? So making Antifa your enemy means you are fascist
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Imperial Japan is the only country in modern history to become a Fascist Theocracy. Under Project 2025, the USA is following a similar path. I always pointed to Germany, Italy and Spain, but they did not beat the Japanese in the fucked up realm of fascism.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
they love antifa because they can point at anything they don’t like and scream antifa, and now law enforcement will fall on it.
fucking fascists.
TheOriginalGregToo@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
The left loves Antifa because they can use it as cover for illegal behavior. It’s convenient that you continue to claim Antifa doesn’t exist, yet you all coordinate with each other in breaking the law. Hard to coordinate with something that doesn’t exist.
jsomae@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
Is this actually true? There’s too much disinformation about the shooter, his motivations, his identity, his family, his partner going around that I have no clue what to really believe about him.
jj4211@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I will point out one thing that should be obvious, the shooter was only 22. So it’s possible he doesn’t have a very baked and stable political ideology. I knew a hard core outwardly homophobic conservative at 17 who came out as gay and did theater by 20. I knew a fairly liberal person when she was about 18 that over the years got to a place where she publicly praised Trump and called COVID a hoax and the vaccine a conspiracy. No idea how that happened, even as I saw it first hand.
Given the situation, it is at least clear he was unhinged if he would get to this point, either way. I would have hoped this would be a lesson for people that people get dangerously moved by angry rhetoric, but a lot of folks are ramping up rhetoric instead.
Highlandcow@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
A very fair point indeed
neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
We don’t have confirmation on all of his motives yet; however what we do know about the shooter, his upbringing, lifestyle, etc. is that the poster responding to OP in the image above is largely correct.
There are indeed conflicting accounts that his roommate was trans, or his partner was, or similar. None of that’s been verified yet, and even if so, it doesn’t explain the shooter’s motivations.
What we do know about the shooter is that he largely fits the model of a deeply conservative republican, and that fits with how he was raised, his family, and as his grandmother puts it: “Their family was all MAGA”.
Going off that, and a lot of other circumstantial details/evidence, it’s clear that he was at one point a deeply MAGA character.
Beyond that or what his current motivations are? We can only extrapolate. Those extrapolations largely lead in the direction that he shot Kirk because Kirk didn’t back some of the same extremist beliefs he held. Those beliefs are similar to what Nick Fuentes believes in, which is also why he’s currently being labeled a Gyroper.
Jumbie@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
According to The Onion, he once had a trans Uber driver so that obviously makes him a leftist.
NateNate60@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
According to some right-wing spaces (r/conservative on Reddit), there is apparently evidence to suggest that the shooter was an outlier within their otherwise hard-right family.
Is there any evidence to the contrary?
jsomae@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
Fair enough, but I think we shouldn’t be basing our inferences about the shooter from his family’s political leanings. My feeling is that somebody who does something so drastic is likely enough to be an outlier from their family that we can’t really know one way or the other.
TheOriginalGregToo@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I feel like we have a pretty definitive understanding of his motivations. This is directly from Tyler when discussing why he did it, “I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.” Where is the ambiguity in this?
normalexit@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I wouldn’t trust anyone describing his political leanings or motives until court. It’s being twisted around and rumors are spreading like wildfire in a vacuum of actual leadership.
jj4211@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I’d even say all indications are that his leanings don’t matter in the specifics of this event.
It’s probably more informative that folks can credibly have theories for either leaning to lead to this event. Lots of reasons that could believably drive any political leaning over the edge if they are close.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
His trail’s probably a long way away, isn’t it?
napkin2020@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Earlier in the briefing, Gray said investigators had spoken to Robinson’s mother, who said her son had, over the last year “become more political and had started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro-gay and trans rights-oriented”.
He disclosed that the exchange with the roommate then began to explore a motive.
“Roommate: ‘Why?’ Robinson: ‘Why did I do it?’ Roommate: ‘Yeah."’ Robinson: ‘I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out. If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve it again, hopefully they have moved on. I haven’t seen anything about them finding it,’” Gray said.
I think the motivation is pretty clear at this point. Not sure how this post got 1k+ likes and no one seem to give credible source.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
My sentiment is the same. To be blunt, Lemmy is a terrible place to ask.
chrischryse@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
The politicians just want to continue spreading fear no matter the side imo
multifariace@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I heard there is video of him using a megaphone to debate Charlie at some point. I do not know where to verify this. I will be looking into it later.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 5 weeks ago
Cut the ‘deep down they know’ bullshit. They have no principles and sincerely believe that it is their opposition, or perceived opposition, that are responsible for all things that go wrong no matter what. No matter how many people Trump fucks over or have their lives completely ruined by him, they will just blame the democrats or transgender people or homosexuals or whoever else. They genuinely cannot see what Trump and his asskissers are doing and the results it is having.
ronigami@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
It’s more accurate to think of them as irrational beings with brain disease making them unable to think clearly. They have vague intuitions and a complete inability to think rationally.
58008@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
He should not have been shot. The shooter was, like virtually all such people, a narcissistic main character sociopath who only cared about his own fame and notoriety, and was likely spending too much time in the damp and mushroomy corners of the internet instead of developing an actual personality in the real world. He’s less an anti-fascist soldier and more a Travis Bickle wannabe wanker.
But Charlie Kirk was a humongous piece of shit and I am glad he’s dead. One fewer humongous pieces of shit to have to listen to. I would never advocate the murder of a man like him, and like I said, I think the shooter was a colossal cunt who unleashed way more danger and harm to marginalised groups than Kirk was capable of provoking on his own. But thank fuck he’s gone. Silver linings n’all that 🤷
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I’m glad he’s gone but this is just what the right needs to go full force Nazi as we have rightly known since it occurred.
GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
“Now, I would never advocate murder, but I’m super glad [public figure] is dead. I just wish a tree fell on them instead so it can’t be blamed on us.”
Don’t be surprised when you see this line coming back at you from the other side.
nialv7@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
We can agree that the right wing is trying to use Kirk’s death as casus belli to start a civil war against us. We are in a dangerous position right now.
But at the same time we can also choose to NOT spread misinformation like this. No, we don’t know right now what political leaning the killer has. If anything, if the evidences released by the investigation can be trusted, he is more likely to be left leaning.
Yes, the right spreads misinformation all the time to further their goals. But I think we can do better.
Jumbie@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
What evidence? So far, none of it says he is a left winger. Everything we do know points to a MAGA family and village of similar idiots with violent tendencies and a gun-loving way of life.
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Specifically what evidence released by the investigation do you feel characterizes the alleged killer as left-leaning? I have not seen any such evidence.
Electricd@lemmybefree.net 5 weeks ago
Everyone spreads misinformation to further their goals. It’s just not so obvious when it’s your side doing it. Confirmation bias
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
All that a German needs to know about this incident is two words:
Reichstag Fire
(EU pls send help 🥺👉👈)
DiskCrasher@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
They now claim he was “left leaning”. It’s a war of propaganda.
MyBrainHurts@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
I can’t speak to the shooter’s motivations (though meme forensics seems pretty silly) but the “at a Right wing state with a Right wing governor” etc bits seem pretty dumb.
It’d be like saying the guy who went after Pelosi was clearly a Leftie because it was in a Leftie state, with a Left song governor, in a Left wing city against a Left wing politician. Pretty nonsense points and make us look dumb.
Manmoth@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
His Mom said he had become more political lately. Specifically left-leaning, pro-gay and pro-trans. He left a note for his trans roommate that he was going to assassinate Kirk. He said that he “Had enough of Kirks hatred” in his discord chat and inscribed pro-trans, gay and antifascist rhetoric on the bullets.
the-independent.com/…/charlie-kirk-murder-suspect…
How is any of this right wing?
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
First of all, there is no Republican Party any longer, they are as dead as the Whigs. They should only be referred to in an historical or scholarly context.
They are the MAGA Party now. They have nothing in common with the traditional platform of the Republican Party - smaller government, lower taxes, economic/fiscal responsibility, family values, religious values, etc. MAGA embraces none of those foundational tenets, instead supporting and encouraging treason, racism, corruption, violence, genocide, pedophilia, misogyny, incompetence, ignorance, intolerance, and more.
The Dems should hold a press conference, and unilaterally, but officially, declare the death of the Republican Party, and then never refer to them again, always calling them the MAGA Party. The MAGAs are proud of being Republicans, and they will go out of their minds over this.
surph_ninja@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
“Right wing” still isn’t specific enough, as that also includes democrats.
remon@ani.social 5 weeks ago
Well, that aged like fine milk.
Nightlight17776@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
The gun he used was non binary
HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Y’all remember when ISIS attacked that theater in Russia and Russia immediately blamed Ukraine despite ISIS openly admitting to it and begging for recognition?
Yeah, this is more of the same from the party of Putin’s professional cock holsters.
TangledHyphae@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
axios.com/…/groyper-charlie-kirk-nick-fuentes-tyl…
Soon after Charlie Kirk’s assassination, some on the political left quickly spread a baseless theory that the conservative podcaster was killed by a follower of the ultra-right-wing group called Groypers.
Authorities told Axios they believe Robinson’s romantic relationship with his transgender roommate could be key to determining a motive for Kirk’s killing, and that Robinson believed that the conservative was spreading transphobic hate.
Robinson “wasn’t too fond of Trump or Charlie [Kirk],” a former coworker of his told CNN.
Reality check: As noted by Time Magazine, those who have covered Fuentes downplayed connections between Robinson and the movement.
I don’t think reality is welcome on Lemmy at this point.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
So many of these Charlie Kirk AI generated TikTok videos popping up everywhere have to shoehorn some amount of “We hate Greta Thunberg” into them. I’m beginning to suspect these people aren’t actually sad that Kirk is dead. They’re sad that Greta Thunberg is doing something infinitely more dangerous and more inspiring, yet she managed to outlive him.
TangledHyphae@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
It’s interesting that tens of millions of people know the truth of him being a radical far-left homicidal maniac, but the few thousand people here continue to circlejerk over lies. I really expected better from lemmy. Oh well, it is what it is.
imouto@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
KILL
Pardon my ignorance but is this actually banned on some dumbass platform?
Hikermick@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Gotta unite the base that was fractured over the Epstein files
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
no it would alienate thier base, if they blame the right wing group associated with fuentes. the gop could lose seats if they start recognizing that a right winger is the shooter.
minoscopede@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I don’t see why the either side is trying to disown the dude. He turned himself in. That’s so brave, and the right thing to do regardless of affiliation.
Aedis@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I thought it was a trans antifa Marxist! /s
Highlandcow@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
Don’t we not even know of the guy is truly guilty yet? There is hardly any Information about him yet to even make a good opinion
TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Electricd@lemmybefree.net 5 weeks ago
The funny thing is you can rotate things around “right” -> “left” and it will still be valid
MehBlah@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Cluster B’s never blame themselves.
Glide@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
Yeah, but why is this in shitpost, though.
miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
I’m open to suggestion!
Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
Political memes? lemmy.ca/c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world
rumschlumpel@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
Microblog posts? !micro@reddthat.com
mienshao@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
It’s not and should be reposted elsewhere
TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website 5 weeks ago
Shit Reality, Shit Post
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
It’s a Midas shitpost.