Well, this happens if you don’t respect your users.
Every support thread on Reddit is literally this now
Submitted 3 weeks ago by popcar2@programming.dev to mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
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muhyb@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
ccunning@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
…or your moderators
…or your third party developersriquisimo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
…or MY AXE!!
purplerabbit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
When Reddit’s API debacle happened lots of people moved away. Some deleted their comments, some edited them with a message in protest. But sadly the consequences is that a lot of history and useful information got lost in the process.
I don’t know how I feel about this. I understand why it’s done and even why it needs to be done, but it still makes me sad considering the amount of times where Reddit saved me from massive headaches with IT stuff and so on…
Roopappy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
As someone who deleted their posts… yes. The goal was to make Reddit worse, by removing my contributions to it because they forgot where their value came from.
My content had some small value to them. They didn’t deserve it.
ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 3 weeks ago
I hear these justifications a lot, but the conclusion doesn’t follow from the premises.
The value of the archival data that can be affected by deleting or editing is almost entirely only user-accessed value. Reddit isn’t harmed at all from the edits. It primarily needs active regular users to improve its stock value. Alternatively, it can sell archival data for AI training.
Editing old comments removes neither value source from Reddit. You moved away from it so deprived it of both the material value of new comments and the statistical value of being an active user. Reddit also assuredly has saved data from before the API issue and can likely spot and clean the mass edits to sell the data from training purposes.
Conversely, the value to users and society is high. So many solutions to problems that are gone forever. The Internet is decaying already and it gets harder to find useful information, and those leaving decided to just burn down a library of Alexandria.
It’s their - and your - right, sure. They’re by definition done on comments the user owns. But it’s about as effective as punching desperate Internet users in the face to try to make Reddit feel pain.
dickalan@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I hope they delete all your stuff when your account gets banned because I’ve left at least three of those in my wake
Auth@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Reddit undeleted a lot of the content removed during the API debacle. This comment must have been after that because you can see the latest comment is post API changes.
elvith@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
That’s why I didn’t close my account and still do a new turn of mass edits every 2-3 months. I have nothing deleted, just constantly overwritten. I get regularly banned from some subreddits after each wave, probably because some comments may trigger some sort of spam detection and edits alert the mods then.
potustheplant@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
The sad part of it is that they (reddit) can still access that deleleted information and sell it for AI training. Even as a “power” user you can use websites that “undelete” that content. The only ones truly affected by this are people randomly browsing reddit.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
I mean it does reduce the value of the content that users created on reddit if a ton of random comments were deleted in protest. Every time you hit a thread like the OOP it reduces reddit 's value to the individual, and in aggregate it reduces reddits value
wols@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Yup, Reddit fucked us all after we gave them our knowledge for free.
Trick people into thinking they’re contributing to a commons, steal the contributions and run. Very understandable that many people decided to retaliate after the betrayal.
I really hope decentralized knowledge bases take off. Aggregating niche knowledge from experts and non-experts everywhere the internet touches is such a valuable proposition!I had like one useful comment posted to Reddit. I’ve left it up, and once every few months I get a comment being appreciative for the info.
Reddit gets the traffic because of Google indexing the original post of a user with the problem. People are going to visit it regardless of whether they’ll find the answer or not. In fact, if they don’t find it, they’re more likely to keep browsing posts in the hope of finding something.fading_person@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
This is the thing with proprietary platforms. They can do anything with our data and no one can do a thing about it. It’s just a matter of time and all content in the big tech social networks will become just memories from past users. At least with the fediverse, independent parts can freely archive the content (sometimes it can be a bad thing, but well, nothing is perfect)
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
I get that it’s annoying, but reddit deserves to burn.
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Reddit as a company is 100% unaffected by this
JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
To an extent they are. Part of the appeal of Reddit was that you could find good answers there. But yeah, the idea that “long term their reputation may suffer” is hardly affecting them in any demonstrable way now.
Ledivin@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
100% unaffected? It makes their data worth a lot less for AI training. Even if they keep comment history, these are edits - how do you determine which edit to use? Using all of them poisons the data, and picking one risks doing the same.
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Sure, but the users are.
princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Good! The users add all the value to that site, moderate if for free and they couldn’t even not be cunts about it.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
they want propaganda bots mostly now on reddit.
Atomic@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Good for whom?
There’s been loads of times where I’ve looked everywhere for a solution, finally finding it on google page 10+ in an obscure reddit thread with like 10 votes and 4 comments where someone had found a weird, illogical solution to your exact problem that actually worked.
It’s a shame it went to shit. The real losers are us, we lost a lot of knowledge.
princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
That doesn’t mean I think they should get to keep that stuff. Sure, we lost a lot of knowledge there, and that sucks. But the company lost out and pushed their IPO way back for it and I enjoy seeing Spez suffer after what he did to Aaron’s legacy.
eager_eagle@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
good, but it’s not enough
Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
The comment says removed, but the user says deleted.
And because of the large number of people who not only left Reddit, but burnt bridges in doing so by using tools to delete or garble their entite post history, it’s hard to tell if this was Reddit’s doing or just that of a fed-up user who deleted their own posts when leaving the site.
popcar2@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
it’s hard to tell if this was Reddit’s doing or just that of a fed-up user who deleted their own posts when leaving
The latter, Reddit doesn’t remove your comments and posts when your account gets deleted.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I used a tool to overwrite mine right before the API bullshit went into effect, but searching for my account, it appears they were all restored.
Kn1ghtDigital@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
The former is data they can index for Google searches to make Reddit more valuable as a resource. Reddit will never remove your data.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
yea it doesnt, unless you were shadowbanned. if you got permabanned or delted your account your history isnt gone. shadowban however gets all posts hidden by other users, except yourself.
Canconda@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
tools to delete or garble their entite post history
I had a 6 year account when the API scandal hit. Paid a small fee to deny reddit whatever 2 cents my comments are worth.
VeryVito@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
13 years for me. I killed so much content.
RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 3 weeks ago
reddit comments only say removed when the mods or admins remove it. maybe the dude used a script to make all his comments say “I hate Reddit I am going to mail a pipebomb to carlos mencia in retaliation” and reddit nuked them.
WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
What’s wrong with doing that?
friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
a fed-up user who deleted their own posts when leaving the site.
9 times out of 10 that is also Reddit’s doing.
trk@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
I did the same.
Reddit showed it didn’t give a fsck about my user experience with their banning of third party apps, but they still wanted to sell the content I put the effort in to providing.
Screw you guys. You want to make money off hosting my words, whatever. But don’t stick a pineapple up my arse at the same time and expect me not to feel it.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I still use old reddit and I have an extension on iOS that modifies it to be usable on a phone.
PlantPowerPhysicist@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
Thanks for getting me to finally run one of these scripts to scramble and delete everything in my old account. Fuck every American corporation and their user experience.
poopkins@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They restored all my comments a few months later, so I’ve tried it again by editing all my comments to gibberish.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I keep checking mine, no reverse yet. Been a few months, 2 since my last purge
kaotic@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I really need to go back and delete all my posts, I just dropped it and never went back.
tama@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
…medium.com/how-do-delete-all-your-reddit-comment…
It’s a pain in the ass to do it manually. I used this script and it helped a lot.
axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 2 weeks ago
just say something that will you get you banned and they will delete all your comments and posts and your profile. they will appear as
[deleted]. much easier tbh
beejboytyson@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Does that help the fight? I was under the impression that they got to keep all the old info
kuhli@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
They do, but it makes the site less useable for people, which is a win
Iceblade02@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What I did was mass edit all my comments. According to reddit customer support (about a year ago at the time), they do not retain old versions of edited comments.
astutemural@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
Samskara@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
You‘re harming people looking for help and support more than you harm Reddit.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
And Reddit took people’s goodwill to give free advice their and generate revenue from it for granted.
Shayeta@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Which harms Reddit more than anything, as people will look elsewhere.
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Reddit already only allows Google to scrape them now, so as far as I am concerned it is a dead site. Removing my comments is worth it to not feed the monopoly that is Google.
eezeebee@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Thanks, SPEZ!
dohpaz42@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Fuck that pedophile wannabe.
AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Don't forget racist, too!
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Well said, I fully support it. Let’s hope at least this place doesn’t turn into 1984 too.
REDACTED@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
What a spezhole
PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yeah… I did this too when leaving. Made a small app to edit and delete every comment I made. I actually had a useful IT related self hosting post which was also nuked. I guess that’s the price the whole community had to pay for reddits thirst for profit.
Ray3x10e8@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
Can you post your app on GitHub? Many of us would love it.
PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I think someone in this thread posted a similar thing that’s probably better. When I left, there wasn’t anything like it so I had to cobble something together.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I heard of a rumor; all of reddit was frequently backed up and available for download
I don’t know about “available for download” (probably not), but: modern websites tend to have their content stored in a database, and databases are (or should be) regularly backed up to tape drive or optical disks or whatever. This means, fundamentally, that everything ever posted to a social media site like reddit or facebook will be in existence permanently, regardless of what efforts users take to subsequently delete their history from the current instance of the database.
The only way to truly “delete your data” would be to re-mount each old backup and delete the data in each of them before re-backing them up (or else destroying all the backups). No social media site does this or even could do this. Furthermore, when it comes to keeping your comment history out of the clutches of AI, I would almost guarantee that when a site like reddit sells its data to companies to train the AI on, they are selling old backups from before users started mass-deleting their posts.
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
There was pushshift, but it’s locked down since the API thing, there’s pullpush.io, but that seems down atm. Also there is reveddit. I think most or all of these do not store content that has been deleted by the user though.
Almacca@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
I wished I’d deleted all my comments and posts before deleting my account.
dickalan@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I wonder what happens to your account when you get banned
ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Believe it or not, straight to the AI farm.
Almacca@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
From what I can tell, it continues to exist, but you can no longer post.
starlinguk@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They will just put them back. Your stuff isn’t really deleted.
MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
foggy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Good.
They went public and made bank on free user input. Those users rebelled so the platform would suck.
It may still be standing but I feel we won over a year ago.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
stackoverflow be like
"hey i have this problem and i can't figure it out"
posted 10 years ago
"nevermind i figured out it so all is good"
posted 10 years ago
piefood@feddit.online 3 weeks ago
Even worse is: "Here's a link to where I found the solution"
404
gravitywell@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I made sure to remove all my posts before i left when they started blocking anonymous vpn users. 3 accounts across 15+ years all gone because of their stupid policies.
RagingRobot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Awesome!!! Post your questions here instead
octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Fuck Spez!
nightlily@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
They just added comment history hiding as well, so now you can’t even tell if some people are engaging in good faith anymore.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I love that people are removing the solutions, but keeping the “holy shit you just saved me 2-3 full quarters of work”
Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
WTF? View removed comment?
PMmeTrebuchets@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
How would I go about doing this? I want to nuke all my comments since I know deleting my account won’t
Brett@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
I wish we were at the point where its applicable to every support question. fuck reddit. the company. not the knowledge base provided by its users.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
It’s annoying, but it had to be done.
lemmyknow@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
NJSpradlin@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Remember, the capitalization of recourses like this is a planned attack against the lower, middle, working class from uniting against the elite and capitalistic agenda. Reddit was a sharing of knowledge, and the control of knowledge, to the elite, should be solely within their control, and the sharing of knowledge the to aforementioned working class groups is a direct assault on their power.
That’s why they bought Reddit out and sunk it.
It’s not just ‘Fuck Spez!’, sure he caved and monetized Reddit, but his actions were just a symptom of the wider issue; capitalism is another tool designed by the elite to subjugate the working class.
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
I did my part to protest Reddit’s awful policies by nuking everything I’d ever posted to deny their ability to give it platform. Less information = site less useful.
A drop in the ocean really, but a lot of people did the same which the Reddit admins did take notice of. Not that spez cared anyway because he’s a cunt.
I like seeing blank comments on there now. It’s often a sign of somebody else who got fed up with Reddit’s bullshit.
GoddessGundy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I have to say I was having issues using reddit on my browser, it was a simple html issue where I couldn’t break paragraphs, and I went to the support sub and they fixed it within 2 days.
I’ve had mods ban me for visiting, not commenting or posting, just viewing a post from another sub. I’m sure I got shadow banned plenty of times. I left because of the users. I disagreed that someone should Go No Contact with their dementia suffering grandpa for being racist and I felt like I was going crazy with the commenters who tore me a new one.
I stayed for while after because fuck, I’d been on reddit since it had r/all and not much else. I blocked out the one that got me to quit for good. I don’t even want to check back in for curiosities sake because fuck them. I wasn’t wrong in the slightest.
Cypher@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Just the cost of pissing off all the highly technical users who helped build the place.
Hadriscus@jlai.lu 3 weeks ago
Exactly. Just used Redact myself a few weeks ago.
github.com/Aryanb1102/Redact-Reddit-Data-Deleter
Albbi@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I wish I’d done that. I deleted my 12 year old account right before learning about these tools.
7U5K3N@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Thanks! Doing this tomorrow
Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world [bot] 3 weeks ago