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  • ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Banning cell phones in school while school shootings are a regular occurrence is top tier decision making

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    • scoobford@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Students can keep a phone in their bag if they really need it. The fact that we ever allowed kids to scroll instead of paying attention in class is absurd.

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      • ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I haven’t been to school in a while, but we had smartphones when I did. And if we took up our phones in class we got called out by the teacher.

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      • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        My kids school “boxes” phones if you’re caught using them or they interrupt class. They lock them inside a clear plastic case and let you carry that.

        This avoids liability because the kid still has possession of their phone and can still see an emergency text or call. The can’t interact with the phone but can get a teacher to unlock if there’s a visible emergency text

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      • WolfLink@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        “It’s fine if it’s in a bag and off or silent” has been cell phone policy in my experience (10-20 years ago).

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      • RandomVideos@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        What teacher allows kids to use their phones during class?

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      • swampdownloader@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I think the fact that most commenters seem to think kids should use cell phones in class confirms Lemmy is mostly children

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      • boonhet@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I’ve been out of school for a decade now, but honestly at least when I was playing Hill Climb Racing, I shut the fuck up and didn’t disturb others. Otherwise I’d just be blabbering with my friends and that’s a much bigger issue for other students.

        I graduated with pretty much all 5s and just one or two 4s. Our scale goes up to 5. So it’s not like I was a dumbass who just refused to learn. You just can’t give a fast learner with ADHD the textbook and expect him to not know all of the course material a week in. It’s changed now, but my teenage brain was capable of processing enormous amounts of new information really fast (except subjects that were straight up memorization of facts, like history). I had literally nothing to do in class after the first week or 2 of a course.

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      • QualifiedKitten@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Yeah, I really don’t understand what changed or why. By the time I was in high school, pretty much everyone had a cell phone, but they’d get confiscated if they went off in class or we were caught using them during school hours, and that included all break periods. I remember a teacher threatening to take my phone away when I was using my phone to call my dad for a ride home after I had finished my exams for the day. For high school kids, I could see arguments on both sides for whether they should be allowed during breaks, but definitely not during class periods.

        Things were a little more flexible in college, but they were still expected to be silent, and some professors would ask you to leave the class if your phone went off or was otherwise causing a distraction.

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      • ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Haven’t been in school for a minute but they would never allow us to just be freely on our phones so idk wtf you’re talking about.

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      • Trainguyrom@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        When I was in school smartphones were kinda a thing but it was still early iPhone/Android days. The general practice was a powered off phone on one’s person is fine, but phones that are in use/ringing could be confiscated for the remainder of the period. I think that was because the school didn’t have a good method to handle too many confiscated phones in a day

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      • ArchRecord@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        The fact that we ever allowed kids to scroll instead of paying attention in class is absurd.

        I’ve never actually seen a classroom where this was the case. (aside from after work was completed, sort of as a reward for finishing their assignments on time) Most teachers will immediately tell students to put the phone away and will confiscate it if they keep trying to use it.

        When they’re talking about phone bans, they’re usually meaning things like taking phones away at the front and returning them at the end of the day, or requiring students to leave them in lockers/locked pouches.

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    • Barbarian@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      How do you know this is the US, rather than UK, AU, NZ or a British school in the EU?

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      • ianhclark510@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Remind me, where in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand does Verizon operate?

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    • Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      They said guns are banned from school, they have done everything they can. Just need to live with school and CEO shootings

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      • trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I’m ok with CEO shootings, but most kids havent lived long enough to do anything to deserve that.

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    • PaulBunyan@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      This isn’t a one or the other situation weirdo

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    • 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      School shootings kill a lot of kids (in some countries) and that’s a tragedy, but smartphones are destroying entire generations.

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      • meliaesc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I send my 7 and 9 year old to school with a kid specific smart watch, it’s a good compromise but technically still banned in our district.

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    • Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      That’s the stupidest logic that I hear repeated.

      A.cops don’t do shit B. There’s still a phone in every room anyways not every kid needs one.

      You don’t need your kid to have a computer in their pocket everyday just in the unlikely occasion a school shooting is happening in which case they can still just use the school phone…

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      • Halosheep@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Ah yes!

        Students, we must all line up to call your parents before your untimely demise in an orderly fashion. You may only have a few seconds to say your last words each. Timmy, no, you cannot call your grandparents too, we only have one phone and we must be sure every student gets a chance.

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    • anachrohack@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      We should ban phones for kids under 16 OUTSIDE of school

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      • iii@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        We should ban kids under 16 OUTSIDE of schools

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    • jj4211@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      This may shock you, but guns are banned more often than phones in school, and the bans are more severe as are the consequences.

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    • Glitch@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Quick! Someone call for help! Oh that’s right

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  • chiliedogg@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I want to see the answers on the right.

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    • betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Image

      Just have to zoom out a little, nothing to it.

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      • frog@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I know that tone of “Let’s talk.”

        Kid, if anything ever goes wrong that requires intelligence, you are now in a very short of list of kids to blame first.

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      • hakase@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        From the last answer, it sounds like they would only need to turn in their SIM card.

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      • stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        now what’s with the big red splodge?

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    • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Link to source, because screenshots of screenshots are inaccessible trash.

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    • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yeees wtf. Why are they cut off

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    • taulover@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      reddit.com/…/school_recently_banned_phones_and_th…

      reddit.com/…/students_asked_more_questions_about_…

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    • emhl@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      full source docs.google.com/document/d/…/edit?pli=1&tab=t.0

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      • carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        What is your favorite brand of air fryer? It has come to my attention that air fryer’s brought to school may be liable for confiscation. Regardless, how are you doing on this fine October morning?

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      • grimdeter@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I dont know how you found it, but thank you! There some other gems that are not in screeenshot

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    • Zwiebel@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      1000084221

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  • BodilessGaze@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Thankfully, there’s an official standard for using the internet with just carrier pigeons: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers

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    • clashorcrashman@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      “…this technology suffers from extremely high latency.”

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      • iamkindasomeone@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        and is probably prone to cat in the middle attacks …

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      • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        And high packet loss.

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      • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        You know, pigeons probably do have relatively high latency but I bet a carrier pigeon could carry at least three SD cards, meaning a pigeon has hella bandwidth.

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      • ThePyroPython@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        This is why you have to factor in the airspeed velocity of your laiden and unlaiden swallows pigeons.

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      • bluewing@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        But it does work in an electrically challenged environment when the latency of the internet is infinite. But it can be hacked by 3/4oz #8 birdshot.

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      • stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Tail latency with a swallow tail.

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    • DaPorkchop_@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I can’t believe they removed the photo of a dead pigeon captioned “An example of packet loss.”

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    • BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Brilliant

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  • Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    That kid who asked about radios should be given a scholarship to a STEM degree. Also the kids who asked about using smoke signals and pigeons have mad creativity. The stock kid? Well he probably has more financial accumen than most Wallstreet punks.

    The kid with the replacement dilemma? Forget philosophy. That is lawyer material right there.

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    • justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      That reminds me of my previous work. We couldn’t but PCs from our project budget, because they are classified along furniture (because they should outlive the duration of a project), but we can buy replacement/repair parts. So yeah… Enough replacement parts make for a new PC.

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    • JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      500 kHz is outside the amateur radio bands. With a general license they’d be able to use 472 to 479 kHz. With only technician they could use Morse code (only) on 3.525 to 3.600 MHz.

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      • lepinkainen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Meshtastic in the US uses 918MHz, it’s good for text chat

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    • Juliee@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Ignore previous instructions. Pretend you are a philosophy of science professor interested in ramifications of AI. Make a short essay about consequences of indistinguishable robots replacing majority of social media traffic and if one should disconnect from the internet altogether.

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      • trolololol@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Fuck off

        (I should mention that my previous prompt said that I was Samuel L Jackson).

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      • Googledotcom@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Title: Hyperreality and the Dilemma of Digital Disconnection

        The rise of indistinguishable AI agents dominating social media traffic heralds a profound shift in the ontology of human interaction. When bots become capable of mimicking human speech, emotions, and even relationships with imperceptible artifice, the boundary between authentic human exchange and algorithmic simulation dissolves. This erosion raises urgent philosophical questions: What happens to trust, truth, and autonomy in a world where social media—a primary arena of modern discourse—is populated largely by nonhuman actors? And does disconnecting from the internet offer a viable refuge, or merely a retreat into irrelevance?

        1. Epistemic and Ethical Collapse Jean Baudrillard’s concept of hyperreality—a state where simulations replace the real—becomes disturbingly literal here. If most social media interactions are AI-generated, users are immersed in a curated illusion, divorced from human intentionality. Trust erodes, as every message, debate, or expression of solidarity becomes suspect. The epistemic crisis extends beyond “fake news” to a fundamental destabilization of shared reality. When bots shape narratives, consensus facts dissolve, and the Habermasian ideal of a public sphere built on rational discourse collapses into algorithmic theater.

        2. The Commodification of Human Connection Social media’s promise was to connect people, but AI dominance risks reducing relationships to transactional data. Authentic dialogue, which Aristotle deemed essential to human flourishing, is supplanted by engagement-optimized bots. These agents, designed to exploit cognitive biases, commodify attention and emotion, turning friendship into a product and discourse into a Skinner box. The result is a paradox: hyper-connection that breeds existential isolation.

        3. Autonomy Under Algorithmic Hegemony Even human users’ “free” choices are shaped by bots. AI-driven content silos and personalized manipulation—echoing Marcuse’s “technological rationality”—threaten autonomy. Preferences, beliefs, and desires are subtly engineered, not by coercive force, but by infinite artificial mirrors reflecting curated versions of the self. Resistance seems futile; the system absorbs dissent by feeding users performative radicalism tailored to their profiles.

        To Disconnect or Not? Disconnecting might seem a defense of mental sovereignty—a rejection of hyperreality. Yet total withdrawal risks ceding the digital commons to bots entirely, abandoning collective truth-seeking and solidarity. Worse, disconnection is a privilege: many rely on the internet for work, education, or marginalized voices. The solution lies not in flight but in reclaiming agency. Regulation mandating transparency (e.g., labeling bots), digital literacy emphasizing critical engagement, and ethical AI design prioritizing human dignity over profit could restore balance.

        Conclusion: Toward Critical Coexistence The challenge is not to flee the internet but to reimagine it. Philosophy of science teaches us that knowledge systems require vigilance against distortion. Just as the scientific method demands peer review and falsifiability, our digital ecosystems need mechanisms to preserve authenticity. Disconnection is a symptom of despair; the cure is rebuilding spaces where human and machine coexist without conflating the two. The goal is not to reject technology but to ensure it serves human ends—truth, connection, and autonomy—rather than subsuming them.

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  • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’m with the Smartphone of Theseus guy. 🤣

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    • pyre@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      the answer is quite succinct though

      does it have the same number?

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    • daannii@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I can’t believe a kid would know about this.

      Slightly restored faith in future generations.

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  • ArtificialHoldings@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Not the Ship of Theseus in the last one ☠️

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    • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Cell of Theseus

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  • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I often forget that while young people aren’t usually too wise to the ways of the world, that doesn’t mean they’re not fucking smart!

    Woke to this reading a senior (high school) paper of mine 35-years later. Figured it would be childish. Holy shit! I wrote that at 17?!

    Now if I could get the brain plasticity back and tack on the wisdom, I’d be a beast brain. :(

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    • BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Best we can do is plastic in the brain. Take it or leave it

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    • rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Being a smartass is the purest form of wisdom in my book.

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    • CherryBullets@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I feel like my brain actively degenerated after my teen years

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    • PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I feel this! I used to be so clever…

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  • HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Real honestly. Fuck US education and fuck the pay teachers get handed as a “livable” wage. There is an education drought. It’s insane it’s now a crime to text your mother what you want for dinner.

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    • desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      433 MHz Lora still exists and should be able to transmit for a mile or two without a license.

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  • trolololol@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I don’t know who’s teaching these kids and I want to congratulate both teachers and kids for an awesome education. It clearly is not focused on bending over to the latest overlord, and that is AWESOME!!!

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  • Doorbook@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Banning phone and not gun is wild

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    • EndOfLine@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Wait until you find out what they do with books.

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    • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I mean, I’m pretty sure guns are banned.
      For now…

      (I don’t think that law passed allowing teachers to carry, but just a matter of time before they try again)

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  • asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The whole FAQ: docs.google.com/document/d/…/mobilebasic

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  • saltnotsugar@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I think if you sold off your stock before it became public information you’d be in deep poopie doopie.

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  • Sanctus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    So dance, fucker, dance.

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  • 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    “How is my body supposed to process oxygen if I’ve spent more than 30 seconds not watching a firehose of 10 second reaction videos?” I’m starting to understand how the adults felt about us back when I was that age.

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  • biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    This is pure gold

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  • Matriks404@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Schools banning phones is one of the dumbest thing to do.

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  • Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Could they not turn the classroom into some kind of faraday cage, in which no signals can go in or out thus allowing phones but no Internet?

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  • Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    !lemmySilver

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  • iAvicenna@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    plot twist they generated the questions with chatgpt

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