Some of us are simply europeans.
Are most people here left-wing?
Submitted 1 day ago by Hickak@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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landflucht@lemm.ee 2 hours ago
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 4 hours ago
if by left-wing you mean i think more than 3 months ahead, then yes.
MoonlightFox@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
I believe all life have value, no matter what. I believe in justice and equality. I believe in the rule if law. I believe in democracy. I believe in the freedom of speech. I believe in religious freedom. I believe no one should go hungry. I believe no one should freeze. I believe no one should die from preventable diseases. I believe everyone has a right to education. I believe everyone has a right to healthcare. I believe everyone has a right to participate in society and the internet. I believe everyone should contribute if they can, because that is fair. I believe people should be able to retire. I believe most people are good, and want to do good. I believe in cooperation, and working towards a common goal. I believe that all people should have a minimum set of rights, that are non-negotiable. I trust my neighbours, my family and strangers.
Based on these values I could be placed anywhere from center-right to far-left in Europe.
In the US I am a filthy commie
Agent641@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Lefty Lemmy righty reddit
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
Slashers slashdot
viking@infosec.pub 2 hours ago
I’d consider myself liberal, but I embrace some traits considered leftist in some areas (universal healthcare, free education) and right in others (restrict immigration based on key economic and educational indicators, deport criminals).
Wilco@lemm.ee 7 hours ago
I’m Independent, but cannot support Republicans anymore … so I guess I’m a Democrat that hates gun control.
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
if you go far enough left, you get your guns back. :)
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Most people are progressives.
The only disconnect is messaging and image.
uuldika@lemmy.ml 11 hours ago
I’m a left libertarian. I embrace decentralization, collectivism, freedom from corporate and central government tyranny, and want to maximize individual liberty and progressive values as we ideally move towards a society like the Culture series by Ian M. Banks.
I’m not Anarchist because it’s too chaotic and unrealistic, and I’m not ML because I don’t like State authoritarianism and central planning.
TheDoozer@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Can you give some examples of how that works? Like, who pays for roads, who handles environmental regulations (or are there any), who establishes education standards (or are there any), etc. I’m not trying to argue, it just seems like on the internet people referring to “state authoritarianism” and “central government tyranny” ranges from “adults can’t be transgender” to “I have to pay taxes and the government won’t let me own slaves.”
uuldika@lemmy.ml 6 hours ago
There’s a few ways to handle, but for example:
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Roads: large towns and cities would mostly handle their own road maintenance. Roads connecting towns would probably be joint ventures. Projects would be funded and contracted by the towns and financed by town income tax. Rural areas would be underfunded, but that’s partly intentional - dense population centers are more sustainable.
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Environmental regulations: handled at the level of impact. for example, water quality standards for a river bind everyone who accesses the river. restrictions (e.g. standards for heavy metal levels) would be passed by minority vote - if 40% want a standard, that’s enough. carbon credits would be administered at the Federal or World levels, by a combination of central government and treaties.
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Education: probably pretty devolved, mostly a choice by municipalities in what they offer/teach. there’d likely be standardized tests that most places agree on for transferability (e.g. how the SAT works today.) religious schools could exist in religious communities, or you could have a Montessori program in your secular socialist Kibbutz.
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Slavery: illegal at the Federal/World level. same with indentured servitude and coercive contracts. one of the most important functions of the central government is to protect the civil liberties of individuals.
So the principles are mostly:
- Externalities are handled at the level of their impact.
- More power locally, less power centrally. City governments are more like micro-nations bound by a sort of EU.
- Cities largely have a lot of direct democracy with some representatives. Critically, city governments wield lots of power over the businesses that operate in the city. This is critical to check corporate power.
- Federal government exists as a backstop to safeguard fundamental rights and for truly national concerns.
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IndieSpren@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
yes
bfg9k@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Yes, this site is very left-leaning. I have seem plenty of moderate opinions downvoted because they are centrist or centre-right, and the anti-Trump, anti-Elon and anti-USA sentiment is deservedly heavy right now.
Keep that in mind when reading comments, this place is a bit of an echo chamber at the moment.
zxqwas@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
My priorities in politics is:
- Don’t wreck the economy.
- Uphold the rule of law.
In my country that makes me right leaning. In the US with the current president that apparently makes me a leftist.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Oh dear, here come the tankies!
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 22 hours ago
You communist!
NeilBru@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
There is no such thing as liberalism — or progressivism, etc.
There is only conservatism. No other political philosophy actually exists; by the political analogue of Gresham’s Law, conservatism has driven every other idea out of circulation.
There might be, and should be, anti-conservatism; but it does not yet exist. What would it be? In order to answer that question, it is necessary and sufficient to characterize conservatism. Fortunately, this can be done very concisely.
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:
There must be in-groups whom the law protectes but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
There is nothing more or else to it, and there never has been, in any place or time.
For millenia, conservatism had no name, because no other model of polity had ever been proposed. “The king can do no wrong.” In practice, this immunity was always extended to the king’s friends, however fungible a group they might have been. Today, we still have the king’s friends even where there is no king (dictator, etc.). Another way to look at this is that the king is a faction, rather than an individual.
As the core proposition of conservatism is indefensible if stated baldly, it has always been surrounded by an elaborate backwash of pseudophilosophy, amounting over time to millions of pages. All such is axiomatically dishonest and undeserving of serious scrutiny. Today, the accelerating de-education of humanity has reached a point where the market for pseudophilosophy is vanishing; it is, as The Kids Say These Days, tl;dr . All that is left is the core proposition itself — backed up, no longer by misdirection and sophistry, but by violence.
So this tells us what anti-conservatism must be: the proposition that the law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone, and cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.
Then the appearance arises that the task is to map “liberalism”, or “progressivism”, or “socialism”, or whateverthefuckkindofstupidnoise-ism, onto the core proposition of anti-conservatism.
No, it a’n’t. The task is to throw all those things on the exact same burn pile as the collected works of all the apologists for conservatism, and start fresh. The core proposition of anti-conservatism requires no supplementation and no exegesis. It is as sufficient as it is necessary. What you see is what you get:
The law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone; and it cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.
- Frank Wilhoit
60d@lemmy.ca 16 hours ago
Thanks, Frank! Very eloquently put!
Forester@pawb.social 1 day ago
This is a platform full of new people adventurers change makers. The majority of people who would be interested in this platform will have a more progressive bent. So the majority of people here will be more accepting of liberal policies.
Nemo@slrpnk.net 1 day ago
Quibble: Many here are explicitly leftist, in the a leftist-not-liberal sense, and will even use “liberal” derogatorily. So, progressive, yes, but liberal, not necessarily.
libra00@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Good point, many think left = liberal = US democrats who are centrists at best from the international perspective. So no, most people on here probably aren’t actual leftists, but I’m guessing when they say they ‘lean left’ they mean US-liberal-not-conservative, not socialist or whatever.
hypnicjerk@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
to make matters more fun, many ‘explicitly leftist’ lemmings are tankies (blind supporters of russia, china, north korea, etc), who are explicitly not leftist but authoritarians masquerading in the skinsuit of the people’s revolution.
Forester@pawb.social 1 day ago
From my perspective I think that that is very silly. I don’t care for purity tests, but what would I know? I’m just a dirty libertarian.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 day ago
it’s full of new people,
Don’t be ridiculous. I’m not a new people. I’ve been a people for almost my whole life. I bet most of us have.
libra00@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Not me, I’ve only been a person for the past couple years. Prior to that I was a caffeine-powered AI.
thisdude1092@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Just say yes
AA5B@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
For sure, left wing are most of what I see here, except for trolls and bots
If I needed a label, probably Progressive. I liked Biden’s platform and agreed we needed to try a centrist like him to see if it was possible to start working together again. I also believed he did at least as well as anyone could, and if his legacy hadn’t been torn to bits by turnip would have positioned the US well for decades to come. He could have shifted that Overton window, sowed the seeds that a more Progressive candidate could reap.
But if I try to articulate a common theme for my current beliefs, it is to invest in the future. I’m a strong believer in a good education for all as the foundation of our future. I’m inspired by the possibilities of science and technology.
Earlier in life I thought I was much more Conservative but the twisted thing is I now say the same things from a very different perspective.
- I’m a strong believer in family values: every family member deserves equal respect and human rights, every new parent deserves quality time with a new child without regard for work, every child deserves the best healthcare without regard for their parents income, every child deserves a top notch education and the resources to succeed at it, every elderly or disabled person deserves to have their needs met and continue a decent life.
- I believe in innovation and pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. A solid education for all allows each person the opportunity to achieve their potential. A comprehensive safety net lets each person reach for the stars without fear, lets them dare to fail without perishing, allows them to learn from a failure and try again.
- I believe in self-sufficiency and independence. Every person deserves a basic income to survive without burdening anyone else. Every person needs healthcare sufficient to recover without losing their independence, their savings, or their loved ones. People who choose city life should be able to walk out their door with only what they carry, and get anywhere.
- I believe in fiscal responsibility. Every investment to look toward the future, build a better society, a better environment, a better humanity
psion1369@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
When asked, I usually tell people that I vote Dem because it’s as close to my anarchist ideals as I can get. I would consider myself a social-anarchist, in that I feel laws shouldn’t be written around societal structures and ideals. Society and culture changes, and I shouldn’t be punished because some dude generations ago decided that something was inappropriate back then. It isn’t now, and shouldn’t be codified that way,
spittingimage@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Most people everywhere are slightly left of centre. Most leaders everywhere are slightly right of centre*.
*Not in the American sense. Y’all crazy.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 hours ago
I like to consider myself leftist. But it’s true that I don’t agree in all that most current left wing political parties stand for.
I think all human are born equal, and should have a good life. That politics should be used to improve everyone’s life.
But in the what does this mean or how to do it I feel more and more differences lately.
To give an example, I cannot really stand identity politics. I think that the best course of action is to dissolve identitarian (is that word real?) groups instead of exacerbating their differences. I feel like people should be getting rid of labels instead of having more and more labels every day.
That’s just a personal opinion, based on the idea that if you define different groups the chance of conflict between groups is bigger than if you define only one group. And I do get the idea behind identity politics within the left wing spectrum. I just don’t agree that’s the best course of action.
Triasha@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Minority groups didn’t make up identity politics, majority groups did, when they engaged in oppression of minorities.
Queer people don’t have that much in common. Straight people forced us to band together for our rights.
Gay people don’t have much in common with trans people, but straight people can’t tell us apart/treat us the same so we band together.
Disabled people, people of color, it’s similar stories.
RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
I also have a hard time with ID politics and the like, but I’m also a privileged white dude so my primary gripe will always be focused around economic disparity. The BLM protests helped me see it this way: There is not war but the class war, but there are multiple fronts. If we don’t at least try a little to protect minority groups, we won’t have any progressives left
AA5B@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
While I don’t understand gender politics, alternate pronouns and labels, I long since realized that it doesn’t matter. I’m all for everyone living their lives their way with equal respect. You do you, and be the best you you can, whatever you that may be, and I’ll be happy to call you friend
pubquiz@lemmy.world 1 day ago
By LEFT do you infer compassion, empathy, and class solidarity? In contrast, by RIGHT do you infer me-first, only my rights matter and only those in my clan deserve to be cared about?
Then, yes.
thisdude1092@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Spoken like a true liberal.
Tungsten5@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Well we know where you stand without doubt
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Not only that, I’ve tried pitching the fediverse to right wing people, but they didn’t bite.
Even the crypto bros that were all about decentralization couldn’t see why a decentralized social media platform was superior.
This also didn’t matter for people who care about “free speech”.
You think the allure of being fully independent and having your own instance would be right up their alley given how they value independence, but nope.
Seriously? Why isn’t there a right wing instance? My guess is that a right wing person can’t fathom owning something that benefits others which doesn’t give them back profit.
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
You think the allure of being fully independent and having your own instance would be right up their alley given how they value independence, but nope.
Because it’s not about freedom of speech for them, it’s about freedom to force people to listen. Having their own server where they can shout at each other all day doesn’t serve their purpose. Their panties get wet by forcing others to listen.
Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
i think there were one two right wing instances, but they got defederated from everyone
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Do they still exist? I’m honestly curious if they are active or if it’s abandoned
lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 17 hours ago
Which were they? As in what was their domain name?
FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 1 day ago
Trump’s tremendous social media platform truth dot barf runs on Activity Pub, they just don’t federate with anyone by default. It’s like they don’t want dissenting views on there. Weird.
Letme@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
“free speech”, as your quotation marks imply, does not really exist outside of theory. In reality, free speech is a set of laws governing hate speech or other dangerous speech.
Both the right and the left have ideas of what they think these laws should be.
But there is no such thing as “free speech” in the real world.
dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Because “crypto bros” care about making money, not any ideology, except in a performative sense. If you pitched the fediverse to the original researchers inventing cryptocurrency and the early adopters, they would likely be receptive. But these are no longer associated with the current crypto crowd.
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
They don’t care about making money, they care about gambling and having a gambling addiction and trying to justify it
xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 1 day ago
Why isn’t there a right wing instance?
Because all other instances would assume that it’s for Nazis and defederate.
amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 hours ago
there are 3 major right-wing instances: lemmy.ml(ran by the Lemmy developers), lemmygrad.ml(the openly fascist version of lemmy.ml) and hexbear.net.
if anyone wants to argue, I don’t. Anyone supporting Russia is right-wing.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 hours ago
Authoritarianism is inherently conservative
Sorry, but no
There’s a reason the step up from just left/right axis is the up/down of libertarian v authoritarian. Auth-left is very much a thing and is what tankies are
libra00@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Like everything on the right, decentralization is a means to an end, not a value in itself. They only care about it when it’s useful for helping them get ahead. Just like they only care about free speech when it’s them speaking to people who don’t want to hear their bullshit.
tocano@lemmy.today 19 hours ago
Maybe they would like nostr more
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 22 hours ago
Yes. Signing up is not easy. Most people here can understand written instructions and have some basic technical knowledge. People who are not stupid tend to lean left.
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
I’m team right-wing.
The right chicken wing is always tastier, so I eat that first.
Edit: Wait, this is politics? Wrong thread.
TheFudd@lemmy.world 1 day ago
See, this is why so many right-wingers are seen as simply not intelligent enough to understand basic science. Numerous studies have shown that the left-wing is on average, plumper, juicier, and more tender.
I bet you probably also believe those wing pieces with two bones are better than the big one-bone wings that look like little chicken legs, too. Typical right-winger, your brain has been melted by right-wing propaganda.
Sorry, but reality has a left-wing bias. Educate yourself, and do better.
nomy@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
I’m as left-wing as they come but to imply that drummies are somehow superior to flats is wrong-headed and shows your own biases. I’ll concede that the little chicken legs are easier (and more fun) to eat, but the quality of the delicate meat between the two little wing bones in a the flats ones makes them more of a delight to me.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
I promote right-wing policies: you should always use the right wings for your airplane, using whatever wings you happen to have left in stock is a recipe for disaster. Left-wing policies are dangerous.
BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Do Twix have wings?
arotrios@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Progressive who’s been here for a bit. The fediverse has definitely swung more left-wing recently - when I first started up two years ago there was a fair amount of conservative bs, libertarian tech-bros and russian bots - it was about a 50/50 split depending on what instance you were on.
The bot problem seems to have been largely dealt with now, and conservative voices have been more or less drowned out by the new influx of users fleeing twitter and Reddit crackdowns. Many are agreeing that the current administration is bad for everyone. There are a number of hard auth-left moral purity testers that kind of a pain in the ass that pop up from time to time.
Randomgal@lemmy.ca 19 hours ago
Yes. They are fanatics too. Like Twitter but instead of wanting to kill people for profit, IRS wanting to kill people for not being left.
Apepollo11@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Come on, that’s not true. We just want to “re-educate” you guys
Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 day ago
If you consider Democrats left wing then yes, by far the most here are left wing, since by most European standards Democrats are clearly right wing.
Republicans are extreme right by most standards. Republican (MAGA) is basically an American version of AfD!
So by that standard I guess about 80% here is left wing.NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
Yes, seemingly every commenter
emberinmoss@sh.itjust.works 5 hours ago
I’ve been on Lemmy for about two months and there is a good amount of left-leaning folks here. I definitely consider myself in the left-wing category. I hover somewhere between a bit liberal, a bit socialist, and a bit of a commie, but absolutely no authoritarianism.
piratekaiser@lemm.ee 12 minutes ago
Funny you had to put a disclaimer for authoritarianism. The world’s history and propaganda have made it synonymous with the far left, where that ideology was never about absolute power, but quite the opposite.
Ideonek@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Maybe. But your impression of it may be skewed, buceoyse there are a lot of non-USA people here. That couse some mismatch in therma that tend to overwaight the perceived size of left-leaning people. But it’s terminology, really. What in USA is considered “left” more-or-less align with what is considered left outside of USA. But what an average Trump supporter call “conservative”, in the rest of the word is simply know as lunacy.
ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
What in USA is considered “left” more-or-less align with what is considered left outside of USA
What is considered left in the USA is largely considered center or center right outside of the USA
Geetnerd@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Most current US Democrats are Neoliberal Reagan Republicans.
US Republicans since Reagan are fucking Nazis.
Ideonek@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Well, it’s a big and heterogeneous “outside” if we want to be nitpicky about it.
Korrok@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
I hope so
FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 1 day ago
Is the sky blue?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 34 minutes ago
I’m just hungry dude