This is a platform full of new people adventurers change makers. The majority of people who would be interested in this platform will have a more progressive bent. So the majority of people here will be more accepting of liberal policies.
Are most people here left-wing?
Submitted 3 weeks ago by Hickak@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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Forester@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
Nemo@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Quibble: Many here are explicitly leftist, in the a leftist-not-liberal sense, and will even use “liberal” derogatorily. So, progressive, yes, but liberal, not necessarily.
libra00@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Good point, many think left = liberal = US democrats who are centrists at best from the international perspective. So no, most people on here probably aren’t actual leftists, but I’m guessing when they say they ‘lean left’ they mean US-liberal-not-conservative, not socialist or whatever.
Forester@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
From my perspective I think that that is very silly. I don’t care for purity tests, but what would I know? I’m just a dirty libertarian.
hypnicjerk@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
to make matters more fun, many ‘explicitly leftist’ lemmings are tankies (blind supporters of russia, china, north korea, etc), who are explicitly not leftist but authoritarians masquerading in the skinsuit of the people’s revolution.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
it’s full of new people,
Don’t be ridiculous. I’m not a new people. I’ve been a people for almost my whole life. I bet most of us have.
libra00@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Not me, I’ve only been a person for the past couple years. Prior to that I was a caffeine-powered AI.
thisdude1092@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Just say yes
spittingimage@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Most people everywhere are slightly left of centre. Most leaders everywhere are slightly right of centre*.
*Not in the American sense. Y’all crazy.
landflucht@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Some of us are simply europeans.
Technoworcester@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
A right wing European is still a little bit too liberal for MAGA
galanthus@lemmy.world 6 days ago
A right wing European is also a little too right wing for Lemmy.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Not only that, I’ve tried pitching the fediverse to right wing people, but they didn’t bite.
Even the crypto bros that were all about decentralization couldn’t see why a decentralized social media platform was superior.
This also didn’t matter for people who care about “free speech”.
You think the allure of being fully independent and having your own instance would be right up their alley given how they value independence, but nope.
Seriously? Why isn’t there a right wing instance? My guess is that a right wing person can’t fathom owning something that benefits others which doesn’t give them back profit.
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
You think the allure of being fully independent and having your own instance would be right up their alley given how they value independence, but nope.
Because it’s not about freedom of speech for them, it’s about freedom to force people to listen. Having their own server where they can shout at each other all day doesn’t serve their purpose. Their panties get wet by forcing others to listen.
Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
i think there were one two right wing instances, but they got defederated from everyone
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Do they still exist? I’m honestly curious if they are active or if it’s abandoned
lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 2 weeks ago
Which were they? As in what was their domain name?
FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 3 weeks ago
Trump’s tremendous social media platform truth dot barf runs on Activity Pub, they just don’t federate with anyone by default. It’s like they don’t want dissenting views on there. Weird.
dev_null@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Because “crypto bros” care about making money, not any ideology, except in a performative sense. If you pitched the fediverse to the original researchers inventing cryptocurrency and the early adopters, they would likely be receptive. But these are no longer associated with the current crypto crowd.
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
They don’t care about making money, they care about gambling and having a gambling addiction and trying to justify it
xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
Why isn’t there a right wing instance?
Because all other instances would assume that it’s for Nazis and defederate.
libra00@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Like everything on the right, decentralization is a means to an end, not a value in itself. They only care about it when it’s useful for helping them get ahead. Just like they only care about free speech when it’s them speaking to people who don’t want to hear their bullshit.
amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
there are 3 major right-wing instances: lemmy.ml(ran by the Lemmy developers), lemmygrad.ml(the openly fascist version of lemmy.ml) and hexbear.net.
if anyone wants to argue, I don’t. Anyone supporting Russia is right-wing.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Authoritarianism is inherently conservative
Sorry, but no
There’s a reason the step up from just left/right axis is the up/down of libertarian v authoritarian. Auth-left is very much a thing and is what tankies are
Letme@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“free speech”, as your quotation marks imply, does not really exist outside of theory. In reality, free speech is a set of laws governing hate speech or other dangerous speech.
Both the right and the left have ideas of what they think these laws should be.
But there is no such thing as “free speech” in the real world.
tocano@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Maybe they would like nostr more
MoonlightFox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I believe all life have value, no matter what. I believe in justice and equality. I believe in the rule if law. I believe in democracy. I believe in the freedom of speech. I believe in religious freedom. I believe no one should go hungry. I believe no one should freeze. I believe no one should die from preventable diseases. I believe everyone has a right to education. I believe everyone has a right to healthcare. I believe everyone has a right to participate in society and the internet. I believe everyone should contribute if they can, because that is fair. I believe people should be able to retire. I believe most people are good, and want to do good. I believe in cooperation, and working towards a common goal. I believe that all people should have a minimum set of rights, that are non-negotiable. I trust my neighbours, my family and strangers.
Based on these values I could be placed anywhere from center-right to far-left in Europe.
In the US I am a filthy commie
jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I believe all life have value, no matter what.
I am also vegan.
MoonlightFox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I am unfortunately not. It was more meant as a way to say that for instance criminals (yes, even the worst ones) have value. That they deserve to live and have a decent life, no matter what.
That immigrants and asylum seekers should be treated with respect and given the help they need.
But also that animals have value. The way a lot of animals are treated is in no way acceptable.
I have tried being a vegetarian in the past, but have failed every time.
Sorry to disappoint. I wish I was better.
pubquiz@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
By LEFT do you infer compassion, empathy, and class solidarity? In contrast, by RIGHT do you infer me-first, only my rights matter and only those in my clan deserve to be cared about?
Then, yes.
Tungsten5@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Well we know where you stand without doubt
thisdude1092@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Spoken like a true liberal.
zxqwas@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
My priorities in politics is:
- Don’t wreck the economy.
- Uphold the rule of law.
In my country that makes me right leaning. In the US with the current president that apparently makes me a leftist.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 3 weeks ago
You communist!
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oh dear, here come the tankies!
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
I’m team right-wing.
The right chicken wing is always tastier, so I eat that first.
Edit: Wait, this is politics? Wrong thread.
TheFudd@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
See, this is why so many right-wingers are seen as simply not intelligent enough to understand basic science. Numerous studies have shown that the left-wing is on average, plumper, juicier, and more tender.
I bet you probably also believe those wing pieces with two bones are better than the big one-bone wings that look like little chicken legs, too. Typical right-winger, your brain has been melted by right-wing propaganda.
Sorry, but reality has a left-wing bias. Educate yourself, and do better.
nomy@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I’m as left-wing as they come but to imply that drummies are somehow superior to flats is wrong-headed and shows your own biases. I’ll concede that the little chicken legs are easier (and more fun) to eat, but the quality of the delicate meat between the two little wing bones in a the flats ones makes them more of a delight to me.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I promote right-wing policies: you should always use the right wings for your airplane, using whatever wings you happen to have left in stock is a recipe for disaster. Left-wing policies are dangerous.
OpenStars@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Do you work at Boeing? 😜
BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Do Twix have wings?
Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If you consider Democrats left wing then yes, by far the most here are left wing, since by most European standards Democrats are clearly right wing.
Republicans are extreme right by most standards. Republican (MAGA) is basically an American version of AfD!
So by that standard I guess about 80% here is left wing.NeilBru@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
There is no such thing as liberalism — or progressivism, etc.
There is only conservatism. No other political philosophy actually exists; by the political analogue of Gresham’s Law, conservatism has driven every other idea out of circulation.
There might be, and should be, anti-conservatism; but it does not yet exist. What would it be? In order to answer that question, it is necessary and sufficient to characterize conservatism. Fortunately, this can be done very concisely.
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:
There must be in-groups whom the law protectes but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
There is nothing more or else to it, and there never has been, in any place or time.
For millenia, conservatism had no name, because no other model of polity had ever been proposed. “The king can do no wrong.” In practice, this immunity was always extended to the king’s friends, however fungible a group they might have been. Today, we still have the king’s friends even where there is no king (dictator, etc.). Another way to look at this is that the king is a faction, rather than an individual.
As the core proposition of conservatism is indefensible if stated baldly, it has always been surrounded by an elaborate backwash of pseudophilosophy, amounting over time to millions of pages. All such is axiomatically dishonest and undeserving of serious scrutiny. Today, the accelerating de-education of humanity has reached a point where the market for pseudophilosophy is vanishing; it is, as The Kids Say These Days, tl;dr . All that is left is the core proposition itself — backed up, no longer by misdirection and sophistry, but by violence.
So this tells us what anti-conservatism must be: the proposition that the law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone, and cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.
Then the appearance arises that the task is to map “liberalism”, or “progressivism”, or “socialism”, or whateverthefuckkindofstupidnoise-ism, onto the core proposition of anti-conservatism.
No, it a’n’t. The task is to throw all those things on the exact same burn pile as the collected works of all the apologists for conservatism, and start fresh. The core proposition of anti-conservatism requires no supplementation and no exegesis. It is as sufficient as it is necessary. What you see is what you get:
The law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone; and it cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.
- Frank Wilhoit
60d@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Thanks, Frank! Very eloquently put!
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
if by left-wing you mean i think more than 3 months ahead, then yes.
Ideonek@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Maybe. But your impression of it may be skewed, buceoyse there are a lot of non-USA people here. That couse some mismatch in therma that tend to overwaight the perceived size of left-leaning people. But it’s terminology, really. What in USA is considered “left” more-or-less align with what is considered left outside of USA. But what an average Trump supporter call “conservative”, in the rest of the word is simply know as lunacy.
ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
What in USA is considered “left” more-or-less align with what is considered left outside of USA
What is considered left in the USA is largely considered center or center right outside of the USA
Geetnerd@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Most current US Democrats are Neoliberal Reagan Republicans.
US Republicans since Reagan are fucking Nazis.
Ideonek@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Well, it’s a big and heterogeneous “outside” if we want to be nitpicky about it.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 3 weeks ago
Yes. Signing up is not easy. Most people here can understand written instructions and have some basic technical knowledge. People who are not stupid tend to lean left.
Tiger666@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Do you advocate seizing the means of production and are a worker? If not, then you are not a leftist.
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
You can be “left wing” without being a “leftist”. I wouldn’t classify them as the same, personally. Left wing really includes anyone left of center
Tiger666@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Sounds like a liberal to me. Centrists always think they are leftists because of the guilt of supporting capitalism. You support social programs. You do not support any form of removing capitalism. You are not a leftist, you are a centrist.
Agent641@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lefty Lemmy righty reddit
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Ehhh. Eh?
Lefty Lemmy. Liberal Reddit.
Seems more the take. Reddit has a small vocal conservative minority.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Slashers slashdot
Wilco@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
I’m Independent, but cannot support Republicans anymore … so I guess I’m a Democrat that hates gun control.
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
if you go far enough left, you get your guns back. :)
uuldika@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I’m a left libertarian. I embrace decentralization, collectivism, freedom from corporate and central government tyranny, and want to maximize individual liberty and progressive values as we ideally move towards a society like the Culture series by Ian M. Banks.
I’m not Anarchist because it’s too chaotic and unrealistic, and I’m not ML because I don’t like State authoritarianism and central planning.
TheDoozer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Can you give some examples of how that works? Like, who pays for roads, who handles environmental regulations (or are there any), who establishes education standards (or are there any), etc. I’m not trying to argue, it just seems like on the internet people referring to “state authoritarianism” and “central government tyranny” ranges from “adults can’t be transgender” to “I have to pay taxes and the government won’t let me own slaves.”
uuldika@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
There’s a few ways to handle, but for example:
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Roads: large towns and cities would mostly handle their own road maintenance. Roads connecting towns would probably be joint ventures. Projects would be funded and contracted by the towns and financed by town income tax. Rural areas would be underfunded, but that’s partly intentional - dense population centers are more sustainable.
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Environmental regulations: handled at the level of impact. for example, water quality standards for a river bind everyone who accesses the river. restrictions (e.g. standards for heavy metal levels) would be passed by minority vote - if 40% want a standard, that’s enough. carbon credits would be administered at the Federal or World levels, by a combination of central government and treaties.
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Education: probably pretty devolved, mostly a choice by municipalities in what they offer/teach. there’d likely be standardized tests that most places agree on for transferability (e.g. how the SAT works today.) religious schools could exist in religious communities, or you could have a Montessori program in your secular socialist Kibbutz.
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Slavery: illegal at the Federal/World level. same with indentured servitude and coercive contracts. one of the most important functions of the central government is to protect the civil liberties of individuals.
So the principles are mostly:
- Externalities are handled at the level of their impact.
- More power locally, less power centrally. City governments are more like micro-nations bound by a sort of EU.
- Cities largely have a lot of direct democracy with some representatives. Critically, city governments wield lots of power over the businesses that operate in the city. This is critical to check corporate power.
- Federal government exists as a backstop to safeguard fundamental rights and for truly national concerns.
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Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
It doesn’t work.
Korrok@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
I hope so
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I’m a Marxist-Leninist, so yes. I think you’ll find most people on Lemmy in general fall into the major categories of “Liberal,” as in the US Democrat style, Anarchists, and Marxists. Different instances lean in different directions on this, with overall few outright conservatives.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I like to consider myself leftist. But it’s true that I don’t agree in all that most current left wing political parties stand for.
I think all human are born equal, and should have a good life. That politics should be used to improve everyone’s life.
But in the what does this mean or how to do it I feel more and more differences lately.
To give an example, I cannot really stand identity politics. I think that the best course of action is to dissolve identitarian (is that word real?) groups instead of exacerbating their differences. I feel like people should be getting rid of labels instead of having more and more labels every day.
That’s just a personal opinion, based on the idea that if you define different groups the chance of conflict between groups is bigger than if you define only one group. And I do get the idea behind identity politics within the left wing spectrum. I just don’t agree that’s the best course of action.
Triasha@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Minority groups didn’t make up identity politics, majority groups did, when they engaged in oppression of minorities.
Queer people don’t have that much in common. Straight people forced us to band together for our rights.
Gay people don’t have much in common with trans people, but straight people can’t tell us apart/treat us the same so we band together.
Disabled people, people of color, it’s similar stories.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I don’t see it that way. Speaking as non conforming gender bisexual.
I think I can properly defend my rights without making groups that exclude others from it.
Again, just my opinion, and something that I do not agree not in the final goal (everyone being happy and free) but in the how to achieve it.
Also as an European I think identity politics (in this context) were mostly born in USA and imported here. But we had achieved way more liberties before identity politics than after (we were one of the first countries in the world that legalized gay marriage for instance, and we didn’t need the kind of identity politics that exist today to achieve it). And since identity politics took over I feel like we haven’t be able to achieve much more, because we take a conflicting approach that meets much more resistance from excluded identities than the previous approach.
At least that’s my humble opinion and perception of reality.
RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I also have a hard time with ID politics and the like, but I’m also a privileged white dude so my primary gripe will always be focused around economic disparity. The BLM protests helped me see it this way: There is not war but the class war, but there are multiple fronts. If we don’t at least try a little to protect minority groups, we won’t have any progressives left
AA5B@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
While I don’t understand gender politics, alternate pronouns and labels, I long since realized that it doesn’t matter. I’m all for everyone living their lives their way with equal respect. You do you, and be the best you you can, whatever you that may be, and I’ll be happy to call you friend
FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 3 weeks ago
Is the sky blue?
viking@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
I’d consider myself liberal, but I embrace some traits considered leftist in some areas (universal healthcare, free education) and right in others (restrict immigration based on key economic and educational indicators, deport criminals).
Randomgal@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Yes. They are fanatics too. Like Twitter but instead of wanting to kill people for profit, IRS wanting to kill people for not being left.
Apepollo11@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Come on, that’s not true. We just want to “re-educate” you guys
LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
The actual left wing, the something socialists something are partly on hexbear.org and lemmygrad.ml. And they are called tankies and blocked on lemmy.world. So how left wing can most people here be? The thing is that “left” has become synonymous with (neo)liberal values. Like there doesn’t have to be a free, independent press or social media and them being owned by capitalists is just fine.
Lexam@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m left handed. I don’t have wings.
Skyrmir@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Right wingers have, or cause, trouble in open forums, so most social media that isn’t operated as a walled garden, tends to be more left leaning.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Most people are progressives.
The only disconnect is messaging and image.
Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
I don’t adopt views wholesale—I evaluate each issue on an individual basis, so my views tend to be a mixed bag. From a political standpoint, most people would probably see me as an unreliable ally as my views can be hard to predict. While I agree with many, if not most, “left-wing” ideas, there are still plenty of others that would get me labeled as a Nazi MAGA Republican.
That said, on Lemmy I’m definitely in the minority when it comes to holding certain beliefs that many would label “right-wing,” even though on other issues I can out–left-wing even most leftists.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m just hungry dude
IndieSpren@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
yes