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Tankies are right wing. Watch them make excuses for Russia and say NATO should pull out of Ukraine. Watch them say a Trump presidency is better than the alternative.
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Submitted 3 days ago by cm0002@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 3 days ago
drmoose@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I used to consider myself quite a socialist but tankies really straightened me out by taking side of Russia and Soviet Union of which I’ve experienced the horrors off first hand myself. There is socialism without cancers like Kremlin and CCP but the whole thing has been ruined and hijacked by these idiots just like alt-right ruined conservatives.
refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 2 days ago
It’s possible to have an idiology and at the same time disagree with other people with that idiology.
Leftists especially are famous for disagreeing with each other.
I’m a socialist, but I don’t think mass centralization of power will ever lead to a good outcome. I believe in Richard Wolff’s ideology, which involves forcing corporations to be worker-owned cooperatives.
Allero@lemmy.today 3 days ago
Tankies are factually left-wing. Their actions, however, sometimes play into the deck of right-wingers as they try to fuck around with the system.
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 3 days ago
Stalin criminalised homosexuality with a punishment of five years prison labour. Go ahead and repeat that fact on Hexbear, and see how many “radical leftists” are willing to make excuses for a homophobe
pyre@lemmy.world 3 days ago
no they have right wing ideals. they just use left wing terminology to push a right wing worldview.
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I feel like Russia is further right than the US.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 days ago
Socially for sure but economically it might be debatable. They have universal healthcare after all.
Shardikprime@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Thanks now the stereoscope thing makes sense. I was freaking out thinking people were putting politics in medicine
GoldenCow@lemm.ee 2 days ago
so how come biden could not get a cease fire for the genocide of palestine and trump got it day 1?
i cannot wait for drag to volunteer to go fight for ukraine! im sure you could get dronerights to help you
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 2 days ago
You know what Trump’s going to get day 1? So you can see the future? Awesome!
Just one question - how can Trump get a ceasefire in two days if Biden has already got Hamas and Israel to agree to a ceasefire? Is Biden’s ceasefire going to fall through some time in the next two days?
TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I injected ivermetcin infused raw milk into my veins so that I can get the REAL news quicker.
MaxPow3r11@lemmy.world 3 days ago
nice. You saw that new Joe Rogan episode too?
TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Broadcast into my retinas via neuralink.
It may have triggered my nose to bleed incessantly but I KNOW this is because I didn’t take my ONNIT & ALPHA BRAIN
That’s onnit o - n - n - I- t
Fuck_u_spez_@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
It’s entirely possible.
Gigasser@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Don’t forget the cold plunge.
GluWu@lemm.ee 3 days ago
I’ve said this before, and been(more than) down voted for it, but I want more conservatives, more tankies, more anything I don’t outright agree with. People will say how bad person in their echo chamber is in their echo chamber.
The early internet was so scarce it was important to find like minded people. Today the internet is so widespread it should be the opposite. It takes 5 minutes to find a entire platform filled with people who all think like you. That’s how we got flat earth conventions.
I’m confident in my beliefs and opinions, which is why I want them challenged. I want to think critically, I want difficult rhetoric. I want my world view to be challenged. I want to be uncomfortable.
cm0002@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Problem is, they don’t argue in good faith, no matter what evidence or arguments you bring to the table no matter how long or short they’re right and you’ve just been subjected to brainwashing/propaganda.
Nor is it a debatable political position to be spread Nazi-ism or bigotry (which is what most right-wingers do)
zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
Yeah, the marketplace of ideas doesn’t really work because people can just lie and other manipulative tactics, and people (yes, you and me too) fall for it (you are not immune to propaganda).
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
istg whoever solves this problem will win a fucking nobel prize.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 3 days ago
This only works when they engage in good faith. So no, you don’t want more tankies and conservatives, because most of them are incapable of that. Their worldview requires that they do not.
naught101@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Agree, but I think there are lots of people who are a bit more on the fence, or playing around with ideas. If someone says something stupid out of ignorance or inexperience, and they get blasted for it, they probably aren’t gonna learn much from it, and they might go hang out with the people who responded well to it…
Obviously if you try and it turns out they understand what they are saying, and are doing it intentionally, they can get fucked. Problem is it’s hard to tell sometimes, and not many people have the capacity to tolerate that behaviour enough to find out.
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
Idk… I’m not sure I want all their racist shit echoing around in here with us.
Plus so that paradox of tolerance stuff
frog_brawler@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Jimbo@yiffit.net 3 days ago
I’d rather not talk with people that genuinely hate me, and/or want to kill me thank you.
Rhoeri@lemmy.world 3 days ago
That’s a hard pitch to a platform known to be unflinchingly rigid about their wind tunnels.
doingthestuff@lemy.lol 3 days ago
I agreed wholeheartedly. I’m a weird mix of politics, radically left and radically right and also sometimes the middle. The radical middle, but fuck centrists. I almost never find like minded people and that’s why I’m here. And why I get banned from echo chambers sometimes. That used to mess with my head. That was a long time ago. I just don’t give a fuck.
volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Please tell us your radically right policy lmao
Kaboom@reddthat.com 3 days ago
Damn straight! And I think I found the place that disagrees with me the most. Even Tumblr in its heyday wasn’t nearly as left wing
GoldenCow@lemm.ee 2 days ago
what do you think about treatlerism?
Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
Me too - I can live happily with the fact that not everyone thinks like me; but I still want to know what the other people are thinking.
dilroopgill@lemmy.world 3 days ago
the bubble helps no one, remember everyone on tiktok tweaking when republicans were winning, they were also in their own social media bubbles and never see any of the “woke” mind changing type posts, mfs out here praising trump for low gas prices like they suddenly dropped when he won and haven’t already been low.
Geometrinen_Gepardi@sopuli.xyz 3 days ago
Since most people here seem to be American, the problem is their worldview. Nowadays “right wing” in america just means insane people. Americans have lost all sense of nuance, everything is black or white.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 days ago
Unlike the right wing parties in Europe and Asia that aren’t fascists, right?
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 2 days ago
There’s not that many democratic countries that are as or more right-wing than the USA. A few western democracies’ right wings are still left of the USA’s Democrat party.
It is all relative within and without each country, so it’s really hard to have an objective discussion about it between countries.
That being said, fascism seems be having a renaissance; which sucks hard. So, yeah, there’s scary shit happening everywhere.
_bac@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I agree. For example: how would you Americans view this music video form almost 40 years ago? www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB9lObWclFQ&list=RDGMEMJQ… Made in socialist Yugoslavia. Right wing? Left wing? Authoritarian? Nutjob?
Ghostbanjo1949@lemmy.mengsk.org 2 days ago
Weird as hell, that’s how I would view that.
SoftTeeth@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Tankies are right wing
UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Ehh not really.
Economically: The pro China ones can sometimes be pro market-ish. However, I’ve seen some of them talk about how Xi Jinping is making China have a more and more planned economy day by day. As for the pro USSR n North Korea ones, I’ve seen them range from hard anti-market to having teeny tiny sympathy for a very small, heavily state controlled market.
Socially: I’ve seen many trans ppl on hexbear. Aaaand I’ve also seen ppl claim transgenderism itself to being bourgeoisie manufactured fake science to distract the population from the real issue- class warfare. HOWEVER, I have seen none of them defending religious beliefs or ideals.
Therefore, the only thing similar that they share with right wingers, is that their political structures would over time evolve into stateful, classful, authoritarian systems.
Oh, and yeah- they both really love strongmen…
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 3 days ago
Your last two paragraphs explain how they are actually right wing, because the authoritarianism has already happened and they still support it.
“Planned economy” is just state capitalism. It’s not better than neoliberal capitalism, it jist has a red flag, and tankies are fool enough to think that makes difference.
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 3 days ago
HOWEVER, I have seen none of them defending religious beliefs or ideals.
Antitheism is right wing. People deserve to worship whether, what, who, and how they want. Left wing communities will always support religious diversity and freedom.
Allero@lemmy.today 3 days ago
They are not, but sometimes their actions can result in outcomes beneficial to right wing.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 3 days ago
The purpose of a system is what it does, and the tankie system results in right wing outcomes, which makes them right wing.
I don’t particularly care if their sweet little lefty hearts bleed for the working class, or if they’re going to heaven. What matters is the results, and authoritarian structures are always right wing.
SoftTeeth@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Do you think Nazis and Stalinists were left wing?
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
This is very true. I’ve been told by many leftists that liberals are enemy. The right is the enemy of liberals.
Leftist have clearly decided that the enemy of my enemy is my friend by embracing right wing political candidates and echoing their propaganda.
SoftTeeth@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Labor is the left wing party in the UK
GoldenCow@lemm.ee 2 days ago
democrats and republicans are both liberals your left wing and right wing yankcentric view does you a disservice
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
maybe in a more traditionally defined sense of the word, but neo conservatism is anything but equal to tankie based behavior.
Imhotep@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I’ll take a non-maga right wing user over a tankie any day. It’s not even close.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 days ago
PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 days ago
non-maga right wing
How many of those are left? Two, three?
I remember before 2016, I had respect for some right-wing folk online who, while far from agreement with me, I regarded as simply legitimately misguided (in a “Free markets because gubmint bad”) kind of way.
It was… eye-opening to see how many of them went mask-off in the Trump years, and how fast and fiercely they did it.
pumpkinseedoil@mander.xyz 2 days ago
How many of those are left? Two, three?
People outside the USA exist. We have many stupid right wingers too but also many that I can respect (just sadly hardly any of them in politics)
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 2 days ago
Given what the USA considers rightwing (lunatic) compared to Europe, I’d rather ignore tankies when they go further than I prefer. I at least agree with them some of the time. USA rightwingers are deranged even if they aren’t in the MAGA sphere.
We had shooters killing doctors already in the 90s and it’s only got worse since then.
teslasaur@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I’m lost. What is a tankie?
Snowclone@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Authoritarian Communism or Socialism. They are generally in favor of a strong military and central state government that projects power and maintains social order, and ideally social progress through strict law and order methods people who look at Mao and Stalin as necessary or a net gain at least, hopefully they aren’t into Pol Pot’s methodology, as it was clear his primary objective was to constantly purge his own supporters while trying to starve and kill anyone that wasn’t a multi generational rice farmer of strictly Cambodian ethnicity or identity. But Pol Pot isn’t like totally out of pocket for what they’d like to see happen either. So yeah. Authoritarian Communism or Socialism, police state, rolling tanks over disodances. Hence Tankies.
Imhotep@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Do you actually don’t know, or is this step one of a contrarian about to start their brilliant exposé?
Lets assume this is sincere and you don’t have access to a search engine: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
GoldenCow@lemm.ee 2 days ago
hmm yes i will take a polite racist over someone that seeks to empower and enrich the proletariat
how very liberal of you
scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds!
boonhet@lemm.ee 2 days ago
Tankies are out here calling for peoples’ deaths every day. I know this because I was born in the wrong country so tankies seethe just seeing the instance TLD. So many tankies think we should be executed for breaking free of the empire.
fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Why? It’s similar but worse, driven by irrational anxiety with less reason and more potential to do the world harm…
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
What I never understood is why don’t the free speech absolutionists embrace lemmy?
The fediverse should be the epitome of self determination, individualism and saying whatever you want to say without some higher power telling you that you can’t…
Hence why I don’t think conservatives today are truly right wing, they don’t really do the shit they claim they are all about.
Sergio@slrpnk.net 3 days ago
This is too insightful to be a shitpost.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Unfortunately, the Blue would be shaking hands with the Conservative.
Hexbear literally promoted Trump before the 2024 election. Tankies love Maga.
SlothMama@lemmy.world 2 days ago
This screams that people with different opinions aren’t people with valid opinions and lead to further dialectic conversation, and I reject that premise.
Conservatives should be welcome. Everyone should be welcome.
Snowclone@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Such a bummer the 80s futuristic look ever caught on past then, car dashes that made you feel like you are on the enterprise were awesome.
Majorllama@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Meanwhile moderates on both sides think all of you need to desperately touch some fuckin grass.
Seriously I am very worried about the mental health of like 97% of the people on here.
socsa@piefed.social 3 days ago
The presumes that tankies are not actually just right wing trolls trying to divide the left via extremism.
ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol 3 days ago
At least we can all hate each other with public logs.
dilroopgill@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Got banned off redit for using an alt to comment on publicfreakout which I was supposedly banned from, glad this place is still left leaning, but I would rather not have a bubble like reddit either, it gets annoying and isn’t representative of the world like it should be.
gcheliotis@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Jesus Christ so many of you on here are in love with your echo chambers aren’t you? Every other day there is something about instance wars and oh let’s see, whom do we want to exclude today. You don’t have to like what others have to say, but you have to be able to listen to them.
1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 3 days ago
Tankies when someone who defends any western action appears: fucking right wing nutjob
Other instances when someone who is traditionally considered left wing appears: fucking right wing nutjob
Right wingers when someone left of centre appears: I don’t think you’re right but you make valid points on xyz
Now which way are people going to drift based on those interractions?
You can’t complain about how splintered the political landscape is without ditching the “us vs them” mentality and finding common ground (of course with the caveat that fuck people who make discrimination a key part of their personality and people who celebrate oppression as clearly they aren’t reasonable people)
Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 3 days ago
How do we feel about libertarians?
recreationalcatheter@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Stethoscope theory.
Tankies are just right wingers with zaney lines they drew themselves.
Trump is more left wing than your most left wing tankie.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
i’m not conservative, by any stretch of the definition, though i do appreciate some of the more classically conservative values (none of which actual conservatives stand for ironically)
Nor am i progressive, or any flavor of communistic. Although that might change given enough problems with the US voting populace. Though not to the amusement of any lemmy users im sure,
Frankly, to be honest, i’m anti humanist right now, in my political satire arc. Take from that what you will, but if you take it the wrong thing, i will outlive you politically.
TL;DR im disappointed in everyone, you should’ve done better, you should have higher standards for yourself and your conduct, and you don’t and that makes me sad.
saltesc@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I blocked ML, then blocked Trump and Elon as keywords.
I don’t see this behaviour much anymore.
Someone took the time to make this comic. Don’t be that person. You’re better than that and should enjoy much more enriching things than exhausting your energy into the black hole that goes no where, but you’ve been socially led to think is somehow important and noticed.
Step 1. Start blocking the tribe’s.camp sites.
peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 3 days ago
Twelve down votes right now lmfao
Sanctus@lemmy.world 3 days ago
And they’re always bitching about batshit things on conservative.
HOW DARE BIDEN GIVE MONEY LAUNDERER ZELENKSY MORE MONEY. HE IS SURROUNDED BY IT IN HIS CASTLE.
Like bruh shut the fuck up.
cm0002@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Lol did you see the one where they’re complaining about Lemmy “censorship” because their shit takes get downvoted to hell lmao
Sanctus@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Yeah, and the sad (for them) truth is this is their free market action they love. I see your shitty opinion, I downvote it. Turns out they can’t handle that when they can’t obfuscate their unpopularity
Valmond@lemmy.world 3 days ago
You must like what I say or it is cEnCoRsHiP!!
Ha ha yeah, lyckily they are kind of few.