J.K. Rowling Blasts “Gender Taliban” David Tennant After ‘Harry Potter’ Actor Said “Whinging” Trans Critics Are On “Wrong Side Of History”

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• MajorHavoc@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Tennant called transgender critics “a tiny bunch of little whinging f*ckers who are on the wrong side of history, and they’ll all go away soon.”

  Is the real headline here. And good for him.

  I’d rather not give what’s her name any more attention over this crap.

  Also, calling Tennant a “Harry Potter actor”, while true, feels like a calculated insult to a man who has played Doctor Who, The Purple Man, and Crawley.

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  • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    He was also barely even in Harry Potter, if we are going by screen time pretty sure Harry potter is the least relevant part of his career.

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    • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I wasn’t even aware that he was in there.

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  • Emperor@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Also, calling Tennant a “Harry Potter actor”, while true, feels like a calculated insult to a man who has played Doctor Who, The Purple Man, and Crawley.

    I’m not sure it’s a “calculated insult” but it did read a but oddly (I assumed initially that it was referring to someone else). I presume the writer or their editor went with that angle because because his having appeared in the Harry Potter movies is relevant to an article and fitted the wider context of JK Rowling falling out with HP cast members. I’m not convinced it was the right approach.

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    • III@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Tennant, who once lowered himself to appear in a Harry Potter film, stated…

      Better?

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    • MajorHavoc@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m not sure it’s a “calculated insult” but it did read a but oddly (I assumed initially that it was referring to someone else).

      Yeah. My choice of words was a bit unnecessarily inflammatory. I struggled to find the words for how weird a choice of introduction it is, but don’t mean to actually assign malice.

      I don’t really think the article author meant anything by it necessarily.

      Your point about the context of the cat relationships makes sense. Probably why they went for it.

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• stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Tennant: TERFs are whiny fucking babies JK Rowling, Court Jester: whines like baby

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  • Infernal_pizza@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Image

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    • 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Extra Fabulous on It as usual

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• flamingos@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  How is it that every time we hear from the TERF in the high castle, she’s somehow even more unhinged?

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  • CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    When you have that much money reality ceases to exist. Rich people live in the ultimate echo chamber.

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    • rah@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      reality ceases to exist

      Uh… wut?

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  • 7bicycles@hexbear.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    succumbed to the terf madness, many such cases. see also: graham linehan

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  • Waldoz53@hexbear.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    shes starting to talk like a final fantasy villain so shes being very normal right now

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• Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Calling someone Taliban while at the same time sharing a lot of Taliban ideology is the kind of delicious irony people like Rowling are completely oblivious to.

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  • NickwithaC@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s called projecting.

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    • III@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Clearly, it’s not like her literary skills allow her to reach the level of understanding irony.

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  • rah@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    sharing a lot of Taliban ideology

    That seems like a bit of a stretch.

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• inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “For a man who’s supposedly a model of compassion and tolerance, he sure does want a lot of people to cease to exist.”

  Critical of people she praises for compassion.

  J.K. Rowling has recently been canceled because she… did not please the fans of the so-called gender freedoms,”

  -Putin

  Praised by fascist dictators.

  And yet somehow JK thinks she is on the right side of history? Wild.

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  • SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Following this logic, the Gaza protestors theocratic terrorists because they were praised by jihadist terrorist groups

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• AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Thankfully the vast majority of the cast of the Harry Potter movies ended up being decent people. They are the ones that young people should look up to, not whatever the fuck Joanne has become.

  She’s taking the Graham Linehan route, dedicate your whole life to bashing trans people and spreading hate against them, to the point where you ruin your entire legacy and your own personal relationships.

  She can keep fighting against trans people’s right to exist, but trans people will just fight back at every turn.

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• Mighty@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So much Love for David Tennant<3

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• obinice@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Harry Potter actor? This man is the Doctor.

  He’s a national treasure.

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  • unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    doctor who?

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    • ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Exactly.

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    • lurch@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Strange

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    • boredtortoise@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Won’t get fooled again

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  • Etterra@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    To be fair his character in HP was a murderous psychopath.

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    • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Didn’t even know he was in it, so I had to look it up. Apparently he played Barty Crouch Jr. in the Goblet of Fire.

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• JimSamtanko@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There’s a few butt-hurt TERFs here downvoting. I wonder if the endorphin rush from such a rebellious act will carry them through the day.

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  • TheDoctor@hexbear.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Transphobes are half the reason we got rid of downvotes over here. They’re simultaneously blowhards and too cowardly to speak.

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    • rah@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      too cowardly to speak

      Have you considered making an effort to be a person they would like to speak with?

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• kerrigan778@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Where can I get my membership card, shirt, and other swag as a member of David Tennant’s Gender Taliban

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  • Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Putting all the politics aside, man I wish he got more roles. The purple man was the best part of Jessica Jones.

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    • Snowclone@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Broadchurch was a very strong performance as well.

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  • Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    David Tennant’s Gender Taliban

    New band name.

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    • kerrigan778@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ok, I didn’t get this joke until like 15 minutes later and had to come back to upvote it. Amazing. Punkry Western.

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    • match@pawb.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      i think that’s called folk punk in the US

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  • Emperor@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’d be very surprises if someone wasn’t working on at least a t-shirt design right now.

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• mecfs@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m so glad I pirated the harry potter audiobooks and didn’t give a cent to this bigot

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  • muse@fedia.io ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I'm so glad I stopped giving a shit about Harry Potter and accepted that just because a zeitgeist happened in my childhood doesn't mean I should cling to fictional fantasy that hadn't actually done anything novel in the genre or touched upon topics that aren't handled in better novels elsewhere

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    • EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Once again, I am tapping the sign for people to go watch the two hour video by Shaun on the subject.

      The moral of Harry Potter is that the status quo is correct and should never be questioned, and nobody should ever try to change anything.

      Harry doesn’t defeat Voldemort or change any of the issues inherent in the bumbling bureaucracy of the wizard world. Voldemort kills himself on a magic technicality, Harry becomes a magic cop and helps to ensure that magic is never used to help the undesirables of society (Muggles), and Hermione is ridiculed for being a girl with blue hair and pronouns who tried to end the chattel slavery system before she “grew up” and became a much more sensible person who realized that the slaves actually want to be oppressed, and it’s for their own good.

      You can see Rowling’s morality change practically in real-time as the books go on, from criticizing the system to defending it as she began to benefit from it as her wealth grew. And underneath it all, you can see her discriminatory opinions of people. That was always there. When she wants you to hate a woman, she makes them fat or gives them masculine features. If I have to read the phrase “mannish hands” one more time, I might vomit.

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    • A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Dude I’m saying! Harry Potter was never good, it was just popular

      And yeah I read them and watched them, at least the first few. I’m not talking out of my ass. It’s a series with a few imaginative ideas sprinkled throughout otherwise super typical schlock with casually racist seasoning.

      Fuck Harry Potter

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  • Emperor@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I am/was likely far too old to be in the target demographic for Pottermania but they never worked for me. They always felt a little… safe, reactionary even as they drew on a long tradition of British boarding school books without really addressing or undermining the genre tropes or even using it as a means to examine that culture. It then wasn’t a surprise to find out the author had some questionable views didn’t seem a great surprise to me.

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    • OrlandoDoom@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It came out when I was 9, so I was part of the target demographic, though I didn’t pick it up til I was 12 or 13 because we read it at school, though by that point I had read most of the Animorphs books, so potter came across as very tame and a bit too childish. I was already dealing with themes of war and genocide and existential crisis and everything else Animorphs threw at you.

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    • ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I had the first 4 books and read them around ages 11-13, reading the first two before the first movie came out. I think because none of my classmates at the time had read or watched anything relating to HP, I never really talked about it, so I set it aside after finishing Goblet of Fire, which coincided with the Lord of the Rings movies.

      To me, it felt like I was leaving behind a story for kids and getting in on the “real good stuff for adults”

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• casmael@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Rowling should have stopped saying things in like 2005 tbh

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  • Cube6392@beehaw.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    All she had to do was hold onto the ball and run out the clock

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    • casmael@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Literally just take it to the corner flag and turn around

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  • Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Celebrities should stick to what they good at. Her writing the book should give no authority to her opinions, even if we agreed with her.

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    • DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s not like she’s forcing anyone to listen. I agree that she’s a moron, but I don’t understand the celebrities shouldn’t have freedom of speech take.

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    • 0ops@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No I’m glad she let us know who she really is

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• Phegan@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Fuck you Joanne.

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• Omgboom@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The irony is that the Taliban agrees with JK Rowling on matters of gender and sexuality lol.

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  • veganpizza69@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Conservatives & Projection

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• Zip2@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The sooner JK Rowling is charged with hate speech, the better. How the fuck has she been allowed to get away with it for so long I don’t know.

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  • DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    How the fuck has she been allowed to get away with it for so long I don’t know.

    Those in power agree with her

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    • Truck_kun@beehaw.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think this is a good place to add context for those outside the UK that don’t pay attention to politics, especially foreign politics:

      The UK is having elections on July 4th. The House of commons has… 650 seats, of which the Conservatives (Tories, equivalent UK version of US Rupublicans) have ~350 seats.

      They are expected to literally lose hundreds of seats in this elections and fall out of power. Labour (UK equivalent of US Democrats) has not been as progressive as people expected/wanted, but they are expected to be the big winners. Hopefully the UKs situation improves from the past 14-15 years of the Tories rule… seems like they’ve gone scorched earth, and the UK is a shadow of what it was even a decade ago.

      Those same whiners in power, are about to experience a near political power extinction event.

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    • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think it’s simpler. Those who are in power to dull with it to really do not care and do not really consider this to be an issue. It’s not so much that they agree or disagree with her, it’s more that they just don’t care

      I’m not sure that’s actually better really but isn’t any important distinction.

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  • JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You don’t think people should have the right to speak free from government interference? I very much disagree with her, but I don’t want to live under a fascist state that bans opposing opinions.

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    • III@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Free speech isn’t the same as freedom from consequences for that speech. Hate speech is regulated for a reason. Likening hate speech to an “opposing opinion” is outing your actual agenda here.

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  • fox@hexbear.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The government is entirely on her side

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  • Trae@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    £,000,000,000

    Thats how.

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    • Emperor@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s not much.

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  • rah@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    charged with hate speech

    I’m curious whether she has actually come out with any hate speech. Can you point to anything she’s said which is hate speech? By which I mean real hate speech and not just speech whose underlying motive you believe to be hate?

    For example, this is hate speech:

    “Illegal immigrants are lazy good-for-nothings and should all be deported.”

    This is not hate speech:

    “Illegal immigration is terrible and I wish the government would do something about it.”

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• Default_Defect@midwest.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Glad to not see the usual “separate the art from the artist” crowd that can’t stop giving her money to continue to be a fucking plague on humanity.

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  • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What always gets me about those people is if it’s real art, the artist is putting their message into the story. When I was young and in the target demographic, I stopped reading halfway through because the message of the story was getting confusing or annoying. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a main character get more selfish in their character arc. I later found out that Harry’s solution to owning a house with severed heads everywhere was to put doilies over them during the holidays.

    The books are bad and where probably only tolerable in the beginning because of the editor.

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    • sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Duuude. You put it so well. They fell off hard after Goblet of Fire, not that the cracks weren’t showing before

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  • norimee@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The worst is, that she feels validated in her hateful opinions by the money she makes.

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  • ytg@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    that can’t stop giving her money

    well… I mean…

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    • Default_Defect@midwest.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Most of them do, gladly. They just want to save face by saying they disagree with her.

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• Etterra@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I expect in a Rowling vs. Tenant fight, Tenant is gonna come out with a win every time. That woman has a damaged moral compass on a good day.

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• SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  J. K. Rowling is a knob.

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  • TheBat@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    She wishes she had a knob.

    The writings of young trans men reveal a group of notably sensitive and clever people.  The more of their accounts of gender dysphoria I’ve read, with their insightful descriptions of anxiety, dissociation, eating disorders, self-harm and self-hatred, the more I’ve wondered whether, if I’d been born 30 years later, I too might have tried to transition. The allure of escaping womanhood would have been huge. I struggled with severe OCD as a teenager. If I’d found community and sympathy online that I couldn’t find in my immediate environment, I believe I could have been persuaded to turn myself into the son my father had openly said he’d have preferred.

    When I read about the theory of gender identity, I remember how mentally sexless I felt in youth. I remember Colette’s description of herself as a ‘mental hermaphrodite’ and Simone de Beauvoir’s words: ‘It is perfectly natural for the future woman to feel indignant at the limitations posed upon her by her sex. The real question is not why she should reject them: the problem is rather to understand why she accepts them.’

    As I didn’t have a realistic possibility of becoming a man back in the 1980s, it had to be books and music that got me through both my mental health issues and the sexualised scrutiny and judgement that sets so many girls to war against their bodies in their teens. Fortunately for me, I found my own sense of otherness, and my ambivalence about being a woman, reflected in the work of female writers and musicians who reassured me that, in spite of everything a sexist world tries to throw at the female-bodied, it’s fine not to feel pink, frilly and compliant inside your own head; it’s OK to feel confused, dark, both sexual and non-sexual, unsure of what or who you are.

    Joanne is bitter because others are having what she didn’t get.

    Source: jkrowling.com/…/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reas…

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    • samus12345@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Classic “Homosexuality is a choice because I’m gay and chose to deny it” energy.

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• Ibaudia@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This man is talking about rape survivors who want female-only care, the nurses currently suing their health trust for making them change in front of a man, girls and women losing sporting opportunities to males and female prisoners incarcerated with convicted sex offenders.

  It’s hilarious that she’s making these seem like widespread issues when most of them are literally just one incident, or aren’t happening at all. These are the best examples she can come up with of legitimate grievances against trans people?

  How about “bullied to suicide, denied medical care, housing discrimination, employment discrimination, and getting violently hate crimed at enormous rates” for the other side of this issue? Even if you think trans identities are invalid, at least pretend to treat them with the same respect you would other human beings. But no, trans people who are just trying to survive day-to-day are nonchalantly grouped in with pedophile rapists, as if those two things are in any way equivalent.

  It’s easy to hate someone when you just ignore what they really are and supplant it with something else entirely.

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  • norimee@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    As a cis female rape survivor I would choose the care of a compassionate trans woman over a judgemental TERF anytime!

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  • HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I 100% agree with your post. The issues she raises are nonexistent or extremely rare. In my personal life I believe and practice “trans-women are women” as for all intents and purposes it’s true.

    I am however concerned that I don’t really have a response to anyone who doesn’t believe that, particularly women with some sort of past trauma that gives them an instinctual fear response. It feels insensitive to tell them to get over it or go to therapy. Particularly if they’ve been exposed to one of the extremely rare examples Rowling has presented. But I think going to therapy is probably what needs to happen.

    My other conflicting thought is that therapy or condemnation it is what we would say to people being racist, but there seems to be a societal agreement that we need women only spaces. And we don’t say “get over it” in regards to men trying to enter a women’s shelter, we offer an amount of sympathy and understanding to the women and allow them that space. Which means there is some amount of gender discrimination is desired/needed. This also indicates there there should be a line or set of fuzzy criteria that determines if we treat trans-women as women or not. But this obviously also feels wrong, and I hate it.

    Sorry if this was insensitive, I mostly just want to gather thoughts as I’m not confident in my thinking. I don’t think these issues deserve the amount of attention transphobes are giving them, but we’re here now, so I want to try and figure out a solution or response to more “reasonable” transphobes that I could potentially change the minds of

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    • JacksonLamb@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I appreciate this comment.

      particularly women with some sort of past trauma that gives them an instinctual fear response

      Surely the answer to traumatised women is to give them accommodations and special treatment, not to punish anyone who sets off that trauma response because of perceptions about that person’s race or gender.

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• can@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  She added: “For a man who’s supposedly a model of compassion and tolerance, he sure does want a lot of people to cease to exist.”

  What a dumb cunt she is

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• Mastengwe@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is not going to go well for her.

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• Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Wait… The UK has a minister of Equalities and they’re against equality? What the fuck?

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• Delusional@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Hmm maybe if you keep attacking the people who stand for good you’re the evil one? Ever think of that you dumb fuck Rowling?

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• happybadger@hexbear.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I would love to see a Gender Taliban declare war on JKKK Rowling. Like 20 years of protracted insurgency which reduces her to poverty before it wins.

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• sneak100@hexbear.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  he sure does want a lot of people to cease to exist

  Does anyone understand what group of people she’s even refering to here? Women who have gone through sexual assault? Is changing in front of a trans woman=not existing? Genuinely confused

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• norimee@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Could the witch woman please shut up.

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• MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Headline blasted by grammar “Nazis” for having “too many” quotes to be taken serious

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• Eheran@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  advocated for banning trans women from […] sports teams.

  What do people here think of this?

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• rah@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  they’ll all go away soon

  I wonder what makes him think that.

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• Zozano@lemy.lol ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This picture makes me think that David Tenant is actually trans JK Rowling.

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