Submitted 3 weeks ago by mecen@lemmy.ca to games@lemmy.world
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This is self explanatory; to all who do not support the idea of ownership, there shall be no more funding, regardless of their game’s quality.
Repost from reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/StopKillingGames/comments/1ugzirg/stoppayinggames/
At this point I think it’s safe to assume all large companies are evil and so piracy of any software/media/etc created by a large company is the moral thing to do.
It really sucks but I think this is the case. I can’t even read an ebook half the time with proper ownership. It’s either Amazon exclusive and then I don’t own it, or it happens to go on kobo/humble bundle DRM free. Every now and again the author sells things direct DRM free and I’ll buy from them.
I’m not giving Amazon a penny for their ebook scam library where they can change anything on a whim. It’s some serious 1984 shit, they can change the contents of the ebook whenever they want.
You can de-DRM your kobo ebooks i think. They havent blocked pc downloads like amazon did
I think it’s weird that people are okay with libraries for books, but when it comes to video games I’m suddenly entitled and have a moral obligation to give artists my money.
This is a bad argument. Many libraries do have movies, and I’ve seen several with video games.
Librarians don’t get dressed up in balaclavas and hit their nearest book store to get more books. No you’re not entitled to artist‘s work for free.
Buy from GoG
You can buy DRM free games from many places.
Just chiming in to recommend ZOOM-Platform games!
They’re not so well known, but their library is eclectic and the team truly cares about DRM-free gaming. Every game they have or will ever have is free of any DRM.
Good advice
They really need to implement regional pricing, it’s just never going to take off in 80% of the world otherwise.
If buying is not ownership, piracy is not stealing.
Fuck em.
Piracy isn’t stealing either way, but this slogan is good. We need more people to pirate than ever before.
Kinda telling that Valve aren’t on here. They also only sell a license to play a game, not the game.
Well technically and legally you always buy a license even with a game on physical media.
that’s because it’s a company that’s mostly liked by people on lemmy (and presumably op), meanwhile those on their post are mostly hated. this post is just a way for people here to feel good about themselves for not buying the games they already didn’t care about by pretending it’s activism, but don’t you dare point out the shitty practices of the companies they like!!!
basically the entire video games industry* is based around the idea that you don’t own your games. this is obviously awful and needs to change, but i’m sorry, “just boycott the bad guys!!” won’t work when the bad guys is everyone, so to boycott them essentially means to stop engaging with gaming entirely. there’s a reason Stop Killing Games didn’t do a boycott, they did a campaign to get laws passed.
* except gog i guess, but they seem to like sending neonazi symbols to people’s inboxes so. pick your poison.
Well in this aspect gog is the best
Not a valve fan but they don’t shut down their online services since they let people run servers. TF2.and CSGO are good examples. Hell, you can even use all the skins for free on private servers.
They claim to sell a license, but that’s a lie.
Wdym? That’s what they do
I’m going to be honest, this sounds like an astroturf campaign trying to reduce SKG into absurdity to harm it’s credibility.
This is list of companies who lobbied against stop killing games
Most of those are ones i already hate.
My childhood friend and a common acquaintance work at Supercell. I once asked them what they think about the moral issue of putting paid loot boxes in games for children.
They had never heard of such a controversy and didn’t understand why a fun and profitable feature would be somehow wrong.
Rockstar should be added to this list.
Rockstar Games, Inc. is an American video game publisher based in New York City. The company was established in December 1998 as a subsidiary of Take-Two Interactive…
So really the list should show all the subsidaries. Because there’s probably a decent number of people that don’t know.
I love steam, but it needs to be in this image.
Did Steam shut down games people bought?
The closest I can think is turning CS:GO into CS:GO 2 and not making a separate game.
joke on you im playing retro games!!!
NES nerver die
Retro ps2 era or lower?
Lower
Why ESL is bad ? They don’t make any games. They just do esports that promote gaming.
Why Sega is bad ? What did Bandai Namco ?
Only one Chinese company but no explicitly Tencent who owns Supercell and have 1/3 Epic Games, 1/3 Ubisoft it is just it’s brand name Level Infinite that means nothing.
No Scopely who owns Monopoly Go that alone makes $200M per month on gambling.
Any mobile gambling companies with micro transactions that are in fact casinos should be there instead of companies that just make AAA flops.
They’re members of a group which opposes the Stop Killing Games campaign.
Thanks, looks like another fucking group of idiots.
I dont think its an “instead of scenario” youncan boycott all the peopoe that wont provide a decent product on reasonable terms at a fair price
This is pretty much impossible. I don’t think y’all realize how much space those corporations control.
It’s like trying to boycott Nestle.
You say that as if piracy isn’t just a few clicks away.
A better option is to buy games that is not included on this type of lists.
Fuck piracy. The artist is worthy of their hire.
I’ve not purchased a nestle product in over a decade. Skill issue?
Honestly: doubt. “Nestle” is not only stuff that has their name on it
It’s like trying to boycott Nestle.
Sooo, like… entirely possible with some effort?
“Some effort” varies widely on how privileged you are to have wide selections to choose from where you get your groceries.
May depends on place, but I believe most of globe is fairly easy to avoid nestle, even with cheaper alternatives.
For games, until following most famous games, theres lot of alternatives to aaaa games, that are often way clearer of bugs on release date, often cheaper, and don’t require 5090 to work on medium details in 1080p. Few games like gta-clone, sims-like or diablo-like may be unique on their own, it would be even hard to ignore them in social/popculture aspect, so many gonna compare everything to few biggest. Still it is about paying them lot, preorders or throwing monies at worthless dlc day1 horse armors… We can ez avoid lot of that.
Shouldn't it be #VoteWithYourWallet?
Why not both? #StopPayingGames is awkward, why not #StopRentingGames or #StartOwningGames
Because "Stop Paying" is easier to twist into "See, they just want free stuff"
Should I feel bad for assuming any company’s name that ends in “group” probably do some heinous shit
I would like a law that says the publisher/owner/digital store has to remove any server pings and anti-cheat through a standalone update that can be shared and downloaded once they abandon support. This would go for games and any other digital media, alternatively they would have to offer a refund.
I believe thatbis part ofnthe Stop Killing Games platform.
I agree with the thrust of this, but I have no faith in the resolve of the average consumer to make a difference.
The average consumer has pirated a videogame. It’s not hard to do. We only not do it because steam is slightly easier, and you lose online/achievements, and because it’s not morally right. However, that one last barrier has fallen.
If buying is not owning, using without paying is not stealing. There is no moral issue on pirating videogames, just do it.
Downsides of capitalism
I’m assuming this also applies to Consoles as well: Sony removed purchased movies from people’s Sony Pictures Core app. I wonder if, or when, they’ll decide to do the same to games.
If it does come to that: what are our options as console gamers (other than piracy)? Buying physical discs?
I kinda hate to say it, but consoles are designed with these companies in mind. The whole idea of locking the ecosystem to only companies Sony / Microsoft / Nintendo approves of and making the process to get in expensive, time consuming, and often hostile to creative autonomy, incentivizes exactly these kinds of companies to go all in, since they have plenty of money and know with a captive audience they will get more out of it.
Prices kind of suck right now, so there’s no easy solution. But the only real long term solution is to move to an open platform where you have the control, not them. And that’s going to require sacrifice, because the deck is stacked against you. Or if you have enough faith, for enough people to stand up when they need to. Because the power for you yourself to resist was intentionally already taken from you.
What would be an open platform for consoles?
I would never buy a car that I had to store in someone else’s garage.
All software has been licensed since day 1. You have never owned software in your life, even if you have a disc.
Looks at list… oh neet I’m already doing this. Thanks indi games and GOG/steam sale
Advice:
Just pirate.
all corporations are bad
I read this as stop PLAYING games and was like “no, fuck you.”
This is pretty much every company that publishes games. So we just don’t buy / play games ? We want real change we need to push for more physical releases with game on disc. On top of that we need to push for more single player experiences. This way no matter the licenses agreement I can still boot the games
Going back as far as the mid 90s I recall seeing verbiage in the software agreement that I didn’t own the software. And they had the right to refuse my access without notice But because the software is on the disc I can still boot it to this day
I don’t expect companies to hold servers for the rest of time so I can redownload my game. What I ask for is a physical copy.
Are the companies shown in the picture selected on what basis? Are they sorted for anti consumer practices or what? Bc like what did SEGA do
We were barely 1.3 million that bothered to sign a petition, and you want to convince people to give up games from 95% of publishers? Good luck.
This is the movement. It is time to take gaming back from for profit studios who want us to have zero rights to what we purchase.
I can get behind this.
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ampersandrew@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It is not self-explanatory. You needed to explain it. On its face, it sounds like it’s saying to just pirate. I can get behind the message, but these three words aren’t it. I know that coming up with effective, catchy slogans is hard, but this one’s not going to do well.
mecen@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Not pay and even if pirate don’t promote these games
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If you’re endorsing piracy as a political stance in any way, I don’t see it gaining traction. People need to be paid for their work; especially those who built a product for you that’s meant to last and can’t be taken away from you. I don’t know how you convey that in a three- or four-word slogan, but I don’t think this one does it.
Doomsider@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I am going to be frank, most people don’t care about piracy. You making it the crux of this issue is a red hearing and disingenuous. It is something a corporate shill would bring up.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Being frank, nothing will come of a movement about consumer rights if it looks like you just want to get things for free.
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This is such a pathetic, thoughtless dismissal of an argument.
nuko147@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Gabe Newell on Video Game Piracy (Full Version, HQ) (2009)
Basically, if they (publishers) want money, they should stop being cunts to their costumers.