The Matrix hits different once you realize everything was humanity’s fault
The Matrix
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Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 2 months ago
lime@feddit.nu 2 months ago
“<film> hits different once you listen to what the characters say” is truly a take
Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Was referring to the Animatrix 1st and 2nd Renaissance genius.
HeHoXa@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Fight Club really hits different when you realize the main character is Tyler Durden
Avatar really hits different when you realize the Navi are just defending themselves.
Indiana Jones really hits different when you realize the bad guys are Nazis.
Jurassic park really hits different when you realize John Hammond ignored all the warnings.
John Wick really hits different when you realize they killed his dog.
Star Wars really hits different when you realize the chosen one bringing balance meant revitalizing the dark side.
… Old men like me don’t bother with making points. There’s no point.
marcos@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They don’t say that in the first movie.
stickyprimer@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s been said a million times that the human battery thing makes no sense in terms of energy production. But the other huge sin the Matrix commits is having humans block out the sun so robots can’t get solar power. That is ridiculously stupid. Humans need to grow crops. I rest my case. It’s stupid. I love these movies, but that part is just plain stupid.
Macchi_the_Slime@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
There’s conflicting stories about it so it’s hard to verify, but apparently the battery thing was a rewrite.
Apparently originally the people plugged into the matrix were meant to be the very hardware the matrix was run on. As in all their brains together formed a literal neural network that provided the processing power to run the matrix. This is then why knowing it’s not real and believing you can do “the impossible” within the matrix can cause you to be able to bend reality. The story goes that executives thought it was too high of a concept for audiences to grasp and demanded the change to the battery explanation to make it simpler to follow.
Folstar@lemmus.org 2 months ago
Yeah, humans would never destroy natural resources in favor of some tech fix or just kinda assume that the planet would fix itself… /s
My headcannon on the human battery thing is that the machines have core programming to make reasonable efforts to preserve human life. Designing power reactors (look how thick the cores are on the towers) with humans slapped to the side technically aligns with the core programming while allowing them to stick it to us apes. It’s also why the attack on Zion was one tentacle abductor machine for each human instead of dumping super plague down the hole and calling it a day.
plutopos@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
the trans allegory kicks ass so we can ignore an inconsistency or two
cavitationfetishist2@quokk.au 3 weeks ago
Yes it’s literally just situationism.
rumba@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
We fucked up, but it wasn’t because we blackend the sky,
Humans made the machines
Machines failed enslave us properly :)
We failed to put in proper safeguards and failed to make the machines good enough to either wipe us out or contain us with proper safeguards :)
skisnow@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
yeah I mean that was one of the themes explored in the film
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 months ago
The Matrix is a trans allegory. Living in a cave and eating slop is an allegory for being fired because of transphobia.
Still worth it.
toofpic@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The Matrix is a Rambo 3 remake. Living in a cave and eating slop is an allegory for shooting explosive arrows into a bridge.
Still worth it.
hakunawazo@lemmy.world 2 months ago
queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
But my estradiol is a blue pill? 🤔
hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Big pharma ruined the metaphor by changing the pill colors.
The blue pill was an antidepressant, the red pill was estrogen.
Also the main villian is a man in a suit who constantly deadnames the protagonist. The matrix is real life.
hovercat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
At the time they were red.
merc@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
It can be interpreted that way. That doesn’t mean that anybody who doesn’t see it that way is wrong.
Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Its an alagory for the social matrix we all find ourselves in.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 months ago
It’s an allegory for the fact that through their control of the media, the rich can construct whatever reality they want in the minds of the masses.
Zombie@feddit.uk 2 months ago
I found a picture of @stenAanden@feddit.dk:
stenAanden@feddit.dk 2 months ago
A flying octopus drone has been sent to tour location
Flower@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
4am@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
thebasementcakes@leminal.space 2 months ago
Red pill side effects include cave raves, bad clothes, and zionism
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 months ago
Wake up from your shitty fake life into the real world that’s even worse.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yeah, but what kind of amateur hour distraction fantasy would be worse than real life?
Other than 40k, I mean.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Sometimes I worry about 40k fans. Like “most times I hear about it.”
jaybone@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Why wouldn’t they have made the simulation awesome for everyone? Of course if you make it shitty some people might start to wonder about battery pod life in the cave.
stickyprimer@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yes well it’s an explicit theme of the movie that for better or worse, real is real and fake is fake and there’s no substitute for the truth, however grim it is.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s escapism versus reality. I didn’t think The Matrix is far more nuanced than I initially realised.
ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
There’s definitely more tear gas.
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s not about the better option, it’s which one is least worst
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 months ago
So you choose The Matrix? 🤔
merc@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Neo decides that uncomfortable knowledge is better than blissful ignorance. I think most adults have had experiences where they wish they could go back to being less informed about the cruelty and brutality of the world and just live in ignorance, but most people don’t get that choice.
Morpheus asks Neo if he wants to live in blissful ignorance (the way Cypher eventually decides to do) or if he wants to deal with the uncomfortable reality. Part of being a computer hacker is that quest for knowledge for no real gain despite the risks.
wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
So, as Cypher made clear, the main draw of the matrix was that he didn’t have to spend his entire life being miserable, with shit to eat, and nothing interesting to do. Soo… What about the constructs? If they could simulate people and sensory input with fidelity, couldn’t they simulate the experience of a juicy steak? Why, when they weren’t actually spending their time outside the matrix doing much other than sitting in a spaceship, wouldn’t they just spend 6 hours a day in the construct? Wouldn’t that have given them all much more practice with breaking the construct of the matrix, and also let them have the nice stuff that the matrix offered, and also knowing that they were the masters of their own destinies? It seems like Morpheus was just a shitty manager, and Cypher was unfulfilled in his job.
BootyEnthusiast@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Cypher explicitly states he doesn’t want to remember ANYTHING.
Going into a construct doesn’t remove your memories, so he KNOWS it’s all fake, which means it doesn’t carry any weight or meaning to it all.
Having his memory wiped is the only way.
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Personally, I wouldn’t give AF if it was “fake”. Fake is perspective.
wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
A great point, but I wonder if it would have reached that point if cypher had been given relaxation time and good experiences in the construct.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Mouse figured that out but Switch was a wet blanket.
rumba@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
It’s an excellent point, but that would only work for those awoken. The “genuine children of zion” have no ports.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I remember his office from the movie. It was not comfy.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 2 months ago
He had his head own cubicle. Better than any of the “open plan” offices I spent years working in.
jj4211@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That’s the fun part, in that time, cubicles were seen as terrible, dystopian, cheapass things because folks used to have offices, and how much cheaper could it really get than some flimsy modular furniture for you to sit at?
Then the companies gestured to just some tables in a room and said “figure it out, and no assigned seating, so just figure it out each day” to show how cheap and how little regard they have for the employees.
At this rate, I fully expect in the next few years for the next wave in office space optimization: Image
nightlily@leminal.space 2 months ago
I’ve worked in open plan offices my entire 20 year career and I yearn for the cheap fabric covered mines.
ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
This was 1999; it was standard.
TallonMetroid@lemmy.world 2 months ago
…Did Neo have an active social life? Admittedly I have seen the movie in forever, but IIRC he didn’t have much going on other than work and being a hacker.
rnkn@lemmy.world 2 months ago
He followed the white rabbit so he could stand in the corner of a rave.
maltasoron@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
And then speaks to one girl and promptly falls in love with her.
MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Well, it definitely would have been easier to build an active social life than to take the red pill.
ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 2 months ago
Yeah but at least I’m part of an armed resistance trying to win back their freedom.
ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
So terrorists. You’re saying that’s a good thing?
ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 2 months ago
One person’S terrorist is another’s freedom fighter.
sundray@lemmus.org 2 months ago
If Zion lets me sleep in, then unplug me from the jelly-pod.
horn_e4_beaver@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
You mean choosing whether to live with purpose or just continue to exist?
ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
You have never dated a punk. You have never been in love with anyone adapted to poverty who had any sense of adventure.
horn_e4_beaver@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
You’re an odd morpheus.
plutopos@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
The Matrix would have been better if there had been a stronger incentive to leaving the Matrix. It’s still a great film though.
Unlike it’s cheap imitations that miss the mark entirely (cough cough Persona 5 Royal)
OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Star Trek had several episodes which touched on the idea, even if you build a perfect fake utopia, it’s still fake. And reality is ultimately better than a false life (for most people).
db2@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Red Dwarf did it better though.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 months ago
I think human beings have evolved to see a fake reality, because true reality is too complex for our minds to process and simplifying it saves on resources.
I think the desire for reality is a trap that will make you vulnerable to all sorts of cognitive biases. I think the rich have learned to use the desire for reality against us. I think the only way to be free is to choose to create our own unreality. I think through mental techniques to reshape our beliefs, we can achieve the power to break out of the capitalist mind prison.
FooBarrington@lemmy.world 2 months ago
But that would drastically change the message, no? People should choose to leave the Matrix because the reward is living in reality, even if it’s harder and there’s no other reward.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Persona 5 has it’s issues, but it never once occurred to me that it had any similarities to The Matrix.
I mean, I guess thinking about it now I can see some parallels, but to call it a “cheap imitation” seems a little absurd. They’re two entirely different stories
plutopos@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
It’s mostly the third semester plotline which imo is poorly written because, unlike the matrix, the villain has the power to actually rewrite reality. And yet, when the protagonists turn him good, he doesn’t start using his powers for good, fixing injustice, giving everyone (not just the protagonists) the power to shape their own fate… no, he just stops using those powers. The altered world is presented as a ‘false reality’, like in matrix, even though it’s clearly stated that it would eventually become real. It’s as if they took the core idea of matrix but forgot the parts that made it work in the original story
razzazzika@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Better than a soul crushing office job
GeorgimusPrime@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Before The Matrix, there was The Invisibles. Before Morpheus, there was King Mob. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invisibles
TIN@feddit.uk 2 months ago
To counteract this, Morrison suggested a “wankathon” in the hope of bringing about a magical increase in sales by a mass of fans simultaneously masturbating at a set time.[3] Phil Jiminez taking over art duties, and a more conventional story style in volume 2, may have helped as well.
TheBrideWoreCrimson@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
And before that, there was Fassbinder’s World on a Wire, which features different characters, but parts of the premise - in particular, a simulated world with a landline as the connection between the worlds.
And this, in turn, has it’s roots in a 1964 novel called Simulacron-3.cyan_mess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
The trans woman is named Lord Fanny and her focus chapter, fucking She-Man 😭
vane@lemmy.world 2 months ago
6244901@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
neooooo
PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Neo was powerful. I wonder if he could have gained the same abilities, without the help of Morpheus, throughout his time in the matrix. Were he able to do so, he could have lived a nice life inside. I guess Neo felt a higher calling to free mankind or something, so he left… or maybe Morpheus just didn’t tell him the whole picture before offering the pill. Morpheus probably needed a powerful warrior and just rolled the dice on Neo.
Anyway… had I known the whole picture, I’d have stayed inside.muzzle@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
merc@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Morpheus says that line to Neo from within the Matrix. I think he’s basically saying to Neo that if he just used words to explain it, Neo would never fully understand or believe it. Aside from his encounter with the agents, Neo has never apparently questioned whether he’s actually living in reality or in a simulation.
Keep in mind that this is 1999 when the peak of computer graphics is Quake 3, Unreal Tournament and Crazy Taxi.
MousePotatoDoesStuff@piefed.social 2 months ago
Fun headcanon idea: Morpheus is perfectly capable of explaining the idea of the Matrix but he avoids it to avoid the inevitable “what’s the outside like” question.
DotairZee@lemmy.world 2 months ago
but also the rave orgies.
jobbies@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Id rather stay in the matrix and pretend I’m eating steak, thank you very much.
solidheron@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
why have slop in reality when you can have steak in the matrix… whatever the Simpsons said.
exploring the matrix would be cool
lime@feddit.nu 2 months ago
you know you can’t resist those eyes
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aeronmelon@lemmy.world 2 months ago
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