Most people have PHD intelligence. They just don’t have the motivation, need or care to do all that fucking work to get it.
Lol, lmao even.
Submitted 2 months ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz
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rafoix@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
tetris11@feddit.uk 2 months ago
To be honest, as I chat with more and more random strangers these days it does begin to dawn on me that we all do roughly spend ~70 years on this planet devoting our attention to one thing or another, and that though people might not have what is seen as “classical intelligence” (i.e. high IQ’s, political savvy, high empathy / sociopathy, etc.), we are genuinely absolutely genius’s in one particular field or another.
For example, I had an old roommate whose politics would make me drink and stare at the horizon whilst he consistently acted against his own self interests to punish people he was told are responsibly for his financial lot in life. But, he was an absolute wizard when it came to predicting the outcome of a sports game. It could be anything, he immediately ran their stats straight off the top off his head, summarized their strengths and weaknesses and came out with an outcome that was on the whole close to the truth.
Another example, my ex. We never really had deep philosophical discussions about the state of the world, and her consumerist lifestyle was one I tried to actively ignore. But, she was incredible at turning a house into a home – her interior design skills would genuinely surprise me at how well-thought out and in-depth they were, not only in terms of style and decor, but also in the way that she would execute and coordinate the tasks with me to beautify our home.
TL;DR – I do really think most people have high intelligence in one specific field or another, we just value people unequally using classical measures of success (wealth, education)
jaybone@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
If your roommate was so good at predicting the outcome of sporting events, couldn’t he have used that skill to fix his financial situation, rather than blame others?
WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 2 months ago
I have a PHD in interior decorating too!
Jhex@lemmy.world 2 months ago
… or the money to go on that journey
FinalRemix@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Maybe it’s just my field, but every PhD program I’ve seen, applied to, attended, sent attends to, etc… was basically paid for, outright. Mostly it’s a matter of moving, which is a gigantic bitch.
LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 2 months ago
no they fucking don’t
I would not be surprised if a simple majority of Americans were functionally illiterate at this point. 5 years ago it was over 1/7 in my state and let’s just say I don’t live in the deep south or midwest
lib1@hexbear.net 2 months ago
That’s not a matter of capacity though. Most kids are able to learn to read through immersion and almost all of the remaining kids can learn through appropriate intervention. This is why literacy is largely a policy decision rather than a matter of aptitude.
pHr34kY@lemmy.world 2 months ago
To obtain a PhD, you need to contribute something original to your field of study, not just regurgitate what you’ve scraped from other studies.
bigfondue@lemmy.world 2 months ago
If it spouts out enough nonsense something will be right eventually
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 months ago
GPT5 is gonna monkey a new hamlet?
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 months ago
ceos are so obsessed with this and thinking it can replace doctors in diagnosing people too.
IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Maybe not replace, but some flavour of AI is already pretty good at analyzing patterns on x-ray images and stuff like that which might be significant help to doctors in the future. Obviously not the glorified autocorrect Altman is running with hype-money, but actually useful neural network things (or whatever they really are, I’m not one building them).
KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 2 months ago
The word ‘intelligence’ doing a lot of heavy lifting in that headline.
MarriedCavelady50@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Can I eat this uranium GPT5 physicist?
Of course you can. Since it’s flavor is a little metallic, you might want to grind it and use it as a seasoning with your preferred dish.Dadifer@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You can eat anything once.
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
I hate the way the media makes this problem so much worse by incorrectly describing LLMs. They can’t “have intelligence”. They are incapable of any kind of thought. The “intelligence” of GPT1 and GPT5 are the same, in that neither have any. They are complex computational algorithms designed to generate text from prompts. That is absolutely not the same thing as thinking or knowing things.
There are entire cults springing out of the ground believing LLMs to literally be thinking feeling beings 💀 we are so beyond fucked.
BillBurBaggins@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You can say the same thing about an ant or a slug. I don’t think the philosophy of what intelligence is is as cut and dry as what you say.
I agree they’re pretty stupid, but I wouldn’t say they’re zero on a scale of zero to human. If an llm type algorithm happens to be some part of the human intelligence algorithm then an llm has some fraction of intelligence
Empricorn@feddit.nl 2 months ago
Just a few… more… trillion dollars! And all your drinking water.
FinalRemix@lemmy.world 2 months ago
And slave labor, not only to build the hardware, but to view the mountains of CSAM and other heinous material to build the “guardrails”
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 months ago
PhDs themselves aren’t very smart. They’re just sheets of paper. 🤷♂️
victorz@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Is a thing smart if it holds knowledge?
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They also talk about evolution when they keep deploying the same tweaked architecture.
They’re also talking about data centers in space, while being too cheap to use anything but evaporative cooling + gas generators on Earth.
I did some math on, say, launch costs for an Earth-data center sized installation, or the area needed to radiatively cool it, and it is fun. Those space construction startups know what they’re doing. They’re playing billionaires for fools; and it’s working.
fossilesque@mander.xyz 2 months ago
Capitalism is a cult.
pivot_root@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They’re selling billionaires a bridge to nowhere; and it’s working.
That’s just wealth redistribution /s
ulterno@programming.dev 2 months ago
Those space construction startups know what they’re doing. They’re selling billionaires a bridge to nowhere; and it’s working.
Guess I should have gone
CHAinstead ofINT.
I might have gotten some of that billionaire money to buy more RAM.dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They’re selling billionaires a bridge to nowhere; and it’s working.
Look, I’m not saying it’s a good thing. In fact, it would be an insanely wasteful use of resources, labor, energy, etc.
That said, folks are all about “eat the rich” and this may very well be the closest thing to that.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 months ago
“Scam the rich,” perhaps?
phaedrus@piefed.world 2 months ago
Intelligence or Hallucinations?
you keep using that word, but I do not think it means what you think it means
Glytch@lemmy.world 2 months ago
What drug do I need to take to get PhD level hallucinations? The ones I’ve had so far are at best GED level.
phaedrus@piefed.world 2 months ago
Be an alcoholic for a few decades?
fossilesque@mander.xyz 2 months ago
RIP
pyre@lemmy.world 2 months ago
PhD is not even a “level of intelligence”.
SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 2 months ago
Well it's a phrase for those of "not-PhD" level.
matlag@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
That’s ok. This is intended to people with clueless-decision-maker intelligence level.
howrar@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
PhD level of sufficiently regular but transient discipline and hyperfocus.
notreallyhere@lemmy.world 2 months ago
so it still won’t know how to make me a sandwitch?
fossilesque@mander.xyz 2 months ago
I just want it to cook for me and clean my goddamn house.
notreallyhere@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’d settle for laundry and dishes
tacosanonymous@mander.xyz 2 months ago
For real. I want Rosie the Robot not HAL 9000.
Today@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Can it get the trash into the trash bin and the recycling into you recycling bin? The intelligent thing in my house is lacking in this area. Also, with changing the toilet paper. Who’s working on these important issues?
markovs_gun@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I feel like I’ve been hearing this stupid “PhD level intelligence” claim about every LLM that’s come out since ChatGPT was first released, including GPT-3.0 which it launched with. It kind of amazes me that people keep falling for it and not questioning how the new model having “PhD level intelligence” is both a true claim and also noteworthy when the claim is made about every new model.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Iv met enough phd holders to know that they can and frequently are still unabashedly wrong on the vast majority of everything they talk about that isn’t hyper specific to a narrow and niche topic.
So phd level intelligence to me just means it’s more prone to the being confidently wrong and judgemental.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 months ago
sometimes they are outdated if they have been doing projects or research for a while too.
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
It will analyze and parse primary sources with all the discernment of a pure math PhD! Design bridges with all the insight of a literature PhD! Diagnose medical problems with all the experience of a supreme court justice!
kibiz0r@midwest.social 2 months ago
chocosoldier@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
why do they look like gelflings?
Evil_Incarnate@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Disney contract.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 months ago
just looks like a fusion of these 2(scarlet witch)
WanderWisley@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Me: “Hey GPT-5 Ive been diagnosed cancer.” GPT-5: “Have you thought about using cocaine and essential oils!”
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yes! But I still have cancer
InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Based on the fact that they’d give someone like me a PhD, this comes as no surprise. But it’s not saying as much about GPT-5 as a lot of people might think.
Phegan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Someone with a PHD isn’t inherently more intelligent than other humans. They are able to put in the time and effort to become a subject matter expert in a field.
I get that it’s all buzz, but they simply don’t understand human intelligence, how can they even dream to replicate it. AGI is a myth.
My wife is currently writing her dissertation. So no shade to PHDs.
Engywuck@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
If you take me as the reference PhD, then it’d be stupid as fuck.
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
I know at least one Ph. D. where this could very well be true.
1984@lemmy.today 2 months ago
Sam Altman wants to raise babies using AI.
Never forget.
herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
GPT5 was an effort by OpenAI to reduce costs. It is not smarter than the latest GPT4 models.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 months ago
As someone who has a PhD and self identifies as a dumbass I can confidently say, it is not a high bar
RustyNova@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They said that for v3.5 lol
Greg@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Maybe she meant PDF level intelligence
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
does that mean it’s also going to have PhD-level depression
y0kai@anarchist.nexus 2 months ago
it’ll know all about cellular biology and not be able to operate a cash register.
SethTaylor@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I know a dude with a PhD in Computer Science who’s far-right and his sister is a psychiatrist who thinks conversion therapy works lol lmao
billwashere@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Work in Academia … I’m not sure this is a high bar.
ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
I still really doubt the ability for LLMs to develop new knowledge and experiment to prove its accuracy. They do a below average job at spitting out existing knowledge but creating new information that isn’t already on Wikipedia or elsewhere on the internet is something else beyond their scope.
MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world 2 months ago
“Intelligence” is such a dumb word.
groet@feddit.org 2 months ago
Yes. “PhD” level intelligence. Not PhD level intelligence. The quotes are part of the word. They are not optional.
fckreddit@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Am I supposed to be impressed? I have a PhD level intelligence and I am not exactly impressive.
ryathal@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
You missed what they meant. It means gpt5 is really good at one arbitrary and extremely specific topic. Anything else it’s comparable with a random person on the street.
pennomi@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Reality is the opposite though. GPT5 is expert in a pretty wide amount of trivia. It’s better than the average uneducated person in every subject, but worse than an expert in every subject.
howrar@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
I’d say we’re actually worse than the average person at everything else. Too much of our brain is allocated to our research.
fossilesque@mander.xyz 2 months ago
I still count and do math with my fingers and still fuck it up. I guess they’re just like us. 🥲
Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I would like to see you count 1.33 + 3.25 on your fingers. 🙂
arctanthrope@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I do that and I have a BS in mathematics. and in 4th grade I literally used to write “I hate math” at the top of my math homework. as much as primary education systems want it to be, computation speed is not mathematical aptitude. you can memorize multiplication tables up to 20, that’s not gonna help you understand Cantor’s theorem
FundMECFS@anarchist.nexus 2 months ago
LMAO right.
This PhD = Genius trope needs to end.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
How much of that is the fault of colleges? All that shit about requiring science majors to take liberal arts classes or art majors taking calculus to make them “well rounded.” A bachelor’s degree is supposed to be a mark that you’re just all around better educated than someone with a mere high school diploma, to the point that “It doesn’t matter what you major in, just get a degree” is somehow valid advice. But a doctorate is awarded for a significant work of original research; a Ph. D. means you’re the world’s foremost expert in some tiny corner of a sub-discipline, kind of the opposite of being “well rounded.”
MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world 2 months ago
Right? I know more shit than some people on some topics…and less shit than other people on other topics.
Expertise might be what they were going for…but they can’t say that because AI can’t have expertise on anything.
fckreddit@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Expertise is about knowing what you don’t know, just as much about what you know. The terms like “PhD level intelligence” are meant to mislead people. LLMs cannot understand simply because they are just statistical parrots. Only fools blindly trust output of LLMs.