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⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨IT'S A TRAP⁩ ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:
In the top case has it been arbitrarily decided to include space in between the would-be victims? Or is the top a like number line comparison to the bottom? Because if thats the case it becomes relevant if there is one body for every real number unit of distance. (One body at 0.1 meter, and at 0.01 meter, at 0.001, etc)

If so then there’s an infinite amount of victims on the first planck length of the bottom track. An infinite number of victims would contain every possible victim. Every single possible person on the first plank length. So on the next planck length would be every possible person again. Which would mean that the bottom track is actually choosing a universe of perpetual endless suffering and death for every single possible person. The top track would eventually cause infinite suffering but it would take forever to get there. The bottom track starts at infinite suffering and extends infinitely in this manner.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Plants looking at people looking at people looking at fungi⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
We are. You keep ignoring the majority of what I say. You also haven’t really pushed back in any way on the majority of what I’ve said. Scientists work with different definitions, right, and so we are talking about sex as it relates to people and how we categorize people. I am asking how we can use a definition of sex based exclusively on gametes in specific situations, specifically to highlight to you that that definition itself is not all that useful when applied to people.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Plants looking at people looking at people looking at fungi⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Let me return to your original comment, again.

No, we only have 2 sexes. Sperm producers and egg producers. We call those male and female. All of the other stuff is window dressing.

And the comment I was responding to.

Since I don’t think fungi have a social structure, those are sexes. Humans have two Sexes but also gender expression, conflating those is how transphobes come to their views.

We have been talking about sex in humans this entire time, a subject you are for some reason determined to avoid? Lol

You didnt answer if theyre still female after menopause though. They don’t produce gametes. So they no longer meet the stated definition. And would therefore now be sexless. As would any sterile person. This is an inherent limitation of equating sex 1 to 1 with gametes production. Animals and plants couldnt care less what we think about them. Other people however do tend to care how we talk about them. And I doubt anyone, literally anyone, would agree that anyone who is sterile is no longer male or female. This is an example of the way that the definitions of terms can be one thing in one context and another in a different one. When the word sex is used in common parlance it is usually not as a reference to gametes.

What we are discussing is how to discuss people who are neither male or female. Sex, yes even in the literal Wikipedia definition, defines 2 categories. Not all organisms fit within those 2 categories. Therefore there are more than 2 categories. That is the entirety of my held position.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Plants looking at people looking at people looking at fungi⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Your reductive approach to understanding biology is unhelpful in the context of humans. A better statement is “humans only produce 2 gametes”, which is at least accurate. Sex as it exists for people and as it relates to people has really nothing to do with gametes. It is associated with gametes, but is for the most part unrelated to them. The window dressing you mentioned is actually what people generally mean by sex. All of the other things. Even biologists usually mean the window dressing. They dont ask to test subjects gametes before performing studies on them. They accept their stated sex (which is nearly always their assigned sex, and therefore based on external appearance) or what it says on some legal documentation (same as previous) and then accept that assignment.

The word sex used in the context of human traits just does not refer to gametes. You can define it that way, the same way I might define apples as vegetables, but if that definition is entirely divorced from what the word actually means in every day life then what is the purpose of the definition? It serves no purpose. Humans and mushrooms can hardly be equated, and approaching the concept of sex the same in each case is going to do very little except ostracize intersex people and make society generally inhospitable to them.

You essentially avoided answering my previous questions here. Are you saying that post menopausal women are no longer female? Just clarifying. I am pretty sure that if that is the case and you stand by that definition then you stand very much alone.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Plants looking at people looking at people looking at fungi⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
So you would define them as each as sexless and therefore belonging to the same sex category? I would argue that youve assigned a “third sex” category to them in doing so. If the options are male/female/neither/both, then you’re proposing a system of 4 categories. One which is solely focused on reproductive cells, which is not and never has been the definition of sex in humans.

You said earlier that all secondary sex characteristics, being secondary characteristics, are “window dressing”. Downstream consequences of reproductive cells. How do we account for this in the example I mentioned in my previous comment? The 2 sterile humans, one assigned female at birth and one assigned male at birth. They have the same “sex category”, neither has any reproductive cells of any kind. They should both have no secondary sex characteristics if that is the case, using your own statements. Why then is that not the case? And more to a direct point, why doesnt their drivers license have a “N/A” next to the “Sex” marker?

What happens when someone loses their ability to produce reproductive cells? Are cis women going through menopause “formerly female” and therefore now “sterile, sexless”? Are cis men who have had to have their reproductive organs removed “formerly male” and therefore now “sterile, sexless”?
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Plants looking at people looking at people looking at fungi⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
I’ll now return to your original comment.

No, we only have 2 sexes. Sperm producers and egg producers. We call those male and female. All of the other stuff is window dressing.

Some people do not produce a gamete. Some people can produce both. What sex are each of those people? One person is assigned female at birth and another person is assigned male at birth, but they are both sterile and incapable of producing any gametes. Are they the same sex? What sex are they?
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Plants looking at people looking at people looking at fungi⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

Since I don’t think fungi have a social structure, those are sexes. Humans have two Sexes but also gender expression, conflating those is how transphobes come to their views.

This is the comment I was responding to. Rejecting an organism as sterile offspring does literally nothing to answer what sex that organism is. What sex is the “sterile offspring”?
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Plants looking at people looking at people looking at fungi⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Also to add to what I said in my other comment, sex as a working definition affects many areas of our lives. You may define sex as the production of gametes, but being male or female affects gigantic areas of our social lives and comes with a massive number of tacked on traits. Far from merely being a definition of biology it affects our experience of every single aspect of society. Sex is all of those things too. We can argue that it shouldn’t be, that it should be an entirely unrelated and inconsequential trait (which would also mean that we can easily recognize that people outside of the binary categories exist), but the reality is it doesn’t mean that.

Society requires you to have a sex. If you are an intersex person you are functionally incapable of interacting meaningfully with a society that does not recognize people who are neither male or female. For instance, when bathroom bans are passed, where should intersex people go? Where can you go if society has adopted a rigid binary view of sex and you are not male or female? What social services are you entitled to? What prisons should you be put in? Sex in terms of a rigid binary category dichotomy functionally erases the existence of intersex people and adds a huge amount of barriers to their lives.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Plants looking at people looking at people looking at fungi⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
I’m not conflating them, I am showing that a textbook definition and working definition are not the same thing. Human society functions on working definitions of sex, which are almost universally appearance based. It all comes down to what a doctor sees when you’re born. Thats the functional definition of sex in terms of human society. Thats what sex means to people in day to day life. What your physical body looks like upon visual examination.

You’ve still refused to answer for the shortcomings of your provided textbook definition. What sex is an organism that produces no gametes? What sex is an organism that produces both? Both of those things are things that can and do happen, to humans as well. Does someone’s sex change once they no longer produce any gametes? Your definition of binary sex must necessarily account for every single one of these cases and still find a way to sort them all into 2 categories without any exceptions.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Plants looking at people looking at people looking at fungi⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Gametes are not useful for this definition, not everyone produces any gametes. More to the actual root of the problem, sex is almost never determined by gametes or by chromosomes. Genetics is very rarely the basis by which sex is determined. It is almost exclusively determined by external appearance. Legitimately, almost 100% of the time. In rare circumstances tests are performed to determine intersex status. But for the overwhelming majority of people the only basis by which their sex has ever been determined is by external appearance.

Gamete production is cool and what not. It is also almost entirely irrelevant to the discussion of intersex people and the precise number of sexes there are. Strictly speaking not all organisms are sortable into the categories of male and female. Thats the reality. To ignore them is to deny reality. To define them as malformed is to dehumanize them. To demand they exist in a binary world ignorant to their experience is to discriminate against them.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Plants looking at people looking at people looking at fungi⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
How kind of you to brush all intersex people off as “window dressing”. Also, I guess you dont exist at all if you dont produce eggs or sperms then.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Plants looking at people looking at people looking at fungi⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Humans have more than 2 sexes. Sex is a convenient category based around a phenotype, not a golden rule that all organisms adhere to. People who exist outside those phenotypes are not defective or malformed and do not necessarily require surgeries to ‘correct’ their bodies and make them fall in line with binary sex categories.

By asserting sex as binary and immutable you are actually doing the legwork of transphobia for transphobes. They also assert that sex is binary and immutable. They deny that anything such thing as gender identity or expression exists in the first place, instead asserting that gendered behavior is a direct product of biology.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨I'm doing my part!⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:
I think it’s more like a response to the way one of these things is given a disproportionate amount of time and attention. We’re all expected to micromanage every aspect of our lives to diminish our comparatively miniscule impact of personal choice while the state and the ruling class just do whatever the fuck they want actively slaughtering the environment for fun.

You know what would help me minimize my carbon footprint a lot? Public transportation. A renewable energy grid. Affordable food created along sustainable and environmentally conscious supply chains. Electronics and clothing that is manufactured with long term use, maintenance, and recyclability in mind.

Those things are all out of my reach to implement. Me properly sorting my recyclables (which i do) is such a minor impact compared with those other things. Any offsetting done by proper recycling is immediately undone the moment i step into a grocery store, having driven there in my car for lack of public transportation, and buy food that was wastefully produced and transported to my grocery store via fossil fuel based energy.

The majority of our time and energy should be going into fighting back against the state and the ruling class who refuse to structure society around environmental impact, not on almost the almost irrelevant impact of individual workers. We can and should promote recycling, but we can hammer home that point when our whole society isn’t top down engineered with total indifference to the environment.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Public transit in Chengdu, China versus Toronto, Canada⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:
You can think whatever you like I suppose, but it helps if you provide a source.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Public transit in Chengdu, China versus Toronto, Canada⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:
I dont think that it requires a single party system to do this. Just much more coordinated public industries and infrastructure projects where public development is prioritized.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨naruto therapy⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:
Do you just not like shonen? Naruto, especially Shippuden, is great in my opinion. It has highs and lows and plenty of brutal filler, but also some of the most iconic fights in anime history and was hugely influential on the modern shonen genre.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Too many non-working holidays in America.⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:
She literally has a seat on the nation security council, meaning she is directly involved in all decision making surrounding US military interests and foreign policy. She sat in the “situation room” and had a direct say in US foreign policy decisions.

She participated in decision making surrounding US participation in the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. Its really not disputable. The VP used to be far more a ceremonial position in the 19th century. In the modern era this is not the case.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Too many non-working holidays in America.⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:
“Moderate genocide and gay marriage”

Genuinely beyond parody. And your problem isnt that that was the only alternative lmao. Neoliberals say the wildest things
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Too many non-working holidays in America.⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:
We don’t have to talk in hypothetical. The democratic party ran on a campaign of kicking immigrants out of the country, continuation of the declining state of late stage capitalism, and state sponsored slaughter of Palestinian children overseas.

They could have not done that. Its as simple as that. Straight forward. They could have run a campaign standing up for human rights and a platform of workers rights. Thats it. Thats the problem. The problem is a far right conservative party vs a fascist party and those are the only 2 parties. Democrats lost the election. If they had campaigned differently, they wouldn’t have lost. Demand better from politicians, not for people to vote for the murder of their own families.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Too many non-working holidays in America.⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:
Wild how in one breath you call for a complex nuanced web of cause and effect for why voting for Harris was a morally good choice despite her committing genocide, then in the next breath absolve of her of all responsibility for her defeat 😂 you are the exact reason the democratic party loses again and again and again. You are either a truly passionate neoliberal conservative who genuinely believes in the democratic party platform of western colonialism and unbounded American capitalism, or else you are so horrified by the prospect of actually doing anything to change the system that you’d actually vote for a fascist candidate if the democratic party ran with one.

How can you absolve Harris of all responsibility for her own loss when she campaigned on far right anti-immigration politics and literal genocide?? You seriously don’t believe she could’ve done anything differently to not lose the election? Youre furious some Palestinian Americans wouldn’t vote for her because she enthusiastically pledged to participate in the genocide of her people, but youre not mad at her for enthusiastically pledging to participate in genocide in the first place? Are you a zionist? I’m starting to think none of what you have to say makes any sense unless you yourself are a zionist.

If dems run a fascist next election against Trump, the trend has been “they move right we move right” since the Reagan administration, are you gonna vote for them? Will you speak up? Will you say “the blue antisemite is better than the red one”? Do you have any moral values whatsoever? Is your only moral qualm with Donald Trump that he’s crass?

Keep on punching down on those damn Palestinian Americans. You know, with an attitude like you’ve got you could probably swing that into a lucrative career at ICE. They love people who devote themselves to punching down on the marginalized.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Too many non-working holidays in America.⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:
Right, which the Harris campaign did by being more committed to zionism than to keeping Donald Trump out of power. Similarly to how she completely eschewed a working class first platform in favor of appealing to corporate sponsors. Maintaining American capitalism was more important to the Harris campaign than keeping Donald Trump out of power. That’s all her. No one did that to her.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Too many non-working holidays in America.⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:
Correct. She is at fault in this situation for being an enthusiastic supporter of genocide. Not the Palestinian Americans who demanded better from the democratic party.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Too many non-working holidays in America.⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:
Okay were going in circles but sure I will reiterate again, why not. Its incredible you can repeat it so many times and still not see how you’re just punching down on Palestinian Americans at this point for literally no reason but western spite towards an ethnic minority group.
1. The election is over. Your rage at them is based on a hypothetical alternate reality that does not and cannot exist.
2. An equally possible hypothetical alternate reality is one where Kamala denounced Israel for committing the Palestinian genocide and committed to ending American involvement in the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
3. In that hypothetical reality the people who wouldn’t vote for her due to her support of genocide would have instead voted for her.
It is therefore ludicrous that your best possible solution to this situation is for the genocide to persist but for Palestinian Americans to vote for it to continue. Instead of Kamala changing her stance of enthusiastic support for genocide. Which she could’ve done at any time. And which would’ve gotten all those people to vote for her. Your rage should be directed at her placing support for Zionism over the defeat of a fascist candidate. It was more important to her that the Palestinian genocide continued than it was for Donald Trump to lose the election.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Too many non-working holidays in America.⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:
And, again, the election is over. We could have had a “no genocide” candidate if Kamala Harris had chosen to do so. So ill ask again, why are you spitting at Palestinian Americans for refusing to support someone participating in the ethnic cleansing of their people, instead of the woman who refused to commit to ending American participation in the Palestinian genocide? If she had done that, those people would have voted for her.

We’re talking about hypotheticals in either case. Your rage is fixated solely on people who wouldn’t vote for her because of her support for the Palestinian genocide, instead of at her for supporting it in the first place. It doesn’t make any sense. The end outcome wouldve been those people voting for her in either hypothetical scenario, so why are you so angry at them and not her when she had just as much of a say in this situation?
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Too many non-working holidays in America.⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:
I mean I’m not really referring to the specifics of her station presiding over the senate but she was the second most powerful political figure in the Biden administration. Directly involved in the national security council (which would have definitely meant her involvement in decision making with regards to the Palestinian genocide). The Vice President also often provides ideological support to the president in functions of state. She more than had a platform to speak out if she thought what Israel was doing was wrong. She couldn’t his overrule his executive authority, but she was not under an obligation to support and agree with his actions in participating in the Palestinian genocide.

Nor was she obligated to campaign on continuing that genocide.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Too many non-working holidays in America.⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:
Giving money and arms to a genocidal state, yes, i would define as participating in genocide. Much like I would say companies who manufactured weapons used in past genocides did commit acts of genocide, even if they are not personally pulling the trigger.

The extent to which her direct involvement happened is debatable. Ill agree it is somewhat ceremonial but it isnt entirely and theres no way over the course of a year she was never at any point involved in the politics surrounding the genocide in Gaza. Providing ideological support for genocide can also be argued to be participating in it. “Israel has a right to defend itself.” Is a simple statement made by a citizen, an endorsement of zionism and of genocide. On the scale of a powerful political figure (vp of the US is more powerful in terms of direct political power than the leaders of many nations) it is actively participating in genocide, or committing it. I don’t draw a major distinction between the Nazis who wrote Der Stürmer and the SS. They were both pieces of an industry of genocide. In the same way I would argue the administration of Joe Biden was a major component of the industry of Palestinian genocide.

You can argue the nuances of this, sure. She also outright stated her intention to support the genocide going forward. If she hadn’t already participated in genocide (doubtful) then unless you believe she had a secret hidden agenda of Palestinian liberation she would certainly have participated in it after being elected.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Too many non-working holidays in America.⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:
You are really tieing yourself up in knots to justify why its fine for you to continue to support a woman who committed genocide.

Again, why is so much of your ire and criticism directed at people criticizing her and not Kamala herself? You realize that if she had stopped passionately endorsing genocide and had chosen to stand with the Palestinians then those same people would have voted for her? So in one case youre demanding that many people vote for someone committing genocide against their people, and in the other we are demanding that a political party stop committing genocide. Why, in this situation, is the focus of this vitriol you feel directed at the former and not the latter?

No one here has been talking about voting for Trump, least of all me.

No seriously I want to know why your beef is with people protesting genocide and not the people committing it. Explain it. Election is over, I’m not talking about this from the perspective of voting. Election was over an eternity ago at this point. Why are you presently spitting at Palestinian Americans who refused to vote for Kamala and not Kamala herself for participating in genocide against Palestinians?
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Too many non-working holidays in America.⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:
Yes my 2 year old account history with a long, long history of criticizing the democratic party and more broadly western liberalism is a bot account. 🙄
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Too many non-working holidays in America.⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:
Mhm yeah and the whole year when Kamala and Joe could’ve stopped the genocide they did… sorry remind me what Joe Biden did while he was president and Israel was like “hey were gonna start massacring children and starving entire populations to death” ? Was it that he spreads their propaganda and hoaxes on an international stage for them? Was it that he continuously interfered with the ICC and the UN from doing ANYTHING to stop the genocide? Was it that he gave them all the money and guns and bombs they could ever dream of? Was it that he forced American universities to Crack down on anti zionist protests? Was it that he advocated essentially the same position as Donald Trump and was also very close personal friends with one of the most vile racists who’s ever lived Netanyahu?

Remind me, did they stop the Palestinian genocide when they had the presidency? Or did it not literally start and flourish under them, while they kept it safe from any interference and fed the genocidal militias.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Too many non-working holidays in America.⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:
I am not an American citizen. So, no, I had no vote begin with.

The majority of people refusing to vote for Kamala due to her direct involvement in genocide were Palestinian Americans. They continued to fund and arm Israel as they continued to commit genocide. That absolutely makes them complicit in genocide, otherwise referred to as people committing genocide. If America had defied them in any substantial way then Israel would not have been able to continue committing genocide.

Kamala is a zionist, like Joe. There was no slim chance. And IT STILL DOESNT MATTER. Again, youre acting like its IMPOSSIBLE that she could’ve just said “I will stop American complicity in the Palestinian genocide and join the rest of the UN in demanding the arrest of war criminals in Israel”. She could’ve done that 🙃 she could’ve done that at any fucking time and yet youre seemingly more upset at a very small minority of people who wouldn’t vote for her instead of her for not making a very basic decision to end American involvement in murdering Palestinian children?

WHY ISN’T THAT SHE, WHO WAS DIRECTLY COMPLICIT IN HORRIFIC ACTS OF ETHNIC CLEANSING AND REFUSED TO STOP, THE SUBJECT OF YOUR IRE??

Its NEVER “If only Kamala had promised to end American involvement in the genocide of Palestinians, hope she’s happy with herself.” Instead its always “Wow fuck the Palestinian Americans who objected to voting for someone actively supplying and protecting the people murdering their entire culture. How dare they!!”

Its all just punching down. Thats all it is. Never demand anything from the democratic party, Kamala and Joe are so fragile they might just cry if you held them accountable for anything they do. Its the fault of those evil people who are anti genocide and demanded American stop committing acts of genocide. Giving the Nazis Zyklon B would be direct involvement in what they used it for, giving the IDF missiles as you watch them throw them at preschools makes you a direct part of their industry of genocide. And she could’ve ended that. She could’ve been like “nope fuck that fuck Israel fuck Zionism my administration will end American involvement in the Palestinian genocide and join the world in calling for the arrest of war criminals and the end of Israeli colonialism”. Why is that not the desired outcome for you??