and the whole year when Kamala and Joe could’ve stopped the genocide
What is it that you think the Vice President actually does?
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LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day agoMhm yeah and the whole year when Kamala and Joe could’ve stopped the genocide they did… sorry remind me what Joe Biden did while he was president and Israel was like “hey were gonna start massacring children and starving entire populations to death” ? Was it that he spreads their propaganda and hoaxes on an international stage for them? Was it that he continuously interfered with the ICC and the UN from doing ANYTHING to stop the genocide? Was it that he gave them all the money and guns and bombs they could ever dream of? Was it that he forced American universities to Crack down on anti zionist protests? Was it that he advocated essentially the same position as Donald Trump and was also very close personal friends with one of the most vile racists who’s ever lived Netanyahu?
Remind me, did they stop the Palestinian genocide when they had the presidency? Or did it not literally start and flourish under them, while they kept it safe from any interference and fed the genocidal militias.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 hours ago
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 hours ago
I mean I’m not really referring to the specifics of her station presiding over the senate but she was the second most powerful political figure in the Biden administration. Directly involved in the national security council (which would have definitely meant her involvement in decision making with regards to the Palestinian genocide). The Vice President also often provides ideological support to the president in functions of state. She more than had a platform to speak out if she thought what Israel was doing was wrong. She couldn’t his overrule his executive authority, but she was not under an obligation to support and agree with his actions in participating in the Palestinian genocide.
Nor was she obligated to campaign on continuing that genocide.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
They worked on a ceasefire to get the hostages released. There is no world where Israel is ever going say “ok just keep our people there and torture them to death or whatever, we don’t care”. The only way there could be peace would be for the hostages be released.
The US isn’t an all powerful entity and the only source for weapons in the world. If the US stopped selling weapons to Israel, Israel would purchase weapons elsewhere. Less advanced weapons, which means less accurate, which means more people die when they do airstrikes on Hamas.
The Hamas propaganda only shows you the aftermath of a battle in a densely populated urban environment. They don’t show the Hamas guy firing at the IDF from the window of a building, they only show what happens when the IDF hits back. And remember the whole reason the IDF is in Gaza is because Hamas forcibly took Israelis into Gaza and is reusing to release them because they want this war they tell you is a genocide to continue forever. Hamas can end what they’re saying is a genocide at any time by releasing the hostages. Why don’t they do that?
Tja@programming.dev 23 hours ago
Sure, but what combat purpose is it to starve children to death? Destroy hospitals, water treatment and power plants? The IDF is a criminal organization, at this point it doesn’t matter who started it.
Tja@programming.dev 1 day ago
Kamala didn’t stop the genocide, let’s elect trump so at least the palenstinans are killed faster so the conflict is over.
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 hours ago
You are really tieing yourself up in knots to justify why its fine for you to continue to support a woman who committed genocide.
Again, why is so much of your ire and criticism directed at people criticizing her and not Kamala herself? You realize that if she had stopped passionately endorsing genocide and had chosen to stand with the Palestinians then those same people would have voted for her? So in one case youre demanding that many people vote for someone committing genocide against their people, and in the other we are demanding that a political party stop committing genocide. Why, in this situation, is the focus of this vitriol you feel directed at the former and not the latter?
No one here has been talking about voting for Trump, least of all me.
No seriously I want to know why your beef is with people protesting genocide and not the people committing it. Explain it. Election is over, I’m not talking about this from the perspective of voting. Election was over an eternity ago at this point. Why are you presently spitting at Palestinian Americans who refused to vote for Kamala and not Kamala herself for participating in genocide against Palestinians?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 hours ago
So Kamala Harris, someone who was what is essentially a ceremonial position at the time, personally committed genocide?
Either you don’t understand how the government of this country functions, or you’re being disingenuous (or probably both).
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 hours ago
Giving money and arms to a genocidal state, yes, i would define as participating in genocide. Much like I would say companies who manufactured weapons used in past genocides did commit acts of genocide, even if they are not personally pulling the trigger.
The extent to which her direct involvement happened is debatable. Ill agree it is somewhat ceremonial but it isnt entirely and theres no way over the course of a year she was never at any point involved in the politics surrounding the genocide in Gaza. Providing ideological support for genocide can also be argued to be participating in it. “Israel has a right to defend itself.” Is a simple statement made by a citizen, an endorsement of zionism and of genocide. On the scale of a powerful political figure (vp of the US is more powerful in terms of direct political power than the leaders of many nations) it is actively participating in genocide, or committing it. I don’t draw a major distinction between the Nazis who wrote Der Stürmer and the SS. They were both pieces of an industry of genocide. In the same way I would argue the administration of Joe Biden was a major component of the industry of Palestinian genocide.
You can argue the nuances of this, sure. She also outright stated her intention to support the genocide going forward. If she hadn’t already participated in genocide (doubtful) then unless you believe she had a secret hidden agenda of Palestinian liberation she would certainly have participated in it after being elected.
Tja@programming.dev 23 hours ago
Because the former helped elect trump, thus having the opposite effect. The former created more genocide. I don’t like more genocide. I didn’t like the amount of genocide we had, but I wanted less. People decided that they wouldn’t vote for the same, so we ended up with more.
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 hours ago
And, again, the election is over. We could have had a “no genocide” candidate if Kamala Harris had chosen to do so. So ill ask again, why are you spitting at Palestinian Americans for refusing to support someone participating in the ethnic cleansing of their people, instead of the woman who refused to commit to ending American participation in the Palestinian genocide? If she had done that, those people would have voted for her.
We’re talking about hypotheticals in either case. Your rage is fixated solely on people who wouldn’t vote for her because of her support for the Palestinian genocide, instead of at her for supporting it in the first place. It doesn’t make any sense. The end outcome wouldve been those people voting for her in either hypothetical scenario, so why are you so angry at them and not her when she had just as much of a say in this situation?