Good thing that at least the genocide stopped immediately, Palestinians now have their own country, the Ukraine war was negotiated on day one, eggs are a buck a dozen and everybody has Healthcare now.
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LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 hours agoI’d like it if Joe and Kamala felt some of that crushing guilt for giving missiles to the “blowing up Palestinian children with missiles brigade”. Why is your gripe with the people who wouldn’t vote for someone committing genocide and not, you know, the people committing genocide?
Just saying the democratic party could’ve not done that. Could’ve changed course on that at any time. And yet every chance you get you angrily point the finger at people who wouldn’t vote for someone committing genocide, and not the people who wouldn’t stop committing genocide. Make it make sense 😅 the election is over, its done, why is your ire still directed towards people protesting against genocide and not the perpetrators of genocide who literally could’ve stopped at any point, any point whatsoever before the election, and yet never did, never once even came close to doing that. The demand for someone to stop committing acts of mass ethnic cleansing is probably the most foundational kind of civil rights advocacy imaginable.
Imagine if Joe had stopped committing genocide, had joined the rest of the world in a united front of condemnation of zionism instead of trying to condemn Trump of bigotry while handing bomb after bomb after bomb right to the IDF. Imagine if he’d done that.
No, you’re right, the democratic party cause is built entirely on token gestures of progressivism not on actually advocating human rights. The american proletariat has never wanted the democratic party to actually fucking doing something, its actually the people asking them to do something who are truly evil!
Tja@programming.dev 18 hours ago
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 hours ago
Mhm yeah and the whole year when Kamala and Joe could’ve stopped the genocide they did… sorry remind me what Joe Biden did while he was president and Israel was like “hey were gonna start massacring children and starving entire populations to death” ? Was it that he spreads their propaganda and hoaxes on an international stage for them? Was it that he continuously interfered with the ICC and the UN from doing ANYTHING to stop the genocide? Was it that he gave them all the money and guns and bombs they could ever dream of? Was it that he forced American universities to Crack down on anti zionist protests? Was it that he advocated essentially the same position as Donald Trump and was also very close personal friends with one of the most vile racists who’s ever lived Netanyahu?
Remind me, did they stop the Palestinian genocide when they had the presidency? Or did it not literally start and flourish under them, while they kept it safe from any interference and fed the genocidal militias.
Tja@programming.dev 16 hours ago
Kamala didn’t stop the genocide, let’s elect trump so at least the palenstinans are killed faster so the conflict is over.
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 hours ago
You are really tieing yourself up in knots to justify why its fine for you to continue to support a woman who committed genocide.
Again, why is so much of your ire and criticism directed at people criticizing her and not Kamala herself? You realize that if she had stopped passionately endorsing genocide and had chosen to stand with the Palestinians then those same people would have voted for her? So in one case youre demanding that many people vote for someone committing genocide against their people, and in the other we are demanding that a political party stop committing genocide. Why, in this situation, is the focus of this vitriol you feel directed at the former and not the latter?
No one here has been talking about voting for Trump, least of all me.
No seriously I want to know why your beef is with people protesting genocide and not the people committing it. Explain it. Election is over, I’m not talking about this from the perspective of voting. Election was over an eternity ago at this point. Why are you presently spitting at Palestinian Americans who refused to vote for Kamala and not Kamala herself for participating in genocide against Palestinians?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 hours ago
and the whole year when Kamala and Joe could’ve stopped the genocide
What is it that you think the Vice President actually does?
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 hours ago
I mean I’m not really referring to the specifics of her station presiding over the senate but she was the second most powerful political figure in the Biden administration. Directly involved in the national security council (which would have definitely meant her involvement in decision making with regards to the Palestinian genocide). The Vice President also often provides ideological support to the president in functions of state. She more than had a platform to speak out if she thought what Israel was doing was wrong. She couldn’t his overrule his executive authority, but she was not under an obligation to support and agree with his actions in participating in the Palestinian genocide.
Nor was she obligated to campaign on continuing that genocide.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 15 hours ago
They worked on a ceasefire to get the hostages released. There is no world where Israel is ever going say “ok just keep our people there and torture them to death or whatever, we don’t care”. The only way there could be peace would be for the hostages be released.
The US isn’t an all powerful entity and the only source for weapons in the world. If the US stopped selling weapons to Israel, Israel would purchase weapons elsewhere. Less advanced weapons, which means less accurate, which means more people die when they do airstrikes on Hamas.
The Hamas propaganda only shows you the aftermath of a battle in a densely populated urban environment. They don’t show the Hamas guy firing at the IDF from the window of a building, they only show what happens when the IDF hits back. And remember the whole reason the IDF is in Gaza is because Hamas forcibly took Israelis into Gaza and is reusing to release them because they want this war they tell you is a genocide to continue forever. Hamas can end what they’re saying is a genocide at any time by releasing the hostages. Why don’t they do that?
Tja@programming.dev 12 hours ago
Sure, but what combat purpose is it to starve children to death? Destroy hospitals, water treatment and power plants? The IDF is a criminal organization, at this point it doesn’t matter who started it.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
They both have the same sponsors and work for them, not the public.
Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
fuck off bot
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 hours ago
Yes my 2 year old account history with a long, long history of criticizing the democratic party and more broadly western liberalism is a bot account. 🙄
gdog05@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Here’s why everyone is angry. Seemingly at people like you, I’m assuming, who decided not to vote. Democrats weren’t the ones committing the genocide!! They were absolutely enabling it. Supporting it. Israel was committing the genocide and we weren’t voting for their government. And then, on top of that, it was absolutely evident that Trump would make the genocide worse and not voting against him was effectively voting for him. And that’s on you. You did that. There was a slim chance that Kamala could improve the situation and Palestinian lives. Instead, your lack of vote ensured that wouldn’t happen, ensured that more Ukrainians would die, ensured that Africans would die, ensured that American women would die, ensured that millions of Americans will die if there’s a pandemic. And now instead of just fixing the Democratic party for the future, we’re also fighting fascism. So fucking congrats. Your short-sighted high horse didn’t take a harm reduction strategy and many human lives are now gone. You need to fucking own that.
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 hours ago
I am not an American citizen. So, no, I had no vote begin with.
The majority of people refusing to vote for Kamala due to her direct involvement in genocide were Palestinian Americans. They continued to fund and arm Israel as they continued to commit genocide. That absolutely makes them complicit in genocide, otherwise referred to as people committing genocide. If America had defied them in any substantial way then Israel would not have been able to continue committing genocide.
Kamala is a zionist, like Joe. There was no slim chance. And IT STILL DOESNT MATTER. Again, youre acting like its IMPOSSIBLE that she could’ve just said “I will stop American complicity in the Palestinian genocide and join the rest of the UN in demanding the arrest of war criminals in Israel”. She could’ve done that 🙃 she could’ve done that at any fucking time and yet youre seemingly more upset at a very small minority of people who wouldn’t vote for her instead of her for not making a very basic decision to end American involvement in murdering Palestinian children?
WHY ISN’T THAT SHE, WHO WAS DIRECTLY COMPLICIT IN HORRIFIC ACTS OF ETHNIC CLEANSING AND REFUSED TO STOP, THE SUBJECT OF YOUR IRE??
Its NEVER “If only Kamala had promised to end American involvement in the genocide of Palestinians, hope she’s happy with herself.” Instead its always “Wow fuck the Palestinian Americans who objected to voting for someone actively supplying and protecting the people murdering their entire culture. How dare they!!”
Its all just punching down. Thats all it is. Never demand anything from the democratic party, Kamala and Joe are so fragile they might just cry if you held them accountable for anything they do. Its the fault of those evil people who are anti genocide and demanded American stop committing acts of genocide. Giving the Nazis Zyklon B would be direct involvement in what they used it for, giving the IDF missiles as you watch them throw them at preschools makes you a direct part of their industry of genocide. And she could’ve ended that. She could’ve been like “nope fuck that fuck Israel fuck Zionism my administration will end American involvement in the Palestinian genocide and join the world in calling for the arrest of war criminals and the end of Israeli colonialism”. Why is that not the desired outcome for you??
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
You people are insane
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prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 hours ago
Could be wrong, but that photo of Harris looks edited.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
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They picked a picture not to your liking therefore those verified numbers must be wrong
Jimbel@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
I agree with you. But also a democracy with only one democratic party is already a failed democracy from my point of view. So not only one party should be fixed as you said, but the whole two party system. I guess…