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Angry_Autist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

• HK65@sopuli.xyz ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Look, on the one hand, I understand your sentiment. On the other hand, these are the voters you have, blaming them won’t get them to the polls, “teaching them a lesson” won’t get them to the polls. As hard as it may be to primary the Dems who are voting for Trump’s picks, who are voting for genocide, who are even trying to pull Trump towards war right now, it is still easier than getting new voters if you’re not into domestic genocide like Trump.

  I understand you’re frustrated with voters, but it’s something that you can’t change. Some people will not vote if the options are “one genocide or two genocides”. You can change the politicians, try to get more people like AOC and Bernie and less people like Schumer though.

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  • Angry_Autist@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Then those people are just as culpable for fascism’s rise and I will treat them as such.

    rusty shitbox is ALWAYS better than radioactive rusty shitbox that is also on fire

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  • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    “AOC and Bernie”
    LOL

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    • HK65@sopuli.xyz ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I get they are not “left enough”, but who do you have in the US that is not radical right wing? I agree that maybe throwing the whole thing out and starting out again would be better, and the US is definitely going that way, but what do you suggest?

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      • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You have De la Cruz and others.
        They get targeted, not sheepdog Bernie ‘israel has a right to defend itself’ or AOC.
        They are all part of it. If Americans keep trying to fix that party then they deserve what they get.
        I’m European and it’s completely obvious.
        Are Americans really that stupid that they keep believing empty words from politicians and don’t do some research?

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• LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’d like it if Joe and Kamala felt some of that crushing guilt for giving missiles to the “blowing up Palestinian children with missiles brigade”. Why is your gripe with the people who wouldn’t vote for someone committing genocide and not, you know, the people committing genocide?

  Just saying the democratic party could’ve not done that. Could’ve changed course on that at any time. And yet every chance you get you angrily point the finger at people who wouldn’t vote for someone committing genocide, and not the people who wouldn’t stop committing genocide. Make it make sense 😅 the election is over, its done, why is your ire still directed towards people protesting against genocide and not the perpetrators of genocide who literally could’ve stopped at any point, any point whatsoever before the election, and yet never did, never once even came close to doing that. The demand for someone to stop committing acts of mass ethnic cleansing is probably the most foundational kind of civil rights advocacy imaginable.

  Imagine if Joe had stopped committing genocide, had joined the rest of the world in a united front of condemnation of zionism instead of trying to condemn Trump of bigotry while handing bomb after bomb after bomb right to the IDF. Imagine if he’d done that.

  No, you’re right, the democratic party cause is built entirely on token gestures of progressivism not on actually advocating human rights. The american proletariat has never wanted the democratic party to actually fucking doing something, its actually the people asking them to do something who are truly evil!

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  • gdog05@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Here’s why everyone is angry. Seemingly at people like you, I’m assuming, who decided not to vote. Democrats weren’t the ones committing the genocide!! They were absolutely enabling it. Supporting it. Israel was committing the genocide and we weren’t voting for their government. And then, on top of that, it was absolutely evident that Trump would make the genocide worse and not voting against him was effectively voting for him. And that’s on you. You did that. There was a slim chance that Kamala could improve the situation and Palestinian lives. Instead, your lack of vote ensured that wouldn’t happen, ensured that more Ukrainians would die, ensured that Africans would die, ensured that American women would die, ensured that millions of Americans will die if there’s a pandemic. And now instead of just fixing the Democratic party for the future, we’re also fighting fascism. So fucking congrats. Your short-sighted high horse didn’t take a harm reduction strategy and many human lives are now gone. You need to fucking own that.

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    • LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I am not an American citizen. So, no, I had no vote begin with.

      The majority of people refusing to vote for Kamala due to her direct involvement in genocide were Palestinian Americans. They continued to fund and arm Israel as they continued to commit genocide. That absolutely makes them complicit in genocide, otherwise referred to as people committing genocide. If America had defied them in any substantial way then Israel would not have been able to continue committing genocide.

      Kamala is a zionist, like Joe. There was no slim chance. And IT STILL DOESNT MATTER. Again, youre acting like its IMPOSSIBLE that she could’ve just said “I will stop American complicity in the Palestinian genocide and join the rest of the UN in demanding the arrest of war criminals in Israel”. She could’ve done that 🙃 she could’ve done that at any fucking time and yet youre seemingly more upset at a very small minority of people who wouldn’t vote for her instead of her for not making a very basic decision to end American involvement in murdering Palestinian children?

      WHY ISN’T THAT SHE, WHO WAS DIRECTLY COMPLICIT IN HORRIFIC ACTS OF ETHNIC CLEANSING AND REFUSED TO STOP, THE SUBJECT OF YOUR IRE??

      Its NEVER “If only Kamala had promised to end American involvement in the genocide of Palestinians, hope she’s happy with herself.” Instead its always “Wow fuck the Palestinian Americans who objected to voting for someone actively supplying and protecting the people murdering their entire culture. How dare they!!”

      Its all just punching down. Thats all it is. Never demand anything from the democratic party, Kamala and Joe are so fragile they might just cry if you held them accountable for anything they do. Its the fault of those evil people who are anti genocide and demanded American stop committing acts of genocide. Giving the Nazis Zyklon B would be direct involvement in what they used it for, giving the IDF missiles as you watch them throw them at preschools makes you a direct part of their industry of genocide. And she could’ve ended that. She could’ve been like “nope fuck that fuck Israel fuck Zionism my administration will end American involvement in the Palestinian genocide and join the world in calling for the arrest of war criminals and the end of Israeli colonialism”. Why is that not the desired outcome for you??

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    • Jimbel@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I agree with you. But also a democracy with only one democratic party is already a failed democracy from my point of view. So not only one party should be fixed as you said, but the whole two party system. I guess…

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    • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Kamala could improve the situation and Palestinian lives.

      You people are insane
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      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Could be wrong, but that photo of Harris looks edited.

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  • Tja@programming.dev ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Good thing that at least the genocide stopped immediately, Palestinians now have their own country, the Ukraine war was negotiated on day one, eggs are a buck a dozen and everybody has Healthcare now.

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    • LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Mhm yeah and the whole year when Kamala and Joe could’ve stopped the genocide they did… sorry remind me what Joe Biden did while he was president and Israel was like “hey were gonna start massacring children and starving entire populations to death” ? Was it that he spreads their propaganda and hoaxes on an international stage for them? Was it that he continuously interfered with the ICC and the UN from doing ANYTHING to stop the genocide? Was it that he gave them all the money and guns and bombs they could ever dream of? Was it that he forced American universities to Crack down on anti zionist protests? Was it that he advocated essentially the same position as Donald Trump and was also very close personal friends with one of the most vile racists who’s ever lived Netanyahu?

      Remind me, did they stop the Palestinian genocide when they had the presidency? Or did it not literally start and flourish under them, while they kept it safe from any interference and fed the genocidal militias.

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      • Tja@programming.dev ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Kamala didn’t stop the genocide, let’s elect trump so at least the palenstinans are killed faster so the conflict is over.

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      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        and the whole year when Kamala and Joe could’ve stopped the genocide

        What is it that you think the Vice President actually does?

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      • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        They worked on a ceasefire to get the hostages released. There is no world where Israel is ever going say “ok just keep our people there and torture them to death or whatever, we don’t care”. The only way there could be peace would be for the hostages be released.

        The US isn’t an all powerful entity and the only source for weapons in the world. If the US stopped selling weapons to Israel, Israel would purchase weapons elsewhere. Less advanced weapons, which means less accurate, which means more people die when they do airstrikes on Hamas.

        The Hamas propaganda only shows you the aftermath of a battle in a densely populated urban environment. They don’t show the Hamas guy firing at the IDF from the window of a building, they only show what happens when the IDF hits back. And remember the whole reason the IDF is in Gaza is because Hamas forcibly took Israelis into Gaza and is reusing to release them because they want this war they tell you is a genocide to continue forever. Hamas can end what they’re saying is a genocide at any time by releasing the hostages. Why don’t they do that?

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  • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They both have the same sponsors and work for them, not the public.

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  • Angry_Autist@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    fuck off bot

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    • LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yes my 2 year old account history with a long, long history of criticizing the democratic party and more broadly western liberalism is a bot account. 🙄

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• Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  LOL still seething about the well deserved loss.
  As a European nothing gives me more pleasure than watching your country collapse.

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  • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’m always amazed at the sheer ignorance displayed by citizens of the dead empires. You should have learned what a dying empire does from your own history.

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• Tja@programming.dev ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  They should have the day they voted for. Nothing more, nothing less.

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