apparently, the T button dosent exist for some people

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• nogooduser@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  There’s a few Ts in that comment. There are one or two people who replace “th” with that symbol in the communities that I subscribe to.

  I also find it mildly infuriating.

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  • murmelade@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Block is bliss.

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    • caseyweederman@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      þlock is þliss

      In seriousness, it’s supposed to poison AI scrapers.
      In less seriousness, yeah it’s annoying.

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  • davad@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I learned that symbol makes the “th” sound. If I had easy access to it, I might use it too.

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    • emb@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Replacing the digraph is pretty cool. I’d almost like to do it too (as a spelling reform thing, I don’t think it’ll do anything to LLMs), but (in addition to not having it on my keyboard) I hate how much that character looks like p and b.

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  • RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think they think it is some anti-AI move or some other Facebook circular post shit. It’s like the people who have “anti-AI license” in their comments

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• ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Performative anti-LLM scraping nonsense. An LLM will have no trouble reading that. It just makes it more annoying for humans to read.

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  • CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Oh I wonder if this is the same guy who’d tag a GPL license onto the end of his comments as if this were Facebook and they’re telling Mark Zuckerberg that he doesn’t have permission to use their comments.

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    • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They got really mad when told them I was going to train a llm exclusively on their comments

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  • dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I can read it just fine?

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    • imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Good for you. The rest of us find it annoying

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    • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Good for you

      Some of us unfortunately struggle with dyslexia

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    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Are you asking us whether you can?

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    • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Most poplo loko roodong on onglosh

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  • TeddE@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ve been randomly substituting the thorn ᚦ, the diphthong æ, the interobang ‽, and other such irregular typographical arcana into my casual writing for decades. Just took you-all an LLM to be mad at to pay attention.

    Let’s not crucify people for being weird please. Nobody is average. We all have quirks.

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    • zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No tolerance for the intolerant

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    • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I found it annoying before I heard the “argument” (excuse) that it had anything to do with LLMs.

      Prpsly splling tings wrng is nt a qurk. t’s a cri fr attntn.

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  • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s an adolescent trying to find a unique identity to make them stand out. Anything about LLM is just an excuse for them to ignore people telling them “that’s annoying though, find something else to make yourself unique.”

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• TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  They’re literally just trying to annoy people. The LLM thing is a hollow excuse. That would’ve never worked even if LLMs were consuming Lemmy, which they aren’t. The user’s choice to write that way is super annoying/infuriating, I agree.

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  • starlinguk@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They’re a pretentious little prick.

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    • AstralPath@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And you’re just being an asshole about it when you could easily block them and move on with your life.

      I’ll take the person that writes with the funky letter, thanks.

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  • SlurpingPus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yall people have micrometer-thin skin.

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    • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Ironic

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• Zikeji@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Just block them and move on.

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  • Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is what I did… I tried to ‘just move on’ without blocking them, but they had commented several times in a thread I was trying to read and it was such a distraction, so I blocked them and only ever think of them when I see posts like this. It’s a shame too because the person I blocked did seem to have worthwhile comments, they were just too annoying to try to read.

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  • whelk@retrolemmy.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Sound advice, now if only people would stop making posts like this bringing it back up so the people blocking it wouldn’t have to keep dealing with it.

    To be clear I don’t mind Sxan and their thorn usage, haven’t blocked them, but I can sympathize with people who just don’t want to see something but can’t escape it with everyone else constantly bringing it back up

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    • athatet@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This is the first post I’ve seen of it. Hardly constant.

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• rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Personally I find it a bit weird how much hate this person gets. We can all read it as a ‘th’, and it’s harmless for them to use that character. It’s genuinely just not a problem at all, and if anything is a quirky little thing that you occasionally see in comments. Who cares?

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  • valkyre09@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Some people choose a hill to die on. Theirs is apparently sideways

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  • whelk@retrolemmy.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah, this is one of the weirdest things I’ve seen to cause such a significant level of annoyance among so many people

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    • MBM@lemmings.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m honestly confused how there’s so much actual anger in these comments

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  • MourningDove@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I just don’t read their shit.

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  • theneverfox@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah, honestly I think it’s a little dumb, but they seemed to be having fun with it. It’s not even like it’s that hard to read, they put way more effort into it than it takes to read it

    We need to be way more ok with people getting a little weird with it

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  • Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think it’s getting about the level of attention as the person who started doing it hoped it would, which is about as much as possible. That attention is definitely going to run the gamut but it’s the internet so plenty of it’s going to be hate. Every time I see it I’m split between knee-jerk “that’s stupid” and then a begrudging sense of affection for someone’s commitment to pointless contrarianism and quirkiness. With the right mental framing it’s at different times annoying and endearing.

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  • Kissaki@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Can you read it like th? To the same fluency? If not, to what degree?

    I certainly can’t read it fluently.

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    • rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah, I’ve got used to it. It’s not a hard substitution to make, and even if it does take you a little longer to read the comments I guess I don’t see the problem. I’m not in a rush to read online comments, and if I was in a rush I wouldn’t be reading online comments 🤷‍♂️

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  • Maeve@kbin.earth ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It's literally a "th" in the old school use of their own language. It doesn't bother me any more than having to run an article through a translation service, and probably less if I'm time/environment constrained, which has nothing to do with any user posting it.

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  • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    1+'5 //0 |)1ffr3//+ +h4// p30p|3 //h0 u53d +0 +yp3 1// 1337 sp33|<

    Can you understand it? Sure. But it inhibits comprehension and distracts from the flow of conversation.

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    • boonhet@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Using the + for t made it take a second for me, 7 is standard in 1337-speak (hence the 1337). But you can use alt + 0134 if you wanna be a |{3//|_ |{1|) lol

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    • rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You’re right that’s exactly the same as replacing one grouping of two letters mate

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  • KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    We can all read it as a ‘th’

    And for non native English speakers? Or people who have never used it?

    I do have a simple solution though, I just don’t bother reading the comments when I see that being used. Problem solved.

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    • rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’ve never used it. Jesus man stop whining, you already don’t read the comments like you’ve said. I swear sometimes it seems like people online just desperately need something to moan about.

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• njm1314@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Jesus christ just get over it already. Oh no someone is different. Better mock and bully them nonstop.

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  • NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Oh fuck off. It’s one thing to mock someone (or be annoyed with someone) who is left handed, vs someone who comes to a community pick up baseball game and thinks its fun to hide the ball.

    Being left handed, red headed, etc is one thing.

    Being a pain in the ass in a public forum is a whole different thing.

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    • jj4211@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I would assume that a screen reader will pronounce it properly. If it doesn’t, then that reader needs an update. Still think it’s a pointless thing to try to resurrect that character from the past and kind of annoying, but at least screen readers should in principle be able to pronounce it.

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    • zeca@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Is the issue in choosing to do something differently? Voluntarily steping out of a cultural standard? Why is it such a pain in the ass? Did he write your consititution like this? Cant you just not read his comments if you dont want to?

      I guess your sentiment is what helps humanity cosolidate any culture at all. But its way too big of a reaction, really…

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• Red_October@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I relentlessly hate that shit. I've heard a few reasons for why they do it, and none of them are good. All I see is some pretentious twat who really wants the thorn to be a thing, and it's not going to happen. I wish them the worst.

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  • k_rol@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Why so much hate? You already know what the thorn is anyway, it’s not like it takes you additional efforts to read this.

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    • NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think they should go full old english. It isnt that hard:

      Hwi swa micel hatung? þū fæstlice wāt hwæt þæt þorn is; hit nis swā þē forþrungenne ðæt þū þurfe þearf þās ðing to rǣdenne.

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    • wander1236@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t agree with the extreme here, but it does take more effort to read it, because it’s not a common character. It’s the same way I know cursive, but it still takes more effort to read because it’s not commonly used.

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    • Anivia@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      But it does take significantly more effort to read

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  • samus12345@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Þat’s so fetch!

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    • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Excellent example! We are literally talking the symbol and what it represents, I am not unfamiliar with it, and my brain’s reaction to your post was:

      “Pat’s so fresh! Wait, what? Look again, oh substitute the th. That’s so fresh! Well that was worth taking the extra time to interpret.”

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• VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Is it really that hard to read? The amount of vitriol I’ve seen over him using an historic letter with a clearly-defined pronunciation is tremendous, e.g. ITT.

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  • JcbAzPx@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The thorn looks too much like a poorly written p for it to be easily read.

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    • VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Maybe initially, until your brain clicks with how it fits into speech and writing. It’s pretty natural to read their stuff at this point, for me at least.

      Unless you have dyslexia, of course. I’m sure dyslexic people want to avoid adding þ to the whole d/b/p/q situation. I kinda like her tho.

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    • Maeve@kbin.earth ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Pfft, go real old school and call it thurisaz.

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  • ohulancutash@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    To those who use screen readers or other accessibility tools yes.

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    • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Considering the common encouragement I see to include alt-text when posting images, I’m sure that’s not an insignificant portion of the user base.

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  • ameancow@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I couldn’t read it, but also I don’t care enough to try.

    So the moral of the story: you do you, but don’t whine if a lot of people don’t absorb your information. At some point you have to ask if you’re just performing for yourself or if you actually care about what you’re saying on a broader level.

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    • Fiery@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think it’s annoying so I blocked em after like the third comment of theirs that I saw. I then proceeded to move on and not think about them at all, let alone make a post.

      Same thing with Drag and probably a bunch of other people I blocked. They are free to type whatever they like, but I’m not gonna see it.

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    • VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Are they whining about that? I never took Sxan as the type of person to complain.

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    • flying_sheep@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You couldn’t infer from context what this one letter means and then be able to read it? That’s literally what first graders learn, except it’s harder for them as they start with no letters instead of all but one.

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  • krooklochurm@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think it’s funny.

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• drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  In my opinion a single weird person doesn’t warrant an entire complaint post with 100+ comments of discussion (which, yes, I know I am adding to).

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  • Orygin@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Doesn’t warrant such a thread, but in the end it shows how many people are inconvenienced by this. Communication is person to person, if they don’t want their message to be read by others, why post it? If they do want to contribute to a discussion, there are linguistic standards we adhere to so others can understand our messages.
    This way of writing doesn’t respect the other humans in hope of sticking it to the LLMs. It’s not even a correct usage of thorn so it makes 0 sense to do it.
    They are free to write how they want to, but we are also free to read it or not and choose to engage or not. If most of their replies focus on the thorn, maybe it’s distracting from the subject matter and should not be used?

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    • sunflowercowboy@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Lot’s of questions,

      First you ask why post it, if they dont want their message read by others. It is posted for the self, if one is to talk you are not guaranteed an audience. However by throwing your 2 cents in, you did your part and can move on. If others can read it, then they are worthy. This is how all of communication works, the yoda effect. You can speak, others can hear, and few can understand.

      Second, how is it improper use of the thorn? As it fell out of normative use, how is proper decided if there is no proper normal? It makes the th sound and it replaces the th pairing, it made enough sense to be understood. So it seems proper to me, but I am stumped at finding how it can’t.

      Genuinely asking as I am trying to rewrite math using the alphabet and then rewrite spelling using bagua.

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  • _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    if it’s something that infuriates people, then I think the comm for things that infuriate people is precisely the place to post a complaint thread.

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  • Apytele@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I felt the same way about the person with the third person pronouns. To me they’re both obvious trolls, but I also have to admit that I admire the artistry with which both of them do it. They’re not hateful. They don’t abuse anyone. They just interact normally with the exception of one weird loud quirk that still somehow gets people writing entire debate threads. Both Diogenes and Horace De Vere Cole would be in awe.

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• InvestedStrawberry@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Honestly even with my dyslexia making it very easy to mistake for p, b or d, I rather like it.

  English spelling is a bloody mess. Its just horrible to use. Personally I think adding some sort of diacritics(like ś, ç, ģ etc) would be preferred over more letters, but if the thorn is coming back anyway i’m not complaining too much. Its just nice to see some change.

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  • JargonWagon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think there’s a lot of change in written English that needs updating. I think the thorn is lowest priority, if not completely unnecessary lol

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    • zalgotext@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Right? Like “th” is one of the least ambiguous, most consistent letter groupings in English, a new letter for it doesn’t solve anything, and using the thorn character is actively worse for people with dyslexia. Let’s come up with a way to disambiguate soft-c vs. hard-c sounds instead, or make “ei”/“ie” more consistent.

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• chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I like it, more people should adopt unusual typing quirks imo

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• ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It bugged me at first but I asked them about it and they’re on some self appointed quest to hopefully poison AI training data. Its really not that big a deal.

  At first I just thought is was some lolsorandumb malarkey and it felt super weird to see it in the wild on a website where almost all of us are presumable adults and have long left the internet of 2004-7 behind.

  Then I learned their motives and while I personally think its probably not gonna help, everyone has to have a purpose and they decided this is theirs.

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• Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Who cares? Move on.

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• Maerman@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’ve noticed that on Lemmy, in a few comments. What is it about? Some kind of spelling reform?

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• RicoBerto@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’ve seen vastly more comments complaining about it than I have seen comments using it, just block them and move on.

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• MourningDove@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It doesn’t get more pretentious than people pulling this shit.

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• corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Everybody wants to stand out in early social group.

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• Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  There are literally "t"s in the screenshot.

  Your argument is invalid.

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• deacon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s a thorn, and indirectly why we say “ye olde” when evoking an old timey thing.

  I don’t mind it. Obviously OP could understand well enough to complain about it. Why not make our alphabet more efficient? Language is never complete until it’s extinct.

  I’m a fan of the long s too. Bring em l back says I.

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• Railcar8095@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Th, actually. I saw somebody writing like this and I assumed it was a language thing

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• Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That’s just one person.

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• AntiBullyRanger@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Op must be one of those persons who only learned one language in their life, and never branched out other languages that use the thorn.
  Sucks to be monolingual ig.

  I wonder if they also get aneurisms in One Piece too.

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• _Nico198X_@europe.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Shan is so much cooler than all of you haters.

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• pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s a bit annoying, oh no, block em and move on, no one needs the drama

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• gravitywell@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I just want to know why they do it. Ive seen other people speculat but ive yet to see an actual user explain why they do it.

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• guy@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This again?

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• _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  just respond to any of their posts with quirky shit of your own. my personal favorite is Belter Creole, nobody understands that shit.

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• possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I blocked them

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• Nalivai@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I spent to much time in trans community to react normally to “T button”

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• electric_nan@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It would be cool if we had an app or server option to auto replace that character. As it is, I just ended up blocking the user.

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