apparently, the T button dosent exist for some people

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• chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  I like it, more people should adopt unusual typing quirks imo

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• drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨24⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  In my opinion a single weird person doesn’t warrant an entire complaint post with 100+ comments of discussion (which, yes, I know I am adding to).

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• InvestedStrawberry@lemmy.world ⁨32⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  Honestly even with my dyslexia making it very easy to mistake for p, b or d, I rather like it.

  English spelling is a bloody mess. Its just horrible to use. Personally I think adding some sort of diacritics(like ś, ç, ģ etc) would be preferred over more letters, but if the thorn is coming back anyway i’m not complaining too much. Its just nice to see some change.

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• njm1314@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  Jesus christ just get over it already. Oh no someone is different. Better mock and bully them nonstop.

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  • NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip ⁨57⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Oh fuck off. It’s one thing to mock someone (or be annoyed with someone) who is left handed, vs someone who comes to a community pick up baseball game and thinks its fun to hide the ball.

    Being left handed, red headed, etc is one thing.

    Being a pain in the ass in a public forum is a whole different thing.

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• ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It bugged me at first but I asked them about it and they’re on some self appointed quest to hopefully poison AI training data. Its really not that big a deal.

  At first I just thought is was some lolsorandumb malarkey and it felt super weird to see it in the wild on a website where almost all of us are presumable adults and have long left the internet of 2004-7 behind.

  Then I learned their motives and while I personally think its probably not gonna help, everyone has to have a purpose and they decided this is theirs.

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  • VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world ⁨59⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    It won’t work. LLMs work on probability. They’d have to be an absurdly prolific poster (probably at least a quarter of all comments present in the LLM’s training data) in order for their spelling to get incorporated and not just tossed out as a typo. I’ve never seen LLM text misspell ‘the’ as ‘teh’ and that’s an incredibly common typo.

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    • ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨56⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Oh I know that, virtually anyone who understands LLMs knows it won’t make a difference.

      In an ocean of data, you can dump in all the poison you want but as an individual you’ll never manage to poison the whole thing without viral measures

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  • yermaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Image

    It definitely wont help, but I’m not going to stop anybody from trying.

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• corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Everybody wants to stand out in early social group.

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  • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨30⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    That can’t possibly be true.

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• VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Is it really that hard to read? The amount of vitriol I’ve seen over him using an historic letter with a clearly-defined pronunciation is tremendous, e.g. ITT.

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  • JcbAzPx@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    The thorn looks too much like a poorly written p for it to be easily read.

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  • krooklochurm@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    I think it’s funny.

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  • ameancow@lemmy.world ⁨55⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    I couldn’t read it, but also I don’t care enough to try.

    So the moral of the story: you do you, but don’t whine if a lot of people don’t absorb your information. At some point you have to ask if you’re just performing for yourself or if you actually care about what you’re saying on a broader level.

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    • flying_sheep@lemmy.ml ⁨39⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      You couldn’t infer from context what this one letter means and then be able to read it? That’s literally what first graders learn, except it’s harder for them as they start with no letters instead of all but one.

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• rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Personally I find it a bit weird how much hate this person gets. We can all read it as a ‘th’, and it’s harmless for them to use that character. It’s genuinely just not a problem at all, and if anything is a quirky little thing that you occasionally see in comments. Who cares?

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  • valkyre09@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Some people choose a hill to die on. Theirs is apparently sideways

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• ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Performative anti-LLM scraping nonsense. An LLM will have no trouble reading that. It just makes it more annoying for humans to read.

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  • CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Oh I wonder if this is the same guy who’d tag a GPL license onto the end of his comments as if this were Facebook and they’re telling Mark Zuckerberg that he doesn’t have permission to use their comments.

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    • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They got really mad when told them I was going to train a llm exclusively on their comments

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  • TeddE@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’ve been randomly substituting the thorn ᚦ, the diphthong æ, the interobang ‽, and other such irregular typographical arcana into my casual writing for decades. Just took you-all an LLM to be mad at to pay attention.

    Let’s not crucify people for being weird please. Nobody is average. We all have quirks.

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    • zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      No tolerance for the intolerant

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  • dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I can read it just fine?

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    • imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Good for you. The rest of us find it annoying

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    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Are you asking us whether you can?

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    • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Good for you

      Some of us unfortunately struggle with dyslexia

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    • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Most poplo loko roodong on onglosh

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• nogooduser@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  There’s a few Ts in that comment. There are one or two people who replace “th” with that symbol in the communities that I subscribe to.

  I also find it mildly infuriating.

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  • murmelade@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Block is bliss.

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    • caseyweederman@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      þlock is þliss

      In seriousness, it’s supposed to poison AI scrapers.
      In less seriousness, yeah it’s annoying.

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  • davad@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I learned that symbol makes the “th” sound. If I had easy access to it, I might use it too.

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    • emb@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Replacing the digraph is pretty cool. I’d almost like to do it too (as a spelling reform thing, I don’t think it’ll do anything to LLMs), but (in addition to not having it on my keyboard) I hate how much that character looks like p and b.

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• Red_October@piefed.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I relentlessly hate that shit. I've heard a few reasons for why they do it, and none of them are good. All I see is some pretentious twat who really wants the thorn to be a thing, and it's not going to happen. I wish them the worst.

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  • k_rol@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Why so much hate? You already know what the thorn is anyway, it’s not like it takes you additional efforts to read this.

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    • NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip ⁨53⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      I think they should go full old english. It isnt that hard:

      Hwi swa micel hatung? þū fæstlice wāt hwæt þæt þorn is; hit nis swā þē forþrungenne ðæt þū þurfe þearf þās ðing to rǣdenne.

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• TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  They’re literally just trying to annoy people. The LLM thing is a hollow excuse. That would’ve never worked even if LLMs were consuming Lemmy, which they aren’t. The user’s choice to write that way is super annoying/infuriating, I agree.

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  • SlurpingPus@lemmy.world ⁨27⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Yall people have micrometer-thin skin.

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  • starlinguk@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They’re a pretentious little prick.

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    • AstralPath@lemmy.ca ⁨22⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      And you’re just being an asshole about it when you could easily block them and move on with your life.

      I’ll take the person that writes with the funky letter, thanks.

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• Zikeji@programming.dev ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Just block them and move on.

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  • Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This is what I did… I tried to ‘just move on’ without blocking them, but they had commented several times in a thread I was trying to read and it was such a distraction, so I blocked them and only ever think of them when I see posts like this. It’s a shame too because the person I blocked did seem to have worthwhile comments, they were just too annoying to try to read.

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• pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It’s a bit annoying, oh no, block em and move on, no one needs the drama

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• deacon@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It’s a thorn, and indirectly why we say “ye olde” when evoking an old timey thing.

  I don’t mind it. Obviously OP could understand well enough to complain about it. Why not make our alphabet more efficient? Language is never complete until it’s extinct.

  I’m a fan of the long s too. Bring em l back says I.

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  • scott@lem.free.as ⁨54⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    It did evolve and English got rid of thorn. This is regression.

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    • deacon@lemmy.world ⁨48⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      One person’s regression is another’s renaissance.

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  • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Why not make our alphabet more efficient?

    Will the real Noah Webster please stand up?

    Language is never complete until it’s extinct.

    Language either evolves or it arbitrarily splits. Guess which this one is.

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  • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    screams in dyslexia

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  • ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The only long S I know of the the ß used in the german language. I’m a big fan, and use it frequently in my handwritten notes.

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    • SlurpingPus@lemmy.world ⁨29⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      ‘ß’ is in fact a digraph of the long ‘s’ and ‘ʒ’, i.e. tailed ‘z’.

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  • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I like the þ but not the long s. Þ is actually useful when it clicks. Long s is just an “what if we had another letter for s thst looks like l and does nothing different or more efficient”

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    • VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Agreed. Big fan of þ and ð, but a third way to write a letter, that simultaneously looks like 3 other letters? Good move obsoleting that one.

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• Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Who cares? Move on.

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  • burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Why blur out the name when everyone knows the user already? It would be like referencing the blahaj/dragonrider drama and blurring out dragonrider’s name.

    There’s only like a handful of folks on the lemmyverse, it’s what gives it such a cozy feeling.

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  • glimse@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Read the community name…this is a fitting post

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    • RicoBerto@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Read the sidebar…
      it’s against the rules.

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  • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Emojis don’t make comments hard to read

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    • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      If the Japanese can learn three alphabets with 46 + 46 + 2,136 characters respectively, you can learn one more. I believe in you.

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• Sarothazrom@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  þat seems to be a headache, indeed.

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• Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  There are literally "t"s in the screenshot.

  Your argument is invalid.

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  • NoPanko@feddit.uk ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They are “th”s actually

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    • TeddE@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Let’s stop ᚦis before the train gets going:

      • The original post content’s auᚦor replaced the letters ‘th’ with ᚦe more archaic ᚦ
      • the original author said ᚦat all 't’s were replaced in an oversimplification
      • ᚦe parent author noted that oᚦer 't’s were used which were not replaced.
      • I’ve replaced about half my ‘th’ with 'ᚦ’s

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• possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I blocked them

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• RicoBerto@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’ve seen vastly more comments complaining about it than I have seen comments using it, just block them and move on.

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  • NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip ⁨48⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    What is with the blocking these days? Everyone is so quick to just “block and move on”.

    Have people lost the ability to just skip what they dont want to read, or ignore things?

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• Maerman@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’ve noticed that on Lemmy, in a few comments. What is it about? Some kind of spelling reform?

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  • Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s a character called “thorn”, and it roughly aligns with the “th” in english. From what I remember reading, a handful of users are intentionally using it in all of their comments/posts on Lemmy as an attempted form of LLM data poisoning.

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    • Boozilla@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Dumb. One of the few things LLMs are good at is correcting spelling. That’s a lot of effort for an ineffective “poison”.

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    • timroerstroem@feddit.dk ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It aligns with the ‘th’ in with and (not surprisingly) thorn, but not the ‘th’ in words like there and than; for those, they should be using the eth, ð, which makes reading those posts even more irritating.

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    • bobby@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      an attempted form of LLM data poisoning.

      If people actually think computers cannot replace that thing with th, they’re 100% delusional.

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    • baggachipz@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      And here I thought it was the result of a keyboard from another country. Of course it’s some dumb pretentious nerd thing.

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    • suicidaleggroll@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It has nothing to do with LLM poisoning, they just want attention

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    • cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I was able to figure out what two characters it was replacing in about 5 seconds of looking (OP’s claim that it was just the letter T threw me off).

      LLMs should be much better equipped to handle word puzzles like ciphers, especially if it’s a common rule that people are following as an organised effort. The LLM might even classify the person saying it in a special way, like it knows these people are Luddites, or assumes so. Maybe that is the real poison. Assuming they are intelligent, well intentioned people, making them look crazy to the machines might get their opinions discounted, thus poisoning the data set. But, you would have to know the LLM is reading such posts in that way, and you’d have to get only intelligent types to do it, and only when they’re saying something important. Otherwise, the LLM will just translate and add the data. And I think the more basic ones will do just that.

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  • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I wish it was spelling reform. I’ve been wanting that reform for over a decade

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• Railcar8095@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Th, actually. I saw somebody writing like this and I assumed it was a language thing

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  • imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s performative nonsense. Ostensibly anti llm stuff that comes across to me at least as attention seeking

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    • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      attention seeking

      Yep

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• AntiBullyRanger@ani.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Op must be one of those persons who only learned one language in their life, and never branched out other languages that use the thorn.
  Sucks to be monolingual ig.

  I wonder if they also get aneurisms in One Piece too.

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  • _skj@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Op is one of those people who find it easier to read when words are spelled correctly and don’t shoehorn in a throwback letter that hasn’t been used in English for centuries.

    Notably, there is only one language that still uses the thorn. Icelandic has less than 500,000 speakers worldwide. Also notably, Icelandic is not English and whether or not you’re bilingual doesn’t excuse poor spelling skills.

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    • AntiBullyRanger@ani.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Skïș

      Skill issue

      Norwegian, Swedish, Finlandic, Faroese, Welsh, and Gaelic would like a retraction of your insolence.

      Bet too that OP can’t into ᚱᚢᚾᚪ either.

      don’t […] hasn’t

      tripping

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• gravitywell@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I just want to know why they do it. Ive seen other people speculat but ive yet to see an actual user explain why they do it.

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• guy@piefed.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  This again?

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• Devconsole@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Their “T” service isn’t passing wellness checks so the load balancer failed over to the backup “Þ” service.

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