Or another way to look at it- cutting nearly 75% of scientists. Can’t have climate change if there’s no one working! Watch them find some money to give to ExxonMobile to ‘study’ the impacts of fossil fuels. Wonder what that report will say! /s
RIP America
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mikenurre@lemmy.world 2 months ago
T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 months ago
No need for the /s I fully expect that is what will happen. Also a great firewall, so yanks can’t access unapproved information from over seas
Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 months ago
Never played a conquest game where you stop researchers from giving your empire a tech advantage over others.
AtariDump@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Narrator: It did not.
marcos@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s a popular strategy for Fascists.
the Nazis and the OG Fascists did it, and so did the communist Chinese.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 months ago
China currently churns out more college graduates than any other country, and the rate is increasing.
And they had a hell of a way to go given that it was less than 1% when they took over.
ftbd@feddit.org 2 months ago
What makes you think that? Nazi Germany was very interested in science and engineering, at least in the disciplines that develop weapons.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Has an empire ever been so complicit in their own demise?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Maybe Pol Pot murdering intellectuals and people who wear glasses?
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 months ago
But was Cambodia really an empire?
6nk06@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Maybe theocracies like Afghanistan. Even North Korea likes scientists.
match@pawb.social 2 months ago
Probably all empires seed their own demise, I would guess
aim_at_me@lemmy.nz 2 months ago
But so deliberately? In what world does a half intelligent person believe this to be a good long term strategy?
wizzor@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Maybe Cambodia and Khmer Rouge? But not many.
RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yes, many times. Historically, it seems like the very strong empires first defeated themselves and once they were sufficiently weakened for outside forces to be able to threaten them … they still kept being self sabotaged by their own elite who prioritized maneuvering against each other for temporary power/wealth grabs over working together to face the outside threats.
The late Roman empire has a bunch of good examples: blatant corruption, over taxation of the poor, many assassinations, sabotaging their peers that were trying to improve the situation, constant civil war, the battle that destroyed the military backbone of the western Roman empire was fought between romans, … And all that while the empire was being torn apart by outside invasions.
Or a more recent example: the polish Lithuanian commonwealth had a paralyzed government thanks to corrupt elites with veto powers in their parliament of nobles (sejm) and only once the nation was mostly destroyed and the nation on the cusp of final destruction, did the sejm introduce some sensible new laws, but it was too late.
With smaller regional powers you can have cases like “they were in a golden age and had never been as powerful, but then the mongols appeared”, but with hegemon empires the failure of their inner workings is always going to be instrumental in their own demise.
Zerush@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
AcidLeaves@hexbear.net 2 months ago
That’s the price of ethereum lol
janus2@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
urethereum
koper@feddit.nl 2 months ago
How is the price of a cryptocoin even relevant to this post?
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 months ago
It’s his bloody piss.
Lussy@hexbear.net 2 months ago
Uhh…because….pee trickle down?
Zerush@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
It’s a graph of the global status of the US, you can put in any value of your choice
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Speed running towards Idiocracy by 2028
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 months ago
no need to rush it, were already here.
who am I kidding, President Camacho would be way better than Trump and most DNC candidates.
CaptainBlagbird@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I enjoy that movie less and less, not because it’s a bad movie, but quite the opposite.
Samsy@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
If you know exactly the level of education of your supporters and your enemies. It’s time to attack the level of your enemies.
cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Idiocracy with fascist characteristics.
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
At least all the people in Idiocracy were united and happy in their ignorant world.
dovahking@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Thanks to trump, we get to witness a country entering dark ages.
docoptix@lemmy.world 2 months ago
*Trump voters
Vespair@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
That’s only the half of it. Look at the rest of the policies, look how they want to cut Medicare and food stamps and other safety net programs.
Make no mistake, this administration wants to see people die.
This is the end game the technocrats have been working towards, this is how they’re enacting their eugenics. They want poor people, disabled people, disadvantaged people, to die. They believe they are culling the weak members of the herd for the sake of the betterment of “their” kind (rich, white, “healthy”, etc).
These policies aren’t stupid or ineffective, they are cruel and insidious by design
ATPA9@feddit.org 2 months ago
I still don’t understand their end goal. If everyone exept for them is poor and dying who are they going to sell their stuff to? What will they exploit the people for if they can sell nothing because only they can afford it? Are they banking on becomming the new china and sell everything to the rest of the world? Wouldn’t killing half of your population bite that plan in the ass as a fuck ton of manpower is gone? And if they want to use machines as a replacement wouldn’t removing all the smart people be extremely unhelpful?
hexagon@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
It is not hard to understand if you think that money is just a number, practically is just used to obtain power and influence, and they’re using it for that. Once everyone is a slave, what do you need to sell
Zerush@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
They goal is to get rich, they are mostly old, thinking I’m death in 10 years and fuck the next generations. If the country crashed, well then I can continue living in a Mansion in Dubai with an coctail in the hand. Plunder policy.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
I still don’t understand their end goal. If everyone exept for them is poor and dying who are they going to sell their stuff to?
I’m increasingly believing that they don’t actually care about anyone other then themselves.
Their only goals are self-serving greed.
And the methods they intend to use to serve that narrow goal are extremely short sighted and lacking any peripheral vision.
vala@lemmy.world 2 months ago
We’re moving towards an economy of low volume luxury good vs mass produced goods for the average person. Basically the floor will just keep rising until less and less people can afford things. The people who still can afford things will be getting nicer and more expensive stuff as time goes on.
head_socj@midwest.social 2 months ago
It’s probable that they’re betting on technological innovation to bring about a post-scarcity economy where profit and capital are irrelevant. And relatively speaking, that could a good thing.
The issue is instead of taking a reasonable utilitarian approach, these people would rather lean on things like:
unmitigated greed
racism
a romanticization of historical imperialism
the social construct within the Western capitalist mindset to incessantly seek new frontiers of exploitation
and the insidious belief that other people don’t deserve to participate in such a society; either because of their beliefs or because of immutable characteristics that deem them unworthy or otherwise burdensome to the system.
IMO, the tragedy is that while the rich want to bet on consolidating enough capital to shoot themselves out into space, the statistical likelihood that they will find anything within reach that even remotely resembles the beauty and habitability of our planet is very low. Too bad they will kill all of us first before realizing that.
Something something, when we cut down the last tree and poison the last river…
mrodri89@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
The whole conspiracy theory of the new world order feels more real every year. Make everyone suffer so they have no choice but to submit to the oligarchs.
People are already having trouble finding jobs. Cutting food stamps and Medicaid feels like pieces of making people suffer in a bigger plan.
head_socj@midwest.social 2 months ago
The suffering is just a side effect. Massive death is the goal, they just don’t want to have to get their hands dirty.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Make no mistake, this administration wants to see people die.
They want to see people suffer before they die.
Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Hey Europe and Canada, anyone still looking for a scientist that just wants to do lab work? I prefer chemistry, but am happy with micro too. Just let me interpret data, please. I’m stuck somewhere where titrations are the most complex process.
Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
German universities are always hiring. Always. And in my experience they need just about everyone
khannie@lemmy.world 2 months ago
If you have an Irish grandparent you can get a passport. Lots of work here and Americans are welcome.
Otherwise work visas that turn into residency aren’t difficult to come by with sponsorship and it’s not the kind of sponsorship that makes you a slave.
LordCrom@lemmy.world 2 months ago
How about a great grandparent. My grandma was born in NYC but great grandad came from Ireland into Ellis island.
cooligula@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
In my faculty, there’s often vacants for lab technicians, if you want to give it a go
uienia@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The pharma industry is currently booming in Denmark (Novo and others are expanding like crazy), so perhaps you could try and look into that
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Deeply unserious managers of empire continue to self-cannibalize their own productivity in an effort to go even more all-in on financial capital, all while the global south is doing its best to pivot towards more favorable relations with countries like China. When the US Empire runs out of countries to exploit, and financial capital ceases to be profitable, it will have no developed industrial base nor a strong scientifically trained worker base to pull itself back up. The US is cooked, this is just speedrunning the demise of the empire in a faster and harder fashion.
The good news is that the worse this gets, the more favorable the conditions for organizing become, and the more vulnerable to revolution the state becomes. We can legitimately take advantage of this, and gain mastery over capital, rather than the inverse. We can re-industrialize, become socialist, and begin the long and difficult but necessary path towards legitimate progress. It won’t be easy, but it will be doable.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 months ago
If you can get out, now’s the time.
If not, now’s the time to buy guns and ammo.
peteyestee@feddit.org 2 months ago
It was time for that like 25 years ago. Fuck… I just realized 9/11 was 24 years ago.
Sarothazrom@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Unironically… Where’s the best place to go if you can get out and only speak english?
Zwiebel@feddit.org 2 months ago
You’ll get by just fine everywhere on english, but it’ll be hard to integrate and make local friends without learning the language
whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
in research? English is enough in most countries I think, I have friends here (France) who just start learning french after 10 years living here 😅 they just didn’t need it before
khannie@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Almost anywhere in Europe is the answer. My son did his masters in Denmark and never learned Danish. He lives in Germany now and speaks fuck all German.
Once in the Netherlands, after losing my glasses I asked an optician if he could speak English and he was thoroughly insulted.
Britain and Ireland are both native English.
Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
If you’re willing to learn at any pace, and can do at least some “skilled work” as they call it, then just about everything. Usually you have 5 to 10 years to learn the language if you want to stay permanently. You can get by with English in most of europe.
huppakee@feddit.nl 2 months ago
As others said, you’ll get by with just speaking English - if you’re serious think of what would matter aside from language: a life in Italy will be very different than a life in German, not only the weather but also the work culture. Also think of which countries ‘match’ your education, being somewhere with loads of jobs in your expertise will make things a lot easier. I’d advise anyone able to move from US to Europe to take a leap of faith - if it doesn’t work out and the US has by then returned to normal you can just move back and if it doesn’t work out and america didn’t return to normal you’ll likely be happy at least you got out before it got real bad.
VerbFlow@lemmy.world 2 months ago
And share them with your friends. Learn from Lenin, learn from the Vietnamese, learn from Alpaca farms.
Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 2 months ago
What’s the story of the Alpaca farms?
ghosthacked@lemmy.wtf 2 months ago
I got out to,the UK, but England is full of wannabe Americans that couldn’t get into the US to live if they wanted to. But they’re intent on turning the UK into an American territory. These idiots are fully prepared to privatize the NHS and their infrastructure because their white buddies across the pond are somehow a great example of how to advance a country.
Lots of Ameriboos over here with no shame. They’d lick trump’s dirty ass if they could become the 51st state.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
Maybe also learn how to build molotov cocktails, how to grow vegetables in your apartment, and stock some durable food.
nonentity@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
A healthy, broadly educated population, which feels safe and secure, are incompatible with, and toxic to, conservative and authoritarian ideologies.
They need you to be sick, stupid, and scared.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 months ago
Brain drain is a difficult downward spiral to break out of once it starts.
drmoose@lemmy.world 2 months ago
As non-american I’m becoming increasingly convinced republicans are actually lead by traitors wanting to destroy the US.
queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Critical support for Trump’s struggle against US cultural and scientific imperialism.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 2 months ago
This is a huge opportunity for countries who always played second fiddle in science and tech.
BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 2 months ago
I’d say we had a good run but we really didn’t.
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
The country built on brain drain, assumes it is great without the brain.
I hope the scientist find favorable places that value science.
KingCake_Baby@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The times, they are a’changing
Death to IMPERIALISM
Death to CAPITALISM
Death to FASCISM
Death to MAGA
endeavor@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Every good authoritorian dictatorsihp first goes for the educated people cause smart people know this shit is fucked… hitler, mao, polpot, stalin, lenin never failed to do this.
khannie@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Welcome to Europe, researchers!
Lots of great choices and don’t worry, you can move to France without knowing French or Denmark without knowing Danish!
ghosthacked@lemmy.wtf 2 months ago
A country for REAL (white Christian male) Americans.
When are you people going to get the message. It was never a country that was about equality. It was about enrichment for a select group of people. When their privilege was threatened, the veil came off.
None of this changes until the rest of America decides enough is enough. That might never happen. If it does, it won’t be for years or decades.
The US died on Jan 20th, 2025.
Zezzoz@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Europe will welcome them with open arms.
Having a much better quality of life, the real free world is already attractng talent.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 months ago
Wait, the bottom ones are PreK-12 students.
How are they planning to reduce the number of children?
Is this why they hired RFK?
RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.cafe 2 months ago
I used to wonder how did the Islamic Golden Age end, how did the Muslim World go from leader in science, technology and commerce to has-been. Now I see leaders in the West destroying in years what took centuries to build. Civilizations like living organisms go through cycles of birth, rise, stagnation and decline, some make a comeback in a different form like Europe after the Renaissance and China after Communism, and some don’t. Good thing we have other nations picking up after the decline of Western Civilization.
Coolkidbozzy@hexbear.net 2 months ago
anecdotally, I know people finishing their phds that have jobs lined up elsewhere in the world because there are no federal science job openings
the brain drain is real and self-imposed
badbytes@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Making everywhere else, great again.
LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 2 months ago
segfault11@hexbear.net 2 months ago
we’ll just get chatgpt to invent new science for us
rirus@feddit.org 2 months ago
Why a quarter, isn’t it more then a third?
Bieren@lemmy.world 2 months ago
“All you need is Jesus” -MAGAcucks
can@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
And still some people think it will be fine in 3.5 years.
arschflugkoerper@feddit.org 2 months ago
Oh my god it’s only been half a year D:
Barrymore@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
5 months, he was inaugurated January 20th
neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
It absolutely won’t be.
But it might be moving in the right direction.
Regardless, will take decades/generations to fully recover from this, if ever.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 2 months ago
No, you’ll never recover. Your previous status was the result of a very specific set of historical circumstances (specifically the fact that you were the only major power left standing after World War 2) that aren’t going to repeat. If you fall, the best you can hope for in terms of recovery is to equal the other developed countries of the world. You’ll never exceed them again.
Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
Especially given that even in the best case scenario the period of recovery will be 8 years maximum. No matter who will be the next president, the one after will be another angry conservative, and I don’t believe there will be a lot of progress after.
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now