Already did and it’s glorious! Steam works beautifully and the only final thing that I’m missing Iis Adobe products
6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?
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towelie@lemm.ee 2 months ago
kuneho@lemmy.world 2 months ago
for newcomers, maybe this is the best combo. Debian stable with KDE Plasma.
jimerson@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Unless you’re using NVIDIA. Didn’t work out of the box for me and required a couple hours of fiddling. Mint worked seamlessly.
metaldream@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Debian is not a good choice for beginners. It’s extremely bare bones compared to Ubuntu or Mint.
Drivers on Debian stable are also heavily outdated
merc@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I completely disagree. Debian is not beginner-friendly. Go with Bazzite if your focus is gaming.
It is a gaming-focused distribution. It’s also an “atomic” distribution, which basically means it’s really hard to break it. It’s more like Android or IOS where the OS and base system are managed by someone else. They’re read-only so you can’t accidentally break them.
For example, instead of trying to manage your own video card drivers, they come packaged with the base system image, and they’re tested to make sure they work with all the other base components.
I’ve been using Linux since the 1990s, so I’ve run my share of distributions: Slackware, RedHat, Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu, etc. Even for someone experienced, atomic distributions are great. But, for a newcomer they’re so much better.
Dave@lemmy.nz 2 months ago
How does Bazzite fare when I want to do something a bit different. Install docker, Python, PHP, sqlite, etc. I’d normally just install them, but does this work for Bazzite and other atomic/immutable distros?
towelie@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I find this interesting as I’m a beginner with only about 3 months of Linux use under my belt, whereas Ive used Windows since I was like 5 years old. I was originally recommended Mint, like many are, and I found the experience to be a negative one as opposed to my later experience with Debian. (Note I have no experience with Bazzite or any other distros).
The additional ‘bloat’ in Mint obfuscated from me various aspects of Linux. It insulated me from learning how Linux is different from Windows, and that actually hindered me from understanding the OS. By starting with Debian I got a feel for using the CLI, setting up my drivers, package installer, and desktop environment. And, while those aspects can be complicated for new users, i think its somewhat necessary if its going to be recommended them as their OS.
histic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
In what world is a Debian base not beginner friendly my fiancé that could barely use windows is using it just fine
Cris16228@lemmy.today 2 months ago
and the only final thing that I’m missing is Adobe products.
I miss Affinity Designer! Bought a license and I like it but no linux port 🙄
I can’t get used Inkscape, it’s so different and confusing for me
towelie@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Have you ever seen how to draw a circle in GIMP?
bread@feddit.nl 2 months ago
As long as you’re running KDE, it will feel familiar to a Windows user. I started with Kubuntu which was great until I had a system update, and it completely shat itself. Wanted to try Bazzite next, but the installer wouldn’t work properly, so I installed OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, and I’ve seen no reason to switch since.
axh@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Not having access to Adobe products is a feature not a bug.
Saucepain@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Outside of Steam, how have you found gaming compatibility? I know Xbox Gamepass doesn’t work as that’s very specifically a Windows app, but how about other standalone games/platforms?
towelie@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Outside of steam will be a case by case basis. I wouldn’t expect a lot of luck, and it may require that you use a compatibility layer like Wine.
swag_money@lemmy.world 2 months ago
maybe give debian testing a go for a little more up to date software :)
Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
If you’re into primarily gaming, try PikaOS. It’s Debian based and uses the same tooling, but it’s on an optimized kernel. Is generally geared toward gaming.
A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I went with Mint but I’m thinking about KDE (or maybe KDE flavored Arch? Idk I’m new) on my second computer. Pretty painless?
towelie@lemm.ee 2 months ago
So Mint is the ‘distro’, which is actually based on Ubuntu, which is based on Debian. In simple terms, a distro is a bundle of programs and configurations assembled for you. Basically, Debian is a stripped down version of Mint.
A ‘desktop environment’ is a separate program(?) that changes what your desktop looks like, and they can be downloaded on any distro. So you can try out KDE Plasma on your Mint installation! The one that you’re likely using right now is called ‘Cinnamon’, which I personally didn’t like and turned me off of Linux my first time trying to switch over years ago.
Something cool about KDE Plasma is that you can download themes and make your desktop environments look really cool. For instance, sometimes I like to rock this Windows 7 theme: gitgud.io/wackyideas/aerothemeplasma/
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 2 months ago
I honestly think mint is an outdated suggestion for beginners, I think immutability is extremely important for someone who is just starting out, as well as starting on KDE since it’s by far the most developed DE that isn’t gnome and their… design decisions are unfortunate for people coming from windows.
I don’t think we should be recommending mint to beginners anymore, if mint makes an immutable, up to date KDE distro, that’ll change, but until then, I think bazzite is objectively a better starting place for beginners.
The mere fact that it generates a new system for you on update and lets you switch between and rollback automatically is enough for me to say it’s better, but it also has more up to date software, and tons of guides (fedora is one of the most popular distros, and bazzite is essentially identical except with some QoL upgrades).
How common is the story of “I was new to linux and completely broke it”? that’s not a good user experience for someone who’s just starting, it’s intimidating, scary, and I just don’t think it’s the best in the modern era. There’s something to be said about learning from these mistakes, but bazzite essentially makes these mistakes impossible.
Furthermore because of the way bazzite works, package management is completely graphical and requires essentially no intervention on the users part, flathub and immutability pair excellently for this reason.
Cinnamon (the default mint environment) doesn’t and won’t support HDR, the security/performance improvements from wayland, mixed refresh rate displays, mixed DPI displays, fractional scaling, and many other things for a very very long time if at all. I don’t understand the usecase for cinnamon tbh, xfce is great if you need performance but don’t want to make major sacrifices, lmde is great if you need A LOT of performance, cinnamon isn’t particularly performant and just a strictly worse version of kde in my eyes from the perspective of a beginner, anyway.
I have 15 years of linux experience and am willing to infinitely troubleshoot if you add me on matrix.
Damage@feddit.it 2 months ago
Eh Arch can be quite stable if you’re careful, but it could also be a frustrating experience, there’s lots of manual configuration
commander@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The more people hop onto Linux the faster and better funded support for Linux development becomes. If you’re a single player gamer or play Valve multiplayer games primarily, make the jump to Linux. Get on Mint, get on Fedora, Ubuntu, etc and get off Microsoft’s shitboat. You already took off from Reddit. Wean off all these other money/data leeches
Suck_on_my_Presence@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m on Mint and have been for 2-3 years now and I’ve never had any problems with non-valve multiplayer. I don’t use any VMs and just run everything through proton and have never struggled.
Battlebit, Helldivers, Lethal Company (+mods), Risk of Rain 2, Rocket League, Minecraft, and Split Fiction to name a few. I guarantee there are others I’ve played, but I can’t remember.
trouble@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Can Linux run Valorant?
Nephalis@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
No Kernel level anti cheat will ever work on linux. But probably Windows will disable the possibillity to manipulate on kernel level either in the future.
ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
It’s not like Windows 10 will magically stop booting or something…
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Running an EoL operating system is surely what you want to do with your personal dat-
Aaaaaaand it’s been compromised
ICastFist@programming.dev 2 months ago
Isn’t that exactly what’s happening as soon as you install win11?
crusa187@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
It’s windows users were talking about here, data security is not exactly top of mind. But maybe many of them are about to find out it should be…
ericatty@infosec.pub 2 months ago
I’m pretty sure all personal data leaks to me and my friends and family have nothing to do with personal EOL OS on personal PCs/laptops.
My Dad, ran Windows 7 (yes, 7) until he passed last year, almost 80. We had his credit locked down, we had antivirus running, we kept the browsers up to date, and he was very good about not clicking weird links or calling fake support numbers.
His biggest data breach (and ours too)? Was from myChart a couple years ago, he got a letter that his data was part of the big hack, yada yada yada free credit reporting - so sorry. If you don’t know, myChart is like The Main medical everything portal in the US at least for most doctors and hospital systems. So all your test results, making appointments, sending messages, requesting Rx refills, all through myChart’s website. The hospitals and doctors using MyChart can see pretty much everything in your myChart health record (some exceptions)
So using super secure OS on your personal computer means nothing when you are part of a hundreds of millions data dump from someone hacking into that. Not having an account just means you don’t have access to your own records, they are still part of the system.
But Yes, I was in the process of getting Dad an upgrade to a flavor of Linux that would be the closest to what he was used to. And the only reason was because browser support was coming to EOL for Windows 7. He really didn’t want to change or lose his solitaire games and he deserved a stress-free life to play his damn games like he wanted.
THAT SAID - if businesses are using EOL OS and getting hacked - they definitely need to do whatever they need to do and protect their customer data. But EOL OS for an average person checking email, making doctor’s appointments, checking headlines, and playing solitaire while streaming music certainly doesn’t call for a need to panic.
IF you are a power user doing sometimes sketch things (according to Apple/MS anyway) probably switch to Linux sooner than later.
We have computers running Linux, Windows 10 (one of which was on 8.1 until a year ago), and Windows 11 in our house. The one on 11 is being tested basically, and will probably be reinstalled with Linux. But we are trying to give it a shot.
paultimate14@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Right?
I never understand why people are so obsessed with not getting updates. They usually just break everything and bloat the OS.
“But my security!” OS updates are going to protect you from 99% of the bad actors out there. They do nothing against social engineering. They don’t make you use strong passwords. Most of the security flaws OS updates are addressing are the kinda of attacks that only state actors or organized crime rings have the resources and abilities to exploit.
Governments? Heck yeah they need to be concerned. Large enterprises? Definitely. Small businesses? Eh it’s probably for the best to protect your livelihood even if you aren’t the juiciest target. But for an individual using their PC for gaming, social media, streaming content, online shopping, etc… The cost-benefit analysis is different.
It’s not different from physical security. Theres a reason you don’t need to go through TSA to get on a bus.
histic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
For now yes but when a zero day is found 1 guy could literally take down every single 10 install and Microsoft won’t be bothered to fix it
Frozengyro@lemmy.world 2 months ago
While I agree, I have seen TSA working at the bus station.
gitamar@feddit.org 2 months ago
I would not be surprised if some vulnerability is kept until Microsoft does not provide any patches as it is worth more then.
simple@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Most people won’t budge. It doesn’t matter if Win10 is unsupported or isn’t getting a security update, I reckon a solid 40 of 43% will just stay on it until programs they use stop working.
brightandshinyobject@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Windows 10 ltsc massgrave.dev
justsquigglez@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Basically my plan until I can scrounge enough money up for a new computer. My current one literally won’t let me upgrade due to some component/driver it lacks.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
It’ll let you upgrade to Linux. It doesn’t play those stupid games with you like MS does.
emb@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yep, I feel like people overestimate how much anyone cares about official support or security patches or whatever. People will assume it’s fine until they’re either forced out or something goes horribly wrong.
Regular folks will most likely let it be if possible, until it’s time for a new PC anyway.
GoodLuckToFriends@lemmy.today 2 months ago
Yep. I’m embarrassed to admit it, but valve dropping support for windows 7 was what made me switch to linux. Until the computer stops working for the average user, they won’t change.
Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yeah I’m just going to stick on Win 10 for a while. Apparently the enterprise version is getting support for longer so maybe I’ll see if I can get on that.
crusa187@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Switch to Linux. As a big-time gamer, I did it last year and it’s been fantastic. Only issue is if you main games with root kit anticheat…but with enough momentum in Linux direction, game studios will be forced to abandon those dubious detection methods anyway.
TylerBourbon@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Sadly I use way too many programs that only work on windows or Mac that Linux would handicap me. The free open source versions of yhe apps I use are no where near as capable.
My only option I can think of would be running a virtual machine of Win10 on a Linux install so I can still use those apps.
zewm@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Another big component that makes it hard to switch for some is also the fact that many programs and web apps won’t work on Linux.
As an example , if you use peacock on your browser to watch things like wrestling PLEs, peacock(and other services) straight up block Linux users.
It’s annoying when the product will work but it’s being gatekept by these greedy fucking companies.
applemao@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’ve been hard at trying to get games i like to work in mint. It takes a lit of time but it’s going ok. Like you said though kind of sucks for multi-player. I can’t even get diabolical multi-player to work (after I looked up how to fix the instant crashing audio driver issue) . It’s also a lot of qork getting any racing game to work with my DFGT…even though linux does see the axis and buttons, the force feedback is all messed up. Wish I knew how to code so I could fix these issues! But I don’t have 12 hours a day to ever learn that
MrFinnbean@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Why Gates in the picture tough?
He stepped down as a chairman over 10 years ago and didint he leave the microsoft board like 5 years ago?
jewbacca117@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Starting to plan my next build and will likely go full Linux
victorz@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I play only on Linux, and it works great. Come on over!
glitchdx@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I switched to linux full time almost a year ago.
I have been thus far entirely unsuccessful in convincing anyone else to make the jump. Normal people do not give a fuck, will not lift a finger to improve their digital lives. I’ve been telling friends and family about adblockers for YEARS, and not a single one ever bothered to do it of their own volition. If I don’t do it for them, then they just sit through ads like complacent sheep. None of them are going to change operating systems if they can’t even install a browser extension.
terrifyingtuba@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I am going to attempt to switch to Linux, I’m definitely not going to willingly use windows platforms again.
Vari@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Sticking with 10 for a bit, moving to Linux
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Linux is fine. Ive been using it since before ubuntu was invented. But Windows has the most goddamn computer games.
HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s going to be purchase a new hard drive and then jump to Linux Mint this August.
It’s not an experience I am looking forward to (5080S, I do a lot of modding, and enjoy fangames/indie games which do not always play nice with linux) but needs must - the Linux community in general is very friendly, so we’ll get through it, even if the first 6 months are rough. I’ll keep the dual boot and push the windows partition to 11 if needed by work, that way I can put off rewriting my elderly access database for another few years.
Honestly, Microsoft are committing suicide when it comes to home users. It won’t be sudden, but the wheels are turning, all the IT savvy folks are switching people over (already did my aunt’s potato, mum’s demi-tato is next week). Eventually, a tipping point will be reached and offices will start switching - I hope that day comes before I die of old age!
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 months ago
It’s not like that shits gonna make your computer explode the day they end support lol
Madcat81@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Can’t upgrade because my 4 years old mobo is apparently too old (haven’t checked out the workarounds yet). Installed Linux Mint to give it a try and I am positively surprised so far.
naticus@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Made my jump to Arch (btw) a couple of years ago and haven’t really looked back. I have Win10 as a second boot option, but that’s reserved specifically for Game Pass and VR, but it’s very rare I boot it. Don’t care to upgrade even after EOL, and I’d never recommend Arch to anyone but the most comfortable with Linux, but it’s been a great option for me.
Manticore@lemmy.nz 2 months ago
Nope, will probably avoid 11 as long as I can though. I have an Mvidia card (drivers are notoriously troublesome on Linux). And I need professional design software for work (as it industry standard: Adobe or Affinity).
But I put 11 on my laptop to try it and I hate it. So many terrible UI changes, UX noticeably worse. Like they changed stuff just to say they changed stuff.
I considered going Linux for personal use and development, and then using another machine or dual boot for Mac for design software. But i learned about the Nvidia issues after I upgraded my card :/
sdtg5afwooasiwefr@lemmy.world 2 months ago
This year will be the year of the Linux desktop for shure. I believe in it like the years before.
ramenshaman@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I spent a couple hours trying to get Baldur’s Gate 3 running on Linux. It was rough but I got it to run at 1440 but the latency made it sort of unplayable. It runs great in Windows 10 at 4k with the default settings. I have some other windows-only software so I guess I’m going to “upgrade” all my computers that are able to do so but I don’t feel good about it. All my computers dual boot windows/linux, I would love to be linux-only.
User79185@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
IIRC W11 share is barely near W10 and they are already forcing it out and crapton of perfectly usable hardware, if it is not planned obsolescence i don’t know what it is? Fuck microsoft!
OtherPetard@feddit.nl 2 months ago
I’m using 10+ years old hardware, Microsoft has already told me I can’t upgrade, followed by several messages asking me to upgrade…
In other news, Linux Mint works nice and I just need to check Protondb to get Warframe running at frames per second and not seconds per frame
hperrin@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
I got ahead of the game a little bit by switching to Linux in 2008.
WetBeardHairs@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I just gave up on windows gaming. If the game cant be played on my steamdeck, I just find something else. Otherwise its macos and linux for anything non-professional that requires windows. And even then I fucking hate it. Oh look at that… all my documents say “Auto-recover (version 1)” because it forcibly rebooted on me.
Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Man, I really tried today to get Linux on my Framework laptop.
I can’t believe how goddamn frustrating the experience has been, and I’ve dabbled in Linux for decades.
I try Mint. Install as a dual boot… Installation done. Reboot. Straight into Windows. Check partitions and nothing has changed.
Try again. All seems fine. Boot. Some error screen that won’t let me get into Mint.
Do this like four more times with no luck.
Tried Ubuntu. No easy way to install as a dual boot unless I want to mess around with custom paritions. Also, GNOME sucks ass, but Ubuntu seems way more polished than Mint.
I did get mint on a mini PC I have running through my TV. But audio wasn’t working, so that took a while to sort out. And the onscreen keyboard does nothing on the lock screen. So unpolished, and I have no idea why it’s recommended “for beginners” when it feels unfinished.
With windows, there’s no messing around. Everything just works. And I fucking hate that I feel forced to choose a miserable, hacky, terminal-based experience with countless hours of installing shit through commands… Or a smooth, reliable, easy one with bloatware and spying on the backend. Goddammit!
robdor@lemmynsfw.com 2 months ago
Where’s that steam os release
SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Why need upgrade at all? I’ve never needed “support” before
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
too late already did switch to linux :3
Culf@feddit.dk 2 months ago
Switched to Linux (mint) recently.
All my games run (almost) perfect and (almost) everything has been working perfectly. Overall it is much nicer than Windows and isn’t that hard getting used to.
Would much recommend!
n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Yep, fuck M$
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Only semi-related: Why do they always show pictures of Gates when he hasn’t been involved in MS in a long time? Why never Satya Nadella?
HeyJoe@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I was thinking the same thing. He will just forever be known as the guy. Maybe it will change once he dies?
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Maybe, he is indeed looking hella rough in this photo.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Didn’t work for Steve Jobs.
capuccino@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I don’t think so. Gate’s shoes are big ones.
UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Personally, I think this picture of Steve Balmer is so much more iconic and should be used for every single article about Microsoft or Windows:
Developers developers developers developers! Developers developers developers developers! Developers developers developers developers! Developers developers developers developers! Developers developers developers developers!
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s weird how MS’s putting developers first became a joke. Back in the 80’s, companies like HP and IBM had open warehouses with coders at desks lined up like factory workers. MS was the first big company to give a private office to every programmer.
towelie@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I couldn’t name another Microsoft employee if a gun was to my head. but I can still vividly remember myself in 4th grade reading about Bill Gate’s mega mansion in Popular Mechanics for Kids
omgitsaheadcrab@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Steve Balmer! Developers developers developers! That’s the other one I know
MurrayL@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Gabe Newell?
Pantsofmagic@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m somewhat in the same boat but I remember Mister “Developers Developers Developers” Steve Ballmer who was also immortalized by the “Ballmer Peak” XKCD. xkcd.com/323/
tyler@programming.dev 2 months ago
Holy shit I remember that article too!
pennomi@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I could but that’s because a friend of mine works on the legacy rendering code in Excel. He has some traumatic war stories to share.
b_tr3e@feddit.org 2 months ago
Because he set the general, evil directions for MS. Like keeping users uninformed and locked in, smearing the competition, sabotaging open standards, taking your control over your hardware and data away from users, etc. All happened during evil Bill’s reign.
ICastFist@programming.dev 2 months ago
Not to mention the many deals with hardware manufacturers in order to avoid competing OSs to have any chance. They managed to kill BeOS and dominate the Japanese market in the 90s
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I was wondering why Bill Gates would be talking about Steam users.
kungen@feddit.nu 2 months ago
It’s maybe some kind of circular logic, but my brain doesn’t recognize a picture of Satya Nadella = “Microsoft’s CEO” for some reason.
victorz@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Maybe your brain would, if it had a chance to connect the two if they posted more pictures of Satya and Microsoft in the same context…
nyctre@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m here, so I’m more likely to know who that is or what he looks like. But I don’t. I do now because you mentioned him and I looked up how he looks like. Your average Joe is gonna be even less likely to know who that is or what he looks like. So I’m guessing that’s why. Some CEOs just avoid the spotlight. Or maybe I’ve just been avoiding MS news, dunno
tauren@lemm.ee 2 months ago
It’s a vicious cycle. The media don’t use Satya Nadella’s name or picture much, so people don’t know who he is or how he looks like.
Wooki@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Under his watch they did form the anti-opensource and EEE mantra
NRay7882@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Optics or marketing, it’s the same reason LLMs are all called AI.