We live in a society
Pretty interesting when you really think about it.
Submitted 4 months ago by Mickey7@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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Hoimo@ani.social 4 months ago
el_doso@lemmy.world 4 months ago
We live in a patchwork of societies, I think is the thing
TheImpressiveX@lemm.ee 4 months ago
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Allonzee@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I take it you’re not from the US as we’re trained from birth to be overtly hostile to the concept, as well as each other.
FelixCress@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Sadly.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Wait til you learn that the reason you hate immigrants and immigration is that the wealthy conditioned you to hate them. Notice how capital can cross borders, but people can’t? This allows the wealthy to profit off of international arbitrage, while regular citizens can’t. A CEO can move a factory to a low cost country to save on labor, but you in a wealthy country can’t move there to save on cost of living. And the citizens in a poor country can’t move to a wealthy country to earn better wages. The corporations get to take advantage of international arbitrage, but you don’t.
sean@lemmy.wtf 4 months ago
Corporations are people except when they’re conveniently not!
Juice@midwest.social 4 months ago
This is clearly a completely natural phenomenon, like the weather !
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Notice how capital can cross borders, but people can’t?
Well… some capital. Don’t try to order anything from Cuba or Venezuela or Russia and expect it on your doorstep any time soon.
Possibly Mexico, Canada, or China soon too, if the Trumpies get everything they’re asking for.
And the citizens in a poor country can’t move to a wealthy country to earn better wages.
Best example of this I’ve ever seen (other than Israel/Gaza, which is really more of an interior border) is Haiti/Dominican Republic. The fact that they’re all on the same island but one half looks like the fucking Korean Demilitarized Zone to keep the other side out is bleak af.
Juice@midwest.social 4 months ago
Well… some capital. Don’t try to order anything from Cuba or Venezuela or Russia and expect it on your doorstep any time soon.
This is a pretty interesting exception. The reason why Cuban or Venezuelan or Russian capital isn’t very available internationally is because of embargoes. These embargoes and sanctions operate for the benefit of western imperialism, itself just another form of capitalism.
So the reason why national capital isn’t available to international capital is because international capital prevents it from being available. Compare this to many post-colonial African and south american nations. The ones that towed the line of western imperialism, who politically nurtured a national ruling class to benefit and oversee the exploitation of the vast majority of their population in order to provide cheap labor and commodities, have “open” economies. Countries that attempt to provide for the social welfare of the masses (Cuba, Venezuela) or countries who pursue their own internationalist, “imperialist” agendas counter to the western consensus (current Russia) face embargo and sanction.
This is not to deflect any and all criticism from Cuba, Venezuela or historic Soviet Russia. It is an interesting condition to think about.
lud@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Or mostly anywhere really. The EU exists for all that to be easier within the EU.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 months ago
This dude really is a pompous ass sometimes.
Mickey7@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Agreed he can be pompous but I think since he’s an astronomer he is making the point that if you were in space and looked at earth you would wonder why are there borders
ElPussyKangaroo@lemmy.world 4 months ago
What about this tweet reads as pompous to you?
DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 4 months ago
“If everyone was as wise as me, I wouldn’t suffer this tiresome charade”
Mac@mander.xyz 4 months ago
To judge others so, you must be the personification of kindness and benevolence. Surely?
pyre@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I don’t care if you hate him; he’s right on this. this entire thing is bullshit.
ViolentPacifist@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Who hates him?
Agent641@lemmy.world 4 months ago
A lot of people think he’s become a bit of a wanker on social media and IRL. Some of his tweets are cringe and makes him doing like he’s lightyears up his own ass.
frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 4 months ago
Apparently a lot of women who had to work with him
Allonzee@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I love all the posts calling him arrogant and elitist for pointing out something, in a critical manner, that by its nature is arrogant and elitist: nation state borders.
Those things that make people who’ve done nothing feel entitled to more resources than other people by virtue of where their mother was when she gave birth.
I think dwelling on their artifical, self-serving nature is healthier than taking them seriously in any other sense than the threat of state violence for failing to pretend that they’re sacred.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Yes and no.
Borders may not mean a lot when you just pop out of your mother.
But when you have worked 30-50 years building a place in a certain way you may actually have some legit entitlement on all that you built and worked for.
Allonzee@lemmy.world 4 months ago
How do the people living in squalor despite working usually even harder with less protections than that worker who worked 30-50 years having their building being protected from those people’s opportunity to do the same, or to make that worker’s 30-50 years of building yield a little less so that none of them toil 30-50 years for basically nothing?
You seem to be looking at this from a tiny nation state citizen viewpoint rather than a holistic, humanistic viewpoint.
Self-serving self-interest doesn’t impress me. It’s the reason humanity is on the brink of destroying our habitat and killing one another all over.
The most destructive notion humanity was ever inspired to have was “ok… But what’s in it for me?”
theangryseal@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I wish I could upvote you a thousand times.
Stern@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Had to put on pants to go outside due to artificially created laws.
meliaesc@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Facts 😢
Decoy321@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I dunno I kind of hate sitting where someone else’s sweaty ass has sat on first. I’ll let this one slide.
mhague@lemmy.world 4 months ago
But you take them off when you kiss a mirror
halowpeano@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I think it actually is interesting if you’re going to call out humans as a species of animal!
All across species from unicellular to megafauna, from plants to fungus, you can find mechanisms used to defend an individual’s physical territory. Ants and bees from the same species will fight and kill others colony members of they stray into their territory. Bears will fight and kill other bears. Our closest relatives, chimps, will go to war with neighboring chimp bands.
Artificial borders are humans way of saying “this is my territory enter at your own risk”. The REALLY interesting thing is that we have established systematic exceptions to the behaviors we see in nature. “Ask us before you come and you can visit and be safe here from those that enforce our territory.”
The temporary nature is unique, many social animals will permanently adopt an outsider into their group on occasion, equivalent to immigration, but I’m not aware of any that have pre-agreed temporary violations of group territory.
AppleTea@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
I guess you can draw that comparison, but then human territories are exponentially bigger than anything an equivalent social animal might claim as “at at your risk area”. A traveling pack of dogs can just go around another pack’s territory. We can’t do that, we’re boxed in. There’s no neutral space left. I guess you could argue there’s international waters, but that’s practically inaccessible to most people.
UntitledQuitting@reddthat.com 4 months ago
okay I don’t know how to articulate this properly but i’ll try;
fukn get rekt ngt
Dasus@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Black science man always talks like he’s done weed for the first time and is trying to impress his nephew’s friends.
emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de 4 months ago
I fucking hate this guy so much. He wants to be carl sagan or stephen hawking so badly, but hes ignorant as fuck and all his ‘deep thoughts’ are shallower than a puddle.
someguy3@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It would be fine if he didn’t talk with such a pretentious tone.
9point6@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Yes borders are bullshit, but he really doesn’t have to come across all high and mighty about it
baggins@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
Hits the joint “borders man”
This is not interesting.
CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
I’m not saying NDT isn’t a smart guy, but yeah he does tend to do that thing a lot where you describe a normal concept in a sort of detached anthropological way so it sounds profound even if it isn’t.
uzay@infosec.pub 4 months ago
PSA: If all you have to do is wait in line, you’re privileged af
GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Ok?
victorz@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I think about this a few times a year and I become sad each time. We only get this one planet in the whole ass universe. And we can barely see all of it, unless we’re lucky and/or rich (at least moreso than most of humankind).
It’s profoundly ridiculous.
ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 4 months ago
I was flying to south East Asia, looking at the digital map of the plane. From above, you can kinda see the country lines.
What made me feel that incredible sadness is that within a 1000 mile radius, a child born might live in a world where they struggle with starvation and have worms in their stomach, or wake up each day with anime and toys. Some countries have so much wealth and resources. Where others barely have anything. I think about all of that as I fly to my vacation destination, having been incredibly lucky to have been born in a pretty wealthy country.
One could argue that you can be poor/abused anywhere. But there’s a clear difference in quality of life here.
victorz@lemmy.world 4 months ago
One could argue that you can be poor/abused anywhere. But there’s a clear difference in quality of life here.
Very true. You’ve captured my exact sentiment here.
And also, the very fact that you can be poor even in rich countries is an even greater failure of the system. Nobody in a “rich” country should be impoverished. There are plenty of resources there to take care of everyone as long as we all work together. But the system rewards only those who work for themselves.
Luvs2Spuj@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Mobility is better now than it has ever been, so don’t get too sad about that.
victorz@lemmy.world 4 months ago
But only for the rich. If you don’t have money, you can’t
escapeleave your country. Barely even travel in your own country. Society has broken our nomadic heritage. We did it to ourselves eons ago when we started cultivation of the land, but with the modern borders and stuff, it’s just been made so much harder.dipcart@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You’re totally right about this. I find it frustrating in a different way that the ability to travel is easier and possible, which hasn’t been the case for the majority of humanity, but (generally) artificial restrictions prevent it from happening.
I’m from Canada and my partner was born in Europe. When I hear how easily she was able to travel by train and plane, it makes me sad that we don’t have a similar system. Even airfare is significantly cheaper there because trains are a worthy competitor.
A friend of mine who has relatives in China has talked about how people my age (university age) have been using the new train system to see so much of their country than they otherwise would be able to.
I hope that eventually there will be a similar transit system in Canada that allows poor people to see the country they live in. And I understand that by even living in Canada I don’t really count amongst the global impoverished population. I understand the privilege.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 4 months ago
Maybe it’s because I know autistic people, but NDT’s obtuse starry-eyed splaining never triggered me as much as it seems to others.
He’s an astrological trapped on a planet. What do you expect
AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 4 months ago
Personally, I find him irksome because I get a strong vibe from him that he thinks of himself as a very smart person, looking down on the intellectual peasants. Part of why I perceive him that way is because this is how I used to think, as an autistic nerd who built much of my identity up around being smart. That’s also why behaviour of the sort that shows up on /r/iamverysmart (such as many of NDT’s posts) makes me cringe so much.
Dissecting this a bit further, it’s not necessarily that I think he thinks he’s better than other people — rather the opposite: some of the most intellectually arrogant people I have known are, at their core, deeply insecure and feeling the need to justify their interests by presenting themselves in a certain way.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 4 months ago
Yeah that’s exactly the vibe I get but for some reason it makes me feel more charitable towards him. Maybe because it doesn’t trigger like an echo cringe in me because I’m not like that.
(I’m just like directly insecure lol)
glitchdx@lemmy.world 4 months ago
it’s worth noting when the hate against NDT started and who was the most vocal about it.
Cosmos aired, and the christians flipped their shit. At the time, it was hilarious. Now it’s kinda sad.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 months ago
I’m not Christian, haven’t seen the show, and still think he’s a pompous ass.
Saithe@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
He somehow managed to make border abolition sound uncool. Many people don’t agree with it for many reasons, none of which were it being uncool until this tweet
PlexSheep@infosec.pub 4 months ago
This is a call for world federalism. I support it, but it’s probably ahead of our time. A democratic world federation (a truly united nations [of earth] perhaps) would be able to more effectively solve many (global) problems.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 months ago
Or it’s a return to how things were before nationalism rotted the brains of basically everyone on Earth
frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 4 months ago
You’re imagining a false history. Before nationalism it was tribalism which is just small nationalism. Before that it was “if I see a male of my species I may have to kill them”.
Hiro8811@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Probably once aliens make their apparition, there’d be a much greater incentive to unite
5in1k@lemm.ee 4 months ago
If I said the shit that fart smeller says people would literally say “shut up stoner” to me.
Juice@midwest.social 4 months ago
You have to have an advanced degree, wealth and celebrity in order to publicly proclaim something that an introspective 12 year old would yell at his friends at 4 in the morning after completing a dare that he could gulp down a whole cup of sugar without coughing or puking
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 4 months ago
As if humans weren’t fiercely tribalistic forever. Other species beat each other to death, too.
The post may be right, but getting a bunch of Homo sapiens from far away not to club each other to death is, historically, a hard problem.
Krudler@lemmy.world 4 months ago
oh this bloviating asshat
Yeah fuckface, borders are this thing in geopolitics which ALSO involves OTHER sovereign nations that might not WANT your fucking moron face there
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Missing the message because you hate the messenger.
qarbone@lemmy.world 4 months ago
What is the message? That borders are dumb?
lorty@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
It’s crazy to think that the level of border control we have today would be unfathomable to someone even 100 years ago. If we go a bit earlier, how could you even ID someone without photographs?
Miaou@jlai.lu 4 months ago
People could tell which village you came from just by your accent, strangers would easily stand out
theneverfox@pawb.social 4 months ago
Sure, but go to a city and you’re just another import. Go to another country, and you’re just “the foreigner”. Through almost all of human history, you could just kinda leave your past behind if you just ran away
tino@lemmy.world 4 months ago
what he’s really complaining about is queuing, not borders. first world problem.
baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 4 months ago
“ ‘Private property is the smallest unit of warfare’ - The Environmental Rescue Team Handbook”
— Annalee Newitz, The Terraformers (2023), chapter 15
AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 4 months ago
This needs one of those bell curve memes.
Txmyx@feddit.org 4 months ago
Join Schengen! It’s easy, unless Austria abuses it’s Veto rights
Toneswirly@lemmy.world 4 months ago
So deep, so wise.
1984@lemmy.today 4 months ago
Next episode, Tyson discovers flowers.
yarr@feddit.nl 4 months ago
You think that’s bad? Every April I have to hand the country I live in a bunch of papers with numbers on them just to exist. If I don’t, they send men with guns. How crazy is that?
PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Sure, as soon as we all agree on what form of government to have and what actions it should take, or at least the point at which we are all willing to not take up arms in opposition against it, we can get rid of these artificially conceived borders.
hobovision@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Fuck you very much for making me read that.
_____@lemm.ee 4 months ago
NDT the goat of saying rly dumb shit but everyone thinks it’s somehow enlightening. he’s like Jaden smith but Twitter likes him
fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I mean I agree with him here. It’s ridiculous how we are still this tribalistic species while basically everyone would be better off when we would work together (e.g. climate change would be non-existent)
Saleh@feddit.org 4 months ago
Passports weren’t a general concept until the end of the 19th century. Before they were mostly to allow passage to certain areas inside one country, rather than for movement between countries. There have been Identifications for Nobels and Diplomats though.
Anyways the whole concept is mostly a concept of modern nation states not of ancient tribalism.
superkret@feddit.org 4 months ago
In tribal times, there were no maps and the borders moved a lot, but when you crossed them, you generally got driven back or killed.
This goes back to before there were humans, and all other territorial animals do it, too.
IronKrill@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
It is possible to agree with something and still believe it is terribly presented.
Crampon@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Bold claim stating that climate change wouldn’t be real if we just worked together. As if we didn’t live in an ice age as the same species we are now.
DuckBilledMongoose@lemmings.world 4 months ago
Just evolve into a homo without tribalism then and outbreed the rest of us
RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 4 months ago
Yes, but… did you know, if you kiss a mirror you will always kiss yourself on the lips. How’s that?
_____@lemm.ee 4 months ago
actually schizoposting before it was popular
tyo_ukko@sopuli.xyz 4 months ago
Saying dumb shit with smart words is pretty tight tho.
Sergio@slrpnk.net 4 months ago
Expressing the basest of notions with the loftiest of words is the pinnacle of wit.