Submitted 11 months ago by slaacaa@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
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“we’re still learning What’s best for PC players”
Translation: We’re trying multiple predatory methods to see how far we can push PC players and figure out what we can get away with, compared to all the shit shows we successfully pulled off on our own platform.
We all want PlayStation exclusives on PC, their response now is going to be their own launcher. Just a guess on my end.
What’s wild to me is they’re making their own overlay for their PC games. Ghost of Tsushima is supposed to be the first release title with it. Do they not understand steam already has an overlay? I feel like 2 overlays would just compete and be obnoxious and possibly ever impact performance.
Also, why? If it is for co-op crossplay, just make linking PSN to Steam optional, and state it is needed for inviting/grouping with any PS5 friends. Then do what every other multiplatform game does and show 2 friends list in the game.
“we’re sorry that we got caught”
“We’re still learning just how far we can push PC players.”
This shows the power of steam reviews with it being driven by the actual community. People tried to downplay and belittle its effectiveness, but it being front and center on the store page does have more impact than there would be without steam reviews. If there were no steam reviews the PSN requirement would have been pushed through with it being easier to ignore some random internet comments on social media than a store page.
Reviews aren’t pointless, but their impact only goes so far. I am assuming the massive amount of refunds had more to do with it, tbh.
I suspect someone in accounting ran the numbers and decided they stand to lose more to reduced microtransaction sales than they would have gained via selling scraped data.
Though I agreed with you. It’s still a win, but we have to be careful not to conflate this with Sony “caring”.
It's probably a bit of this and a bit of that. I mean the game went from one of the best revied games to one of the worst in a day. There were refunds and a drop in players all at the same time.
I’d imagine that there’s math to be done on sales for a mixed review game vs. a overwhelming positive one, and its not favorable.
It’s a good reminder that collective bargaining works. It’s about time we bring back unions and cooperatives.
Made me imagine a page where everyone everyday can leave 1 vote on how good the government performs
If the scores are too low for a prolonged period of time, the government is dismissed.
(Obviously a very first-second concept with millions of flaws - just a thought)
Now do it for things like universal healthcare and taxing the rich!
Country reviews on Steam, do it Gabe
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ or else you basically support Xbox
The sony communities I saw poopooing the whole thing flipped immediately into “WE DID IT” mode, pretending they actually cared about the people that were going to lose access.
This is why Steam reviews should be taken much more seriously. This was impossible to avoid due to the enormous amount of bad press and devs themselves jumping on the hate train, but I’m betting that a lot of review bombing attempts have been quietly offset by the company just paying people for fake reviews. It’s especially obvious when the game has relatively low reviews for months and months, then suddenly bad stuff happens and along with the justified dump of negative reviews, positive ones also skyrocket (99% of which composed of “good game”, random memes or ascii art).
Negative reviews should remain until the purchase restrictions put in place on Steam for non-PSN countries have been reverted.
Until then this looks like a temporary move for damage control and they’ll try this again when refunds are less likely and wont be from restricted countries.
steamdb.info/sub/137730/history/?changeid=2341654…
Democracy has not won yet.
There was a theory that the purchase restrictions were put in place by Valve, not Sony (because those countries couldn’t make an account without violating TOS). If so, Valve might shortly remove the restrictions.
Would the publisher not have to request the game not be sold in those countries before Valve restricts the sale of it?
I believe that Valve may be the ones who do it, but just doing it without permission sounds… Illegal and out of their jurisdiction.
I know Valve controls their storefront and can absolutely pull games down, just looking for some clarification on whether this could be true or not.
Honestly I’m keeping my negative review permanent. The game is great and I enjoy it, but besides a temporary back lash I want the sting to stick around to hopefully teach companies about fucking around and finding out.
Maybe you’ll be teaching them that changing course brings no relief from punishment
They won’t learn anything. They only nulled their bullshit because it would hurt their financial quarter because their biggest cash cow game at the moment is bombing. They only way to maybe make them learn would be if every single one of the “outraged gamers” would just uninstall and never play it again, but that won’t happen and Sony knows that (which is why they can try pulling that shit in the first place).
Good for the peeps in non-PSN countries tho. For them, this is a real win.
“We’re still learning what is best for PC players” Well PlayStation staff member, it definitely isn’t having people create another account when they already have a Steam account.
Also gaming on a PC is 40 years old, what do they still have to learn?
How much less bullshit PC players are willing to put up with compared to their console counterparts, apparently.
They are used to playstation players who buy a console for twice the price it's worth through discord bots. I don't think they even know what a backlash is
It’s all a fucking smokescreen. Man, people just eat that shit up. Every time. It’s almost like the game is saturated in satire and we’re spooning it down ourselves.
Oh, wait. fuck.
“You guys actually want to play these things? Yeeesh.”
They are learning what level of bullshit PC gamers will tolerate.
Maybe a company that has (mostly) made consoles isn’t exactly playing games or has people on staff on the executive level that play(ed) on a PC. I’m 30 and outside of a brief time I tried to play on a PC I’ve pretty much been console my entire life. My first gaming experiences were all on console. It’s completely logical for a company to make a move like this when they have specialized in one area for a time.
Just another nail to the bootlicker’s coffin of “review bombing does nothing”.
God I hate bootlickers. Fuck em.
Review bombing and mass refunding too. Hit them where it hurts
Yeah, like, you know what is best for PC players, it just doesn’t come together with financial interest :D
The lack of humility in their statement makes me think they haven’t learned anything.
Yea, this reads more like a sorry, this was too forced we will do something more subtle in the future. Not an actual apology.
Translated: Dear suckers who keep giving us money for half-finished products. We are sincerely sorry, sorry for getting caught. We thought we could squeeze through with this one, but apparently our PC fans are not as gullible as our console fans.
They haven’t. Ghosts of Tsushima’s PC release is going to require it from day 1 for the online component. The only thing Sony has learned is that the shittiness has to be ready and working from the start.
Yeah but the humility in their actions shows they did.
Getting abusive parent vibes from the language of Sony’s post.
Corporate PR speak always sounds cringe and I despise it. Just be humans you fucking pricks.
Always is. They went too far. They scale back and try again when the dust has settled.
Oldest trick in the books
Starting off with “we’ve heard your feedback” is something I’ve never heard from an abusive parent?
Glorious Victory ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Major Order Completed! +50 Medals
Where are the: "just make an account bro" people now? Probably pre ordering skyrim the definite edition
I was one of them to begin with but once I found out about the whole thing with people of certain countries not able to have an account even though they had already bought the game and we’re even previously able to play are more locked out, then I was on board.
I’m not against just making accounts, I must have thousands across the internet, what would be one more if I hadn’t already had a PSN account.
Demanding we apologize for the negative reviews now that Sony has reverted the change, if the discord server is anything to go by
Probably just playing the game.
Shitstorm = Feedback
Noted…
For now… 🖕🏽 They worded that so weasely, they’re just waiting for the storm to pass and for Legal to come up with some compelling reason why they’re totally “obligated” to make it happen, “hands tied” “so sorry” and all that.
Fuck Sony. They made this SOP way back when, and there’s no way they let this stop them forever. It’s all about profit, not what “we” want.
“Sorry, we’ll have to do it in a few months again to see if you still can mobilize this much”.
Holy shit I was wrong
Cyberbullying works 🎉
This has nothing to do with the shitstorm (it mostly hit Arrowhead anyway), and I think the review bombing didn’t affect their decision making that much. What I think happened was, Sony saw the massive refunds. They got hit right into the wallet 😩
This makes me smile.
The fact that they specifically mention that date makes me think they’re simply pushing the date back
This has the “fuck you” energy without the actual word
OK now they can go ahead with plan B where they allow you to link your PSN account to get some super cool cosmetic. I wonder what the reaction of the consumers will be then.
Have they reinstated the games back in the 177 countries they delisted it in? Can those people who paid for the game still play it?
Nice! Guess I can add it back to my wishlist and consider buying it soon! Been holding off on it too long
So, someone in my Discord channel posted a tweet that maybe alters perspective a bit;
cdn.discordapp.com/…/not-surprised-but-damn-v0-jj…
To summarize or if the link breaks, one of the devs “knew beforehand” they’d have to require PSN accounts post launch, but disabled them for a smooth launch. That’s interesting, but as long as Sony was acting as publisher I feel like the blame still goes on them for selling the game to non-PSN countries initially.
It’s still packaged with that awful and invasive nProtect GameGuard garbage though, so be be aware of what you’re buying before you make the choice.
PC gamers with the W for not folding to bad choices. More gamers need to do this.
Good. I hope this collaboration will kick 3rd party launchers from Steam in the future.
I think there’d have been a lot less pushback if the gamers had got something in return, like Steam/PSN cross-buy on Sony published titles.
It’s not even like they could claim it being needed for cross-play, because it demonstrably works without it.
Still not going to buy it.
Cool to see. I might buy this game :)
loo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
More like
barsquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s weird how collective action works so well but they only choose to do it for this linking requirement. You could get the rootkits gone as well, gamers.
loo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Most people don’t know what they’re installing or don’t care about their privacy, which is why there’s not enough people rising up against kernel level AC’s. Also, not being able to play until you create an account is much more upsetting to most people, than just clicking ‘update’ in League of Legends.
WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
the oroblem with that is that the people playing thoose games have no idea ehat a rootkit is
Vespair@lemm.ee 11 months ago
This! God, please.
Guru_Insights99@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Brooooo this victory is an absolute game-changer for us die-hard Xbox fans, and it’s downright exhilarating! Sony’s constant blunders pale in comparison to the countless triumphs of team Xbox, and this might just be the knockout blow that finally converts those Lamestationers to our side. Brace yourselves for an epic shift as the unrivaled supremacy of our console dazzles and dominates, pulling every gamer into its unstoppable vortex of pure excitement and adrenaline-fueled gaming bliss!👊👊
WoodenDing@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Whoa, this gave me some late 2000s nostalgia.
pulverizedcoccyx@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
“Annnnnnnd post!”
Spuddlesv2@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
I can’t tell if you’re being downvoted by dorks who don’t realise you’re joking or by dorks who DO realise you’re joking and feel attacked. Either way, sad, silly down voters.
AlexisFR@jlai.lu 11 months ago
Great shitpost!
Resonosity@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This sounds like a chatGPT post ngl
UprisingVoltage@feddit.it 11 months ago
Lmao
Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Get back in your hole console peasant and Xbox shill
turkalino@lemmy.yachts 11 months ago
The amount of downvotes this has makes me worried about Lemmy’s sense of humor
whostosay@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Thanks, definitely not Xbox employee.
Rakudjo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
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Redecco@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Why is this downvoted, this is great!
bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Phil Spencer, is that you?
elxeno@lemm.ee 11 months ago
And they already got a bunch of new accounts
ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Like an emotionally abusive partner.
PhAzE@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
That’s part of the enshitifcation process.