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• Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  There is a license that says that all derivatives must also be open source. But also AI companies don’t care about the law, they stole all there data, engage in insider trading, circular trading, and generating all manner of illegal content, they don’t give a fuck. And the US government is doing anything to hold them accountable, infact the president is getting in on it.

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  • A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    And the US government is doing anything to hold them accountable

    I think meant “nothing” instead of “anything”?

    Anyhow, yes, all this is very much the product of the current US admin.

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• dohpaz42@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Coincidentally, OOP just explained academic publishing to a T.

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  • Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    A parasite can take different shapes but only one form.

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  • ferrule@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Sort of. Unless you go to a private university taxes go to the public schools to fun facilities and wages for the educators. While you may pay tuition, the overall cost of that education and the services needed for one to do research doesn’t come wholely out of your pocket.

    Now I agree you should be compensated more, as someone who tried to get published academically and has filed patents I can see why there is a split of compensation.

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• Wilco@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  That is how capitalism works.

  The American Weather Service provided weather updates for free, but a company came along and just started copying what the weather service posted … then sued the Weather Service for publicly posting the weather because the government is not allowed to provide a service for free that a company can charge for.

  Insanity.

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  • TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Government issues the business licenses. Seems like someone needs to be reminded who has who by the balls.

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    • Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨44⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      In case anyone didn’t know the answer is business as in business has the government by the balls.

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• corbindallas@fedinsfw.app ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I think this is the story of humanity. It ain’t getting better until we massacre the inhumanly rich, eat Thier families while the world watches, and force evil socialism on shared intellectual property

  Follow me for more bad advice

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  • abbadon420@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I don’t know the difference between bad advice and good advice anymore

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    • TheparishofChigwell@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Styrofoam and diesel are great for toppling governments. Douse the rich!

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  • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    See, here’s the thing. Everybody loves to point at the guilitine, and the French Revolution. They love to say “Lets do what they did!”

    Here’s the problem. Nobody talks about what came next.

    Because what happened was, you had one group of rich assholes who controlled everything, and treated everybody else like shit. So the French chopped off their heads, and got rid of these rich assholes.

    And what happened next? Well, a lot of infighting, but the end result was instead of having a group of rich assholes controlling everyone, you instead had a different group of not rich assholes controlling everyone, who thengot rich from it. And nothing changed.

    I think, before we go around killing everyone, we need a plan. We need to figure out why humans are so quick to all clump up as one submissive blob, who follows the will of whoever claims to have power.

    Instead of 1 president, or 1 dictator, I think we should instead have a panel of 1 million people. Tens of thousands of people from every state. Anyone can apply, and if need be, your individual county can run sn election if you’re not running unopposed.

    This I think would cut down tremendously on corruption in our government. Because a company couldn’t just bribe 1 president. They’d need to bribe 1 million people.

    And the comittee would always represent the people, because they ARE the people. Most people would know at least 1 committee member in their neighborhood.

    THEN you can kill all the rich assholes.

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    • A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      The French Revolution was succesful. What the king & nobles did before that was much, much worse.

      It just wasn’t a socialist revolution. The bourgeoisie won.

      It also didn’t happen just like that, it took 10 years - Wikipedia calls it “a period of political and societal change”. I think it’s fair to say it wasn’t completely unplanned.

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    • Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Wealth cap or bust. No one should ever be able to make 1 billion. I think there should be forced divestments after 1 bil and you’re barred from the stock market for 5 years. Plus☝🏻, if you use any money to build anything whether it be a building or a business, said billionaire is not allowed to earn more than a total of 1 million/yr.

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    • HasturInYellow@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      There needs to be a little killing first, to set the tone. I like your ideas, but there is no way in this world or any other that the rich assholes would allow you to assemble a committee like that. They would literally carpet bomb it before allowing it.

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    • Zephorah@discuss.online ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The majority of people don’t like to lead. It’s simply easier and more comfortable to follow. Less conflict. Less confrontation. Less stress.

      Leading requires initiative, the capacity to be confrontational, to step outside the box. It’s rather opposite of what is known as the bandwagon effect. Most people cannot do any of that without feeling extremely self conscious or anxious. Or, without being obnoxious and off-putting. You not only have to be able to function separate, you have to do it without annoying the fuck out of those around you.

      Effective leadership also requires the capacity for some degree of speed. Some problems cannot wait for debate due to safety.

      The bandwagon effect is a fun bit of study. What’s even better is the majority of people believe it doesn’t hold sway over them when the data shows that it absolutely does, something like 70-80%. It’s why, in part, so much money is thrown at AI and bots on social media, especially pre elections.

      This appears to be a long but solid definition of it, with some easy bullet points: researchprospect.com/what-is-the-bandwagon-effect…

      There’s also a reverse bandwagon effect, for, you know, the cool people.

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  • DioramaOfShit@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Dibs on ribs

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    • corbindallas@fedinsfw.app ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Rfk has peen dibs

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• ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Only 20 years? My techguyforum screen name is damn near 30 years old at this point. (Don’t go there. Site is ruined trash, now. ) I been giving info to help with shit since even before then. Internet has my fingerprints in it since the early 90’s.

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• brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  …Could it be because those builders are paying Elon Musk for a blue checkmark on Twitter?

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  • A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Don’t discount the message though. After all we’re interacting with a screenshot of a tweet. It doesn’t make me a fan of this guy.

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  • Brahvim@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Steal the idea. Paraphrase it and screenshot it as your own! Victorii /s

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  • Famko@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I think other people can buy the blue checkmark for you on twitter, though my information may be faulty.

    In any case, just cause he gave money to that ass wipe Elon doesn’t mean that his analogy isn’t valid, just a little “leopards ate my face” kinda deal.

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    • brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Well, he tweets many times a day, many posts like this just farming for engagement:

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      …Feels pretty Tech Bro to me. I don’t think this is a case of “I have no choice but to use Twitter.”

      In fact, I’d wager some of those posts are automated.

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    • Donkter@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I think twitter also might still give blue check marks to “important” people it’s just available for anyone to buy now

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  • ButteredBread@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    lol

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  • SaltySalamander@fedia.io ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You either do it, or someone else will do it and start impersonating you. People with any kind of public/online presence sorta have to unfortunately.

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• usernametbd@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Not to mention those same companies obsessed with AI are the ones who run the search engines that made finding all those tutorials harder for greed. They ruin search results with ads and easily gamed algorithms that they stopped trying to improve. All that made people more willing to let the AI find the answer.

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  • 4am@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It all makes sense when you realize that AI isn’t the product, control is.

    When everyone depends on cloud services, especially storage, because they can’t afford hard drives or RAM anymore. Do you think the average normie is going to “stand up for principles of privacy and freedom of computing” or are they gonna say “it is what it is” and buy a tablet with 8GB of RAM and an office suite in the cloud?

    Do you think these companies are above scanning everyone’s stuff to find out who is against them? Who is developing some great new idea? Who dissents the government?

    Do you think these companies are above editing all saved copies of a news article and replacing it with something AI generated that looks real enough to memory hole something? (Copies of things in the cloud are already de-duplicated)

    They don’t want us to be able to point out their flaws anymore. They want us to be submissive to them.

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    • usernametbd@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They’ve already broadcast their intentions to push cloud compute for home use. These data centers train AI - but chips are improving rapidly. Amazon and others have already stated they plan to use these for cloud compute services as they become obsolete for bleeding edge AI. Microsoft has a low local resource client to cloud version of Windows they are releasing. They want all compute to be subscription based and it will definitely lack any real privacy protections as long as they can keep corporate capture of congress.

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    • ButteredBread@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      that sounds a bit too distopian, maybe in some 20 years but reakly at this point anything can happen.

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  • plutopos@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I have indeed noticed Google (and Google-based search engines like Startpage) has got worse in the past months. Even DuckDuckGo is better know (which as a long time ddg user is wild)

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    • Chronographs@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Honestly ddg has also gotten worse (as it’s bing in a condom), it’s just that Google has shit itself even harder

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    • k0e3@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I started noticing ddg search with the “” operator is wonky. Also ecosia seems to have a lot of sponsored results?

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  • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    To be fair, Google has been fighting a war against SEO and spam basically since it was started.

    I don’t think they intentionally degraded their search engine. I think they just diverted resources away from fighting spam and SEO and instead dedicated those resources to AI stuff. Intentionally degrading their search results would require work. They’d have to convince their high-paid employees that for some reason they should make the results worse. But, just letting the stuff rot naturally as SEOs kept up their attacks, that’s free.

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  • lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’m at a point where I gladly pay for my search engine just to get good results.

    But one could argue we were always paying, with our data.

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• merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The library is still there. Admission is still free.

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  • Flower@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    while the library itself is covered in a thick layer of slop as the librarian can’t keep up anymore and the road signs pointing at the library are taken down

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  • grepe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    the library was run on donations and someone copied all the books and is selling a service that summarizes them ib a lot right in front of it. you can still go around and give your donation inside but most people don’t and the library is starting to fall apart. also the summaries kind of suck.

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• VelvetPinkOtter123@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  If you did it for free, what boss is replacing you?

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• mechoman444@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’ve seen this argument in one form or another for years, and my response has never changed:

  Either information on the internet is free for everyone, or it isn’t.

  You don’t get to publish information for the public to access and then turn around and say that some people are allowed to use it while others are not, especially if the distinction is based on whether someone might make money from it.

  You can’t have it both ways. You can’t claim information should be freely available and then try to restrict who can benefit from it.

  Pick one. Either the information is free, or it isn’t.

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  • trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Free as in beer, not speech.

    The open source community has licenses associated with its code. Just because one can access it doesn’t mean they can fucking sell it.

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    • mechoman444@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Ok. Fine. Sure.

      Not sure though what this has to do with llm companies making money. Since they write their own code and llms are trained on data… Like wikipedia.

      🤷

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• minorkeys@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The same people who abuse community resources (bulldoze public green spaces, kill rivers, pollute oceans, despoil lands, toxify the air, extinct animals etc.), do the exact same to information and the sources of it. They take for themselves and give nothing back. They cannot coexist with community or communal anything (which is why they hate community and socialism). They cannot give and will compulsively take. Their lives are why greed is considered a sin, insatiable and cruel, and it was wise to believe so.

  Never share anything of value with the world. Do not allow them to know value exists or they will come for it. Giving freely and openly has empowered those who advantage themselves, by stealing every idea that is shared. They are the enemy, they are the threat, their psychology is a hazard to the community.

  Share only with your communities and close those communities to these thieves. The only solution to private power is community power. We need to build back our communities and abandon everything possible that they control.

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  • Donkter@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s crazy that the tragedy of the commons is only a problem because the commons are also free for people to close up and start charging for.

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• gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  welcome to academic publishing, it has gone on for 20 years

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• terranoid@lemmy.cafe ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Finally someone said it. I honestly was wondering why no one was complaining about this… I’ve worked on some open source myself, licensed it GPL, and never intended for it to be used as training data.

  Doesn’t the GPL cover shit like this? There should be mass lawsuits hitting any AI that used open source software and didn’t just specifically use BSD projects or something.

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  • A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Doesn’t the GPL cover shit like this? There should be mass lawsuits

    I hope it’ll happen eventually.

    Currently the USA (and that’s where most of this shit comes from) is aggressively pro AI to the point of breaking the law with government support.

    BTW what OP says has happened to Linux (at large) through Google/Android, too. The GPL hasn’t stopped them but surely put some limits on their exploitation of FOSS

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  • AeonFelis@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If you train an LLM on GPL code, it should be illegal to sell that LLM and use it commercially without revealing ALL THE SOURCE you used and the source to regenerate that model.

    Also if that LLM is used to generate code - that code must also be GPL.

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    • terranoid@lemmy.cafe ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’d love to see lawsuits force Microsoft and Nvidia and OpenAI to open source everything they had AI touch 😁

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  • Chronographs@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yeah I mean they train ai on commercially copyrighted stuff like books that they straight up pirate so if that doesn’t stop them the open source community certainly won’t

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  • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    never intended for it to be used as training data.

    You could have chosen a different license than the GPL.

    Doesn’t the GPL cover shit like this?

    No. Didn’t you read the license you used?

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• drmoose@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’m actually a guy who did this. 50k reputation on stack overflow, several tech blogs, reddit contributions and you know what? I love that LLMs are “stealing” my content. Most of us just do it for the love of the game and genuine belief that free information is good for the society. The only down side is not getting attribution credit which sucks but nothing compared to the benefits we all get.

  Also no one’s capable of creating this is being replaced by an LLM. Let’s be clear here. If you are capable of educating complex tech subjects you are already in the top 10% of the market.

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  • chloroken@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Everyone look at this corporate apologist and laugh.

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    • drmoose@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Why corporate? Open source LLMs also use this data (even more so) and imo will eventually win over current market loss leaders.

      If you truly believe information should be free and accessible to all then LLMs - which are just intelligent interface to our collective compressed information - are a good thing.

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  • psx_crab@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Being told and being replace is kinda different. At least being replace mean the replacement already happened, being told mean you have to deal with the looming threat of being replaced and constantly bugged by the stupidity of your employer.

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    • drmoose@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah the sword of damocles is real here but I think a lot of capable people are under selling themselves and could easily find fit when let go.

      The real risk is allowing billionaires to monopolize the market and seems like people are conflating this with LLMs as a technology. It’s ludites all over again.

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• desmosthenes@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  it’s called a walled garden for a reason.

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• Formfiller@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Welcome to the rodeo guy who is just now becoming aware of the system of oppression we call capitalism but is a lot more like feudalism with racialized and genders castes that live under.

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• i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  And the people charging admission are also hemorrhaging money.

  Weird fucking timeline.

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  • grrgyle@slrpnk.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I think their hope is if they pull it off they won’t need money anymore, because they’ll have destroyed the last lever of power the working class still have: the ability to withhold their labour. LLMs are trying to turn labour into just another tool (that you rent).

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• DigDoug@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The worst part (maybe the second worst after all the slop poisoning the internet nowadays) is the proof that copyright law is only for us poors.

  I download a copyrighted work and get a strongly worded letter from my ISP, or worse. They download all the copyrighted works; scrape the data from them; and charge for the ability to use said data to make slop, and get fabulously wealthy from it.

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  • SaltySalamander@fedia.io ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I download a copyrighted work and get a strongly worded letter from my ISP

    So stop downloading from public trackers. Get into private trackers.

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    • DigDoug@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I meant it more as a general thing - I should have said “we” instead.

      They actually seem pretty chill about it here in New Zealand. My dad and I had one ISP notice in the early 2000s, but I’ve downloaded absolutely shitloads since and we haven’t heard a peep.

      Nowadays I tend to use Usenet anyway; the speed of even the healthiest torrents pales in comparison.

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• infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Tech guy discovered enclosure.

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• Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Its not weird, but its wrong and should be illegal

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• Felis_Catus_Domesticus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  anyone who starts sentence with “bro” can f-off

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• clifmo@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Turns out distilling all the world’s information into a friendly interface is worth something

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  • Sunforged@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Search engines did that decades ago. AI presents it’s results as fact without the ability to provide a source, it’s an aggressively unfriendly interface.

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    • grrgyle@slrpnk.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s presented as friendly but yeah it’s actually incredibly hostile and predatory

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    • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Oh, they provide sources. At least, some of them do. It’s just that the sources don’t always back them up. It’s going to gin up sources whether it’s correct or not, because that’s what it’s programmed to do.

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    • clifmo@programming.dev ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Oh yea 25 years ago search engines were amazing

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    • PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s not the same. The ability to converse about a topic is pretty dope. Compared to ring to find relevant information about a very unique case for instance.

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• protist@retrofed.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I mean, they’re saying you’re replaceable, but that’s just a front for layoffs. Executive leadership doesn’t care about having a functioning organization. They can easily find a job somewhere else once they demonstrate short term profits, even if it’s at the expense of the company’s long-term health

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  • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    nobody wants to work these days!

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• PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It’s just normal capitalism.

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• db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The only true answer to genai is to make all models created by skimming the commons, mandatory open weight and open sourced. If you try to buff copyrights to defeat genai, it’s going to boomerang right back in your face

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• LemmyBruceLeeMarvin@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Something something capitalist something extracting wealth from other people’s labour…

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• tracyspcy@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  on Reddit it would be something like r/AccidentalAlienation

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• baller_w@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Socialize it.

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• zarkanian@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Quite a bit more than mildly infuriating.

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