I think this is the story of humanity. It ainât getting better until we massacre the inhumanly rich, eat Thier families while the world watches, and force evil socialism on shared intellectual property
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I think this is the story of humanity. It ainât getting better until we massacre the inhumanly rich, eat Thier families while the world watches, and force evil socialism on shared intellectual property
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Styrofoam and diesel are great for toppling governments. Douse the rich!
Donât actually eat anyone, cannabalism is likely to lead to prion folding diseases. Which is a terrible way to die.
See, hereâs the thing. Everybody loves to point at the guilitine, and the French Revolution. They love to say âLets do what they did!â
Hereâs the problem. Nobody talks about what came next.
Because what happened was, you had one group of rich assholes who controlled everything, and treated everybody else like shit. So the French chopped off their heads, and got rid of these rich assholes.
And what happened next? Well, a lot of infighting, but the end result was instead of having a group of rich assholes controlling everyone, you instead had a different group of not rich assholes controlling everyone, who thengot rich from it. And nothing changed.
I think, before we go around killing everyone, we need a plan. We need to figure out why humans are so quick to all clump up as one submissive blob, who follows the will of whoever claims to have power.
Instead of 1 president, or 1 dictator, I think we should instead have a panel of 1 million people. Tens of thousands of people from every state. Anyone can apply, and if need be, your individual county can run sn election if youâre not running unopposed.
This I think would cut down tremendously on corruption in our government. Because a company couldnât just bribe 1 president. Theyâd need to bribe 1 million people.
And the comittee would always represent the people, because they ARE the people. Most people would know at least 1 committee member in their neighborhood.
THEN you can kill all the rich assholes.
Wealth cap or bust. No one should ever be able to make 1 billion. I think there should be forced divestments after 1 bil and youâre barred from the stock market for 5 years. Plusâđ», if you use any money to build anything whether it be a building or a business, said billionaire is not allowed to earn more than a total of 1 million/yr.
The French Revolution was succesful. What the king & nobles did before that was much, much worse.
It just wasnât a socialist revolution. The bourgeoisie won.
It also didnât happen just like that, it took 10 years - Wikipedia calls it âa period of political and societal changeâ. I think itâs fair to say it wasnât completely unplanned.
There needs to be a little killing first, to set the tone. I like your ideas, but there is no way in this world or any other that the rich assholes would allow you to assemble a committee like that. They would literally carpet bomb it before allowing it.
The majority of people donât like to lead. Itâs simply easier and more comfortable to follow. Less conflict. Less confrontation. Less stress.
Leading requires initiative, the capacity to be confrontational, to step outside the box. Itâs rather opposite of what is known as the bandwagon effect. Most people cannot do any of that without feeling extremely self conscious or anxious. Or, without being obnoxious and off-putting. You not only have to be able to function separate, you have to do it without annoying the fuck out of those around you.
Effective leadership also requires the capacity for some degree of speed. Some problems cannot wait for debate due to safety.
The bandwagon effect is a fun bit of study. Whatâs even better is the majority of people believe it doesnât hold sway over them when the data shows that it absolutely does, something like 70-80%. Itâs why, in part, so much money is thrown at AI and bots on social media, especially pre elections.
This appears to be a long but solid definition of it, with some easy bullet points: researchprospect.com/what-is-the-bandwagon-effectâŠ
Thereâs also a reverse bandwagon effect, for, you know, the cool people.
Nobody talks about what came next.
Most of the monarchies and aristocrats in Europe fell / lost all real power / reformed themselves to avoid losing their heads?
Humanity actually successfully implemented a decentralized egalitarian socialist society without dictatorships in 1936 Spain, which bore out that Anarchist political theory is the most viable long-term solution we have to achieving freedom for all while also ensuring everyone gets what they need for free.
Itâs like you invented democracy with extra sauce đđđ»đđ»đđ»
We need to figure out why humans are so quick to all clump up as one submissive blob, who follows the will of whoever claims to have power.
because people like when decisions are made for them, and they donât have to think to make those decisions for themselves.
Dibs on ribs
Rfk has peen dibs
That is how capitalism works.
The American Weather Service provided weather updates for free, but a company came along and just started copying what the weather service posted ⊠then sued the Weather Service for publicly posting the weather because the government is not allowed to provide a service for free that a company can charge for.
Insanity.
Government issues the business licenses. Seems like someone needs to be reminded who has who by the balls.
In case anyone didnât know the answer is business as in business has the government by the balls.
Yup. Government has businesses by the balls.
But corruption exists.
Therefore the goverment only ever really pulls small businesses and normal people by the balls, while the big businesses and uber rich (money heavyweights) get to pull the government by the tongue. Sometimes even the balls as well.
Just as Supply Side Jesus intended.
State governments issue business licenses. This is how we will kill Citizenâs United.
Same thing happened in Germany where the DWD collects and publishes weather data. Wetter.de came along and sued them, forcing them to hide features in their app (developed and paid for by tax money) behind a paywall. That was later overturned, but I still refuse to use their site
Yes! Exact same here. Its so dumb it sounds made up. A random company comes along and just gets to sell what was once free.
âŠCould it be because those builders are paying Elon Musk for a blue checkmark on Twitter?
I think other people can buy the blue checkmark for you on twitter, though my information may be faulty.
In any case, just cause he gave money to that ass wipe Elon doesnât mean that his analogy isnât valid, just a little âleopards ate my faceâ kinda deal.
Well, he tweets many times a day, many posts like this just farming for engagement:
âŠFeels pretty Tech Bro to me. I donât think this is a case of âI have no choice but to use Twitter.â
In fact, Iâd wager some of those posts are automated.
I think twitter also might still give blue check marks to âimportantâ people itâs just available for anyone to buy now
Steal the idea. Paraphrase it and screenshot it as your own! Victorii /s
Donât discount the message though. After all weâre interacting with a screenshot of a tweet. It doesnât make me a fan of this guy.
The messenger matters.
Would you care about anything I was saying if I was a bot?
Or a Musk/Theil bootlicker?
Especially on this topic. Nodding your heads about the loss of the internet to engagement chum on Twitter is the opposite of poetic.
Iâm surprised that nobody else has mentioned how far off the 20 year estimate is.
Remember when the âverifiedâ checkmark meant you were verified to be who you claim to be? I do
lol
You either do it, or someone else will do it and start impersonating you. People with any kind of public/online presence sorta have to unfortunately.
they can still impersonate you. the checkmark has lost its meaning when everybody has it.
Not to mention those same companies obsessed with AI are the ones who run the search engines that made finding all those tutorials harder for greed. They ruin search results with ads and easily gamed algorithms that they stopped trying to improve. All that made people more willing to let the AI find the answer.
It all makes sense when you realize that AI isnât the product, control is.
When everyone depends on cloud services, especially storage, because they canât afford hard drives or RAM anymore. Do you think the average normie is going to âstand up for principles of privacy and freedom of computingâ or are they gonna say âit is what it isâ and buy a tablet with 8GB of RAM and an office suite in the cloud?
Do you think these companies are above scanning everyoneâs stuff to find out who is against them? Who is developing some great new idea? Who dissents the government?
Do you think these companies are above editing all saved copies of a news article and replacing it with something AI generated that looks real enough to memory hole something? (Copies of things in the cloud are already de-duplicated)
They donât want us to be able to point out their flaws anymore. They want us to be submissive to them.
Theyâve already broadcast their intentions to push cloud compute for home use. These data centers train AI - but chips are improving rapidly. Amazon and others have already stated they plan to use these for cloud compute services as they become obsolete for bleeding edge AI. Microsoft has a low local resource client to cloud version of Windows they are releasing. They want all compute to be subscription based and it will definitely lack any real privacy protections as long as they can keep corporate capture of congress.
that sounds a bit too distopian, maybe in some 20 years but reakly at this point anything can happen.
I have indeed noticed Google (and Google-based search engines like Startpage) has got worse in the past months. Even DuckDuckGo is better know (which as a long time ddg user is wild)
Honestly ddg has also gotten worse (as itâs bing in a condom), itâs just that Google has shit itself even harder
I started noticing ddg search with the ââ operator is wonky. Also ecosia seems to have a lot of sponsored results?
To be fair, Google has been fighting a war against SEO and spam basically since it was started.
I donât think they intentionally degraded their search engine. I think they just diverted resources away from fighting spam and SEO and instead dedicated those resources to AI stuff. Intentionally degrading their search results would require work. Theyâd have to convince their high-paid employees that for some reason they should make the results worse. But, just letting the stuff rot naturally as SEOs kept up their attacks, thatâs free.
Iâm at a point where I gladly pay for my search engine just to get good results.
But one could argue we were always paying, with our data.
There is a license that says that all derivatives must also be open source. But also AI companies donât care about the law, they stole all there data, engage in insider trading, circular trading, and generating all manner of illegal content, they donât give a fuck. And the US government is doing anything to hold them accountable, infact the president is getting in on it.
they stole all there data
Obviously fuck the capitalists and AI scammers. But reading and learning from a library, then writing and selling your own book based on that is NOT stealing. Itâs the wrong argument.
The answer obviously is to keep the actual source material and libraries and book archives open and just run open source AI models at home. You can run smaller versions on a solar powered PC no problem.
The issue with trying to make âAI is just stolenâ happen is that it will make open source AI models illegal. AI companies would love that because they can afford to license and pay or work around or obscure or whatever. The âintellectual propertyâ argument is always a disgusting capitalist one. Knowledge is either free or nothing is.
Library implies consent that was not there and access to the public that was not there.
Except these people are turning around and burningdown the libraries once theyâve read all the books.
Large amounts of data were pirated, which is apparently legal if youâre training an AI. Source: Meta lawsuit
But reading and learning from a library, then writing and selling your own book based on that is NOT stealing.
It could be argued that these AIs are not actually learning but collecting and rearranging. Thatâs still stealing in my book, especially if it happens on a massive industrial scale and by a megacorp instead of a person.
But reading and learning from a library, then writing and selling your own book based on that is NOT stealing. Itâs the wrong argument.
A powerful argument if one cannot tell the difference between a person and a product.
And the US government is doing anything
isnât doing anything
Yeah thatâs what I meant
And the US government is doing anything to hold them accountable
I think meant ânothingâ instead of âanythingâ?
Anyhow, yes, all this is very much the product of the current US admin.
No they stole it by torrenting through pirating sites: Meta lawsuit
Welcome to the world of scientific publishing, long before AI. Except authors even have to pay g free or creating âcontentâ, and reviewers are expected to work for free.
Hey, remember that time Aaron Swartz used public APIs and perfectly legal aggregation of information to compile scientific journals in a data set outside the paywall. And he was arrested, prosecuted, and threatened with life in prison until he (allegedly) killed himself?
Then his original and highly lucrative pet project, Reddit, was mutated into a propaganda factory by the Epstein Class, cannibalized by the Investor Class, and gutted for AI slop by the Tech Sector?
At least, academic papers give credits to the author⊠Or to the authorâs boss
I donât even know why they charge such high prices.
I donât work in academia but I am curious about thing and look up papers all the time.
I have never bought a single one at those ridiculous prices. But if they were reasonable like $1-$3 or something I probably would have an di imagine a lot of people would have.
You make more if 100 people buy a $1 item than 3 people buying a $30 item and the world benefits more.
Once you understand that AI is limited to the questionerâs ability to properly elucidate what they need to know youâll have several more botched concrete stair resurfacings.
Thanks Gemini, you self-contradicting potato
Gemini: âyes, an important distinction - you have made the critical observation that I am useless!â
20 years? More like somewhere between 30 to 40 if we count early WWW and the Gopher+Usenet that came before it. The GPL isnât quite that old, but the spirit behind it sure is.
I hadnât considered AI being a paywall around the whole WWW but now that you mention it, it kind of looks that way. Iâve opined elsewhere that social media companies (e.g. Facebook) are building walled-gardens to keep eyeballs and attention-spans locked on their brand of reality. This would just be another avenue of attack in that strategy.
I remember frequenting MOOs and IRC, and downloading guitar tabs and chords off OLGA using clients in DOS back in the early 90s. Over 30 years ago. The Internet today is unrecognizable by comparison.
The library is still there. Admission is still free.
while the library itself is covered in a thick layer of slop as the librarian canât keep up anymore and the road signs pointing at the library are taken down
the library was run on donations and someone copied all the books and is selling a service that summarizes them ib a lot right in front of it. you can still go around and give your donation inside but most people donât and the library is starting to fall apart. also the summaries kind of suck.
Only 20 years? My techguyforum screen name is damn near 30 years old at this point. (Donât go there. Site is ruined trash, now. ) I been giving info to help with shit since even before then. Internet has my fingerprints in it since the early 90âs.
Finally someone said it. I honestly was wondering why no one was complaining about this⊠Iâve worked on some open source myself, licensed it GPL, and never intended for it to be used as training data.
Doesnât the GPL cover shit like this? There should be mass lawsuits hitting any AI that used open source software and didnât just specifically use BSD projects or something.
itâs called a walled garden for a reason.
They are also trying to take away these free resources by pushing laws to make ID identification mandatory to make money off of us.
The same people who abuse community resources (bulldoze public green spaces, kill rivers, pollute oceans, despoil lands, toxify the air, extinct animals etc.), do the exact same to information and the sources of it. They take for themselves and give nothing back. They cannot coexist with community or communal anything (which is why they hate community and socialism). They cannot give and will compulsively take. Their lives are why greed is considered a sin, insatiable and cruel, and it was wise to believe so.
Never share anything of value with the world. Do not allow them to know value exists or they will come for it. Giving freely and openly has empowered those who advantage themselves, by stealing every idea that is shared. They are the enemy, they are the threat, their psychology is a hazard to the community.
Share only with your communities and close those communities to these thieves. The only solution to private power is community power. We need to build back our communities and abandon everything possible that they control.
And the people charging admission are also hemorrhaging money.
Weird fucking timeline.
Just further enshittification. Companies donât make new things or new technologies anymore. They just find new ways to rent squat and extract fees.
The worst part (maybe the second worst after all the slop poisoning the internet nowadays) is the proof that copyright law is only for us poors.
I download a copyrighted work and get a strongly worded letter from my ISP, or worse. They download all the copyrighted works; scrape the data from them; and charge for the ability to use said data to make slop, and get fabulously wealthy from it.
welcome to academic publishing, it has gone on for 20 years
Its not weird, but its wrong and should be illegal
Turns out distilling all the worldâs information into a friendly interface is worth something
Iâve seen this argument in one form or another for years, and my response has never changed:
Either information on the internet is free for everyone, or it isnât.
You donât get to publish information for the public to access and then turn around and say that some people are allowed to use it while others are not, especially if the distinction is based on whether someone might make money from it.
You canât have it both ways. You canât claim information should be freely available and then try to restrict who can benefit from it.
Pick one. Either the information is free, or it isnât.
Iâm actually a guy who did this. 50k reputation on stack overflow, several tech blogs, reddit contributions and you know what? I love that LLMs are âstealingâ my content. Most of us just do it for the love of the game and genuine belief that free information is good for the society. The only down side is not getting attribution credit which sucks but nothing compared to the benefits we all get.
Also no oneâs capable of creating this is being replaced by an LLM. Letâs be clear here. If you are capable of educating complex tech subjects you are already in the top 10% of the market.
The only true answer to genai is to make all models created by skimming the commons, mandatory open weight and open sourced. If you try to buff copyrights to defeat genai, itâs going to boomerang right back in your face
I mean, theyâre saying youâre replaceable, but thatâs just a front for layoffs. Executive leadership doesnât care about having a functioning organization. They can easily find a job somewhere else once they demonstrate short term profits, even if itâs at the expense of the companyâs long-term health
The internet will never be open again because of this.
This is not new for compagnies to make money on the internet using the work and information others made without compensation for the community
Google search or stackoverfow did it long before LLMs, itâs just that the price is different, you pay with your attention spans instead of money
Iâm pretty sure that weâll have freely accessible LLMs with ads baked in a way you canât even see them at first glance
Whatâs new with LLMs is that the information source is hidden, no credit is attributed for people that contribute to the community anymore
Welcome to the rodeo guy who is just now becoming aware of the system of oppression we call capitalism but is a lot more like feudalism with racialized and genders castes that live under.
Itâs just normal capitalism.
Apparently you had to sign an agreement that you will not use internet for business/commercial purposes in the NSFNET days.
dohpaz42@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Coincidentally, OOP just explained academic publishing to a T.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
A parasite can take different shapes but only one form.
dumnezero@piefed.social âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
clenches fist
ferrule@sh.itjust.works âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Sort of. Unless you go to a private university taxes go to the public schools to fun facilities and wages for the educators. While you may pay tuition, the overall cost of that education and the services needed for one to do research doesnât come wholely out of your pocket.
Now I agree you should be compensated more, as someone who tried to get published academically and has filed patents I can see why there is a split of compensation.
Deckname@feddit.org âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Wdym? Scientists usually donât get paid to publish. The person you replied to, probably meant academic publishing as in:
Where is the split of compensation? For patents there is, but for academic publishing usually not.
idegenszavak@sh.itjust.works âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
You are missing the point, itâs not about education, but publishing. Read about Elsevier, and how Aaron Swartz died