average red state university

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• gigastasio@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Never, ever try and engage these people on their terms, for example, by trying to “challenge” them with counter arguments. They already have a whole script of replies ready for anything like that, designed to drag you down to his level of bad-faith bickering.

  Instead, simply call out to their face what they actually are. These are bad-faith actors there for the sole purpose of undermining social cohesion by creating a false dichotomy between science and religion. They are not the only reason we are so divided but they are a large one. Tell them that. Don’t let them respond. Don’t give them questions to answer. Just keep pressing, stating what they are, to them, and to everyone who’s stopping to listen. Humiliate them by presenting them to the public as the cancer to society that they are.

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  • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    In this particular case, he has no audience except a banana and a time traveler, so you could also just ignore him. Nothing worse for him than a day of nothing happening.

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    • gigastasio@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Oh I can think of lots worse.

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    • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You can tell they’re a time traveller because of the Mark V time machine in front of them.

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  • backalleycoyote@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    About 25yrs ago we had a flurry of these types invade. So we pulled some strings, got permission, and started having local bands play the main spot where they wanted to preach during the busy part of the day. Drown them out. The best was our local death metal band where the guitarist dressed up like a priest in a gimp mask and the singer wore a prison jumpsuit and nylons over his face. They condemned it but left. Also, mid-day death metal in the center of campus is something to behold.

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  • mechoman444@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ya. That doesn’t work either. What does work is doing the exact same thing they do. Get a sign write on it “Christianity is bullshit. Prove me wrong” and stand there.

    Don’t look at him, don’t engage. When he does finally say something tell him that he’s oppressing your beliefs and he deserves to burn in everlasting hellfire…

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  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is pretty much prime territory for the same methods Kirk used for “debate”.

    Gish gallop, butwhatabout, moving gailposts, exhausting the opponent with bs, etc.

    They’re all the same, they’re not there for any honest conversation. There is absolutely no way to “win” with them because no matter what objective and truthful information you offer it will be rejected or you’ll be asked to “prove” something that cannot be done in any manner acceptable to the asker.

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    • abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Not only that but both of them, Kirk and WBC, were experienced. Not at being good debators but at shutting down people who tried to prove them wrong. Even if they were wrong. They had months if not years built around defending a flawed view and shutting down naysayers. They regularly practiced all their tactics so most of the people they debated (regular students who had an opinion) weren’t ready for their tactics. You don’t have to outsmart your opponent or be correct, you just have to trip them up and make them publicly look foolish. These guys travel the country ragebaiting and begging people to call them out daily, they know how to dodge and redirect and speak over.

      Once you stoop to their level, they beat you with experience. It doesn’t make them right.

      Also I’m pretty sure half of WBCs old tactic was saying stuff that would get them punched and then suing.

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    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They also are going in skilled at public debate and picking fights with the unskilled. They’re media trained, and you probably aren’t. They get to cut the video and decide if they post it. They’re fighting dirty, but they’re doing it in a game they rigged before the first fight.

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  • Diurnambule@jlai.lu ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Next time I bring you with me.

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Never, ever try and engage these people on their terms

    Instead, simply call out to their face what they actually are.

    Heckling can work when you’ve got a crowd on your side. But when it’s just you with your paper sign shouting slurs, you end up looking like the asshole instead of the folks you’re jeering.

    At some point, you have to engage with the premise. Or, at least, put forward your own beliefs and positions. If it’s just a contest of vibes and mogging, the person with the professional experience in those fields is going to win.

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    • nsrxn@mstdn.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I like to sing "the preacher and the slave" to them

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    creating a false dichotomy between science and religion

    Was with you until this part. There’s nothing false about that dichotomy.

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    • tetris11@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Plenty of religious scientists. The more you lesrn, the greater you are aware of how much is uncertain. You can still believe in a God whilst respecting the scientific method of reasoning

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  • Nalivai@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You can’t call them out either, they’re prepared for that probably even more. You debating them, you calling them names, you doing anything with them gives them what they want - attention and footage for their stupid youtube channels.
    The only thing they’re afraid of is if you ignore them. The only footage that makes them look actually bad and which they can’t cut to make themselves look good is them sitting in the corner with their silly little bait bullshit, being ignored by society.

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  • brbposting@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Look for their partner nearby holding a video camera as it may be a lawsuit scheme.

    Start recording, say the worst things possible, pray someone punches you.

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  • WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You’re right. They can’t have a response when you say big fancy words to them that mean actual things. They’ll be stumped.

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• Calfpupa@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Someones trying to hookup with your socialist boyfriend

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  • Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    our boyfriend

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  • VoteNixon2016@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s me. Dump your socialist boyfriend so I can be his rebound relationship

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• FreddiesLantern@leminal.space ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “On second thought let’s not go to the United States. ‘t’is a silly place.”

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  • Soulg@ani.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yes we are the only country on earth with religious fundamentalists

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    • FreddiesLantern@leminal.space ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Oh absolutely not, but the USA is without a doubt the silliest one at that.

      In most countries political figures are boring by default. Maybe a few outliers but all in all blander than oatmeal with water instead of milk.

      Do I even need to start describing the USA?

      You guys have fucking wrestling in front of the White House that’s being wrecked to build a ginormous ballroom on top of a “secret” bunker. I could go on for pages but I’m gonna end up in tldr read territory very quickly.

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    • Nalivai@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No, you’re not the only one. Do you think it makes you less so? Do you think it’s less silly place because there are others like that in the world?

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    • RattlerSix@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah but, we’re definitely the loudest

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    • xav@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Well compared to most European countries you are sure clear winners

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    • Jikiya@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The Vatican is #1, but we’re the only other “Western Democracy” that is having a major resurgence of fundies in power. There’s always been a problem, but never have they had so much sway. And we’re not better off for it.

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      i wont be so sure of that, most religious right wing country of all western countries, yes.

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• IntrovertTurtle@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m sorry… Is he saying that the Bible directly, as the first sentence of the first book, like, the very first thing the Bible says, is: “Evolution is a lie,” or, “prove me wrong”?

  I shouldn’t think too hard about it, but I am.

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  • _stranger_@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You’re arguing with a straw pigeon. There’s no logic to convince that person. You could put them in a time machine and walk them through the evolution of life and they still wouldn’t change their mind.

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    • voxthefox@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They would just blame their eyes for lying to them.

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  • Rhaedas@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Not a believer, but I recently learned that a correct reading of the original Hebrew doesn't say he created everything. He created the waters and the earth from the void that was already there.

    Back to the sign. Dude is making the claim; he has to support it. Evolution is the most proven theory we have, yet it has been falsified over and over. He'd first have to understand the basics of evolutionary theory, which I guarantee he doesn't know; he wouldn't be there if he did.

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    • FUCKING_CUNO@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Evolution is the most proven theory we have, yet it has been falsified over and over.

      Is this a typo? A theory need only be proven wrong once to nullify it as a theory and so far as I’m aware that hasn’t happened.

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    • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I mean, christianity goes back to some water god on the local hill with his wife.

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    • TaterTot@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Evolution is the most proven theory we have, it has been tested over and over.

      I’ll see you Theory of Evolution and raise you the Theory of Gravity.

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• HikingVet@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Is the templar, banana and lighting McQueen toy part of his argument or are those people goofing on him?

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  • wjrii@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Having attended several red state universities, I chose to take it as a statement that alongside the ubiquitous plaza preachers, who are never affiliated with the school and are generally no one’s favorite campus characters, there’s also plenty of standard college silliness and shenanigans. Apart from the big blue cities, the college towns of the south are generally the most educated and forward thinking enclaves of the red states, hence the huge pressure campaigns from their governors to being the schools themselves to heel.

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  • EyIchFragDochNur@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Proof that we still monkey

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    • EyIchFragDochNur@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Tho not sure if proving him wrong or right

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    • Una@europe.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      We are just monkeys with main character syndrome.

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• Diddlydee@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s literally ridiculously easy to prove him wrong, but you know he won’t accept your numerous indisputable proofs, not just because he’s religious, but because he’s a cunt.

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• samus12345@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Image

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• dan1101@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Ni!

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  • Bahnd@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What sad times these are.

    When ruffians can go around saying Ni allowed to old women.

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    • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Could you bring us a shrubbery? A nice one, not too expensive

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• WanderingThoughts@europe.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You first. Prove religion is right.

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  • dansemacabreingalone@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Here are the arguments theyll be sure are winners:

    1

    says in old book. You not have old book.

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    DIE UNBELIEVER!

    3

    hello, morality officer? Yes, i have an unbeliever here.

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    • WanderingThoughts@europe.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      says in old book. You not have old book.

      The first encyclopedia is about as old as the Bible.

      So it’ll always end in answer 2 and 3.

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• MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Sounds like all the girls there (or at least the ones whoever printed the signs is interested in) are dating socialist guys?

  Wouldn’t need to print the signs otherwise… :P

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• technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  TBH I think Genesis 1:1 is much more about big bang denial than evolution.

  In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

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  • Pacattack57@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t think the Bible denies the Big Bang. It doesn’t say how he created the universe except that it took 7 days which is a mistranslation anyway. The Hebrew word used in the Torah for day is ‘yom’ which means era.

    In my opinion it’s very easy to reconcile the creation story with science.

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    • bitjunkie@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s even easier to not bother

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    • michaelmrose@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Only insofar as its too vague to mean anything

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  • QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I saw a big billboard that said “EVOLUTION IS A LIE GENESIS 1:1” with the ape evolving to man with a big ❌ over it and a phone number like 1-800-THE-TRUTH or something.

    god I absolutely love living in Florida 🙃

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    • bitjunkie@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The flip side of that is you can do bath salts and burn that shit and it probably won’t even make the local news

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  • lugal@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Do you think this person read the book he is quoting? Do you think he read like 20-30 verses? He just read the first and was like, well, close enough

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• Gork@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Why’s he on a footstool lol

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  • QuantumSparkles@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Short ☺️

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  • Firoaren@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Soapbox

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• BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  No, you prove that you’re right.

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• someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Tell him there’s a nobel prize for him if he can prove his view.

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• sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  there were signs all around my uni that said “dump your socialist boyfriend” for like NO reason 😭😭

  Are you on my campus or is this a common thing?

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Probably TPUSA

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• captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  My uni just had constant protests against quad gods

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Even the die-hard evangelicals on campus find these people embarrassing. They are just annoying losers.

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  • __Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Like, figure skaters?

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    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Colloquial term for unauthorized campus preachers

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      someone with large quads?

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• Wilco@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Once upon a time these batshit crazy politicians would be kicked out of US politics. The shift to ridiculous antics is purposeful … the media just accepts anything and everything these people do now.

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• rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I mean, he’s ape-brained still, he might have a point.

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  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    apes are quite intelligent, smooth like a koala’s brain.

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