We need to also test your ability to spend money. I swear people at self checkout act like they have never used a credit/debit card in there life.
What a great idea
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obsidianfoxxy7870@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
qupada@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
But also at regular checkouts.
You've just stood there motionless for the last 4 minutes, while someone else (potentially two people) scanned and bagged your purchases for you.
How is it that JUST NOW is the time you've decided is right to rummage through your bag for your wallet/purse, or check your banking app on your phone to see if the account actually has money in it? What were you doing for the rest of the time that was so vitally important?
I swear you can just about hear the birds flying around in their head sometimes.
popekingjoe@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There’s one bird in their head that’s half alive just bouncing around like the DVD logo.
thallamabond@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I worked in grocery stores when I was younger, not going to give away my age, but I will tell you that people wrote a lot more checks then.
The number of times I would get to the end of the transaction and tell somebody the total and they would slowly pull the checkbook out of their purse or pocket, then other questions, do you have a pen?,what’s today’s date?, Oops I wrote it out to the wrong store, I need to start over.
Kanda@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
I was doing my chess puzzles
Dicska@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I used to work at this kiosk which was inside a café. A customer wanted to pay from the inside, which can happen, but it’s rare. Since the reader was cable wired to the plug at the window, I had to bring it to where he was standing, but the cable wasn’t long enough. I pulled it out as much as I could, and waited for him to step forward and reach out with his card is his hand.
He was just standing there, waving his card at the machine from ~3-4 feet away. Like, I don’t know, at one point the cats reader would go “HEY, that card is Larry! Hi, Larry, how are you doing you old sonofabitch?”
thisbenzingring@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
i worked at a grocery store for a few years, you want to go after 7pm and all your wishes will come true
Chezus9247@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I love to go as early as possible. There are only old people around me and everything is calm and chill.
hydroxycotton@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
God forbid you need to check out (only one checkout lane open bc it’s so early) right behind one of those old people as they take about 65 centuries to pull exact change out of their asses
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m one of those old people. We know what’s up.
theparadox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Going early and going late often helps a lot with avoiding people who meander around blocking movement through the store.
Unfortunately, where I live is pretty heavily populated so the shelves are also a lot more empty if I go late or go too early.
thisbenzingring@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
make sure to speak to the manager or other person in charge when you find empty shelves
that will usually get some attention on it, the bread and dairy isles get beat up the most because they are usually only worked once a day unless someone complains (from my experience). The bread isle was my space when I moved on and it was almost impossible to keep filled because a bunch was vendor controlled but I always had store brand or generic stuff to fill the empty spaces before I’d leave for the day
someone was supposed to face it a few times a day but rarely did that happen unless the manager noticed or someone complained
polite customer complaints are powerful motivation in my experience
Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
people lack spacial awareness in the grocery store because a supermarket is an example of hostile design. it is intentionally disorienting and overloads you with information
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is the core problem, right here. At a minimum, people need training to learn what information to ignore so you can navigate the whole thing. Even if you know the store’s layout, you still need to have the will to ignore advertising and disregard extraneous information. Being a fast reader that can do fast mental math, also helps tremendously.
Traffic flow is another problem. Wegmans is the chief offender here, IMO, by putting impulse items in massive crates that crowd the store entrance+exit combo. It amazes me that it’s not a fire hazard, because it makes entering the store a nightmare. But most grocery stores have awful choke points in produce, dairy, meat, and other high-traffic areas. And of course those are the stores that have no small carts or hand-baskets, obligating customers to gum up the works with big metal baskets that are 70% empty.
A better idea is a store that doesn’t flood your eye sockets with information you don’t absolutely need. Get rid of the special displays, end-cap bullshit, and vendor promotional stuff. Then, normalize all the price tags and include unit cost per lb/oz/L/whatever to make bargain hunting a snap. Then, measure the fucking carts and make sure that two can get by everywhere in the store. Finally, pick a store layout and stick to it. </rant>
I want to say that Aldi is already doing all of the right things, but I could be wrong.
MintyFresh@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Aldi is by far my favorite. No nonsense, good prices. You’re in, you’re out. I appreciate they don’t play games.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lots of the time it is a fire hazard, but unless the Fire Marshall knows about it nothing gets done.
Fire code is usually checked when the building is built or if there’s a remodel, but otherwise most places can go a long, long time without a fire inspection unless there’s a specific complaint.
Reporting suspected safety issues to the Fire Marshall or Building Official is okay. You’re not being a Karen. Building and Fire codes are written in response to avoidable tragedies and should be followed.
rumba@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Fucking Weggels… [what we call it at work] Those stores are laid out like some kid did a drawing and used AI to make a store out of it.
I need some gluten free crackers for my sister in law for Christmas, are they in the cracker isle, the gluten free isle, the cheese section? Two stores near me don’t even place them in the same location.
Ohh glass bottles of water! Let’s recycle! They’re in bulk this week, next week they’re in the water isle, next week the fancy drink isle.
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lol, what? I have no issue navigating one. “Overloads you with information”, for fuck’s sake, they’re selling thousands of things.
ClamDrinker@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You really should look into it more (it’s not a secret if you look for it) because OP is right. Yes, they’re selling thousands of things BUT they’re also designing that space to make you take as long as possible to get through it. The answer for why that is, is simple. People buy more. You don’t have to have an “issue” navigating with it, because you just don’t notice if you spend 5 minutes more walking through the place. If it was so egregious to be noticed easily by people, they would stop coming and the benefit evaporates. So it’s a balance.
It’s not even that, grocery stores bake bread and spread bread smell since it perks people up and makes them more willing to spend, play specific music that calms and soothes you so you’ll walk slower. When you walk into a grocery store, you are walking through a highly specialized environment to maximize profits.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
The fucking floor displays in aisles that create chokepoints, and then aisles that have a bunch of popular shit all together creating a traffic jam. And don’t get me started on the lack of manned checkout lines anymore. Self-checkout is adequate as express lanes (i.e. limited number of items, limited produce, no alcohol) but sucks if you are buying more.
I try to go later in the evening to avoid the rush.
echodot@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
The most annoying thing about the self checkout is the need for you to put the entirety of your shopping on the time you weighing plate to make sure that I’m not buying my weekly shop but then sneaking a bottle of water past the system.
At least the IKEA self checkouts don’t do that. They let me buy my Pœlēøïng in peace
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
It’s almost a straight ass grid. How are you being disoriented lol
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Apparently it’s a conspiracy that they play pop music and offer fresh bread on premises.
These people are fucking idiots.
JATtho@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Just try find and track the price per kg of a good, and you are in deep shit. Its some times hidden, after several “get the app”, “two for one” just to find out the good is fucking more expensive if you refuse go though the privacy invasing hoops. What the fuck happended to “Limited time offer until this actually cheap batch is sold out!”
wabasso@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
This must be a regulation in Canada or something because $/100g is always on the bottom for the tag in small print.
FatVegan@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
It definitely plays into that. But just the other day i was shopping on a pretty busy day, and someone just left their child in the cart playing Fortnite in the middle of the store. Every one bumper cart pushed him out of their way, into someone else’s way. The kid didn’t even bother to look up. Some people just don’t give a shit.
GladiusB@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t think you realize who runs grocery stores. Most are just there because they have to be. They just throw it on the shelf and do what they are told.
OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The people stocking the shelves aren’t the ones designing the store layout, dummy.
Chaotic_Altruist@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
The stores are told on a corporate level that items need to be stocked on certain shelves and all essential items (milk, eggs, whatever) need to be buried in the back behind anything that’s on sale so customers have to look at everything before getting the basics.
Workers are people who follow orders and have to live with the chaos and help customers actually find the item they’re looking for even though the company as a whole is the problem
Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
it’s the who does the telling who creates the hostile design. the other things you’re describing, the dehumanization of the employees, are part of that design
arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I remember my days as a cashier when a guy in his 50s came up to buy something and was just like “I don’t know how this works my wife does the shopping”. I just scanned his items and gave him the total. Once again he couldn’t understand.
I had to give this grown man step by step instructions on making a purchase. Including how to use a card for payment.
It was wild. Even in a world where his wife does the shopping has he never ran into a gas station for a snack or gone to lunch on his own?
5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Even in a world where his wife does the shopping has he never ran into a gas station for a snack or gone to lunch on his own?
When you willfully reject responsibility, you don’t think clearly. Human capabilities like pattern recognition will be ignored.
rumba@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Could just also have been outright fear. Waaay too many people did this for computers in the 90’s and 00’s They hit something they don’t understand and they just freeze.
I had this nurse out of state. She had worked her entire life on paper. Xeroxed forms, filled them out, filed them. She was only in her 30’s. We were a big healthcare company, and she started working for us. We had a strong need to have things digitized. She had just convinced her coworker to key in all her forms after she took care of them, but the situation was untenable. Her boss called me, we need her to have her own computer so she can learn to use it. AOK, I configured and mailed one right away.
Boss calls me back, a week later. so and so can’t get on. OH OK!, what’s the error? You’ll need to talk to her. That’s fine can you put her on? Ohh um she just left. K, can you have her call me when she gets back and we’ll sort it out right away.
A day goes by, Two, Boss calls me, So and So still can’t get on. She never called me, yeah let me put her on the line.
[muffled argument]
[long silence]
soandso: meekest voice hello
me: HI! let’s get you on your laptop, this should only take a second.
soandso: mumbles
me: i missed that, what was that?
[long silence]
me: I hear you can’t get on your laptop, let’s fix that. Did your password just not work? where did you get stuck?
[long silence]
soandso: mumbles
me: I can’t hear you, if you speak up a touch, we’ll get you going
[long silence]
soandso: almost a whisper I don’t know what to do
Me: quiet and reserved, shooting for soothing ok, that’s not a problem, we’ll go through step by step until it works, do you have the laptop in front of you?
soandso: a whisper yes
Me: is it open?
soandso: a whisper no
Me: ok, lets open it up, do you see a button on the front, you’ll need to press that and pull up on the lid
[long silence]
soandso: light sobbing it’s still in the box
me: [internally: JESUS] ok, no proble, let’s get that box open
90 minutes, in an hour and half, we got the box open, got the laptop out, opened it up, too a 5 minute break to sob and then re-collect herself. found the power button (this took 10 minutes alone) it was on the upper right of the keyboard, she made me walk her up from control, to shift to enter and so on. It came on, it was already setup for their wifi, all she had to do was enter the username and password which i had emailed to her boss and asked her to write it on a sticky.
She finally was on the desktop
soandso: morose now what
me: We’re done, you’ll need to work with your boss now to find out how to do your actual work on it, but you should be able to get in now.
She lasted another week before they fired her.
She was an RN, she knew medical coding, and she drove, she was just terrified of learning new shit
peteypete420@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Working retail, or any job with the public, is wild.
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It might be a matter of just being under a rock for the last 10-20 years. Retail PoS systems have changed quite a bit in that time, but how you interface with gas pumps and dining, hasn’t changed at all.
Also: a lot of folks navigate digital systems by rote memorization and don’t read or think all that much. If you throw a new interface in front of them, just sit back and watch the bewilderment. Gotta give people like that time to learn it all.
arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Gas pumps no, grabbing a bag of chips from the gas station yes.
Sit down restaurants no, fast food restaurant yes*
*unless he only does drive thru
fizzle@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
My partner has normalised spatial awareness, and no situational awareness. I do my best to herd her around for the good of mankind but I can only do so much
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“15 items or less” lanes should charge extra for going over. 0-20 no charge, 21+ = $1 per extra item. That money goes towards whoever uses the register after you.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I’ll do one better.
Every extra item gets to be used against the customer to harm them.
The extra item is a can of tuna? Well, we’ll beat you with the tuna. The extra item is a hammer? Well, apologies my good man, but you know the rule.
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We shouldn’t jump straight into violence, so how about after 5 minutes we’re allowed to beat them with anything from their cart, our cart, or the complementary whiffle ball bat?
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I know the point of this thread is “ugh, people, man” and it’s not really meant to be engaged with deeper than that, but this is a really bad idea. It would be used to justify racism and ableism and would be a really unpleasant place to be in, too. Karen city, with no one to speak out about it.
Imagine that spike of anxiety at the check-out where you feel rushed because you’re at the front of the line, but instead of it being mostly in your head it’s now a real thing with real consequences. That’s my nightmare
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah. In fact, society is full of people who aren’t getting things 100% correct and we just have to be accepting of that. So i don’t like this post.
BUT: the fact that some people don’t get systems like this 100% all the time is proof that we should abolish car dependency and prioritise public safety precautions. [r/FuckCars]
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Agreed. Fuck cars and accept that other people aren’t going to be perfect and that that’s okay for them to be.
Viceversa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
society is full of people who aren’t getting things 100% correct
It’s fine, they will go to the usual stores.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I love how wanting people to be courteous and respectful of others is racist. I just want people to realize that they’re not alone in the world, and to please move your cart to the side of the goddamn aisle.
Soulg@ani.social 2 weeks ago
You’re completely missing the point. The idea can be fine on it’s face, but it will very quickly be used to otherize the undesirables.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Not what I’m fucking saying, but good try. Something being used to justify racism isn’t saying “this is on its face racism” its saying “racists will use the stringent, strict rules of this place to deny people of color access to this space”. All of these complaints are things that everyone does to some extent, you just get frustrated by them when you’re probably already frustrated.
People of color take up more space in white people’s heads, so they get more policing of their behavior even if it isn’t justified. A group of white boys being loud in a grocery store get head shakes and “boys will be boys” comments. A group of black boys being loud in a grocery store get followed around by security and white women clutching their purses.
Also fun how you sidestepped the ableism I brought up in that same sentence. Cause you know there’s no fucking argument there, huh?
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Can you read? He’s talking about enforcing a separate system, not simply “wanting people to be courteous”
Viceversa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It would be used to justify racism and ableism
But how?
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
People walking towards each other on the sidewalk usually subconsciously move out of each other’s ways. But there’s a hierarchy to these interactions that you’re probably only aware of if you’re at the bottom of it. White people tend to resist deferring to people of color. White women will rarely defer to anyone, expecting everyone to get it of their way. People of color will defer to white people, etc, etc.
If you break this subconscious hierarchy, people notice and assume you’re being rude or weird. Like if you move enough out of a white women’s way so that she, too, can move a little out of your way so that you both avoid each other (like equals would do), she might just walk into you. Or cuss you out for being rude. Or when I, a white man, defer to person of color, it trips them up for a second.
Since this hypothetical grocery store is nothing but “don’t break unspoken rules about rudeness or you get kicked out” it means that a black person would need to act meek and submissive in order to avoid scrutiny and thus be able to stay. Meaning the rules would be more stringent against people of color, thus less people of color would be accepted, thus justifying their usual exclusion.
Ableism is super easy. Since this hypothetical prioritizes convenience over people, if you’re slow at something or need more accommodation, you’d get kicked out.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Because the person in question might be an immigrant from a country where our supermarkets aren’t normal, or have a neurological disease you can’t see.
boogiebored@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Why is Lemmy like this
On an Idiocracy meme in shitposts someone was talking about not supporting eugenics.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Bruh, I got autism. This person decided to create a hypothetical grocery store instead of just saying “what’s the deal with people in grocery stores? Why are they always in my way?”
You make a hypothetical system as a funny observation, I’m going to shit on the hypothetical before anyone thinks its an actually good idea. Cause people do that shit. Like a whole lot. Check the person who’s trying to defend it as a good idea for an example
Demi Adejuyigbe made a parody of racism in his stand-up special “Demi Adejuyigbe is going to do one (1) back-flip” where he said all Latina women were 6’2" and people started parroting that shit back to him with no introspection on what the fuck they were saying.
Windex007@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oh my god I’m still stewing over that exact same post. It’s been like a week.
Oppopity@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Probably because Idiocracy unintentionally supported eugenics which is a really bad message.
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
It would be used to justify racism
The racial trait of being a moron in a grocery store hah
tetris11@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Imagine that spike of anxiety at the check-out where you feel rushed because you’re at the front of the line, but instead of it being mostly in your head it’s now a real thing with real consequences.
For a bit of fun, go visit a LIDL anywhere in Germany
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The Karens are part of the problem. They would 100% be in the shitty store after the first trip.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lol, you think Karens would be kept out of Karen heaven. Lmao, even.
smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Well, that place sure ain’t fucking Costco, that’s for damned sure.
Furbag@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The most oblivious people on earth gather at Costco, I swear.
GRODIE@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I miss social distancing
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Oh yes. It was great. People forced into distance. It’s all forgotten now.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t. Not for shopping. I had to wait outside in line, in the freezing cold for an hour, when my state decided to limit the number of customers allowed in at one time. Sucked balls. That didn’t last long, fortunately.
M137@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’ve almost never felt this, same with other comments here saying people can’t handle self checkout. Here in Sweden, at least in my city, people behave like you’d expect normal functional adults to behave. The only people who can be an annoyance are groups of kids/teenagers, and it’s very much not all of them either.
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Sounds like sweden might have a higher average IQ amongst their population
evol@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I live in the USA and it fine? Maybe its a walmart thing though I never go to walmart
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean it’s one banana, Michael.
Goun@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
How much could it cost?
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
Can we also make people who still pay for things at a store with a check go to the bad one? It was before the pan, but I couldn’t believe what I was seeing when a lady pulled out her checkbook in front of me at the checkout line. Gtf outta here.
flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
The USA continues to baffle me. You people still have paper checks? I haven’t seen one in at least 30 years in Europe (before that I was too little to care about such things, so I might never have seen one)
night_petal@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Do you want elitist grocery stores in LA? Because that’s how you get elitist grocery stores in LA.
slaacaa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Only if we build similar airports. I understand not everbody is a regular business traveler, but somehow the people in front of me always seem fascinated with the novel concept of flying and airport security, spending 10 minutes emptying the pockets and putting their stuff on the conveyor belt.
justsomeguy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Couldn’t think of a way to go out of business faster than having a competent-customers-only policy.
cpaq47@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They would go out of business immediately. Not enough customers.
Digit@lemmy.wtf 2 weeks ago
Why not build a separate one to train those without such?
I mean, if we’re doing a two tier thing, surely it’d at least be educational, to help the disadvantaged…
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Could we ban conversation between cart-holders? Two people shopping together, same cart same list, is fine. But anything beyond “Hi, nice to see you” between two carts clogs the aisles
absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 2 weeks ago
May I suggest a cart licence.
No license…you get a fucken carry bag, get your shit together!
sepiroth154@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
Also you must be able to read.
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
😂🫣 I feel attacked (neurodivergent)
LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
People seem to get tunnel vision in the grocery store and ignore the dozens of people trying to move around them. I weave in and out of those groups of people quickly and try to mumble “asshole” just loud enough they can hear me as i walk by.
pat277@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
That + worked any amount of customer service tbh
fennesz12@feddit.dk 2 weeks ago
I have started getting my groceries delivered. It is more expensive but worth the tradeoff to me. I’d rather cut down on my expensive habits, than spend half an hour dodging the public at rush hour, just to get it a bit cheaper.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
We should also seggregate society by tiers, every 15 IQ points up and down.
That’s skill baded match making!
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Put lines on the floor like m’roads
bstix@feddit.dk 2 weeks ago
I think it’s very neighborhood dependent.
The worst places are in rich neighborhoods where all the bored middle managers act like queens and kings of the grocery store.
MattTheProgrammer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What’s funny about this is that literally everyone will read this and think it means other people. No one thinks this way about themselves.
neomachino@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
A few weeks ago I was at the store picking up a few things for my sick kid. The very first aisle I go to as I’m trying to leave it a lady pulls into the aisle to look at whatever was on the end cap and puts her cart right in the middle of the aisle so I can’t get through with my cart. She saw me, we made eye contact for a second and I moved to the right of the aisle. I get to the end and she’s just standing there, not even looking at stuff just looking at me waiting for her to move. After about 20 seconds I can’t believe I have to say anything so I just go “excuse me” and she scoffs and says “you’re fine”. Another 10 seconds and I have to say it again, “excuse me I’m trying to get through” and I don’t know what was going through her head but she started freaking out, “go ahead and get through then I don’t know why you’re standing there”. So I do just that, I used my cart to push hers out of the way (very intentionally just enough to get through) and she lost it. I just proceeded on my way but even after I turned down the next asile I needed something from she was still yelling. This was like 10:30 at night, the store was almost empty so there was plently of room.
This was in an expensive grocery store in a pretty wealthy area. In contrast on my way home I stopped at the poppy shop around the corner because they have a drink I like for a good deal and there was someone who looked like they were emptying their pockets by the trash can but checking out a couple receipts before throwing them away who was blocking the door, I said excuse me when I was a few steps away and he apologized, told me to have a great night and held the door open for me.
rockerface@lemmy.cafe 2 weeks ago
Split queues for casual groceries and ranked competitive groceries
Agent641@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Speedrun ALDI Aby%
5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
TempoTom: Tesco Speedrun www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqxtqKzoINmKbhFoBz…
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
We really need self-service machine sections for those who are familiar with them and a beginner zone