The glory days of Epic Games is long gone and Tim Sweeney is a god damn moron.
definitely keep doing it then. Sweeney is consistently on the wrong side.
Epic boss Tim Sweeney thinks stores like Steam should stop labelling games as being made with AI: 'It makes no sense,' he says, because 'AI will be involved in nearly all future production
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_Nico198X_@europe.pub 2 weeks ago
OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Bingo! Valve is one hell of a monopoly, but they don’t totally fuck their customers. Sweeney has to answer to his shareholders. Those are the real customers; not you and me.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sweeney has to answer to his shareholders.
which is like 40% tencent.
dormedas@lemmy.dormedas.com 2 weeks ago
Both Valve and Epic are private companies and thus have a bit more of a say over what they do than public companies would. Sweeney actually just answers to himself, and I mean that pejoratively, otherwise he would have invested in EGS more to compete with Steam and focused more on Unreal Engine’s near-monopoly in the AAA space.
harmbugler@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
And if it’s as he says, and eventually all games get labeled that way, what’s his problem with that? Man just doesn’t want to compete.
newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Of course epic doesn’t understand empowering consumers with information. They don’t care about consumers. If they did, they’d maybe try adding some long requested features to their storefront.
OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sweeney’s customers are the shareholders. Not the gamers.
newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And that’s why he’ll fail.
pumpkin_spice@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I don’t want AI-generated assets in games at the expense of past, present, and future artists – artists that created all the source material in the first place and had it pirated by corporations who had enough money to ignore all existing IP law globally.
If Tim Sweeney is fine with pirating other’s art, he should be cool with people pirating his games.
billwashere@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah this is my take as well. AI can be a useful tool but putting people out of work so you can save money to create soulless art is just wrong.
audaxdreik@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Beyond just Tim Sweeney sounding dumb, there’s something truly evil and malicious about this framing.
His response was to a tweet that said: Steam and all digital marketplaces need to drop the “Made with AI” label. It doesn’t matter anymore. (Emphasis mine)
All well and good for that guy maybe, but why do they need to drop it and why does Tim Sweeney agree? Why is less information for the people that want to have it a necessity. And WHY does he feel compelled to comment on the behavior of his competitors in this way.
Fucking ghouls, the whole lot of them. I hope their AI creations destroy them and they suffer even a single moment of hubris.
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
People that are wrong this often and have the amount of power a CEO can exert over their company never ever realize they are wrong.
Because of this, they never experienced hubris or any kind of personal growth for that matter as long as it’s coming from this dumbfuck endstage capitalistic nightmare pipeline.
Velypso@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
They never experience hubris?
Tim Sweeney lives the very definition.
dan1101@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Agreed. There’s probably one big reason he doesn’t like this tag and that’s money. He probably realizes that people will visit the Steam page for a game to read reviews and discussions even if they might buy it on Epic.
Dude needs to mind his own business. He just wants his customers to be ignorant.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Tum Sweeney: “Please stop labeling all these turds, because everything will be made with shit at some point”
Xotic56@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
Ahit like this is why people only use that storefront for the free games. Completely out of touch.
apftwb@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sounds like Epic needs to try to make a online game store to compete with Steam, but filled with AI slopware.
Alaik@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Wait a minute… lol
als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Epic Games had glory days?
OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Unreal Tournament 2004 was a spectacular arena shooter back in the day before Battle Royale and MOBAs completely took over. Aged like fine wine too.
Yeah, I’m old.
Malix@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
ut99 > 2k4! But it is a close call, admittedly.
But also, epic released some absolute bangers in the 90’s, though admittedly as a publisher. eg. Castle of the Winds, One Must Fall 2097.
xvapx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
An it included linux native binaries! on the disk! It was absolutely fantastic, i played a lot in invasion servers for years and years.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Some people don’t like to hear it, but Fortnite is basically the new Unreal Tournament… in the same way it’s the new Rockband. For the latter, it’s easy: Epic acquired Rockband and Guitar Hero creator Harmonix, and Fortnite Festival is just the latest version of that code, only you can’t use instrument controllers with it, only gamepads (or, I suppose, keyboards or touch screens). So what Fortnite really is, it’s a free-to-play showcase of the Unreal Engine. It’s meant to show off what it can do and anyone can pick it up and play for free. Of course, it doesn’t have all the features of Unreal Tournament. It’s pretty much just battle royale with base building. But it’s the newest version of the same engine and it’s a shooter. Not the same thing… but your skills with older UT definitely translate. My nephew got me to play it. I’d never played it before, and he had spent money on the skins and the extra stuff, so he would go around making big purple explosions and he’d attract attention. Me, I was blown away by the detail, but I found the movement just as fluid as I remembered. Once I got the hang of weapons and their grades, I was scouting out the best pistols and SMGs I could find, and shadowing his character, and when he got into fights, I’d circle around, flank his enemies, and we’d win every fight. We won our first match and I don’t think we’ve lost a match. If we did, we finished in the top 5-10%. We have an unconventional playstyle, and it’s really all me. He plays like most Fortnite players, and they engage him as such. I play like a UT player… or, more accurately, I play it like a Deus Ex player (which was based on the same UE1 that UT99 was). I pick my shots and I shoot to kill. My nephew doesn’t think I’m playing the game right, but he’s having fun and he likes winning.
That said, I don’t love the game. I keep it on my Xbox, but I only play with him (or, I suppose, I’d be open to playing with anyone who asked). Even solo (I did that once on my iPhone when Fortnite came back to iOS this year or last) I still do alright for myself. Rarely take the top spot though. I need a decoy. But if there are 100 players, there’s no shame in being in the last 5 of them.
llii@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Godlike
That was fun!
fox2263@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Epic Megagames certainly did.
ripcord@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Jane of.the Jungle was fun
dukemirage@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Unreal 1 was a milestone, and Unreal Engine always has been very popular, now more than ever.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Gears of War was huge.
Unreal Tournament was pretty big.
Unreal engine is STILL used by half the video game industry.
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Objectively yes. From the 90s to the early ‘10s.
MrNesser@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Some of us want quality over mass produced crap stolen from others.
njm1314@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I like how he’s basically admitting that it’s a negative that would hurt the game sales. Because consumers don’t want it.
Lfrith@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Yep all those people not liking the idea of AI labels telling on themselves. For how much the AI bros talk up AI they are incredibly skittish about having to show what products were created using it. If it is so awesome why the fear?
Like an artist who traces their drawings, but doesn’t want to disclose it so more people will assume they free handed it.
muhyb@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
His expectations are just Unreal.
OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
mohab@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
This is like Jared Leto giving Daniel Day-Lewis acting advice 😂
Go back in your hole, Tim.
Strider@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think I just understood why UE5 sucks that much…
SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
You are the first person I have ever heard say UE5 sucks. Why?
Strider@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I really am? (no sarcasm here, honest surprise)
I thought it’s widespread knowledge that the “upgrade” to UE5 mainly brought a lot of performance loss compared to UE4 while having a signature blurry (or whatever) style which actually worsens the perceived quality.
For example expedition 33, while it’s style is awesome, it’s performance is absolutely not. It should run flawless on ps5 and on superior pcs but still doesn’t and the fps range is not in line with the hardware capabilities.
deltaspawn0040@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Worry about your own fucking storefront. There’s a lot of worrying that needs to be done.
DicJacobus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Steam lives rent free in Sweeney’s head. Forever.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
re: unreal - and unity - have stopped caring about devs and just chase new tech like nanite or new advertising shite.
godot ftw, they’ll never come back and say “hey we’re changing the contract now you gotta pay for every install” or “hey everything is AI now”.
myedition8@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If the developer puts shampoo in the game box, I’d probably want to know what before opening it.
SethTaylor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This sounds like “If we let men marry men, what’s next? Men marrying goats?”
frostysauce@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
His leap of logic sounds more like, “If we let men marry men what’s next? Cars eating babies?”
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
yeah dumbfuck that’s why we require ingredients what the hell is this man oh - oh
oh yeah
this adds up hold on
yeah: DAIN BRAMMAGE
Tattorack@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“Waaaahhhh! Waaaaahhhh! Why is Steam such a good service? That should be illegal! Tell them they should be worse!”
That’s all I’m hearing from these other corpos.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Bullshit translator: “I want to sell more AI made games, and being held accountable for using AI is gonna prevent me from bilking idiots to increase my fortunes by another billion or 5”
Quazatron@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Bingo.
als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Anyway, here’s a userscript/browser addon to make Steam’s AI warnings into a popup: github.com/seeeeew/aiwarningforsteam
skisnow@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Epic Boss Tim Sweeney can go fuck himself
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
If Sweeney can read this, I just want to tell him something. As someone who made games with ZZT as a kid and thought it was the best thing ever, you need to understand that no AI could make something like that, even if as a kid using copied and ‘inspired’ code from other games (and learned how to hexedit out the protections from other ZZT worlds so I can see how they worked) the cycle of just working through a rudimentary coding language was the reward in and of it self even if I never did finish the game I had in mind.
BTW, that game just involved an adventurer in a kingdom that is being troubled by… Hitler’s ghost, and your objective was to send his ass back to hell. I found a boss fight in another ZZT world that I thought was too cool not to reuse for that purpose, too. But sadly it was never finished.
That being said, we DO need ‘AI generated’ or ‘AI assisted’ as a tag. There isn’t anything weird or wrong with that. In online art spaces like deviant art you can tag stuff as ‘traditional’ art (meaning done on paper/canvas with whatever media you used, like pencils, various paints, etc) or digital or a combination thereof, like a hand drawn sketch that was completed and colored with photoshop. Why the fuck would anyone be against telling people what tools were used?
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Dipshit
Valmond@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
He doesn’t sound very epic to me.
termaxima@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
If that actually happens and the label becomes redundant, then we can talk about removing it.
Or better, inverting it to a “No AI” label for the people like me who will still care.
Tech bros always act like this : they don’t want to actually win by making a good solution. Instead they try to make you feel like their solution is inevitable and they have already won…
For a group of people who claim to be all about meritocracy and the “marketplace of ideas”, they sure like to short circuit those whenever possible…
peetabix@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Tim Sweeny should stfu.
REDACTED@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Epic is on track to becoming a google play store
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nothing epic about the guy or his company.
psx_crab@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Epic fail.
other_cat@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
Headlines where I have to remind myself not to downvote the OP for sharing news even when I despise the person being reported on.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
I remember seeing a joke once about what if Reddit added left votes and right votes with no explanation in addition to up votes and down votes.
MourningDove@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Man… the future is going to be BLEAK.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Are you kidding? I might actually stop buying new games and make it through my backlog now! This is great!
rtxn@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Valve revolutionized Linux gaming; Tim categorically rejects it.
Valve banned shitcoins and blockchain scams; Tim welcomed them with open arms.
Valve enforces honesty regarding AI slop; Tim wants to literally deceive people.
He’s like that annoying kid who didn’t get invited to a birthday party and vowed to always do the opposite of what the popular kid does. Petulant fucking overgrown child.
dukemirage@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
would’ve been nice if they banned gambling, too, but that’s part of their business model unfortunately.
psycotica0@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I hear people say this sometimes, but I don’t know what they mean. Is there part of Valve’s system that has a gambling mechanic I’ve just never engaged with?
Or is it one of their games that has gambling?
Because I’ve been using it for years as basically my sole gaming interface and haven’t seen any gambling.
bdonvr@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
At least the shit is all cosmetic not like EA sports games with their UT packs I guess. Low bar.
GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
LordGabn has to buy Aston Martin’s so how.
flamiera@kbin.melroy.org 2 weeks ago
Tim's strategy seems to be "Whatever Valve drops, we take because we feel Valve is missing out on something BIG! It'll make US look great!"
And while the sad truth of the matter could very well be a maybe, depending on how the pure-epic userbase are over there towards it, it still pales to everything Steam has been built to be.